Let's be patient with Anthony Randolph.
by Seth on Jul 28, 2010 8:54 AM EDT
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This goes for everybody, including myself. When the Knicks managed to grab Anthony Randolph in the David Lee trade, I slathered myself head-to-toe with shea butter and robbed a bagel shop with a pickaxe. I only do that when I'm really happy, y'all. Randolph's an absolutely electrifying young talent who's capable of so much but only beginning to realize his titanic abilities. I urge everyone to be as excited as I am about Randolph's potential, but suggest that we all take a step back and remember what we're looking at. Brian Chung, writing at SB Nation Bay Area, is familiar with Randolph and tempers our expectations a little bit (via SBN NY).
Maybe nervous about when his next minutes were going to be, Randolph looked more awkward than the "finesse" player his high school coach sees in him. Randolph was a terrible finisher in traffic, often times trying to barrel over opposing big men. Either that or his poor footwork on the block led to many travel calls or shots where he too often was sprawled on the floor with his legs and torso in a pretzel. Judging by those moves, you wondered if he had two left feet.
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His ball-handling, while seemingly good for a big man in transition, is loosey-goosey and erratic when he's actually challenged. As mentioned earlier, he has a limited skill-set on the block or from the perimeter. In one game that Atma Brother #1 (of Golden State of Mind) and I watched at the Oracle Arena, we counted 4 times (in one half) where he ended up flailing on the floor, with the ball thrown up erratically trying to initiate his own offense from within 5 feet of the hoop and beyond.
Now, don't be discouraged. This isn't to say that Randolph isn't talented and won't become a star. I think both are true. This is only to remind us that, for all of his skills and arms and legs, Anthony is the Knicks' youngest player (seriously!) and is going to make mistakes. Lots of them. At this point in this particular player's career, we can still expect a lot of immaturity. Shit, he's younger than me, and I sometimes lie on my back and eat snacks off my tummy "like an otter". The word on Randolph has always been of the "flashes of brilliance, streaks of silliness" variety, and we should accept that as the season approaches. I'm all for enthusiasm, but I don't want us to sour as a fanbase when Randolph stumbles or struggles. Be excited, but also remember to be very, very patient with Anthony. Hopefully, the Knicks will do the same.
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Well...the opinions of these sports writers in the papers
usually ain’t the opinions of fans. Pretty sure most of us at P&T know AR is a bit raw right now, lots of potential but raw.
Maybe it takes someone who’s not in the Bay to realize that Don Nelson is insane? I dunno…
The dude’s young, so of course he’s gonna be inconsistent, no need to caution anyone about that. Maybe he’s just feeding everyone a line, but all he’s done this offseason is gain 20lbs and talk non-stop about improving his jumper, I believe he said its “1000x” better then it was before.
Even if its more like 800x better, that just means he’s more confident in it. Confidence + young player + (limitless potential x π) = start realizing potential.
Change of scenery, opportunity..all other things that can help.
Its seems the Dubs fans who’re tempering optimism are doing so by talking about LAST YEAR. Well…sorry, that’s last year. Maybe he’s still the same dude, but young players who have this sort of talent (and you’z all can’t deny, the kid has talent) generally take another step or 2 in some direction in their 3rd season. Something generally clicks.
Go New York Go!
AR will be fine
Most of the mainstream Bay Area media on KNBR and Comcast ripped Nelly for jerking this kid around like a horny teenager ::::Pause:::: In all honesty I think we got ourselves a steal in that David Lee trade, most of the Warriors fans I know out here were pissed the Randolph was included in the deal, not to mention being pissed about Lee’s new contract.
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by Rohpuri on Jul 28, 2010 9:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
let's just say
I am geeked that it will be Anthony Randolph making me shake me head a few times per game instead of, oh, I don’t know… Al Harrington? I have a feeling he will more than make up for youthful brain farts by regularly making me spit my beer all over my living room, with glee.
But seriously though, lets assume the following:
—He stays healthy
—He has gained some muscle
—He has matured, even a little bit
—D’Antoni will give him at least 30 min/game if not start him
What should we expect from AR4? Something close to his per-36 numbers from last year, which were like 18pts /11 rebs /2 ast/2 st /2 blks?* That seems way too good to be true, but then again… if anyone has the tools to put up a line like that it’s him, right? And that’s assuming his jumper has not, in fact, gotten any better. If he can even get close to that kind of production I can live some bad plays and turnovers. To put it mildly.
