Knicks offer Danilo, Curry, 1st rounder for Melo
by jayvb on Aug 17, 2010 4:19 PM EDT
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PrintMichael Kay is reporting right now on ESPN 1050 that the Knicks have offered Danilo Gallinari, Eddy Curry, and a 1st round pick for Carmelo.
I'm OK with offering Danilo since having him and Carmelo would be redundant. In any other trade I would rather offer Anthony Randolph but when trading for an elite SF there's no reason not to offer Danilo.
Also, it's looking like we will never have a first round pick again. But a team with Amare/Melo/Felton/Randolph is right up there with the other east teams besides the Heat.
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keep in mind
Michael Kay is literally the worst reporter/analyst/talk show host/announcer is the history of sports
Gallo and Melo are NOT redundant.
or at least they’re not in Pringles system. You can never have too many shooters in this system.
Kay can go eat shit, and I hope that if they did offer a deal, that its Anthony Randolph instead.
you'd rather trade AR than gallo?
Obviously both have enormous potential, but Id rather have the shot-blocker. With felton/amare/melo, we have plenty of offense, we would just need the 4th guy to be a shooter, azabuike is good enough. We dont need the complete skill set that gallo has, which is why i think gallo is more expendable.
If we trade AR we lose a lot of skills that noone else on the team has. Id rather have AR/melo than gallo/melo.
And it works the other way around – if we were trading for an elite PF/C, than id rather keep gallo
Gallo is more of a complete player...
so you’d rather trade the less complete player?
Gallo’s potential is greater then Randy’s. Gallo’s a better player now. I’d rather make the Knicks better, so keep Gallo.
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 17, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
similar to the hornets trading collison and getting ariza. Collison is probably a better player but ariza will make the hornets better since they already have CP3. Gallinari is a little better but I think the knicks would be better with AR/Melo than Gallo/Melo
its actually not even close to the same...
the Hornets have CP3, a top 3 player in the NBA already on the roster. There’s nothing blocking Gallo from starting, not even Melo if he came here.
Also, the Hornets wanted to get rid of Posey’s POS contract and actually get a player that works with the team in Ariza.
Gallo is better then AR. He fits better then AR…I’d rather trade AR.
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 17, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Really...
If Melo came here, he would be the starting small forward, no questions asked. Gallo might start at PF if we got Melo. I agree with jayvb completely. You have to work with players that would fit better with eachother. Randolph is a PF and Gallo is a SF. Melo is a SF. Put 2 and 2 together.
you're putting 2 and 2 together
when they’re not gonn be put anywhere near each other.
There’s no positions in Pringles system, essentually. David Lee is not a Center. Wilson Chandler is not a SG.
Melo can play “SG” or “SF” and Gallo can play the other.
Actually, if we’re putting 2 and 2 together, Randolph is the one that doesn’t fit cuz he’s not an outside shot, and too skinny to be a C (if you’re gonna go by traditional positions….).
“2” says there’s 2 positions. Put it together ,and Gallo and Melo works.
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 17, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
You misunderstood what I meant by "2 and 2"
It’ll take too long to explain right now because i’m stoned and it’s 1:04 AM. Lets reschedule this shall we!
sorry, i posted this on another thread earlier
but I think it bears repeating:
Look, I adore the Cock (super pause) but I think he has it in him to do, say, 75-80% of what Melo does if he reaches his ceiling. Melo averaged 26/6/3 per 36 minutes last season (vs. Gallo’s 16/5/2). If Gallo reaches his potential I don’t think per 36 numbers of 21/7/3 are out of the question at all. That’s damn good production at your SF spot, and Gallo is also younger and will always have a nicer long range shot. But… that’s all just potential, and Carmelo is an incredibly special player right now. If we can trade Gallo and some spare parts for Carmelo I would do it. I would be sad about it, because Gallo is just awesome and I want him to do great things in blue and orange, but I would do it.
