The Anthony Randolph Study
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Although losing David Lee was painful for most Knick fans, New Yorkers should feel lucky that they received something in return. Another team could have signed Lee to a contract without compensating the Knicks. Instead New York got three players to fill useful positions. Ronny Turiaf should give New York a backup center that blocks shots. Kelenna Azubuike will provide outside shooting and defense at shooting guard. Both of these fill weaknesses at positions the team has had over the last few years. continue reading more :
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Dude says Randolph and Eddy Curry are similar in that they are young bigs
coming to the Knicks.
But AR is the anti-Curry in that he does things that you MUST DO NATURALLY AS A BIG, you don’t generally become better at them, and that is rebounding and blocked shots!
His scoring will come, or even if it doesn’t the guy can still finish cuz he’s 7ft with 9ft arms.
Josh Smith is a comparison I’m hearing, and that’s not a stretch in the least bit. I don’t think there’s any question he can be Josh Smith, right now. And as long as he doesn’t shoot 3pters when he really should not be like Smith…he’ll be better.
The Garnett stuff may be, but well…similar size and KG wasn’t K G when he was 21 years old either. Like the article said, KG made the jump when he was 21 years old.
I’ll lay out another comparison: DAVID LEE. For real, Lee was basically a pogo stick that loved to run the floor and rebound when he was drafted by the Knicks….remember that?
Randolph is an excellent rebounder already, but does things like play defense and block shots and handle the rock and run and shoot, yes…shoot, midrange J’s better then Lee could even by his 3rd year in the league.
So if we get a guy who’s at worst like Josh Smith, at best like a KG with handles, and David Lee with freakish measurables (pause)…all wrapped up into one Anthony Randolph….word.
Go New York Go!
I agree with you
i see this to be a break out year for AR, plus Felton. we already know the damage stat city can do. feltons 5th year in the league, same as nate robinson if im not mistaken. and we know felton is a pure point guard, who matured greatly. from watching all the you tube footage on AR I see D-wade, lebron, durant, bosh, amarie, & j-smove in his style and game play. his confidence is strongly high. and he will be the next superstar.
Those are the two guys I’d peg as having breakout years too. I have a hard time believing both won’t improve and fit in well.
The great thing is that even if they don’t “breakout” in strict terms of individual development, their career histories as is would be enough to contribute positively to the team, especially with their talents fitting in so well.
Can i get an amen?!?
"He's the straw that makes the drink go."
by Thelonious Dunk on Jul 26, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
josh smith + 4 inches
at 1/5 the price. Basically that’s the worst case scenario, barring injury. Much love to David Lee and everything but what the fuck were the Warriors smoking?!
It’s still impossible to say how a specific individual will fare and whether he will follow the standard curve, but the standard curve illustrated in the article goes a long way towards not worrying about his current stage of offensive development. Which allows us to focus on all his readily apparent qualities, and I’m not even talking potential. He can rebound, block, and steal very well already. Potential to improve all over the place, especially in scoring efficiency and hopefully in defensive tenacity (if the team as a unit dedicates itself to this, he should follow suit).
I’m not gonna bust out ridiculous projections of who he could end up being like or how high his ceiling is, but where he’s at now is going to be a big help for the team, and where he could be is very encouraging.
good interviews/articles about AR4
in the NYT: http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/26/randolph-sees-opportunity-in-knicks-system/
and WSJ: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703700904575391250591221386.html#articleTabs%3Darticle
So he has definitely gained 20 lbs of muscle this summer, woo hoo. It sounds like, Don Nelson issues aside (and who doesn’t have those?), he has a good head on his shoulders. Also freakishly long arms attached to those shoulders.
The problem with Anthony R is he has ZERO Basketball Ball IQ.
He is uber athletic but that is it. He will look great one minute and have a brain fart the next. As they say rebounders are born. Well even more so, you are born with smarts, you don’t grow and become smart, and unfortunately Anthony is lacking the brain matter to be a star.
Don Nelson gave him as long a leash as any coach ever will. Afterall, Nellie was th one who invented the Point forward position in Milwaukee years ago. If there was ever a coach who was gonna let a 6’11" player run the team it was Nellie. But unfortuntely for Anthony he does not have the mental faculites to be that player.