*something like that. I am too lazy to look it up right now
by flossy on Jul 28, 2010 9:52 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
word.
when a baby shits its pants, its cute and you expect better of it. When a grown man shits his pants its nasty, although some such as myself us it as a projectile at oncoming traffic.
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 28, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You've also eaten snacks of my tummy
like a cherub.
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I've been thinking along these lines too
Don Nelson is kind of batshit crazy….. but he’s not stupid. Remember, he was pretty smart about Al Harrington. He’s even worse at managing his players than D’antoni is, no doubt, but Nellie saw the holes in Al’s game and I’m sure he saw the holes in Randolph’s game too.
Nellie told Randolph he should concentrate on rebounding – that’s probably because that’s one of the only things that AR did well consistently. For a big man that doesn’t shoot from the outside much, his shooting percentage is very low.
I think as a player he has that problem of trying to do things he can’t quite do yet. He has to make better decisions about what he does with the ball when he gets it.
The extra muscle will help, I think, as will work on his shots and handle. And having a stable, veteran presence at the point will help him too, I think.
I don’t think D’antoni is going to play him 30 minutes a game because D’antoni doesn’t like to let young players make a bunch of learning mistakes on the floor. D’antoni will not leave an inefficient player on the floor if he has a better option. But I think Randolph’s rebounding and shot blocking and ability to run the floor will keep him in games. As the season goes on and he gets a better idea of how he can succeed out there, I bet we see his minutes increase.
I think Amar'e
is going to be just as important a veteran influence to AR as Felton will be.
While we are a young team, we are also a team with veteran players. Felton and Amar’e are both our team leaders and our most decorated players. Golden State had none of that. It appears (and this is from someone with no clue) that it was Nelson vs. Players over on the West coast. We had a little of that here last year, but if you have noticed, all of those guys are gone.
I am more worried about our young new player having a little too much fun in the City that never sleeps then I am anything else. IMO, one of the hardest things about living in NYC is knowing when to stay in and pass up the party. I have known a lot of people who cant hack in here, and its not because they were not smart. Most of the time its because they focused on the afterparty too much, and failed at their job…
I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.
you don't think he'll get 30 mpg?
Obviously it depends on how he plays in camp and adjusts to his new teammates. But at this point if he isn’t worth 30 mpg I don’t see who is (aside from Amar’e). To my mind Randolph and Gallo are the two guys right behind Stat who have the ability to be game-changers and give other teams mis-match nightmares. Turiaf I love, but even if he’s in the starting lineup he’s more of a 20 mpg kind of player. Maybe Mozgov will blow us all away, but he’s an even bigger question mark than Randolph.
If AR really falls apart and is just shitting the bed constantly, of course he won’t get 30 mpg, but otherwise he brings so much to the table that I think D’Antoni will keep him on a longer-than-usual leash. He was pretty patient with Barbosa if I recall.
I'd add Felton
to those players that are definitely worth 30+ minutes a game – Amar’e, Felton and Gallo will avg the most mins for us. I could almost see Felton leading our team in minutes honestly. He’s really our only true PG and as has been mentioned many times, could and should thrive in our system.
He has the ability to be a gamechanger but he’s far from showing he can do that consistently. There are plenty of guys who can eat up the minutes via platoon. He could well get 30 minutes but it is far from a lock right now.
Turiaf, Mozgov, and Amar’e can all get minutes at the 5. Gallo and Chandler can get minutes at the 4. The flexibility is there for Randolph to get exactly how many minutes he deserves, as the team shouldn’t be desperate for him to be out there yet at the same time no one is standing in his way.
High hopes, tempered expectations. This should be the fan approach to the whole team and Randolph is the ultimate microcosm.
Just being the player he has already shown himself as gives important tools to the line-up merely as a roleplayer; anything beyond that is icing on the cake. Two years down the line we can start judging his career prospects, how much of his potential will be fulfilled, and how we all feel about that.