Randolph, on the other hand, should be untouchable right now IMO. He’s the same age as Gallo and his per 36 numbers last year were 18/10/2.5blks/2ast. That is ridiculous for a 20 year old. I remember hearing that if Amar’e had been willing to agree to an extension with Golden State the Suns had agreed to trade Stat for Randolph in a trade similar to the one we pulled for Lee… but now instead we have BOTH Amar’e AND Randolph. We know Randolph has put on at 20+ lbs of muscle this summer, and Pringles is the perfect coach for him. What if he can develop a deadly mid-range jumper? At 6’11 with SF handles it’s not crazy to think he could put up numbers in the neighborhood of 25/11/2.5blks/3ast/2steals per 36 in the not-too-distant future. If Randolph reaches his ceiling, he will be better than Carmelo Anthony. And we would we absolutely out of our fucking minds to trade him before finding out if he can reach that level as a Knickerbocker.
I guess I must be one crazy motherfucker,
because for Melo, peace out Mr. Randolph. Funny, that somebody better then Melo just got traded with 2 other dudes for David Lee.
by al's brick foundation on Aug 17, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
???
“Funny, that somebody better then Melo just got traded with 2 other dudes for David Lee.”
What’s this???
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Aug 17, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
learn to read
I said AR could be better than Melo if he reaches his ceiling. Not that he is right now. Gallo probably does not have the potential to be better than Melo even if he reaches his ceiling. That’s why I trade Gallo if I have to trade one of them.
the main thing that makes me not give too much of a crap about per 36
is the guy didn’t do it in 36, at least in AR’s case.
Who the hell cares what his per 36 is? That’s what makes him more untouchable? What he might do if he actually played 36 minutes?
Gallo PLAYED 36 minutes a game. There’s no speculation on this per 36.
If per 36 is the only thing that says this…goodbye AR.
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 17, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
the reason he didn't get that kind of burn
is that Don Nelson is actually insane. AR is a little bit more of a project than Gallo at this point, but his potential is absolutely stratospheric and his ceiling is just higher than Gallo’s. And I really, really like Gallo. I think he could be an all-star, for sure. But AR has potentially game-changing, perennial All-NBA caliber tools at his disposal and I think he’s in the best possible situation now to put it all together. But frankly I’d be pissed if we gave up either one.
Well
I personally would rather trade Randolph, but with contracts, I think we need to either include Buike, Turiaf, or Chandler WITH Randolph to make it work, and I’m not sure if I’m cool with that. Then again I KNOW I’m not cool with trading Gallo
id rather trade AR
just because with teams having to guard melo and amare gallo would be getting many open 3s if he played the 2 next 2 melo
although moving amare 2 the 5 playing AR at the 4 and melo at the 3 would give the knicks a great front court
id rather have amare stay at the 4 melo at the 3 and gallo at the 2 with turiaf at the 5 to start games
When you post something like this, you have to post a link!
"As humans we strive for success but live with fear. If success was inevitable, fear cannot exist" Michael Kelley
I just heard it on the radio
so i didnt have anything in print to link to
Oh, I see.
"As humans we strive for success but live with fear. If success was inevitable, fear cannot exist" Michael Kelley
by MikeTheIntern on Aug 17, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not opposed to giving up Gallo or AR
If one of em has to go then they have to go. As long as it isn’t both. I see a lot of people saying “Why not wait?” the thing is if Melo actually does want that extension money but he wants to play elsewhere the only way both of those can be accomplished is by a sign and trade. That’s why we can’t wait. Of course he’s gonna want the money, if he wants to play here he’s telling his agent to get him sign and traded here. That’s why we’re gonna have to part with Gallo or AR.
"As humans we strive for success but live with fear. If success was inevitable, fear cannot exist" Michael Kelley
COMPLETELY AGREE WITH.....
Trading Randolph for Melo instead of Gallo…..
Melo, Gallo on the wing with Amare down low…..
I would rather have Melo, Gallo, Amare….. I can just see those three “jelling” in a serious way….. And put a real talented PG in that mix… and that is a title contender….. Hopefully Felton rises to the expectations he is capable of if this trade happens this summer.
Randolph has a higher potential than Gallo too!!!
Why would Denver want Gallo and not Randolph….
If I can make it there, I'll make it anywhere...It's up to you, New York, New York!!!!
cuz I think you got it the other way around
Gallo has higher potential, since he’s just scratching the surface but already is a very servicable player. At worst..he’ll be a Peja Stojakovic type gunner with a bit more quickness (Peja was a tortoise, but he got to the rack some).
