Knowledge Reel + Points of Discussion
by ny knickerbocker on Jul 27, 2010 3:38 AM EDT
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PrintHey, you. You're not even 20, right? Do you remember what it's like for the Knicks to bust shit up? If you don't, here are the clips as evidence. EVIDENCE.
To be followed by a discussion of current events. Knick-related.
In the meantime, however, this is the only Bible that should be in school. Check it.
Startin' it with some thick ass gangsta shit. MASE!
Let's take it back a step, for a clip. 0:17 - 0:23 are a delight.
The only King that NYC will ever need, believe me:
90's again, everyone. It's time for some Starks. His opening shot is all you need to know.
Finally, this may be my last truly amazing memory as a Knick fan:
Soak those moments in for a second, even if you've seen em before.
Now let's think about what we've got. I've already laid out my thoughts regarding each individual Knick going into this season in another fanpost, but I haven't really put together my thoughts on the team as a whole until now.
POINT NUMBER ONE: First of all, let's consider one major point: at each position, we are two deep in players that Knicks fans want to see on the floor.
PG: Felton, Douglas
SG: Azubuike, Walker
SF: Gallo, Chandler
PF: Amare, Randolph
C: Turiaf, Mozgov
If you think Landry Fields, for one, has a better shot at breaking the top-10 than Mozgov, say, then just bump up the top half of those players.
Is that not awesome??!!! We no longer have to deal with walking expiring contracts, overpaid wanna-be's, or Qyntel Woods. Don't get me wrong, I love Qyntel. But this is a powerful moment in recent Knicks history.
POINT NUMBER TWO: We have defenders on the roster who also contribute on offense. Felton, Douglas, Azubuike, Chandler, Randolph, Turiaf. Each of these players can be considered a plus defender. Gallo, Amare, and Walker have also shown flashes of doing well at that end. Gallo's desire to guard the other team's star at the end of last season is evidence of his particular development.
In any case, the Knicks (as currently constructed) are arguably better on the defensive end than any team D'Antoni has had in his career. It's a team that can get up and down extremely quickly, with numerous players capable of defending multiple positions on the break.
POINT NUMBER THREE: The average age of our current roster is 23.75. THERE IS NO NEED TO PANIC. Next year, if we keep everyone, the average age will still be under 25. Players peak around 27-29. We have a lot of solid young chips on our roster, two of which (Gallo and Randolph) are 21. I don't want to see half of these guys go in a trade for anyone. I'd MUCH rather see these guys re-signed to large contracts after we add another major FA next summer. Which is totally legitimate, possible, and the best way to build a long term contender. You get 2-3 centerpieces and build around them as early as possible. We may already have 2-3 centerpieces in Amare, Gallo, and Randolph, and could possibly add a surer thing next summer. Why tweak now? I'm going to repeat my past mantra: Say no to bad contracts.
And yeah drugs are fine. Comments!
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As a Knicks fan...
It hurts that we couldn’t win a chip with that early to mid 90’s team. Damn I loved that team.
P.S. Every time I see Mase in that heat uni, I die a little inside.
In Donnie we trust.
mason was my guy
all time!
but yea, i’ m finally happy with everybody on the team. i’m sure that will change when i watch mozeltov brick free throws, but maybe he has a silken touch.
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I remember the 90s teams. In 5th grade, Hubert Davis was my favorite because 3 pointers are so cool.
You said that we like every guy on the team, but I don’t think things will stay that way. Most guys were excited when we got Marbury, Zach Randolph, Steve Francis, and others. Who will be the first to be hated like Al Harrington, Larry Hughes, and Chris Duhon last year?
good question
but i honestly can’t see it with any of these players. Maybe Randolph if his attitude waivers, or Bully or Chandler if they’re upset about their playing time, but Walker can’t complain considering his history, and Silent Will literally can’t complain; it’s impossible.
Duhon and Harrington were good character guys, but they were lousy players. Do we have that combo in anyone this year? Have to wait and see. And im not counting curry as a player until he actually sees court time, which realistically may not happen this year.
That Starks video was amazingly cool, but yet very sad.
"Game Knows Game"
by Ray Smuckles on Jul 27, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
hmmm...
