Amar'e Stoudemire will join the Knicks in a sign-and-trade.
by Seth on Jul 8, 2010 1:44 PM EDT
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Amar'e Stoudemire has been introduced and is now a member of your New York Knicks. The report now is that the deal isn't an outright signing, but a sign-and-trade with the Suns. Since I have the cognitive abilities of a starfish, I'll let the Arizona Republic's Paul Coro explain what this means for the Knicks:
The Suns will use Amar'e Stoudemire's official departure today to make a pair of sign-and-trade deals with New York and Chicago, netting the Suns a $16.5 million trade exception from the Knicks and using part of that for Hakim Warrick's acquisition, according to Stoudemire's agent, Happy Walters.
Walters said the trade exception the Suns are receiving in return for first signing Stoudemire to his five-year, $99.7 million contract with New York is for $16.5 million, equivalent to Stoudemire's first-year salary. That means the Suns would not be getting a player, like free agent David Lee in return.
It was expected that New York would receive a second-round pick in such an arrangement, as well as about $800,000 in extra salary cap space this year by being able to start Stoudemire's contract at a lower first-year salary. By Phoenix signing Stoudemire before trading him, the contract can have 10.5 percent raises to get to the same $99.7 million total as he would have by signing with New York with eight percent raises.
Coro notes that if and when LeBron James spurns the Knicks, David Lee could still be included in the deal. With that much-rumored deal with the Warriors on his plate, though, Donnie Walsh might be looking elsewhere. Anyway, if the Knicks somehow come away with some extra cap space and a pick in the deal, then that's fine by me. I won't even bother to ask how that works.
Update: I added the video of Stoudemire's press conference after the jump.
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That trade exemption puts PHX in the running
for Melo and CP3 I’d think as they can now fill out their roster and sign either of those two if they are over the cap.
Not true...
First, Frye will be signed using the Mid-Level-Exception (MLE). Second, Warrick will be acquired via his own sign-and-trade from Chicago using a portion of the massive Amare TPE.
That leaves about $12.5 million left from Amare’s TPE to use on any combination of players via trade.
From Alex Laugan @ Bright Side of the Sun
CP3 and Melo will definitely cost more than $12.5 mil.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
Hey, I'm not going to own up to knowing PHX finances but
IMO this would be a great reason to work in the trade exemption with Amar’e’s departure. I’m sure they could make some moves to free up more space.
"I won't even bother to ask how that works"
Couldn’t agree more. I consider myself fairly well educated, but NBA trading makes my brain hurt. Any other relevant DLee trade rumors out there?
sick as i am
i’m realizing now that i’m more excited about the prospect of anthony randolph in new york than i am about lebron. i fucking love anthony randolph.
agreed
2009 summer league shows he has the raw rools, idk what happened with him and his coaches or whatever but i think a change of scenery will do randolph some good
what happened
is that don nelson is out of his goddamn mind
by wilson chandler's neck tattoo on Jul 8, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Definately more realisitc but really?
I
"Umm - it was - you know - umm - a good game. You know."-
Patrick Ewing (my Knick Hero)
Now THAT's the spirit!
Kudos dude…I like Randolph too and I also like that we’re not just focusing on a point guard but possibly a point forward per Walsh/MDA. Whether HeWhoHasBeenWastingMyTime comes or not, and believe you me I’ll cheer him if he comes, but I will not back off being disgusted with hyping your own ass like the NBA hinged on your action. We’ll be just fine. MDA and esp. Walsh have proven to me their mettle and savvy. I can’t help but believe anything other than I might just be seeing a familiar face in NY by the Summer of next year. And he’ll want to be here, and won’t need party tricks to prove it. My take is laugh now cry later. They can laugh now but will be crying later.
I'm pretty sure..
That they don’t have to give anything up because salaries don’t have to match when you’re under the cap and there’s only one player involved. What Phoenix gets is the trade exception or “credit”. Any time a single player is traded for a non-matching salary, the team gets “credit” that it’s allowed to use to fill out the rest of that salary. Phoenix can use that 16.5 million to trade for other players to “complete” the trade later on. Can’t sign anyone with it though.
