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Just Say No To Bad Contracts!


Hey, don't get me wrong.  Chris Paul is an amazing talent.  It would be awesome for him to play with the current Knicks roster.  But obviously it can't go down like that; some of our best young players would have to go.  But that isn't what really scares me about all of this stuff.  Honestly, we don't have a single bad contract right now, including Curry's, since it's expiring.  DW, the one request I have for you is to maintain that.  Don't trade for Emeka Okafor or James Posey.  Don't give up 2-4 good contracts for one amazing player and a crippling 10-15M tax in bad contracts over the next few years.

I understand.  Given what has happened at various points in recent years (Miami's big signings, Boston's summer transformation, LA getting Gasol for nothing), we are led to believe that contenders are built overnight.  But you have to be incredibly lucky for a situation like that to unfold.  What is FAR more common is to slowly build a contender with young talent / good contracts over 2-3 years.  Think about the way San Antonio built their dynasty, or the 90's Bulls, or any number of past champions.  It took a little time, but it tends to last longer and allow for continued growth instead of being stuck with certain underperforming, overpaid players for many years.

So again, Chris Paul is decidedly awesome.  But entering a bidding war for one of the premiere talents in the league will most likely gut us.  As we have seen this offseason, it is actually much more effective to build your team through FA signings and the draft.  When a trade offer comes along that is an absolute steal (like Pau, KG, or even the recent D-Lee S&T, where we could have gotten nothing for him), you make it.  This New Orleans situation is not one of those instances.  One thing I hope is that a certain Denver forward doesn't do the same thing, because it will cause the same problem if he wants to come to NY.  I'm 1000% sure that it would be better to get a player like that through a signing where you don't have to give up half of your talent.

Here's the beauty of our current situation: if we keep the team as is, and then make a major FA signing next summer, we can not only have Amare plus the next guy, but the rest of our current roster as well.  With an average age of 23.75 years, that means we can continue to grow as a team over the life of Amare's deal by re-signing said players and going over the cap to do so.  If you trade half of those talented players away for a guy like Chris Paul, there will be no possibility for internal player development and we will be maxed out by players like Okafor and Posey.  Those guys aren't getting any better.  The Spurs thrived because they developed younger, cheaper talent within the organization around franchise players like Duncan and Robinson.  That way, when Robinson retired, Ginobili and Parker were there to improve and keep the team in contention.  This is the path, fellas.  Stick to the path.

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*single tear

sounds like a plan

"Game Knows Game"

by Ray Smuckles on Jul 24, 2010 6:55 PM EDT reply actions  

i should hope so

and yet wonder why

"Why does green mean that's the color green? Why can't you say another word for green being green? Know what i'm saying?" - Stephon

"Anyway, you should check out the movie "Black and White," which actually stars Allan Houston. It’s not a comedy, but rather a really serious and emotional movie." - Wilson Chandler

by ny knickerbocker on Jul 24, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bravo.

"He's the straw that makes the drink go."

by Thelonious Dunk on Jul 24, 2010 8:03 PM EDT reply actions  

I REALLY

Wanna see these ex warriors play. If we give them away and they (more likely AR) become stars I would get heated. We have to be very very careful what we wish for.

"As humans we strive for success but live with fear. If success was inevitable, fear cannot exist" Michael Kelley

by MikeTheIntern on Jul 24, 2010 9:26 PM EDT reply actions  

precisely

sometimes you need to count your chickens even before they hatch. particularly if you’ve got a lot of eggs.

"Why does green mean that's the color green? Why can't you say another word for green being green? Know what i'm saying?" - Stephon

"Anyway, you should check out the movie "Black and White," which actually stars Allan Houston. It’s not a comedy, but rather a really serious and emotional movie." - Wilson Chandler

by ny knickerbocker on Jul 24, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kudos

In Donnie we Trust

by Mr. 2 on Jul 24, 2010 9:57 PM EDT reply actions  

that goes without saying

"Why does green mean that's the color green? Why can't you say another word for green being green? Know what i'm saying?" - Stephon

"Anyway, you should check out the movie "Black and White," which actually stars Allan Houston. It’s not a comedy, but rather a really serious and emotional movie." - Wilson Chandler

by ny knickerbocker on Jul 24, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I sort of agree but

I dont think Okafor is a complete stiff. He led the whole fuckin league in blocked shots, double doubles and rebounding last year. He might be overpaid, but not as much as some people make out.I doubt Donnie will gut the team after a splendid summer of GMing, and no one will blame him if he stands pat.
However, how can we pass up possibly the greatest pure point guard of all time? This guy is better than was our beloved Isiah who didn’t have Paul’s range. OK try to keep either Gallo or Randolph and Amare is off the table, but after that I think everyone else should be up for grabs and if it ends up that sadly both Gallo and Randolph go, well “Hasta La Vista Baby”.

by bobzillla on Jul 25, 2010 1:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Okafor

averaged 10pts 9 rbds and 1.5 blocks.

Them aint league leading #s.

"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy

by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Jul 25, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea

where on earth did you come up witht his nonsense?

twitter.com/aighttho
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by stingy d on Jul 26, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

click on those links, ace

25th in double-doubles dwight howard nearly tripled him.

