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Ok, I want this to stop before it starts.

I see it creeping up in numerous Fanposts.  Its already fucking annoying too.  We JUST finished this pining over a certain player who has decided to play elsewhere. The lesson we should have learned? We DO NOT need any ONE player in NY.  We are building a team and we are gonna take this league by storm.  Seriously.  Look at the pieces coming together rather quickly.  Everyone is writing us off and mocking us.  I already love what we have.  Let's not fuck it up now.

I'm making a motion right the fuck now to STOP TALKING ABOUT CHRIS PAUL.

Take a minor leap

Star-divide

There are TONS of reasons why it is far to early to even think about trading for him or signing him. 

-His contract is up in TWO years.  NOT next season when Carmelo Anthony possibly becomes a free agent. 

-New Orleans LOVES Chris Paul

-They do not give a flying fuck that they have a 2nd excellent PG in Darren Collison.  They want to keep both of them. 

-They do not care that they are losing money.  Chris Paul stays.  IF...and thats a huuuuge 'if' they opt to move Chris Paul, it will not be until his contract year or maybe the summer before!!

-When the times comes for a trade, it will require a huge package of players/draft picks/expiring $. With the way our roster is shaping up, is it really necessary for us to rape and pillage our future like that for Chris Paul? I am definitely a fan of the guy, but that is gonna be a lot to give up.

 

Seriously, lets collectively stop with this lovefest for the best player that-is-soon-to-be-available.  We are this close to starting a new HWSNBN...

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Can we talk about Carmello though?

I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.

Vince Lombardi

by moose35 on Jul 9, 2010 6:53 PM EDT reply actions  

No.

Lets talk about our 2010-11 Knicks please. Less stressful.

by JerzeeBalla on Jul 9, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont care if dudes get mentioned

but none of this type shit:
 “no we can’t do that because then we can’t afford Melo”
“wait, does Melo have a beef with that guy?”
“doesn’t this guy play the same position of Melo?”
“Nah I don’t like that guy cus he wouldn’t mesh well with Melo”

"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."

by Chris Child's Fist on Jul 9, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

DAAAANG

LoL, i think we need another guy. There are alot of good teams in the east now, chicago is getting better, boston is better, orlando about the same, cleveland…we wont go there. milwaukee is better, but so are we which is good. But i think that melo would be a great fit.

by Phillip P on Jul 9, 2010 7:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed CCF

If certain Knicks fans want to pipedream about unattainable superstars we might as well lower our IQ’s to the point were we are saying “Lets wait until D. Howard can opt out” or “Lets wait until Derrick Rose gets tired of Chicago”…

DWDWD… Do What Donnie Walsh Do

by ap3604 on Jul 9, 2010 8:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Don't Get It

What’s the Problem? Chris Paul would be really good on the Knicks. He’s an All Star player.

by enron4515 on Jul 9, 2010 8:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Preemptive rejection of the attractive yet challenging target

Like avoiding the hottie at the bar because she’s clearly “high maintenance”

by Left Coast Cowboy on Jul 9, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

no

we are at the bar with our GF and the hottie has a BF with her.

Its just not needed. If and when we have an available spot and she is available we can talk about her.

Look, dream a little, but it’s not cool to obsess.

I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.

by gbaked on Jul 9, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey if you're looking to be BFFs with Chandler, Felton, and Turiaf that's cool

And I don’t see anyone trying to stop you.

But why you gotta knock someone for thinking the crew might be ready for bigger and better things with a Melo, CP3 or Okafor instead?

Last I checked, part of our buzz was still around flexibility and room for growth. And the odds of a Melo or CP3 signing, while not great, are A LOT better than Kobe, Durant, etc….so that’s just a red herring.

Some like to focus on what is, other’s on what could be. It’s not like we’re gonna run outta ink and paper around here.

by Left Coast Cowboy on Jul 9, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

The grass is always greener on the otherside, dude.

C’mon now. No one is saying we don’t want those guys, but that it waaaayyy to early to plan our future team around them.

It really is akin to trying to trade for John Wall right now. I’m sure the Wizards wouldn’t turn down an astronomically high priced package for him, but thats not the point. The point is New Orleans and Denver don’t need to trade their marquee guys and have little incentive to do so.