If that make any sense.
by gian casimiro on Jul 8, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
9 needs to hurry up
bobacts may get beasley in a 4 was deal or some shyt..from realgm
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
Donnies
working every angle……I like it!
and I like A. Randolph but his past injuries coupled with Amare’s dont make me feel so good……….
yeah, I was questioning Walshes compentency earlier
Now i am starting to see things come together.
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by LoNJDTechnology on Jul 8, 2010 3:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Possible Knicks Warriors trade and 2011 Salary Implications
One of the possible trades between Knicks and Warriors involves David Lee for Kelenna Azubukie, Ronny Turiaf, and Anthony Randolph.
1) Azubukie: $3,364,000 in 2010-2011 but comes off the books at season’s end
2) Anthony Randolph: $1,965,720 in 2010-2011 and there’s a team option for 2011-2012 at $2,911,231.
3) Ronny Turiaf: $4,000,000 in 2010-2011; and there’s a player option for $4,360,000 in 2011-2012.
All three guys are coming off injuries, Azubukie can shoot 3’s (career .407%); Turiaf can rebound and block shots (remember the March Knicks-W’s game); Anthony Randolph is younger multi-talented Lamar Odom clone, but he’s mentally and physically soft.
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and all 3 can play
and whatever comes over in a potential deal have to with our depth as of the moment
you have my vote on this one
Sold as well
1) I am a huge Ronny Turiaf fan; ever since his final season at Gonzaga. The guy is a good leader. He wears his heart on his sleeves and does the dirty work.
2) My best friend is a huge Spurs fan and has wanted Bukie on the Spurs for the past few years now.
3) The first game I ever watched Randolph play I immediately took not of his talent/skills.
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i love Ronny
as a Gonzaga fan and as a fan of dreadlocks.
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by viva_morrison on Jul 8, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
This is just so rediculous....
Just read a twit that he was in NYC 3 days ago and an MTA worker saw him buy a monthly metro card. That’s freakin’ funny as hell!
"Umm - it was - you know - umm - a good game. You know."-
Patrick Ewing (my Knick Hero)
Sorry I know we're on to trade scenarios but I shared cause I laughed out loud
"Umm - it was - you know - umm - a good game. You know."-
Patrick Ewing (my Knick Hero)
Trade
That trade is definitely an upgrade…Randolph has star potential, Turiaf is a nice shot blocking presence which we desparately need and Azubukie is a good 3 point shooting/rebounding 2-guard which we are short on. However what would that lineup look like would randolph play center or come off the bench behind gallo and amare?
My Starting Line up
Pg: Douglas
Sg: Azubukie
Sf: Gallo
Pf: Amare
C: Turiaf
Bench:
1. Walker
2. Routins
3. Fields
4. Randolph
Never underestimate the power of a neck brace and wheelchair. In Donnie Walsh I trust!
u forgetting wilson chandler
In Donnie We Trust!
by IB on Jul 8, 2010 2:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Seth I like your style
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no offense dude, but that lineup is depressing
so we are a combination of last years knicks and last years warriors! i think i will cry a bit if we go into next year with that. I know its for conversational purposes.
Maybe so, but taking the most promising pieces of those two,
removing the “black holes” (Ellis, Harrington), and giving them a year’s more experience and Amar’e. Might not win a championship, but it will be a hell of a lot better than either the Knicks or the Warriors were last year.
Plus any team with Gallo, TD, and Randolph is going to be really, really fun to watch.
And between Turiaf, Randolph, Chandler, and TD, that team plays some pretty decent defense.
Far from perfect defense, but pretty good defense.
more potential
but not nearly as good as lee right now
+1
I can see that it might be good to get more players to fill out the roster, but why would they be in such a hurry to S+T Lee? I admit getting those three guys seems like a pretty good deal… but I’m not sold on Randolph necessarily. And isn’t Turiaf kind of short for a center? Yes, he beasted on us the last time we played, but I’m wondering if it’s worth the risk or if we’d be better off keeping Lee.
i guess no
to keeping the Flying Barron??
by blackhova on Jul 8, 2010 3:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
all these posts are curiously missing 2 other names
earl and jordan (iven we retain earl – any news? or that jordan arrives tomorrow)
I want to know what Scoop Jackson thinks.
