Let's patiently be REALLY EXCITED about Anthony Randolph
by flossy on Jul 29, 2010 12:37 AM EDT
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PrintI get what Seth is saying. I mean, who knows, right? The odds that a potentially game-changing, franchise-lifting talent joined the Knicks roster during Free Agentocalypse 2K10 without an hour-long tv special or even a solo press conference are small, you would think. Anthony Randolph is young and no doubt going to do some dumb shit next year on the court, and we will shake our heads.
But it's it's the end of July! It's not time to think about the (possibly many) times Anthony Randolph is going to try to pull some crazy shit only for the ball to end up in the third row. It's time to reflect on what a beast Shawn Marion was playing for Mike D'Antoni, and how think about how sick it would have been if he were five inches taller and had a 7'4" wingspan.
Oh wait, is that on our team now? Is my hard-on showing? I don't give a shit! Is it because his 20 year old numbers are statistically similar to, let's see, 20 year old Shawn Kemp, Chris Bosh, Kevin Garnett, Tracy McGrady and our very own Amar'e?
Is it because of this?
Over the past six months, he has added 20 pounds of muscle by training with Kyle Meadows, a Dallas-based strength and conditioning coach.
"I need to be able to bang down there with those guys," Mr. Randolph said.
The emphasis has been on high-intensity, basketball-specific movements that are designed to make Mr. Randolph more explosive. For example, he might do a set of power lifts in the weight room and then head directly to the court to dunk a medicine ball five straight times.
"He's feeling pretty good about himself," Mr. Meadows said. "You'll never see him with his shirt on. He's really enjoying the delts and pecs and things."
Or maybe this?
Q. What’s your mind-set now?
A. It’s all on me right now. If I don’t succeed, it’s my fault. It’s not on anybody else. Coach is going to give me an opportunity to show what I can do and if I don’t capitalize on it, it’s nobody’s fault but mine.
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Q. You were injured a good portion of last year. How much are you itching to get back to 100 percent and playing again? How are your workouts with the assistant coach Dan D’Antoni?
A. I’m ready. I told Dan this morning after workouts I wished the season started tomorrow. I’m ready to play. I’m ready to get out there. I feel I’ve added some things in my game. I feel like my shot is a thousand times better. I’m just ready to get out there and show everybody all the hard work I’ve put in since April 15, since the last game of the season.
It's this, isn't it:
Anthony Randolph Dunks on Yao... TWICE (via orangino)
Yep, that'll do.
See, we have a very fast new point guard who loves to penetrate and dish, run the break and throw alley oops. Perfect. We have the most dangerous scoring PF in the league combined with at least four 40% three point shooters, so this kid will not be seeing many double teams. Even better. And now we have this beautiful freak of nature, and a coach who will be more than happy to create some kind of crazy hybrid position that only he can play and that nobody can guard. Fan-fucking-tastic.
Anthony Randolph is going to wreck people, and I refuse not to believe that right now. In December, when maybe he's making mistakes and D'Antoni wants to pull his mustache off and we're all Gah, what are you, like 21?!, we'll all just have to take a deep breath, take a moment to think back on how it felt when Al Harrington was bricking his fifth three of the night, and then fast forward to all the times Anthony Randolph is going to make Chris Bosh cry over the next few years. It's summer! Just believe.
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Good points. I just refuse to vote on a poll with only one option.
"As humans we strive for success but live with fear. If success was inevitable, fear cannot exist" Michael Kelley
I want to make a poll
That asks “do you hate polls with only one option?” and the only option will be yes.
by revans on Jul 29, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I've actually seen something like that recently.
"As humans we strive for success but live with fear. If success was inevitable, fear cannot exist" Michael Kelley
by MikeTheIntern on Jul 29, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd rather it say:
“Will you answer polls with only one option?” and have the option be no. I wanna see how many bite.
My name's Gus Johnson; I get buckets.
dont be a baby!