"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."

by Chris Child's Fist on Jul 9, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since I'm new to P&T

I can only imagine how much King James, Wade, Bosh, etc. scenario shit you’ve been wading through the last year or more…so it’s understandable that you might want a break from all that. Also, I agree completely that we now have the best team and situation going in NY that we’ve had since the Spreewell days, and we should all appreciate how far we’ve come…or be forced to wander ’round Jersey till we realize how much worse things easily could be right now.

That said, I don’t think it’s ever too soon to think about the future. I imagine Donnie has probably 50 players targeted and 20 different scenarios laid out that he thinks can help the Knicks. All stack ranked so when he decides to move on from plan A, plan B is ready to move in and take up the slack. For some of us it’s fun to think about those scenarios – what could happen and why – and makes us even more excited about our team and what it could become. None of it’s certain, and all sorts of hurdles lie between us and a championship, but if we want a ring we need to have a team we really believe is good enough to contend.

It’s all good though, CCF. I respect your defending the boyz we got, cuz they deserve it. Hopefully us wannabe GMs don’t rile ya too bad when we start spouting off about this or that. Usually the broader band of bloggers is pretty good about knocking down the dumbshit quick. Sometimes, though, something new and inspiring just might stand up to the critique of the masses…dare to dream.

by Left Coast Cowboy on Jul 10, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

we are all Armchair GMs, my friend. And lets be honest, we know better than these guys running things too :-)

But like I said, I don’t want to ignore guys like Melo and Paul, but at the same time I’d rather not treat them as “future Knicks” and assume they are coming here. At least not yet.

You know, the way we sculpt these ‘potential lineups’ that pop up, we add guys like Anthony, Paul, Parker, and its a videogame team of superstars, lol. It looks fantastic too!! But you know, we end up talkin about guys who are major cornerstones of their current teams and are under contract for another couple years, so when you break it down, its kinda like “well…why would they break up their team now? Why move their cornerstone for Eddy Curry’s expiring contract? You know, stuff like that.”

In any case, keep postin dude, you’ve got good input to contribute here!

I just noticed that people are starting to jump in a lot of threas wth comments like “Dude, lets just get CP3 to solve our PG probs. Fuck LeBron, lets get Melo” “Hey, we need a center, how about getting the best center in the NBA!” See what I mean? :-)

"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."

by Chris Child's Fist on Jul 10, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

in light of this, then...

CAN WE PLEASE PUT A MORATORIUM ON THE “HOW WE CAN TRADE FELTON” CRAP?! Damn, dude hasn’t even put ink to paper and we got him traded. WTF! I’m not a guy who woulda said lets get Felton, I would rather wait to see for sure if we can get “the others”, but he’s here (soon, I guess), because he was the best PG available here and now, and MDA and DW are putting the pedal to the metal to crreate the best possible team from the best possible parts available, and I have to say, I’m pretty fucking impressed. I’m not the cursing type, but the point needed to be driven home. These guys have done their homework, out in the work, and immediately impacted Amar’e, as the centerpiece, with a team with the POTENTIAL to do some serious damage.n This is gonna make or break MDA, but this is the best possible proving ground for his SSOL. Not some who’s who of the Magic Kingdom where the X’s and O’s get buried in egos, but where hard work, team chemistry, and a commitment to the system bears fruit. If you want to see how a real world team is built, jump off the bronwagon and hop aboard the DW Express, last stop the NBA Finals (hopefully sooner than later – dude deserves a proper send-off).

by screamedia on Jul 10, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

word man word

rec’d while we’re at it

by PTfromRP on Jul 11, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

i would totally be bff with chandler

we could get stoned and go to movies and shit…

I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.

by gbaked on Jul 10, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bad example, cause for the more creative and observant of us

we notice that she is not really into her boyfriend and our girlfriend just told us she was bi-sexual. make a long story short play it right and you end up with them both! LOL But I digress i get the point.

by Robert Currence on Jul 10, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

i am sure the majority of sport blog commenter here are well versed in stealing girlfriends to turn into threesomes. That happens all the time.

I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.

by gbaked on Jul 11, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol

you didn’t get the expression man…if I’m right on Rob’s post…our team now is great and getting Melo would be great too, if we play our cards right we can have both but for now lay low and enjoy what we got but keep ya head up for Melo in the future, cause our girl (the Knicks) will want Melo (the other dime) later for that menage a twa. ;)

Donnie's bout to beat the NBA game like he got a cheat code

by Kupe on Jul 12, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

But can she ball well with others?