For now we got three guys, roleplayers with the opportunity and capability to start, who provide important attributes to the team:
1. Turiaf – Interior defense, a passing big, the best cheerleader in the game, a great step in changing the culture of the team to that of enthusiasm and hard work
2. Buke – Strong perimeter defense, oustside shooting, good slasher/finisher all at the 2 guard spot, as a natural 2 guard
3. Randolph – Blocks, rebounds, athletic versatility for the D’Antoni musical chairs, wow factor, a manifestation of the rebuild: hope, potential, etc
These players were all had for essentially nothing, depending on one’s prism. Oh, and one of those players just happens to have the potential to be absolutely amazing in future seasons. Quite a deal, I hope Lee continues improving for Golden State and does for their fans what he has done for us over the years.
To see Randolph referred to as the youngest player on the roster is indeed something to think about.
Randolph is synonymous with "potential" right?
And potential, by definition, is unfulfilled. I think everyone is just geeked about what is possible, not probable.
Same goes for pretty much the whole team. I don’t think there’s one player on the team where we know what we’re getting out of him, except for maybe Chandler. That’s whats great about having a completely new roster. The possibilities.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Jul 28, 2010 11:56 AM EDT reply actions
Hey as long as the Knicks win
It’s OK with me if AR falls just short of averaging a quadruple double.
by fuhry on Jul 28, 2010 11:59 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Randolph will test D'Antoni
It will be up to Dan to bring out the best in Randolph There is a great deal on the line here. If AR improves over last year-which means reducing mistakes- this team will be miles ahead of last year’s team. AR can mean the difference between a good Knick team and a very good Knick team.
Highest ceiling he's got is to be a mini-Odom.
Not a terrible climb. But def wont be an all-star by any means…
This year?
Or ever?
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Jul 28, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably the next 3 years...
Gallo and Amare have the forward spots locked up so unless he actually starts playing center I don’t see big things from him in a Knicks jersey outside of what the Lakers have with Odom.
Of course I've been wrong before though...
I hope I am again =P
Why wouldn't he play center?
D’Antoni doesn’t like traditional 5s anyway. If he’s gained 20lbs of muscle this summer he weighs as much as Joakim Noah at 6’11" 230. Nobody seems to have a problem with Noah playing center.
Yea I agree.
Provided he can rebound enough, he’s perfect as a D’Antoni 5. Its rumored that he’s actually legit 7 feet now. Not that it really matters,
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Jul 28, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
And depending on injuries, how he plays
and how other guys shake out he might just see some time at the 5. But right now there appears to be other options there. Turiaf can play there, Stoudemire can pull a shift there, and hey if the big Russian Mozgov can rebound and block some shots, he will probably get minutes there too.
by Robert Currence on Jul 28, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
He really doesn't have to be in Pringles system
Think of Randolph as a bigger and Younger Marion. If we consistently push the ball and he runs hard, what will Ranolph get? Chances to finish in transition either on drives or lobs, put backs, open pull up mid range jumpshots, and point blank post ups where all he has to do is catch and elevate over his defender. In short the stuff Shawn Marion used to feast off of in Pringles system in PHX. Now if he can avoid Marion’s penchant for hoisting up bad 3pt shots he could actually end up being an upgrade. A Matrix 2.0 if you will.
by Robert Currence on Jul 28, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Anthony "Crocodile Tears" Randolph
There’s no question that this cat is going to light more than his fair share of crowds on fire by doing something boner-inducing cool. At this point in his career, I think one of the bigger questions is going to be how often his silly mistakes are going to overshadow the awesomeness.
I think he’ll get some very solid burn, but not before it’s earned. We won’t see Randolph getting huge minutes until he proves he’s not a liability on the court.
"He's the straw that makes the drink go."
by Thelonious Dunk on Jul 28, 2010 1:11 PM EDT reply actions
I won't
I require a nightly stat line of 22-14-3 blocks by December, or else…
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More realistic numbers for coming off the bench might be...
11 points
9 rebounds
2 assists
1 block
1 steal
Which I’d be more than happy with =P
Still don't see why Coach doesn't run him at the 5
What he lacks in bulk he more than adequately makes up for in reaction time and freakish athleticism.
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well..has he yet?
he might. I seem to remember a 7ft 230lbs beanpole playing C for the Knicks. And well…he didn’t have nearly the footspeed this guy does either.