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Jul 29, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I just want the season to start
I’m excited about everything. I think these guys might win 70 games and I’ll still be happy with it all if they don’t even break .500. Anthony Randolph is awesome. I feel like a principal of one of those schools that don’t give out grades and the entire Knicks roster are my students.
Anthony Randolph scored 40 points for my team in NBA 2k10
he is balling.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
TURRIBLE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eIgWRcMRzw
lol all that and this and to think he now 7ft! and added 20lb of muscle! look out miami the knicks are coming for ya :)
oh almost forgot and! his jump shot is 1000x better!
by J3TSFANFORLYF3 on Jul 29, 2010 3:40 AM EDT up reply actions
lol
i got to play nba live to get my anthony randolph on.
Plus I bet any one that he dunks on lebron, bosh , or wade this season. before any one of those miami lames, get to high-light on any knick..
Of course...
excited, but cautiously. I was excited when they got Eddy Curry too…but I don’t think Randolph’s like that, tho he’s been injured a bunch in his brief career. Of course there’s that whole contract thing, and the Knicks aren’t exactly putting it all on young AR to take them back to the Promised land like they did with Curry…sigh…what the hell were they thinking?
Go New York Go!
There was a year in which Curry led the league in points in the paint. That is a useful asset, but not at the cost of all of the other facets his game lacked. Plus, the next year, Isiah the Master Builder gets the redundant Z-bo; then later that same season stresses that the Knicks will be “Phoenix East”. And don’t nobody mention how well Isiah drafts-anyone who picks Balkman and leaves Rondo on the board don’t know jack.
cmon
rondo wasnt exactly a commodity coming out the draft.. isaiah is a pretty good scout. He was scout for tmac, damon stoudemire, marcus camby, david lee, nate, al harrington, chandler… pretty decent picks if you ask me.. not sure if i missed any.
now isiah the trade or contract ngo guy… now thats terrible
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
Ariza in the 2nd round
Isiah could draft for sure, but a complete shithead in every other facet up to and including the women in the office he tried to nail. Like he was the Eddy Curry of GMs or something
Isiah is also crappy at hiring coaches....
…REALLY crappy. But I have no complaints about his drafting.
cmon
And Balkman WAS a commodity? MOst scouts did not have him rated any higher than the 2nd round. We had a glaring hole at point. Rondo was a good pick for the Knicks at that point. As for Nate, Al, Damon Stoudemire, you cmon. Are any of those game-changers?
lol
balkman was not. but nobody drafts gems every pick every year. Stoudemire, Al and nate:
Stoudemire was good in his first year. ROY and all star game mvp(rookie game)and doing very good at some points in his career…no he wasnt a nba great or continuous all star pick b ut if you asked about him.. everyone knew.
AL. Im talking early al harrington..not old Al bricks. Al was very much a good player. Until he lost his first step speed in his knees. But v good role player
Nate: Nate is nate. not anything great..but he was a low pick that blossomed nicely. He isnt what we tried to make him become (a true pg) but in the right situation he can flourish. He won some games single handedly here as most of us know.
These guys arent great..but picks that you sure cant say were some shyt though. Alot of picks go on to be no names and fade into black… but for these guys to have year and years in the leauge.. id say they were pretty good pick ups
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
damon stourdamire?
averaged JUST under 20 and 10 his first three years in the league.
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How about Channing Frye over Andrew Bynum-i’m sure an exhaustive list of Isiah’s draft picks will show he left a lot of money on the table!
sure Bynum looks better NOW
but at the time he was a very, very, raw kid who coming out of high school. The Lakers could afford to take a chance on a big project like that. Think Jerome Jordan this year.
Now, with Kareem as a mentor he has improved greatly, but he also is becoming a guy with weak knees and injuries that occur at the END of the season, which has affected his playoff status.
If you guys are gonna consider who we COULD have drafted, go and look at the situations at the time too.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Aug 8, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
yea
i remember when we got curry, i was hype he did score 20+ a game. then shaq said in a after game interview, that curry was the only center in the nba (at that time) that was able to hold him and give him trouble down there. and that he had great potiential..