Sometimes those low maintenance ones can turn into winners and they probably wont break your heart or the bank either. I like plan B better than Plan A. Let Mr. LeBron Pippen take his reality show circus to Miami. I would much rather we develop our own stars and a high energy cohesive group that doesn’t quit on their team mates and fans.

by bobzillla on Jul 10, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hell yeah Chris Paul would be nice on the Knicks

so would Kobe Bryant.

So would Tim Duncan.

So would Kevin Durant.

Any team’s MARQUEE player would fit nice here. But they aren’t available and won’t be for a long time. So lets just move on please.

"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."

by Chris Child's Fist on Jul 9, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

in reply to all of you

i was joking. i agree completely with the main post. i enjoyed your responses to me.

by enron4515 on Jul 9, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotta rec that

I’m an antiquated expression enthusiast.

"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy

by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Jul 10, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely Rec'd.

I don’t get it. Knicks fans were get hard-ons for all these other non-Knicks last year, but I put up with it because the Knicks sucked and were so unwatchable. Now Donnie is putting a competitive and tough (yeah, take a look at our roster) team together, and you still want to squawk about the availability of other all-stars?

Look a team can always improve, alright. It’s okay to want to get better. But don’t ignore the guys on the roster right now, like they don’t have a shot at the playoffs. That’s the attitude that made me so sick last year.

by StarksMiddleFinger on Jul 9, 2010 8:37 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

right, enough of the "grass is greener" shit.

When big name players become available, the Knicks will be in position to jump. You can thank Donnie Walsh for that, since the guys we are adding are not long term contracts, aside from Amar’e Stoudemire, and we should get used to having him in orange & blue for a long time.

"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."

by Chris Child's Fist on Jul 9, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Amen Bro

We are stacked right now, let them mock.
Stat
Danillo
Walker
Randolph
Chandler
Douglas
Felton
etc….

Proud Knick Fan!!

by TheLugo on Jul 9, 2010 11:10 PM EDT reply actions  

God I love that roster...

So much future potential and huge flexibility ahead =]

by ap3604 on Jul 10, 2010 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed completely

this roster is fun to watch unlike other years with players like francis and marbury

by Mario P on Jul 10, 2010 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

seriously

that roster is stacked talent, and not handicapping at all. hopefully isiah was taking notes.

"Game Knows Game"

by Ray Smuckles on Jul 10, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

isaiah

Isaiah can take all the notes he wants, but please, not as GM or any other decision-making capacity for the Knicks.

by Clyde1970 on Jul 15, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

can we also talk about

how there are just way too many fanposts right now. ya’ll shitted on the most art-imitates-life posting and toasting fanpost eva!

crumbs!

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http://aightthen.tumblr.com/

by stingy d on Jul 10, 2010 1:26 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

yeah I can barely keep up

"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."

by Chris Child's Fist on Jul 10, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Imust admit...

I was tempted to put one up myself.

Fan's Creed: (Play well+Win=Praise) (Play Well+Lose=Praise) (Play Lousy+Win=Criticism) (Play lousy+Lose & Bandwagon Jumpers=Off with thier heads!)

by LoNJDTechnology on Jul 10, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

mad props you you

Go check out stingy d’s post y’all. It encapsulates all.

by fuhry on Jul 10, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

i'm just giving you all a hard time...

but i figured since we’s complainin about conduct and all…

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by stingy d on Jul 10, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know that I am not a basketball guru but...

We just went through a period where we thought that “a certain guy” was coming to New York and dude decided to go somewhere else. Why are we so sure that Melo will be coming here? Can someone please explain that to me. I read what Amar’e Stoudemire said but how can we be so sure. I just don’t want a another “certain guy” momment,

Fan's Creed: (Play well+Win=Praise) (Play Well+Lose=Praise) (Play Lousy+Win=Criticism) (Play lousy+Lose & Bandwagon Jumpers=Off with thier heads!)

by LoNJDTechnology on Jul 10, 2010 9:20 AM EDT reply actions  

well

they will come knocking at the MSG if we show them that we can be competitive.

by mindcontrolproject on Jul 10, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dude just wants us to finally start living in the moment again!

We’re here now with our NY Knick 2010 2011 team! It’s more than a basketball lesson it’s a life lesson…..can’t continue to covet something else. It feels good to have our pride and dignity back after fawning over what was never to be.