No one has heard from him the past few weeks. Where the hell is he?
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They cut his hours.
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by LoNJDTechnology on Jul 8, 2010 3:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
My starting 5
Starting 5:
1. Ridnour
2. Azubuike
3. Gallo
4. Amare
5. Randolph
Bench:
1. Chandler
2. Douglas
3. Rautins
4. Turiaf
i picture it like this
pg) ridnour / toney
sg) wilson / walker / rautins
sf) gallo / walker / fields
pf) amar’e / randolph
c) turiaf / jordan / curry
assuming you could get ridnour on a one year deal
also i still think we need a center/ another big, someone mentioned kurt thomas and what about earl barron, is there any other center candidates for a big im missing that could be cheap and for a year?
If we get Randolph
He’s gonna start. Maybe not immediatley, but by the 20th game def.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Jul 8, 2010 3:04 PM EDT reply actions
at the 4 ? kuz we not takin cock out
Lol we not takin cock out
In Donnie We Trust!
by IB on Jul 8, 2010 3:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
almost done venting my frustration
Lol I hope lebron has a grant hill career if he goes to the heat that is all
In Donnie We Trust!
by IB on Jul 8, 2010 3:05 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I normally don't wish ill will on people but...
I hope Bosh Wade and Bron get whatever Karma has in store for them, especially LeBron; these three have made mockery of the NBA, the legends who came before him, the fans, the media, and professional sports in general.
Never underestimate the power of a neck brace and wheelchair. In Donnie Walsh I trust!
mockery is an understatement
Its gonna make the league dry, I’ll still watch the knicks but not wen the heat play I jus won’t want to see it. Hopefully they’ll never make the finals kuz I won’t watch it unless its game 5 and their down 3-1
In Donnie We Trust!
by IB on Jul 8, 2010 3:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Its tough for me to generate any malice towards Wade
But the players on the roster, the alumni of the franchise, the people who run it, and the people who fill their building to half capacity each home game… they can suck it
Outside the Lines
The Panel is killing Chris Broussard. I absolutely love it. Broussard rooting for LeBron and defending this crap. Everyone else killing him.
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Skip Bayless and Chris Broussard.Ugh
"we believe in comebacks"
by Jadden Hopkins on Jul 8, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
i think we need to think bigger than GS if we are going for a s&t with lee. put him chandler and td and go after one of CP3 or carmelo, maybe one of those teams is desperate enough to make the deal. we hang on to curry expiring deal and sign carmelo if we traded for CP3 or sign parker if we traded for carmelo
by BronxBeliever on Jul 8, 2010 3:24 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
just thought of this too: lee and curry for okafor and CP3
starters:
Paul
Douglas
Danilo
Amar’e
Okafor
bench:
chandler
JJ
ruotins
by BronxBeliever on Jul 8, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
and you think NO accepts this trade??
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
probably not but its worth a shot. they get an all star back for their superstar and crawl out from under emeka’s contract with currys expiring deal. with their owner as desperate as he is for money (i dont think he has sold yet) its conceiveable although unlikely
by BronxBeliever on Jul 8, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
this probably has 1 chance of happening
actually no, a zero chance of happening
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
Nobody wants Eddy Curry
The sooner everyone realizes this, the sooner we can start thinking of plausable trades.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Jul 8, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Jermaine O'Neal to the Celtics
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D-Day
Gonna be watching Knicks Night Live on MSG before and after LeBron’s decision tonight. Hoping they’ll be discussing only good things. Cross your fingers Knicks Fans…
Happy Walters.. what a great name. (Which is also my last name but still)
Also, I’ve moved on from LeBron. From now on I want Donnie Walsh’s plan to be building some sort of, Magnificent Seven/Inglorious Basterds squad with the sole goal of destroying the rest of the league.