BUT people forget curry got tied up and robbed in chicago, in like 2005 or 2006. then all the other drama, baby moma getting killed, kids, and so much bad vybz in his life realy fuks your mine state up as well as his game play. stressed eating like crazy gaining weight. but i think that with the guys we got on the roster will make each other better, more aggersive, and stronger in practice, working out, and when they go to millan to play there preseason. that will bring the guys closer together. playing millions of miles away from home over seas in another country. all on the plain with walt clyde frazier, knicks players will form a brother hood trust me…
Warrior fan here
The tools are all there – no question. But what AR lacks is maturity, both on and of the court, a post move or two (thinks he is a SF), and man to man defense ability.
He’ll dazzle you with highlights on almost a nightly basis – but he is a ways away from helping his team win. Sounds like he is saying and doing the right things. He’ll need a tough veteran high character guy to keep him in line – you got any of those?
We were very sad to see him go – but I am glad he went East and to a team I also root for in the Knicks.
One thing about D'antoni
is that he despises the post game. David Lee actually showed some pretty good posting ability last year. Apparently Al Harrington likes to post up. But D’antoni doesn’t do posting. So he won’t ask Randolph to do that. He will want Randolph to hit shots though.
i didnt really like Lee's post game
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
kinda like you and your posts, honestly
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by StinkyFingers on Jul 31, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Al Harrington likes to do a lot of things on the court
And its a good coach’s job to stop him from doing most of them
He’ll need a tough veteran high character guy to keep him in line
Yup: Amare Stoudemire
Go New York Go!
also this guy named
Felton. Ya know, brought his team into the playoffs when very few people thought they had the talent to make it there?
I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.
not to mention
they were a shoe-in for upsetting the Cavs in the first round had it not been for seeding. who was paying attention to the season series? demon coach was hell bent on focusing on those cavs games
And not just to keep him in line
to mentor him as well. They play the same position and are both freaks. What Amar’e has learned to do on O can be transferred to an extremely young AR.
If you were AR, wouldn’t you want to soak up everything a beast like Amar’e had to give??
/pause
I would add to that
that Amar’e has shown the determination, attention to diet and conditioning and straight up beastly work ethic to overcome adversity and not only come back from injuries that leave most players shells of their former selves, but actually elevate his game in the process. Before the microfracture he was all dunks, all the time; afterward he developed a sick midrange game and became a more well-rounded offensive player.
If half of that attitude rubs off on Randolph… look out, world.
not likely to happen
both have big egos. AR, for all his talk off the court this summer, when he was with the Warriors acted like he should have been the man the offense should run through. This is in spite of the fact that Monta had to publicly berate him for not knowing the offensive sets during games.
Stoudamire doesn’t seem like the mentoring type – he is going to be focused more on getting the Knicks closer to the playoffs so that free agents like Carmelo or CP3 will want to join the party.
My hunch is that the two won’t work very well together, AR will pout when he is told to play center or sit on the bench, when Stoudamire has his annual injury AR will come in and play very well. This will then lead to drama about who should start when Stat comes back and because of his paycheck, Amare will take back the spot. Fans will be divided in who to root for and eventually, AR will get traded for a more traditional Center.
can't really argue that right now...
cuz I dunno how Amare’s gonna be in NY or really how he was in Phoenix…but every sense that I get from what he’s saying is that he’s gonna do what ever it takes. I mean…this is a guy that runs his own big man’s camp for youngins..so I doubt that he’s not gonna know how to be a mentor.
And I’m really not inclined to take you serious with this “Amare annual injury” crap. The freak injury with the eye and the knee aside, the guy basically plays in EVERY GAME. Really..when people talk about this guy being injury prone, makes me wonder if they even simply went over to his career stat page and looked at his games played.
Amare’s basically a rock in the lineup.