"Umm - it was - you know - umm - a good game. You know."-
Patrick Ewing (my Knick Hero)

by Ren Carlos on Jul 10, 2010 5:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Im with CC’s Fist…

this quote says it all for me: “Seriously, lets collectively stop with this lovefest for the best player that-is-soon-to-be-available. We are this close to starting a new HWSNBN…”

I hated the idea of getting Lebron in the first place… This is not the NBA i grew up watching, where stars went to war with each other…. seriously if Larry Bird was a free agent back in the day is there a knick fan alive that wanted him to come to NY? When reggie miller was available and the NY tabloids were campaigning for him to be a knick i was bewildered I couldn’t believe what I was reading.

I don’t want the knicks to be whoring for stars ever again!

by Knicks Fan in OZ on Jul 10, 2010 9:10 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

lol

you mean you don’t want the knicks to win ever again? You need stars to win. So, unless you would rather wait 10 years, hoping we run into a LeBron/Duncan in the draft, get ready to start whoring.

by al's brick foundation on Jul 12, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

ya know what

I don’t really even care about whether your right. I like watching good basketball and rooting for the Knicks. I don’t like fawning over other teams players. I prefer not to believe that getting some other teams ‘superstar’ is the only way to get a championship.

Does that make me stupid? No, because I have fun being a Knick fan. I don’t have fun thinking ‘Oh, if only melo would sign here…. what can we do to get Melo or CP3’.

So yes, if it comes down to waiting on these ‘superstars’ to please choose me, or doing without a championship, I’ll choose the latter. But I refuse to believe it comes down to that choice.

If you’re a fan, you have to care about something other than that trophy because most years, you ain’t gonna get it. If you want your whole life as a fan to be miserable, keep on keeping that god-damned trophy as the only thing you love.

I’m just saying I would rather spend my time getting to know and appreciate the players we have, than speculate and hope and wish and pray for some jesus figure to come and rescue my team. I think they will win more games than they lose this year and produce some pretty satisfying and entertaining basketball. I’m excited about this and really don’t want to talk about melo or CP3 right now.

by fuhry on Jul 12, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

She's not coming and never was

You’re right. We’ve got to stop this mooning for the next great player who becomes available. I’d rather have a gritty bunch of hardworking no-names who van win.

by bobzillla on Jul 10, 2010 11:29 PM EDT reply actions  

The thing is,

gritty no name players don’t win shit. You guys are so funny, you talk about winning, but think we can do it led by Gallinari. Even the Mavs can’t win with Dirk, which is what Gallo’s upside is.

by al's brick foundation on Jul 12, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pistons won

Their best player was? Billups? He’s great sure…but he aint a superstar

Donnie's bout to beat the NBA game like he got a cheat code

by Kupe on Jul 12, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

They do win shit

They win games. Quite a few of them.

Besides, players become ‘Names’ when they win a 2nd round playoff series.

Maybe teams make superstars, and not the other way around.

by fuhry on Jul 12, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry man, that is definitely NOT what we think.

We are into developing a TEAM and putting the right players in place.

Just getting the best players in the game doesn’t guarantee you shit. Miami aint guaranteed any rings, and Boston had to earn its Championship, as did LA.

Superstars help, but in the end, chemistry wins. And the mindset of “well, i like what the Knicks have but we should still go after Chris Paul or Carmelo Anthony and we would be better” is a statement right from Captain Obvious. BUT, this thread is about seeing what our team has NOW and not thinking that we cannot win big until we get those other guys.

When those guys are deemed available, then sure, talk em up. But for now, lets keep analyzing what we already have. Shit, this team hasn;t even played a game yet and already peeps are looking to trade pieces and upgrade.

"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."

by Chris Child's Fist on Jul 12, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

"looking to trade pieces and upgrade"

Would you trade for sayyyyyyyyyyyy….a Melo? If they had a 2 for 1 boyo, I’d sure like a shiny new CP3!!! Boy Howdy! Can we get em now? Can we can we?

by screamedia on Jul 12, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

gallo

Beg to differ-Gallo’s tougher than Dirk by far, and a much better leader. Whether he actually goes to the next level is something we should just root for and enjoy.

by Clyde1970 on Jul 15, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dirk did come within 2 wins of a chip

Jus sayin.

"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy

by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Jul 15, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah... disagree.

"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."

by Chris Child's Fist on Jul 16, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

too early to tell

gallo appears to have more backbone than early dirk tho.

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by stingy d on Jul 17, 2010 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

really the only things he's got in common with Dirk are they're tall

European and have great outside shots.