As a fan you will wonder why is he on the bench and not playing. You will tend to blame D’Antoni. Put him in coach he is fun to watch. Unfortunatley " fun to watch" does not win games. If you want to play winning basketball it will not be with Anthony R playing serious minutes, because this is a game played with the brain as much as the body.
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by Skeptic Con Urquel on Jul 27, 2010 12:31 PM EDT reply actions
Sounds like you're trying to rationalize Nellie's mishandling of him.
Even with his mistakes, Randolph deserved significantly more playing time than most guys on your team. I remember him consistently getting yanked in favor of Mikki Moore. I’m sure Mikki Moore sets better picks or whatever, but Randolph’s per minute production was at least twice as good. It’s too bad Don Nelson died six years ago. He never would have let that happen.
Ripping the “mental faculties” of a 20 year old kid with one year of college ball and insisting that he will never learn sounds like some sour-ass grapes to me. I’m sure you’ve done rigorous studies of his brain capacity and were able to watch him play extended minutes to determine his ceiling, but we’ll be the judge of what we have now, thanks.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Jul 27, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for the perspective
No, I mean, really. It seems like Nellie was upset that he didn’t act more like a regular power forward… but as you said, that seems unlike Nellie. Actually, Nellie is kind of hard to figure out. It seems like AR needs motivation to really get after rebounds and that may be the root of what Nellie’s problem was. I can understand that.
I hope D’antoni tells him to bring up the ball himself when he rebounds it. Actually, I can really imagine that happening – D’antoni telling Felton to head up the court when AR gets a bound, rather than sprinting back to collect the ball.
Hope springs eternal. Even if he’s a guy that looks great losing a game and goes into D’antoni’s doghouse, I’m still confident the Knicks will be good. Randolph’s upside is big – I’ll take the chance. I know what you are saying about being born with smarts, but I also think that the guy’s only 21 and there’s still a possibility that he hasn’t yet learned what he needs to learn.
He played all 5 positions in high school. He admitted that he was bad until he was a junior. As a freshman in college he wasn’t very good either and projected to be Jared Jeffries. As a first year player he played better than expected, and was even better the next year. He’s still very young, improving each year, and will make fewer mistakes as he becomes more comfortable.
A floor for Anthony Randolph is Tyrus Thomas, who has very similar numbers to Anthony Randolph, but a bit worse across the board. He’s improved each year as well, and he definitely helped the Bobcats win games.
I beleive Randolph already floored Tyrus Thomas once...
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Jul 27, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I haven't heard much of all a that (aside from teh fun to watch part)
on AR. Seems that Nellie more so tried to give him a defined role instead of letting him just use his natural skill.
Pringles ain’t gonna do that. There’s only one position that he requires that, and that’s the PG spot…which AR isn’t. All 4 others spots, basically…do whatever the hell you want. Just score the ball.
If AR can shoot and doesn’t just run and chuck….he’s not going to the bench. If he can handle the rock, well..Pringles most likely will let em, unless it costs the team repeatedly.
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 27, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree especially that last part
Pringles will not care is Randolph grabs a rebound and pushes the ball up the court. As long as he pushes it and doesn’t just jog up. If Randolph is doing that repeatedly that means he is also rebounding repeatedly! So Pringles will not mind, if if Randolph throws a couple in the front row.
by Robert Currence on Jul 27, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
the idea that somone who just turned 21
could have no capacity for becoming a more sophisticated basketball player, no ability to learn how to channel his immense physical gifts… that would be incredibly depressing if it weren’t so highly unlikely.
I suppose it’s possible for a someone to be so monumentally stupid and stubborn that by the time they can legally buy a beer they have already maxed out their potential for learning and growth. I suppose it’s also possible that 19/20 year old kids are still learning, their bodies are still growing, and having a booze-soaked blowhard yank their minutes around without explanation or any kind of clear developmental direction probably doesn’t help matters!
