Recap: SummerKnicks 109, SummerWizards 107
Evening, seedlings. In a wild, flustercuck of a finish that left me feeling moist, the Knicks finished Summer League with a 3-2 record after they took down the John Wall/JaVale McGee-less Wizards this late-afternoon. We saw missed free throws, clutch threes, overtime and a technical foul on Dan D'Antoni. Life's good. I feel good.
Jump over the moon for some incoherent observations.
Landry Fields, in what was the first sign that he'll lead the team in minutes this year, started the game and played like we've come to expect with 11 points, 3 offensive boards, an assist, a steal and a block. One interesting thing they had him do after Lester Hudson got off to a quick start was double Hudson after he crossed midcourt. The first time it happened, he forced a turnover and an easy basket. The second time, he got burned as his man cut to the basket and got an easy layup. We can forgive him though because he got a couple of huge tips-in (pause) in the Fourth and at one point failed an attempt to dunk on the entire Wizards organization. It can only be described as Landrified.
Bill Walker was effectively shut out of the paint most of the game though he could've bullied himself in more efficiently if he cut out his extraneous dribbling. Seriously, he was coming off a pick and spinning back over it after his man hedged. He was dribbling behind his back after screens. He was backing off. It was pretty frustrating. No big deal though because we know his strength lies in cutting and finishing. He also started the game missing his first two threes, making his next three and then missing his next two. Eleven points for Bully.
Toney Douglas again looked to defer to his teammates which is WTDD for people trying to find work in this league. Toney Douglas, for the children. He was making some mistakes like picking his dribble up early but I think that's more of a result of his rollers not being very good. Late in the Fourth though, he realized he needed to pull out the win and started knocking down threes, getting key steals and using that classic southern savvy we love to take a charge in OT. Of course, he also missed three straight free throws which would've sealed the game in regulation but it's Summer League. Who's counting? He finished with 19 points, 6 assists, 2 steals, 1 cameraman and 1 T-Mobile sign.
Leo Lyons - sorry - LEO LYONS had a monster of an offensive performance that makes me want to use his name as my alias in the club tonight. He scored 21 points and did it in a myriad of ways. He was the only Knick to consistently get in the paint. In the Second, he had two straight And-1's at the basket. He added a three, a couple of midrange jumpers, and a fastbreak dunk in the Fourth. Unfortunately, he also hurt his shoulder after trying a scoop shot on Hamady Ndiaye and had to sit out the rest of the game and ice it.
Jerome Jordan and Andy Rautins were essentially invisible.
Marcus Landry had a poor shooting performance (3-9) but he got to the line a lot (5-7) and scored 12 points. I bring it up because they kept zooming in on him before he stepped to the line and he just looked upset each time. Why the mean mug, bro?
Carlos Powell, who I love, had 1 TO and 1 foul. Why bring that up? Cause he ran the pick and roll to end the first half and rifled one of the strongest passes I've ever seen to the base of the basket.
Also, Jerome Randle of the of the Wizards is listed at 5'10" but I'm pretty sure he's 5'6".
I leave you with this quote from Clyde:
"1965 I started doing yoga. They thought I was saying 'yogurt'."
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Clyde
talked about the history of Rome during one of the games. The problem with the regular season is that he has to maintain a level of focus on the game at hand. He really needs to write a few books.
Landry Fields
May not be an expert at one specific skill but he is consistent and smart which makes him one hell of a ball player.
"As humans we strive for success but live with fear. If success was inevitable, fear cannot exist" Michael Kelley
Scottie Pippen/Grant Hill anyone?
Never underestimate the power of a neck brace and wheelchair. In Donnie Walsh I trust!
i'm liking my original shane battier comparison more and more though
"Why does green mean that's the color green? Why can't you say another word for green being green? Know what i'm saying?" - Stephon
"Anyway, you should check out the movie "Black and White," which actually stars Allan Houston. It’s not a comedy, but rather a really serious and emotional movie." - Wilson Chandler
by ny knickerbocker on Jul 18, 2010 4:58 AM EDT up reply actions
What a game. Definitely above average for Summer League.