Dirk may have been a better scorer earlier in his career, but Dirk also didn’t have POSs like Al Harrington stealing all their shots. Dirk was #1 on his team for a while.

Gallo seems like he’s gonna legit be the #2 option, so he’s gonna be able to shine a bit more.

Go New York Go!

by FreeBradshaw on Jul 17, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

The thinking behind Melo

Is that it actually looks like he might not sign that extension and consider NY. LeBron never showed signs of coming here, he was just a FA that we wanted to have and thought we’d get him because of what we have to offer to him money and flexibility wise. But Melo is a New Yorker, grew up playing basketball here, and becomes a FA next offseason if he doesn’t sign it. You never know, but if we’re at the trade deadline, Denver is barely making the playoffs and Carmelo didn’t sign that extension yet…you can bet Walsh makes a phone call. It’s a lot of ifs, but I wouldn’t call Carmelo a pipe dream. CP3, I totally agree with you though.

I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.

Vince Lombardi

by moose35 on Jul 11, 2010 1:07 PM EDT reply actions  

LBJ and CP3 are/were pipe dreams. But Carmelo...

carmelo has made very clear that he would LOVE to play in NY, plus he’s only a year away and he could possibly be traded before that. I think it’s wise to make sure you leave enough cap room to offer him max, because carmelo/amare is 2 out of a “big 3” that usually wins championships.

by jayvb on Jul 11, 2010 1:12 PM EDT reply actions  

You don't need a Big 3 to win a championship

I’d say a starting lineup of Felton-Walker-Melo-Raldolph-Amare should compete for a championship if everybody stays healthy. We’d have a deep bench too.

I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.

Vince Lombardi

by moose35 on Jul 11, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

CP3 is not totally unrealistic...here's why

1st – The owner is trying to sell the team, and is notoriously cheap
2nd – CP3 has said he’d push for a trade if he didn’t think his team would ever compete for a championship
3rd – NO would love to dump Okafor’s contract, and will only be able to by using CP3 as bait
4th – NO #2 PG (Collison) seems to be an above average starter in his own right.
5th – CP3 and Amare are friends and would become the best PnR tandem since Stockton/Malone

These sorts of deals do happen, and the Lakers got Gasol for shiny box of rocks because Memphis was for sale and wanted to shed payroll.

Not saying he would come cheap and easy, but between Gallo, AR, TD, Walker, Chandler, Turiaf (or the Ruskie) and Curry’s expiring contract, we can package a couple of young/cheap/exciting players for AND allow NO to shed ~$20M in payroll. Will it make them a better team? No. But it would probably make them a profitable team that’s easier to sell. This is the type of deal that a team like the Hornets would have to consider…especially if CP3 starts pushing for it on their side.

Melo would be a great addition, but my dream scenario is trading for CP3+Okafor, and then turning Felton+1 into a strong SG+backup PG (assuming we sent TD to NO).

I love our current team, and if they don’t change all year I’m OK with that…but I think the moves above could turn us into a real championship contender, so I’ll keep hope alive until we clearly choose a different path.

by Left Coast Cowboy on Jul 11, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

and I'm saying the Lakers didn't plan 2 years ahead of time to get Pau Gasol

4 of those 5 things are true, yes. But while it’s not unrealistic, I think it is early to talk it up as an idea yet. Now, also, since the #1 & #2 have happened, New Orleans has adamantly said they will NOT be trading Chris Paul. So lets believe them for now.

When February comes, maybe its a different story though. Same with Carmelo Anthony.

"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."

by Chris Child's Fist on Jul 11, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't confuse "we CAN get CP3" with "we MUST get CP3"

I want to keep hope alive, not hitch our cart to someone else’s star. Is it too early to worry about whether or not we WILL get CP3 or Melo or anyone else? Absolutely! Both those deals have long odds and would almost certainly come at next year’s trade deadline if at all. But as you pointed out, that comes in ~6 months not 2 years. Memphis signed Gasol to a multi-yr. extension and called him “the cornerstone of the franchise” in the off season before he got traded…so we’ll see how things play out.