11th in blocks howard again is the actual player in first averaging 1.5 more than okafor, and 101 more in totals.

shall we go to rebounds, or can i make you eat it yet? nba.com messed up on his player profile page. i think i will send them a message, so that you can stop thinking outside this variety of box.

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by stingy d on Jul 26, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

sonned!

"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy

by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Jul 26, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ouch...

Sad to see a man get owned that badly.

by ap3604 on Aug 2, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're talking about dwight howard

twitter.com/aighttho
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by stingy d on Jul 26, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

its says that he's #1 in all those categories

but if you click on it, he’s nowhere close. Howard had over 1000 rebounds, Okafor over 700. And on blocks, he averaged 1.6/game, which looked like 15th in the NBA.

Go New York Go!

by FreeBradshaw on Jul 26, 2010 6:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

without checking the link

a small amount of knowledge in the NBA will tell you that you are wrong.

I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.

by gbaked on Jul 29, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

i also don't think okafor is a complete stiff.

but the rankings section on the nba page you linked is actually wrong. click the link to “blocks” on the top right of that section. even if you don’t account for games played, okafor is 11th in the league. this goes for other stuff, as well. it’s a typo.

by Seth on Jul 26, 2010 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

You have to consider the production you get from Okafor vs what you would get for the money you could give to others. And we’re not just talking money Dolan can Dole out, we’re talking about crippling our ability to do a straight sign for any player (not counting the MLE).

by paxon on Jul 26, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chris Paul needs to play a lot more years to be considered the "greatest" anything.

First off, he needs championship rings to be talked above Isiah Thomas and other Hall of Fame PGs. If he DOESN’T end up with a ring, John Stockton retains the title of greatest PURE PG ever. Check the assists, steals, fg% and games played cats, my friend. Stockton is light years ahead in this race.

"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."

by Chris Child's Fist on Jul 26, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

He's only been in the league a few years

Paul’s best year is already better than any other PG’s cept for maybe Magic’s 88-89 year. It’s not that outlandish to think he might finish as the greatest ever if his body holds up.

"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy

by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Jul 26, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s still an awful lot of speculating at this point. I’d hands-down take prime Stockton just to name one over Paul. Paul has shown all sorts of brilliance in his short career but he’s gotta do more and remain doing more before we get that crazy.

by paxon on Jul 26, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its not outlandish at all.

But plenty of guys have amazing years. Its a matter of whether you can sustain it longterm or not.

"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."

by Chris Child's Fist on Jul 27, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

im perfectly allright with anybody going except for gallo and ar. plus i dont want okafor.

if they force us okafor we should insist on them giving us draft picks since the next few offseasons would be very quiet for us in terms of free agency.

by karamjitm9090 on Jul 25, 2010 4:37 PM EDT reply actions  

True

I like this team the way it is….We have depth in our bench and players that is capable to play together as 1!!!!

by NYKFan4Life on Jul 25, 2010 5:50 PM EDT reply actions  

if chris paul goes to orlando

with the current depth they have on that team and dwight howard, say goodbye to any chance of contending for a championship between the combination of miami and orlando. We won’t sniff the eastern conference finals for 7 years if we dont somehow get carmelo.

by James Angelo on Jul 25, 2010 6:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Remeber that with his current contract,

he’d only be with them for 2 years, which is completely fine.

If Carmelo comes to the Knicks after 2010-2011 season, CP3 would probably be next in line after the 2011-12 season.

I’d want DW to stay away from trading for CP3 which would require the Knicks to take on Okafor’s contract and not having a shot at Melo after this upcoming season. But yes. Not only would that take the Knicks out of the Melo’s sweepstakes, but they’d have to give up someone like AR or Gallinari(or both) who the Knicks should hold on to to make the Knicks look like a great option for Melo.

Summary: Stay away from CP3 until free agency.

by ultimate913 on Jul 25, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Call me crazy

but I disagree with you. The Magic had problems last year – and point guard wasn’t really one of their problems. Yes, Paul is no doubt an upgrade over Jameer Nelson, but what about the other three positions on the court? What about the teamwide defensive attitude that every championship team seems to need? Will Paul magically bring that?

Yes, a Paul/Howard combo is a championship contender, no doubt. But a great defensive team can beat them in a 7 game series if they don’t have the right guys at the other three positions.

by fuhry on Jul 26, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

eh

call me crazy, but i think jameer nelson fuggin blows. and if the magic had a real playmaker, instead of a funny little bowling ball, i gotta believe what james is saying.

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by stingy d on Jul 26, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

except for the us getting melo part.

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by stingy d on Jul 26, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

nah youre not crazy

Jameer Nelson is wack. Dude can only drive and kick. Give them a purer PG and Howard and Lewis’ difficulties consistently creating their own shots are much less pronounced.

"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy

by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Aug 2, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're probably right about Nelson

I think the Magic would have rings right now if that dude stays on the bench and they just let Rafer run it.

by fuhry on Jul 26, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

wamp

for serious, rafer was such a steady presence for them, and they (magic/nelson) shat the bed, didn’t they?

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by stingy d on Jul 26, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

for real

rafer would have probably put a hand in derek fisher’s face too

"Game Knows Game"

by Ray Smuckles on Jul 27, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

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