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 30, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
WORD
It drives me crazy when people say Amar’e is “injury prone.” His one major physical injury was like four years ago, and since then he’s come back strong with All-NBA caliber play and missed fewer games than Chris Bosh or Wade. The eye injury was as you said, a freak accident. It didn’t affect his physical condition or explosiveness in the slightest. He rocks goggles now—end of story.
I guess it’s possible that he will be a prima donna in NYC. But given that he’s put his reputation on the line to assume the mantle of franchise player under the hottest media spotlight anywhere, you have to think he’s prepared to step it up and be a leader. If he wants Melo and CP3 to want to join him on the Knicks, we have to be a legit club already. Even for purely selfish reasons, it is in his interest that the Knicks play well, develop their young talents like Randolph and Gallo and don’t turn into a soap opera. Melo will not want to sign on with unhappy Amar’e and a bunch of whiny babies, and everyone knows this.
Randolph almost certainly has some growing up to do, but if anyone who says his problem was not marinating in the wisdom of Monta Ellis (ha!) and Don Nelson (HA!) is straight-up delusional. Don Nelson is a booze-soaked blowhard who should have quit years ago and Monta Ellis is a taller version of Nate Robinson. Whatever problems they may have, D’Antoni and Amar’e far outclass Nellie and Monta, sorry GS fans but it’s the truth.
by flossy on Jul 30, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
i can't rec this
because monta ellis does not have nate’s range on the jumper.
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your a blithering idiot!
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by StinkyFingers on Jul 31, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
you misread my post
In multiple games, AR was completely lost on the court, both on the offensive and defensive side on the ball. So much so that Ellis, not a vocal guy by any means, had to publicly berate him being so lost during crucial moments in the game. While all this was happening, AR would act as if he should have the ball on every possession and he rarely gave it up. When Nellie benched him he would pout.
As for your opinions of Nellie and Monta, you are entitled, of course. However, you’ll note that Monta and Nellie being involved is irrelevant to AR’s actions.
I'm not going to claim that he didn't struggle
I’m saying that for a very young, very raw player with huge upside, Don Nelson was the worst possible coach because he is a) crazy and kind of a megalomaniac and b) not particularly flexible or forgiving of players who don’t adjust well to Nellie-ball. I don’t think Nellie being involved is irrelevant at all; the only way players gain maturity and stop making mistakes is through gaining experience, and Nellie jerked him around and never game him significant or even consistent minutes, which is inexcusable considering the Warriors really didn’t have much to lose by letting him learn on the job. D’Antoni is not the perfect coach by any means, but he does have a knack for player development (particularly for taking players who are already on the cusp of excellence and pushing them over) and for the most part his system allows guys to play to their natural strengths rather than force them to become a cog in a needlessly complicated system. I think this will be good for AR.
As for Monta, he’s not irrelevant either: you asked if we had a veteran presence to keep AR in line, and later said that with GSW Monta Ellis had to yell at him because he wasn’t getting it. I’m saying that Monta Ellis is not comparable to Amar’e in terms of the weight their opinion carries on a team and their appropriateness to be a mentor for Randolph. STAT is a five time all-star who has gone deep in the playoffs on many occasions, and AR has said that when he was learning the game in high school Amar’e was one of the players he most looked up to. That’s not a guy you ignore or piss off. Monta Ellis… is another young knucklehead more like Randolph himself than Stoudamire. I’m sure Monta had some choice words about not AR not understanding the system (especially the parts about “always pass Monta Ellis the ball” and “get out of the way and watch Monta Ellis chuck it” and so on) but… let’s just say I won’t care if AR ignores Eddy Curry’s dieting advice once he gets to the Knicks, either.
Monta Injured Himself...
On a Mo-Ped?!?!?!
Bone-headed injury…
Did someone say AR had leadership to look up to in Golden State?
If I can make it there, I'll make it anywhere...It's up to you, New York, New York!!!!
I'll add on...
that even if like you say, Amar’e isn’t the mentoring type, AR even just watching Amar’e on the court (both skill and chanelled ferocity) should translate into learning and improvement.