I’m not counting the Knicks in, I’m saying don’t count us out. Because if a deal does go down, and we want in, we have a lot more than blind faith to give us hope.

by Left Coast Cowboy on Jul 12, 2010 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am with you

Let us just focus on the guys who are wearing orange and blue. You guys might end up being presently surprised we might have a team that somewhere during the season becomes competitive.

by Robert Currence on Jul 11, 2010 10:29 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

LeBron's a free agent in six years

I think we should start clearing cap space and working on our pitch to him now. Standing ovations all around for the future king of New York! amirite

by twincitiesknick on Jul 12, 2010 7:48 AM EDT reply actions  

LOL...I'm with you

he said he loves NY, so we definately have a shot…

by Jason Bee on Jul 12, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

u seen him with that yankee hat

It’s obvious he loves ny. We could develop young guys and use our next draft picks to trade for him before his contract expires

Toney does what the douglas do. And no one can do what he does b/c doing it without being Toney Douglas just doesnt make it do what it do

by semsemma on Jul 12, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

On another note

Do you think Nate Robinson will sign with Miami?

by fuhry on Jul 12, 2010 11:36 AM EDT reply actions  

God forbid we as Knick fans want (gasp!!)

good players on our team. I get being excited by the moves we have made, but if you think the roster as currently constructed is going anywhere at all besided maybe a 7 or 8 seed, you are kidding yourself. So yes, bring me Chris Paul or Carmelo Anthony, because we’re not winning a title with Gallinari, Staudemire and Randolph as our go to guys.

by al's brick foundation on Jul 12, 2010 2:17 PM EDT reply actions  

It's not that people don't want them.

It just doesn’t do anyone any good to discuss the hypotheticals ad nauseam like we did with Lebron. Go read hoopys hype or inside hoops for rumors. We don’t need that shit here.

"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy

by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Jul 12, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough.

I just get annoyed seeing tons of comments saying “I don’t want a star, I want a whole bunch of team players who try hard and play gritty!!”

Well, those teams don’t win shit. I understand not getting caught up on a specific star, but whether it be thru the draft, thru trade, thru free agency, you have to get a star player, probably 2, to win a championship in the NBA. We have Amare, and a nice supporting cast of guys in Chandler, Gallo, DWTDD, Walker, Randolph, etc., but we are going to need that Melo type of player to get to the level we want to be at.

by al's brick foundation on Jul 12, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fine, But is Melo on the Roster? No he is not

So focus on what you have, then if next year the hot neighbor from across the hall breaks up with her boyfriend and knocks on your door and offers to suck your cock and then make you waffles. That’s great! But it does you no good to sit around talking about how it would be great for her to do so until you actually have a shot at it.

by Robert Currence on Jul 13, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also, fwiw.

If you “don’t need that shit here”, you can ignore those comments/threads, just like the people who want Carmelo at all costs can ignore posts like this.

by al's brick foundation on Jul 12, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

why not?

Gallo’s 22, Randolph is 21. Patience.

Bye, Lee :(

by FreeBradshaw on Jul 12, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

i guess al is thinking in terms of today

i agree that if game 1 of the finals was this evening, gallo, amare, and randolph wouldn’t stand up against the lakers. But it isn’t today. It’s in June. June 2011. oh, and 2012, i think.

"Game Knows Game"

by Ray Smuckles on Jul 12, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Part of the Impatience is about striking while we have Prime Amar'e

No one expects us to contend this year, and probably not next year either (maybe, but unlikely).

After that you have a 30 yr. old Amar’e who, even if he stays healthy, has maybe 2-3 prime years left before he starts declining year-after-year. Competition is fierce, and even the best teams usually don’t get more than 3-4 years when they’re really in contention to win it all. So committing $100M to a 28 yr. old means to me the team IS looking to make a run at the Championship within 2-3 years.

This leaves some of us scratching our head, and wondering…how?

by Left Coast Cowboy on Jul 12, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

it all depends on how the league unfolds

you cant assume there are no key injuries or sudden super breakout years. Nothing goes by the book, man. Shit, this new Knicks team could end up worse than last year. they could also make a deep playoff run.

And yes, we absolutely looking to get a championship within 2-3 years.

"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."

by Chris Child's Fist on Jul 13, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

How it is simple.