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 28, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
You got the 2 and the 3 mixed up
I assumed you were referring to the great Eddy Curry
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there is also a 7' 230 lbs beanpole starting at C for the Bulls right now
And nobody seems to object.
And Anthony Randolph’s ceiling is WAY higher than Joakim Noah IMO.
truth.
tho Noah’s really always been 230 and has always been a tough style of player.
Randolph is just now 230. I guess we gotta lay some eyes on this warlock, cuz if he looks like Noah now..then yea, put him at C.
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 28, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably the best line in Superbad
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not sure about yall
but imo randolph and noah are built totally different. tho i havent seen randolph’s new"20lbs" Noah is built like a post player.. randolph looks frail body-ish
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
Well
I agree that it’s Coach D’antoni’s style to do that. However, I heard Randolph in an interview say that he sees himself more as a 3, though he recognizes that his skills translate better to the power forward position. So it seems like banging down low is not his favorite thing to do. From what I read about him, he may not be at his best if you’re always trying to get him to go against his instincts.
That said, D’antoni doesn’t like to think in terms of 1,2,3,4,5 anyway, so I think he will try to slot Randolph in someplace. My concern is that the Knicks don’t have anyone on the team that really, really loves rebounding. Other than Landry Fields. I haven’t seen Randolph enough to know if he does, but I do know that Nellie was constantly in his ear about that. Or about not trying to do anything other than that.
Ronny Turiaf would like to have a word with you
Dude is a banger. Also, as much as I’d love to make Randolph happy, at the end of the day, I don’t give 2 and 1/2 shits as to whether or not he prefers the 3. Dude’s 7 feet tall, act like it
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Yup
part of maturity, I guess – embrace what you got.
Turiaf, he’s a banger, defender, and shot blocker and I think he’ll be awesome but the dude’s not the greatest rebounder from what I hear. Not terrible, just not transcendant.
He's no travis outlaw, if that's what you mean.
"He's the straw that makes the drink go."
by Thelonious Dunk on Jul 28, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
not much difference between them
Travis Outlaw
9 and 3
Anthony Randolph
11 and 6
2 points more whoop dee doo. And 3 rebounds is kind of low especially in Golden State the way they jacked up shots.
He could turn out ok for you guys but he’s weak don’t get your hopes up.
Travis Outlaw’s solid, overpaid but solid. They drafted Damion James at SF who the coaching staff loves.
always fun hearing from you Nets fans.
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 28, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
So then
You wouldn’t be interested in trading Outlaw for Randolph straight up. OK then, we’ll keep him.
A lot doesn't match
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Congratulations!
You managed to waste about 5 minutes of your life attempting to rationalize that Outlaw is better than, or close to as good, as Randolph. In your statement, however, you provided no evidence, other than:
- Outlaw’s stats are worse
- Outlaw is paid far more
- Outlaw is stronger (?) than Randolph
- The Nets have drafted a backup at Outlaw’s position, which somehow helps Outlaw?
I mean, throw in their ages, and what you’ve essentially said is:
Not much difference between them:
if you ignore everything except what team I root for
So, sir, continue to enjoy the BLUEPRINT FOR GREATNESS. Your owner looks like a severely malnourished bear, who makes moves that leave other bears scratching their heads.
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and isn't outlaw already their backup??
sucks for that guy… another <20 win season for them in the brewing??
by blackhova on Jul 28, 2010 5:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Outlaw's solid like I said
Stretch the defense play some D and throw down a few dunks that’s all that’s expected of him.
D.James looks to be a better defender the coach wants him to concentrate on that, he doesn’t have a problem finishing either…
A young vet with a decent outside shot.
I never saw much of Outlaw but DJames looked good in summer league.
The plan was to go young and build on the future with 10 draft picks in the next 3 years.
tee hee
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by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Jul 28, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol Knick fans Knick fans smh
Simply put the Nets past 10 yrs :-)..Knicks? >>>:-(
I would say we have a brighter future .. no?
Favors, D.James.Brook maybe T-Will tons of Picks and a russian
You guys > Gallo, Amare (knee), zero Picks oh let me not forget Melo and CP3 (lol)
oh and unfortunately for you guys you have mr. no D’ fense = no championships A’ntoni
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ya undastand?