And that’s if Amar’e does nothing related to mentoring. Maybe Amar’e isn’t quite a “player-coach” teaching type… but he’ll provide at least SOMEthing in addition to the oncourt lessons.
Thing is
D’antoni doesn’t have offensive sets…. so it won’t be a problem!
We’ll see. Personally, I think the on-court leadership of Felton and Amar’e is preferable to that of Monta Ellis, but you never know. I’m cautiously optimistic that Randolph will be able to succeed here.
The other options were quite tempting…
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by Scratch and Snif on Jul 30, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
The key really is Dantoni-he must invest whatever it takes to tap into this guy’s immense talent. Mike has to undo a lot of the last 2 years in terms of his communication with players.
I think all the players he had issues with are gone
Who are the guys who even had problems with D’Antoni? Marbury, Hughes, Harrington? Marbury’s insane. Hughes’ pussy hurt over the fact he wasn’t playing steady minutes. Al thought he was the best player on the team by far and didn’t feel like he was being featured enough in the offense. How many times have we seen that quote from him that he could do more than just shoot threes? Yeah, then there’s Nate who got benched. But he never said a thing publicly and was ready to play when his number was called, so whatever went on there didn’t hurt the team.
It's kind of hit or miss with D'antoni
He’ll have patience with some guys and not with others. Could AR fall into that Nate Robinson doghouse? Maybe. We’ll see. We’d be deluding ourselves if we think that D’antoni’s a great developer of young players. Yes, sometimes, but a lot of times, he has a lot in common with Nellie. Knick fans were very hopeful about Nate Robinson’s potential when he got here and his athleticism and talent were off the charts, and he had moments of extreme awesome greatness.
But D’antoni got frustrated with him and jerked around his minutes just like Nellie jerked Randolph’s.
I think because of Randolph’s size, D’antoni will give him every chance to succeed out there, but won’t tolerate mistakes too well. He’s trying to win NOW, remember. Also, D’antoni refuses to kowtow to sulking players. So if AR goes that route, he’ll hit the bench and stay there. But if he keeps his head up, I think he’ll be fine and D’antoni, to his credit, won’t force him into a box he won’t fit in.
Cautiously optimistic – Randolph’s a great risk to take for the Knicks right now. I think he’s a good kid and he’ll find a way in this league. I hope whatever he does, he keeps rebounding.
hit or miss-Got to hit that
Fuhry-All great points. In keeping with the Knicks new mantra of “flexibility”, all i’m asking is for MDA to (a) try his best to develop AR; and (b) NOT destroy his confidence and/or trade value. We CANNOT afford to have him relegated to the dog-house. Let’s face it—if you build him up, you have the flexibility to trade or keep him. And i’ve seen a lot of posters saying we’ll know about him by mid-December. You know what? Let dude have at least a year on the team-then decide. A lot of our future is invested in AR. If MDA gives him “SSOL”, we may be SOL. I’m just sayin’.
I would think DA will
More than likely it will be a totally diff atmostphere w/ tha knicks in general.. chemistry will be huge. This is a TEAM now.. not just friendly contract players that he has to coach into playing well with each other.. the team now is made of guys that walsh believes compliment each others playing styles. strengths help others weaknesses. So theres a lot of reason to believe Pringles will change.
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
yawn.....
Sactown Royalty is full of Queens!
by StinkyFingers on Jul 31, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Hold on little P&T'ers
I just ate a 5 layer 5 lb burrito. And now, I am going to take a 5 lb shit.
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
ill be impressed
when you eat a 5 lb burrito and take a 7 lb shit.
I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.
5 lbs?
Proof is needed… maybe a pic could coexist with our lil vomitting man if/when our beloved Knickerbockers play like shit?
that is some impressive metabolism
might want to go head and make sure you’re stocked up on air freshener…that is, unless you really like your own brand
Go New York Go!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 30, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Scary metabo
but the office bathroom is where the browns went to the superbowl. So i dont have to worry about anything.
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
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