For some reason, I think it’ll be Felton and Amare cuz we expect a lot out of them. Amare makes big bucks, so that usually means big hate. Suns fans will say he has his clunkers. And Bobcats fans will say Felton can be a bonehead at times.
Even still…we’re gonna hate Amare? Felton worked around his supposed problems with the Demon coach, so I’d think he could work out anything he’d have with Pringles.
Anthony Randolph is another one who may be, especially cuz his last name is Randolph. Tho the dude was 20 years old…of course he’s gonna be inconsistent.
I dunno really. I kind don’t really see it. Hughes, Marbury and Z-Bo were rotten eggs before they got here. Francis was a shell of himself. Harrington was never really wanted here anyway, Duhon was basically supposed to be a backup (which he wouldn’t be bad at actually) but was a starter.
I kinda think that era is over with. There’s no assholes on the roster who’ve been cancers before in their careers. All those guys you mentioned…were.
Randolph’s been called the most talented big since Eddy Curry brought here…but we didn’t give up 2 first rounders and a gigantic contract to AR, so I don’t see that going up in flames like that either.
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 27, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
It all depends on how many games they win. You think Memphis complains about Zach Randolph now that the team wins? If the Knicks don’t win, the big names will get the blame first. “Why can’t Amar’e play tough D?!” “Felton can’t shoot!” The higher the expectations, the more we’d be let down. But we’d always support overachievers who play hard, like Anthony Mason and John Starks.
2 years ago, the Knicks started the season with Lee, Crawford, and Randolph. Crawford still took wild shots, Zach still didn’t pass the ball. But the Knicks started out very well, before the trades. Fans were excited. Now that they’re both on good teams, they’re both loved again. Winning and salary are pretty much all that matters. If Toney Douglas or Gallinari made 8 million a year on a losing team, we’d hate everything about them.
If the fans dog this team over wins it’ll be a shame, unless they just completely shit the bed. We may have high hopes, but we shouldn’t have high expectations just yet. This is YEAR 1 of a rebuild, best way to look at it.
I agree with what was said above, if anyone will draw the fans ire it’ll prolly be Randolph if he has attitude problems, or a guy like Walker or Chandler who may see their minutes dissipate. But I think the chances of them being major problems are very low imo.
i'm gonna hate felton
but its only because of that stupid spin.
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Hell yeah...I also liked Hubert Davis.
His B-ball shot release form is close to perfection as it gets.
My earliest Knick experiences were the Spree/Houston teams
and the ‘99 Heat series. Unless you count the scene in Space Jam when the Pre-Monstars steal Ewing’s soul. That shit got me hooked on NYK.
"He's the straw that makes the drink go."
by Thelonious Dunk on Jul 27, 2010 2:22 PM EDT reply actions
Mine were of the very early 90’s team, but I was really little at the time (born in 84). Each year in that era I got to see and understand more and more, by the time of the Spree/Houston team I was definitely in a position to really appreciate what was going on and put a better context on the team.
I also watched a lot of college hoops for the first time in Camby’s last year and he became my favorite player that season, so I lovin it when they made that move for him.
John Starks
Played with so much heart.
We need a player like him again.
I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.
felton
definitely sounds like he can play the part. The way he was talking about being a warrior in his media day got me really excited for someone who will play gritty and do everything he needs to do to help his team win. Im not saying he will be like that, im just hoping that he will
Lovin this post, I am a sucker for glory days footage from all my favorite teams. The following analysis is all stuff I agree with. This team can never be as rough neck as the 90’s Knicks, not with the way the league is now, but they have the potential to be a tough defensive team while playing a high tempo. If D’Antoni can manage that then it is all gravy.
Anyone remember Rolando Blackman and his crazy jumpshot mechanics
He was great, as well as “Hand Check” Harper. I like Hubie and Gerald Wilkins was a favorite of mine growing up
Forgot about Blackman...
the Knicks had Rolando Blackman and Renaldo Balkman, or did they just
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 28, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Or Chris Dudley, Our One-time BLOCKING Machine
He blocked more elbows with his nose than should be humanly possible
I liked when he threw that ball at Shaq
Then later looped the footage for 60 seconds as a campaign commercial
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