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by FreeBradshaw on Jul 31, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
whoop dee doo?
outlaw has reached his cieling.. and still isnt better.
Dude is what 27 years old?
He is a decent grab for a contending team looking for a guy off the bench to take some fouls.
And he makes how much?? Dude been in the league since 03..and has started the same amount of games at AR…whose been in for 2 years.
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
Lol @ the Nets fans
who are blindly being led to jump off the Brooklyn Bridge by that Russian and his 1% owning Court Jesture.
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by Rohpuri on Jul 28, 2010 9:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Thanks for the spelling correction
I can never get that word right.
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Randolph is a young player
Who is still growing into his body and his game. He is going to do somethings this year that are going to have us drooling and also somethings that are gonna make us want to pull our hair out, but there is really only one rememdy for that and its called minutes. I believe that D’Antoni knows that he has to be patient with him and that means living with some mistakes and bad games, but what I have seen from D’Antoni in the past is when he buys into a player, he is far more patient, the only way Randolph doesn’t see significant minutes this season is if the Knicks are actually contending for a playoff spot, and Randolph’s play begins to cost us games, then Pringles may bench him or dial back his minutes, but apart from that I think he is going to have a lot of lee way to show what he can do.
by Robert Currence on Jul 28, 2010 4:01 PM EDT reply actions
ima go to 53rd and buy him a gyro for every quad dub he puts up
unless eddy curry bets me to the line and buys the stand, then no gyros for anybody.. 8(
by blackhova on Jul 28, 2010 5:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Randolph is the next superstar.
but with thegroup of guys on the team now, every one make everyone else better. in practice and in preseason in millan.
I don't think we are going to see much of Randolph
An agile seven footer without much range who prefers to bring the ball up court makes me a little nervous.I know he’s got tons of potential, but for what? Turnovers? I am not so sure he fits D’Antoni’s or any other system. I do not think D’Antoni feels like he has the luxury of time to spend on player development. It seems to me that he was trying like hell to win last year and that is not likely to change this year. He is going with the guys who he thinks can win now.
As fans we can afford to take a long range view but our jobs, careers, and legacies are not at stake. I think the pressure to win now is too great and Randolph sounds like too much of a project. I hope I am wrong but I think we will see more of Landry Fields than Randolph.
WHAT
Are you crazy. D’antoni is big on randolph. yea you are wrong this guy developed in d-league, and his time with golden state. this is his year along with felton. he can run in the knicks system perfectly, maybe you need to do some homework on randolph. i suggest you check out the you tube links on him . posted here in this forums……
I hope you are right
and he turns into a monster for us. We shall see soon enough.
don't get too caught up
this dude refuses to believe that emeka okafor did not lead the league in everything but scoring.
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Hope you are right but not buying it. We traded away our best player for three guys either comming off injuries or saddled with the “ton of potential” label. If all three were so good why did they all get traded together? We had are chance to lock up Lee last season and blew it. Also drafting Jordan Hill instead of Brandon Jennings was a huge mistake. We would have had less cap room to spend going into last years free agency frenzy but we would now have two solid young players. If Randolf could not handle Bay area media I fear what will happen to him if the Knicks get off to a slow start.
well...
how would you feel if we got nothing for David Lee? Should be happy we got anything for Lee, let alone a player like Randolph.
The reason the Warriors did this was not only cuz they value Lee a ton, so they give up a prize like Randolph…but also, they had to make the salaries match since they’re over the cap….so that’s why these guys had to get traded together, its in the rules. The Warriors had to give up something to the Knicks, they held his rights and all. They couldn’t have just given them nothing and expect to land Lee.
So that’s why…the Warriors valued Lee.
Lee I thought would’ve been fine paired with Amare, but the Knicks didn’t want to tie up $180mill in the frontcourt for 2 defensively challenged players, so that’s fine with me. Amare is better then Lee, and if you really don’t think Amare is a better player, you’re just fooling yourself with that.
As for Jennings over Jordan Hill…well, that’s sour grapes and the past. Nothing you can do about that, and its really not like the Knicks are the only ones.
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 29, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
yep
atleast we got something out of or double doubles departure. but we should of got anthony morrow instead of azumbukie. not he with the nets, i think he’s better what happen with that deal.
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