Gentlemen, I want my scalps
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So Lebron wore that New York hat...
because he really likes the Yankees? That is a cruel joke man. I have a feeling that he is coming to New York. All this Miami talk is just smoke and mirrors.
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by LoNJDTechnology on Jul 8, 2010 3:32 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
ur not the only one
http://web.sny.tv/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100708&content_id=12068716&oid=36320&vkey=18
im not that optimistic but i found it an interesting read especially when he talks about the other rumors
the naive child that I once was
Would take that article and convince me that LeBron is a Knick. However, the 28 year old cynic that I’ve become will believe it when he see/hear’s it .
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Nevertheless,
It is an article that can’t be ignored. Even if you don’t think Lebron is coming the article made some pretty sound points. I will go with my initial prediction. Lebron will be a Knick.
Fan's Creed: (Play well+Win=Praise) (Play Well+Lose=Praise) (Play Lousy+Win=Criticism) (Play lousy+Lose & Bandwagon Jumpers=Off with thier heads!)
by LoNJDTechnology on Jul 8, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
in another attempt at a totallyuseless topic
chris paul left his business to join LRMR.
Does this mean anything?
Would paul leave lrmr if it were to be taking a hit in sale by joining the all start miami duo? …………I wouldnt
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
no one else finds this news interesting?
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
When Paul becomes a free agent
He will become LeBron James’ lapdog
Never underestimate the power of a neck brace and wheelchair. In Donnie Walsh I trust!
Hey Lapdogs need their own lapdog too
It’s like those wooden Russian dolls that keep poping out of each other, but only in smaller sizes.
Never underestimate the power of a neck brace and wheelchair. In Donnie Walsh I trust!
Nesting dolls!
I prefer to imagine the rat on a cat on a dog in Union Square (SF). I’ll leave it up to P&T commenters to determine which player best embodies each animal spirit.
let me be the first
dog: wade, because he’s the face of the heat franchise.
cat: bosh, because he’s soft and doesn’t exactly instill fear in opponents. plus, who wouldn’t want a nice, soft, furry cat on your lap?
rat: lebron. because that’s just who he is. a choke artist and one who’s scurrying away from the responsibility of being the “man”.
by mindcontrolproject on Jul 9, 2010 5:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I am so happy about this move. Finally something to look forward too in NY. Hope it doesnt end up like the other guy we got from Phoenix awhile back.
If Lebron signs with NY I will go to bed tonight a happy man.
I know it doesnt seem likely but I am really convincing myself he is gonna sign there.
This my 4th account. Dont ban me bro!!!
There was a speculation in SI
I lost the link, but guy was saying LeBron could announce he’s staying in Cleveland tonight. Actually, that does seem feasible. I think in that case the kids and Knick fans would be disappointed, but not wanting to pelt him with rocks. Really, it’s hard to get mad at a guy for being loyal after all this.
meh. Last night I was all excited, this morning I was all belligerent, now I’m back to the place of not caring. Let’s just get this shit behind us and play some basketball. Andy Rautins! Yay!
pretty much sums it up for me
Last night I was all excited, this morning I was all belligerent, now I’m back to the place of not caring. Let’s just get this shit behind us and play some basketball
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
Forgot to add this..
but Amare, word appp. Everything dude says, just word the fuck up.
Amare has guts. Amare has balls. Yea..we need another star, but maybe that’s Gallo? Chandler? Douglas? All 3? Maybe Anthony Randolph?
The other dude don’t want NY..fuck em. NY don’t want you then.
Would be nice to relive those Knicks vs. Heat rivalries. Those were great mainly cuz both teams were so equal.
But would anyone else love another 8 vs. 1 upset? With maybe a Gallo jumper in place of h2O’s?
We’ll make the playoffs. Eat shit you don’t think so.
KEEP LEE!!!
Fuck them if they don't love New York.
Darrelle Revis once won a game of Connect Four in three moves.
Him and Amar'e Vs Wade & Bosh would be some exciting shit though!