So unless you’re rolling with brain scans that show the kid is a certifiable dumbass, I’m going to go with HA HA, HE’S OURS NOW BITCH.
by flossy on Jul 27, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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That’s pretty funny. Yeah, I mean, I totally agree with a 20 year old having room for improvement. In fact, I think guys can keep improving and one of the reasons a lot of players are still really good into their mid to late thirties is that they continue to learn and refine their games which balances out the physical decline.
The question is whether the player wants to improve and sees the need to improve. Some skills are harder to learn than others – for example, clutch play – even defense seems to be a thing that’s difficult to learn. Stuff like ball handling and shooting, and shot selection – these things are all learnable.
The issue often is whether the player can do enough things on the court – right now- to merit the coach playing him and allowing him to learn and gain skills through experience. I remember when Ron Artest came up he could defend so well that he got playing time. With that playing time, he was able to develop an offensive game.
Similar story with David Lee – he rebounded well and that kept him on the court and he developed an offensive game. I think Randolph needs to dominate the boards and help the Knicks that way in order to get the PT to develop the rest of his game. I think that’s the way Nellie felt too.
Basketball IQ is actually something that is developed
Given his background it is understandable, however if he is provided some stability and guidance, it seems that the kid is willing to learn and wants to get better, so I would say you’ll see the basketball IQ come up a bit.
by Robert Currence on Jul 27, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
right
Well even more so, you are born with smarts, you don’t grow and become smart, and unfortunately Anthony is lacking the brain matter to be a star.
All those colleges and universities are just a big scam. You cant become smarter at a subject then you already are. The brain just stops learning how to understand new things after the age of 21.
I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.
Ok guys, I'll check back after 20 games or so.
There was a reason he was drafted in the middle of the first round and not a high lottery pick. I too was very excited about him, but his lack of BB IQ is noticable very quickly. D’Antoni is gonna pull his hair out at the lame brain plays. Good luck!
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yea...he was 185lbs.
he was gonna go at #6 if he was bigger then that.
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 27, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha
Instead, we let you guys draft him and deal with his first two developmental years, then we get him toward the productive end of his rookie contract. Pretty sweet deal for the Knicks, eh?
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Jul 27, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Pringles has patience issues but it is funny
With guys he is excited about he tends to be very patient. Leandro Barbosa made a ton of bonehead plays back in his days coaching him in PHX, and D’Atnoni would live with it, because he knew if he kept Barbosa’a head up he could also do some exciting things. I am sure that Pringles and crew already know that this young fella is gonna make some mistakes, but that is why they are there to coach him up. The fact is athletically this guy is a thoroughbred and this system his legs will run him into points and rebounds depsite his bb IQ.
by Robert Currence on Jul 27, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont think its that funny
Mike D does not like to waste his time.
I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.
TRue
he was drafted mid 1st not top 8. Big deal. He was pu putt till later in his jr year in high school. With one year of college ball he already shot up to 14 overall pick. OVERALL.. His lack of court IQ is as expected for a guy who had very little exposure to basketball. But referring to what someone wrote above.. iq is more than normal for players to enhance as they practice and put time into their game.
Being teh 14th pick expectations were there for him to be game ready. But he wasnt. This was the issue in GS. But For knicks mgm to trade for this guy means they know this and more. So he isnt expected to be great from day 1. He is still adding weight to his frame and fascets to his game. IQ can grow with time.
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
it will probably help
to have amar’e stoudemire in front of you on the depth chart. battling every day in practice. call me crazy.
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or play the most help defense
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by Ray Smuckles on Jul 28, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
yep
imagine if curry was 100 % remember curry averaged 20+ points a night and 10+ bounds. but him and stoudemire.
This is the thinking
that got us E City and Z Bo
the amazing thing about Curry is that most guys with stupid post moves have great footwork, which also helps them on the defensive end. he never applied his footwork to gain defensive position, never got any lift, never wanted to do anything except score. the only rebounds he got were without leaving his feet-the ball literally fell into his arms. Can anyone remember him even blocking a shot, or hammering someone who came into the lane?
he always boxed out to get great position
at the head of the buffet line
he is making his way to 10 warrents in a season...
so thats something.
I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.
ok..
crazy?
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do

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