Thoughts on Jordan and Rautins (who didn’t have a great summer league):
Jordan- He’s definitely a project, perhaps a very long project, but I think he’s pretty bust proof. I say this because he has great footwork, good mechanics, a soft touch, and solid basketball iq. Basically, if he can get bulked up and grow an attitude, he’ll be set. That’s encouraging because it’s usually the other way around. You have a guy that’s explosive, athletic, and strong, but he’s got no fundamentals or mechanics, and doesn’t have the discipline to learn them. Jordan is definitely not contributing anytime soon, but I’m confident he’s going to be in the NBA down the road.
Rautins- We all knew he could shoot. We figured he couldn’t do anything else. Then he showed up for Summer League playing defense, hustling, making slick passes, and encouraging his teammates, all while shooting horrifically. That’s called irony. Don’t worry guys. You may remember that a certain shooting guard named Toney Douglas shot poorly in Summer League last year, and we know how that story turned out. Rautins is a good shooter. That hasn’t changed. We should be glad that he showed us he can do other things too.
They will be for!
by StarksMiddleFinger on Jul 17, 2010 8:45 PM EDT reply actions
This is the only game I didnt get to finish.
I missed the second half So mad at myself!
"As humans we strive for success but live with fear. If success was inevitable, fear cannot exist" Michael Kelley
by MikeTheIntern on Jul 17, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotta catch the repeat at 1am
"As humans we strive for success but live with fear. If success was inevitable, fear cannot exist" Michael Kelley
by MikeTheIntern on Jul 17, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Best Clyde comment was talking about Clyde the 3rd who went to Penn
Then complaining that his son was “still in his pocket” in spite of the Ivy education
Also, if that’s the third, then who’s Clyde, Sr.?
Clyde Sr. is the one who possesses the dick out which Clyde Jr. came out of. And henceforth.
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 17, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
wait
pause. no, watch your mouth! no, i’m at a loss.
"Why does green mean that's the color green? Why can't you say another word for green being green? Know what i'm saying?" - Stephon
"Anyway, you should check out the movie "Black and White," which actually stars Allan Houston. It’s not a comedy, but rather a really serious and emotional movie." - Wilson Chandler
by ny knickerbocker on Jul 18, 2010 5:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Weird
My brother went to Penn with Clyde III. He must be about 44 now.
"Dishin' and swishin' in transition"
by Serious Garbage Time on Jul 18, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
rautins
made a bunch of really nice passes, and stays active in the passing lanes. the shooting is just a cold streak, or rough patch. so, i disagree with you assessment.
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Very Redick like.....
Rautins’ game reminds me of JJ Redick. Deadly shooter, plays decent D, pretty good passer.
by 90'sKnicksBruisers on Jul 19, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Deadly???
Please…I watched this guy for 4 years. His best year EVER was 40% from the field, his best after that was 38%. Not from 3-point range, but OVERALL.
And that was against zones and the biggest joke out of conf schedule and all at home…and from college 3-point lines.
So now that he shot 26% in the summer league against undrafted free agents we still keep hearing how ‘deadly’ he is? Wake the hell up, people. Take out the 4 or 5 layups he had and this guy shot under 20% on his ‘deadly’ shooting. There’s a reason why NOBODY ELSE had this guy on their draft boards.
also a surprising number on the internet that have access to NBA team's draft boards.
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 20, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
No more surprising...
Than the number of people who watch this guy shoot 26% with their own eyes but choose to believe what they read about him.
Democrats, right? I knew because rather than dispute 1 fact you chose to make fun of the poster, and use words like ‘delatore’ to do it. Hahaha.
And rather than believe your own eyes you just buy into the kumbaya, all is well propoganda.
As I said, I watched SU basketball for 20 years and this guy is the most overrated ever to come out of college. 26% against guys signed to fill out summer league rosters, 35% for his college career, but you go ahead and believe he’s a ‘sniper’.
And that’s his BEST attribute? Hahahahaha.
BTW...
Where in my post did I say I had access to NBA draft boards? Nice reply, just lie about what I said, that sure shows how strong your case is. (Had you actually made one).
Every GM after Rottens worked out said, “He’ll make a nice player”…“somewhere else”.
I was referring to about 8 mock drafts, ESPN ranking him the 86th best available player, and Yahoo ranking him 85th. Again, more facts that I let get in the way. I know I could ignore them, too, but that’s just me.
My guess is you are an SU grad?
you said nobody else had him on their draftboard.
talking about the Knicks, so ‘nobody else’ most likely means other NBA teams. So you must have access..or did you lie about that?