And Gallo has that potential to be a Dirk, Larry Bird type of player.
AR is more of a Josh Smith type dude. He has a bit of an outside shot, lot better then Smith’s bricks, but he’s also scrawny.
…or maybe its the other way around? Maybe the Knicks know something we all don’t know…and feel AR is the untouchable one?
Either way..we’ll see. I hope they do the right thing and figure a way to keep the pups and get Melo too.
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 17, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Keeping them and getting Melo is highly unlikely
Melo is gonna want to get signed and traded, if there’s a way to go to the team he wants to and still get the money he’s gonna explore it. If he want to come here we have to give up one. Either that or keep both and give up our entire squad.
"As humans we strive for success but live with fear. If success was inevitable, fear cannot exist" Michael Kelley
by MikeTheIntern on Aug 17, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
that's why I'd rather wait till the trade deadline
or the offseason. The price is the highest now. At the deadline, it may even be possible another team trades for him even for the 1/2 season rental…why not if it doesn’t cost a ton and they can possibly win a chip. And I don’t even mind that.
I doubt the Knicks win a chip this year with Melo on the team (minus what they give up). Unless they’re somhow pulling back Nene in this….I’d rather wait.
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 17, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
well
what 1st rd pick could it be since the Knicks cant trade a 1st for a while
gotta be like 2012 right
I wouldnt trade Gallo or AR but thats just me
I hear its
possibly a protected 2014 1st rounder.
"As humans we strive for success but live with fear. If success was inevitable, fear cannot exist" Michael Kelley
by MikeTheIntern on Aug 17, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I like this offer
Still get to get Chandler and AR
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
TURRIBLE!
*get to have I mean
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
TURRIBLE!
yeah but......
its a good deal but I doubt Denver takes that
I have a problem trading Gallo too it just goes against everything Walsh and D’antoni started when they got here
I don't think that anyone else will take Melo
Rumors are he wants to stay in NY so why would other teams want a 1 year rental of Melo.
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
TURRIBLE!
yeah
I think he is basically a Knick too
but what if say Chicago jumps in (just hypothetical) and he plays with Rose for a season and likes it there
thats what im worried about
or maybe orlando offers vince carter
or some shit. the pre-mature shit always focuses on the knicks. oh wells! everybody must be scared of us, if we’re on their mind so god damn much.
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Are you from the south? They say "mane" down south. Like in Virginia
"As humans we strive for success but live with fear. If success was inevitable, fear cannot exist" Michael Kelley
by MikeTheIntern on Aug 17, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
lol.. i say mayne
but its not a va thing. even tho im here in va : /
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Exactly.
You can’t risk letting the opportunity to get a HOF-type player pass you buy. The guy is a game-changer, a closer, an unguardable talent at any time in any way.
Gallo is not, and probably won’t ever be, that ype of talent. Gallo will probably always need somebody else to create space in order for him to be his most effective.
Felton, Melo, AR, STAT, plus [big man to be determined] is as potent of a line-up as you can throw out there.
yeah
na I feel ya I just have a problem trading away the guy that the head coach and GM basically started the rebuild with
Cock can be Dirk who knows we gotta give him time
but in now way what so ever do I trade AR
I watched some tape on him today again and jesus man he just oozes talent
his arms are really skinny though
seriously AR eat a cheesburger…….or two
what if instead of trading gallo
they gave up chandler and azabuike
then give curry and the 1st rounder as well
maybe if denver insist they throw in any of this years second rounders
I would rather do that.
WE know that Gallo and AR have high potential, if they think Chandler has more then thats good, they’ll take him and Buike with Curry and picks and we can steal Melo. chances of that happening though… Meh.
"As humans we strive for success but live with fear. If success was inevitable, fear cannot exist" Michael Kelley
by MikeTheIntern on Aug 17, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
yea i know its a stretch
but if denver think they have no chance of resigning
and no other teams offer because they are worried that melo will leave 2 ny this summer anyway
then they may do it just so they dont get left empty handed like cleveland
if donnie can make a trade that also keeps gallo and AR
then idc who is in it mayb even tony douglas
what about walker chandler and azabuike with curry and a first rounder
im sure it makes the salaries work and denver gets 3 young players who all have potential to get better
If we can get thier back on the wall
And they start to feel pressure, they’ll go for that. At least I think they would. we need them to panic. Or if they’re just dumb they’ll do it with a smile on their face and not even mention Gallo or AR. I’d love it if we give up Buike, Chandler, Curry, Walker and a first rounder.