First you get a system and players who fit it. Then you allow those players time to work together and develop cohesiveness on the floor, that is when a team can perfect a system. You allow time for young players to develop and you add veteran pieces if necessary. Consider thins Amar’e is well Amar’e. Everybody says that Gallo has a skill set similar to Dirk and could develop into that kind of player. And Randolph is a guy who reminds me of a young KG. Right down to the erractic play. Now imagine having Stoudemire, a 24 year old Dirk, and a 23 Year old KG, in a system they fit and have developed in. Even without certain individuals who shall not be named, that could be a scary thought. And one difficult team to guard.

by Robert Currence on Jul 15, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

simple

excellent points. The truth is at this point, its up to MDA to mesh these pieces. The “Heat” is on Mike now, as he said at the end of last year, no playoffs in ‘10-’11 means he’ll be gone. I also think his rep has taken major hits over the past 2 years. Another question-i assume (and hope) Amar’e is down with playing the 5?

by Clyde1970 on Jul 15, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, the "Heat" is on Eric Spolestra and Pat Riley

how stupid does Miami look if this new “super team” sucks? They cant just make the playoffs…they have to be a #1 or #2 seed. They also have to get to at least the Conference Finals, otherwise…massive failure. Seriously, don’t care what your Big 3 are, that is a very difficult expectation to deal with.

"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."

by Chris Child's Fist on Jul 16, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought this topic was going to be about

all this “pausing” going on. Wise man say, little go long way..

by s lemon on Jul 14, 2010 2:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Although I agree with the sentiment

I have a question that perhaps one of you would know:
Common sense tells us that Carmelo will sign an extension because the new CBA might create unfavorable cap and salary rules.
However, what if Carmelo doesn’t sign an extension and forces Denver’s hand to trade him before the trade deadline. Doesn’t the team that acquires him in that trade will be able to extend his contract according to the current CBA? Isn’t that also a possibility?

Y’all really like Alan Hahn here, and on thursday (on that MSG special free-agent show) he seemed to imply that the current knicks roster is not the final product, and that the three amigos we had acquired from Golden State should be considered more as assets than cornerstones. Just saying.

by Nilov on Jul 17, 2010 11:34 AM EDT reply actions  

common sense may say that...

but if you look at it, that whole “star in NY” thing is legit. Melo may/probably sign that extension, but maybe he has people looking out for him that realize he stands to make 5-10x his contract if he goes to NY and takes this city for his own?

I’m sure the Knicks would love to trade for Melo, and yea…probably that means Randolph as a trade piece if Denver is willing. And I’m pretty sure they manage to acquire him, they can re-sign him under the current deal as well.

Everything depends. I doubt that the roster will chance much before the season. Maybe they do get Rudy Fernandez from Portland (think Hahn himself has said they want Gallo…so fuck Portland) if the price comes down.

Denver’s gonna want to contend, which they can. Melo’s going nowhere. He can sign that deal under the current CBA I’m pretty sure until July 1, 2011. So he’s got time.

Now if Denver for whatever reason is not contending, and Melo’s deal still isn’t signed, then you can look for that as a possibility.

Well..you may have to see what the Knicks are doing as well! Cuz if the current squad is contending and outperforming all expectations…why trade? Melo’s mainly a scorer, and a great one at that.

If the Knicks are doing very well, Donnie would be pretty dumb to trade for him and disrupt chemistry.

Go New York Go!

by FreeBradshaw on Jul 17, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

The thing with Carmelo...

Alan Hahn is right. This Knicks team is NOT championship ready, so it should not at all be considered a final product. That doesn’t mean we won’t be good (we will), but yeah, we also have assets. One of those assets may less likely be Anthony Randolph, but like Bradshaw notes… gotta see how things play out this season.

Now, yeah, the CBA is gonna change and the rumor is it will more owner-happy in that max salaries will be lowered, contract lengths could be shorter too, amongst other things. Its very difficult for any player to leave a 3yr $65 extension on the table (that would put Carmelo’s current contract at about $100Mil, fyi. Now, obviously, no one knows the real reason he has yet to sign said extension, but the speculation says he is interested in how NY plays and that he might be unsuire of how Denver’s progress is and is going to be. They now have a lot of questions going into the season.

The question on Melo’s mind is surely “Can Denver still compete for that championship?” They haven’t made any moves this summer aside from Harrington and they spent more $$ than they should on him. They still have holes in their frontline too (Martin/Nene are risks to injury). My personal opinion is Carmelo is mostly waiting to see how George Karl handles his health. I think the Nuggets have gone as far as they can go, and if they play .500 ball and George Karl decides this is his final year coaching…then Carmelo is gonna want to be traded.

IF he signs his extension, Denver will NOT trade him. Now, if he gets moved at the trade deadline to say, NY… well, I am pretty sure the Knicks have until the end of the season to sign him to an extension. I don’t think they would have until July 1st, but sometime in June.

"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."

by Chris Child's Fist on Jul 19, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

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