Mock drafts? You honestly think even the worst run NBA franchise runs off mock drafts that ESPN did?
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 20, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I would have stated this differently
but I agree with the sentiment that Rautins is definitely riding somewhat of an unwarranted reputation and everyone who assumes he’s going to be a knock-down shooter is really just being optimistic (nothing wrong with that). Guy only shot above 40% from 3 once in college and that was his senior season. He’s going to need to do that immediately in the pros with better defenders and a further arc. A pretty darn bad summer league does little to make me think he can do that.
And if we want to get into player comparisons, Rautins stacks up pretty poorly with 37% on 3s during college . Kyle Korver shot 45%, Jason Kapono 45%, Redick 40% (super-high-volume), Mo Almond 43%, and Daquan Cook 42%. I would argue that Rautins is significantly less talented in other facets of the game than all of these guys.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Jul 20, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Landry Fields
The stats you give are off: Fields had 2 assists, 1 steal, 0 blocks, and 14 points.
BTW, as you all know, he lead the Pac 10 in scoring in 2009-2010 and was second in rebounding. He is very solid, consistent, great leadership, smart, and extremely versatile. when he gets his 3 point shooting down, he’ll be a beasty 2 or 3.
No, the cameraman counts as 1 pt.
that was legit statistical mathematics
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jul 19, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Landry Fields is who Philadelphia thought
they were getting when they drafted Evan Turner
GREAT GAME
Good thing Wall and McGee didnt play though.
yeah, I wanted to see how Douglas could handle Wall's speed
cus seriously, that dude is lightning with sneakers on.
And well..it would be quite possible that Wall would dust Douglas too.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Jul 19, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Off-Topic
Has anyone else read the Fanhouse D-Wade article? I don’t want to make a mountain out of a molehill, but that World Trade comment is TERRIBLE. He was the one guy I liked out of this unholy trinity, but between bad interviews and this assumed spying, he’s slippin’.
even after the edit
he still referenced the world trade center when talking about losing in sports. i CANNOT WAIT till the heat come to msg. gonna be throwing some eggs at the bus.
for those that don't wanna look it up
ORIGINAL (MIS) QUOTE: “If we lose a couple in a row this season, it will be like the World Trade (Center) is coming down again.”
EDIT (CORRECT) QUOTE: “there’s going to be times when we lose 2-3 games in a row, and it seems like the world has crashed down. You all are going to make it seem like the World Trade is coming down again, but it’s not going to be nothing but a couple basketball games.”
Honestly not very much difference, still unfathomably insensitive.
holy shnikies
Heres to hoping this is the first of many PR blunders, miscues, stressed friendships, and playoff loses for the Miami Heat.
DECLARE
by total hermination on Jul 19, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
eh...
that’s really not so bad. Wade ain’t a NYer, and well…if anyone’s ever heard some of the stuff said “jokingly” about the WTC, they’d think nothing of Wade’s comment, at least the “correct(ed) one”.
Makes you wonder what the real quote is. The media can spin anything anyway they want…..
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 19, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
for real
in orlando they are spinning chris duhon and quentin richardson as better than jason williams and matt barnes. shit is critical.
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Yeah i agree. The corrected quote isn't a big deal
The point is how the media overblows EVERYTHING.
Shit, at the beginning of the current baseball season, David Ortiz started off his 1st 2 games 0-8… and a reporter asked him about his ‘slow start’ to theseason. IHATE the Red Sox, but there are damn 162 games to play and not hitting in the 1st TWO is not even remotely close to a slump, let alone a story.
So yeah, there is a huge magnifying glass on Miami, and if they DO go on a losing streak, ESPN will shit its diapers and go into a panic.
I have no problem with Wade’s comment. It isn’t insensitive and I am a NYer who personally knew people involved and affected that day.
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by Chris Child's Fist on Jul 19, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Well that was a fun Summer League
Great reporting & analysis from the P&T top brass & I really enjoyed the comments on the game threads.
So we’ve got about a month until the new schedule appears and then pre-season until finally the damn season proper which is 3 months away. So long to wait, so long…
EST +5 hours is hard work sometimes...
Dont forget about the national games that start soon. we got games involving Stat, Rautins, Mozgov and maybe Turiaf (haven’t heard about him playing) coming up
Are any of these televised?
Can’t wait to watch some bball again.

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