"Umm - it was - you know - umm - a good game. You know."-
Patrick Ewing (my Knick Hero)
it's one of the pieces we needed
someone other than walsh and MDA with a chip on their shoulder. Now let’s hope he puts that energy into firing up our team and not the other
Ian_OConnor
D’Antoni on Miami Big 3: "It’s a really good team. It will set a high bar for the Eastern Conf & we’ll chase it.
Apparently D'antoni did say
“I know NY is the best place to be, so I’m stunned” when asked about LeBron going to Miami. I still don’t believe that’s happening, I really don’t.
where is this at?
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
ughh
man im not even gonna look for this shyt anymore.. Im at a point now where it doesnt matter at all… if i lose 80$ then thats that lol.. if i accept bron isnt signing.then ill be good later if he does decide to say M.i.a
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
Oh..
well that just seems that they don’t really know, or they just aren’t saying it outright.
KEEP LEE!!!
Wouldn't it be crazy if
LeBron was actually planning to choose NY, but then Dolan got pissed at all this shit and decided to just use up the cap on Randolph/Azuibuke/Turiaf? Ha! Then LeBron would have to scramble. Shoes on the other foot now!
Just the kind of thing Dolan would do, too. It would be kind of tradge, but also kind of funny.
but.....
FisolaNYDN
Now we now why Donnie thanked Isiah Thomas today at the press conference. Knicks sent Zeke to Akron to make one last pitch for LeBron
jerome jordan is officially a knick
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
atleast we got 1 piece of good news (other then amare officially is a knick)
by J3TSFANFORLYF3 on Jul 8, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn, there's a thread on realgm.com
According to Miami Herald, Wade doesn’t want LeBron in Miami?!?!?! In the words of Scooby Doo (eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer); In the words of Shaggy (zooooooooooinks!)
Never underestimate the power of a neck brace and wheelchair. In Donnie Walsh I trust!
i must have over looked that one...
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
link?
Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do
http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1031045
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At this point, I don't believe anything until LeBron says it - like has been said 50,0000000 other times this is a pretty bad showing if Miami is already his choice
and his “inner circle” (God, fuck that phrase) has made it that obvious. Kinda shooting yourself in the foot, amirite? Considering ESPN, SBNation and every other sports site in the universe is reporting it like it’s fact, why even bother tuning in?
At 9:10, I’ll know for sure. Before that, fuck everything else. I don’t care if Pat Riley raises up out of the Garden floor, head spinning and spitting blood with a demonic voice yelling “YOU LOST”, nothing’s official ’till tonight.
And even if he does go to Miami (Fuck Florida in general – old people and the Marlins), he’s gonna hear it for the rest of his life “He couldn’t win by himself, he couldn’t do what Jordan/Kobe did, he needed to team up with the ‘super friends’ to do it, Jordan’s still the greatest, Kobe’s still better than him”.
Like I said, build the best squad we possibly can and make it clear to any prospective FA’s that this team’s one goal is to win and, when the time is right, decimate the Miami Heat.
FisolaNYDN
The Heat sent Pat Riley while the Knicks sent a guy that doesn’t even work for the organziation. Not yet anyway
i hope he is kidding bout isiah coming back to the knicks unless zeke was to persuade lebron to come then i will give him a desk job answering my phones lol
for this year if the sign and trade goes through.. bring in ridnour for 1 year.. o you have
Ridnour
Douglas
Walker
Routins
Fields
Azubukie
Gallo
Chandler
Amare
Turiaf
Randolph
Curry
and than next year once curry and ridnours contracts come off the books, we can sign melo and a minimum salary big man
so we have..
Douglas
Walker
Routins
Fields
Carmelo
Azubukie
Gallo
Chandler
Amare
Turiaf
Randolph
MIN SALARY BIG MAN
what do you guys think?
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
that roster is sexy!!!!
Our own big three, galo, stat, and melo!!! Plus DWTDD showing the rest ropes!!!
With the way money is throwing around
The way everybody is overpaying for FAs, I think Ridnour will get a better offer someplace than just a one year deal. I mean, Chris Duhon got 15 mil!
by wilson chandler's neck tattoo on Jul 8, 2010 5:56 PM EDT reply actions
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