"As humans we strive for success but live with fear. If success was inevitable, fear cannot exist" Michael Kelley
by MikeTheIntern on Aug 17, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
yea thats exactly what im thinking
if all other nba teams really but into melo wants to come to ny and if hes not traded there hell end up there as an fa then they would not be willing to give up any valuable pieces in a trade and risk losing him after one year or less
the nuggets will then maybe take an offer like what mike mentioned
just because 3 young players, curry and a draft pick is better than nothing
I was just thinking that
Gallo for Carmello is not the question, the question is Gallo for Carmello when Carmello can be had for straight cash next year? With it being reported all over the place how much he wants to be here, why not wait it out and have him in a year. We got one big piece this summer and even if by next summer Carmello changes his mind, you don’t think another super star won’t bite the cash carrot and fall in love with the bright lights of the Garden?
We might not get someone on Carmello’s level but we’d get someone who could be aa nice fit with what we are currently building.
Not that I wouldn’t want Carmello here cuz I would, actually preferred him alot more to bitchass Lebron.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Aug 17, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't be angry if they offer Gallo
but I will be anyway, the way I feel is that anyone could go except Amare and Gallo. Any combo of any other Knick players is fine. Not that I don’t feel Melo isn’t worth a Gallo, cuz he is maybe two times over, but we have invested alot in Gallo already and he’s responded by showing nothing but promise.
I’d give them Wilson AND AR and a pick, even buike or as much as I like him Turiaf. Fuck give em all four or get another team in if you can swing either but I wouldn’t trade him.
I think that kid is gonna be great. You certainly don’t include him in your initial offer. Suppose they don’t think that’s enough??? Then we gotta give em Gallo + someone else and dude is a free agent after this season?
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Aug 17, 2010 10:11 PM EDT reply actions
Buggin.
The difference between Chandler and Gallo is negligible. You would give up Chandler, AR, and other pieces in lieu of Gallo? Not me. The argument is that Gallo will hit madd open 3’s with all the guys we have. A lot of guys can stand outside and shoot 3’s.
Chandler + Anthony Ranoldph >>>>>> Gallo.
by al's brick foundation on Aug 17, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
?
Chandler is not good at any skill, and has a low IQ. Gallo is great at (and getting better at) a lot of things. They are not even comparable. Chandler is extremely overrated, Gallo is underrated
he has low iq?
not good at anything?
The guy gets hurt for the rest of the year and ppl forget how at times he was our go to guy. If anything..chandler doesnt get enough recognition.. he is underrated. I rarely see anyone overrate the guy.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
while I wouldn't agree with jay's assessment
I wouldn’t say Chandler is a go to guy. If you can even call him that it would be a role handed to him by default.
Chandler has a good midrange game and is a strong finisher with excellent athleticism. I don’t buy into the notion that he has no skill whatsoever and subpar IQ.
The thing that really stifles him is that he plays so tentative and even in doing that he still produces adequate numbers worthy of a spot on any team as a role player whether starting or off the bench.
The trouble for us is we have had too many adequate pieces over the years and we are kinda due for an upgrade. Not that Will is bad, what he’s shown us over the years overall is good but is it good enough?
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Aug 18, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont see how he could ever start on a good team
Especially since he plays in the easiest to fill position in the NBA
He has the worst open-shot percentage IN THE NBA (28.1%). http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/238/not-a-throw-in-azubuike-could-earn-starting-role
H’es actually worse when he’s open. Which generally means he’s nervous or chokes.
my point is that I completely disagree with this:
The difference between Chandler and Gallo is negligible.
-al’s brick foundation
Chandler is young, has only been in the league what 3 yrs? and is putting up 15 and 5 despite anything else. No matter how flawed his game could be, I think alot of teams would start a player like that given the right circumstances.
I also happen to think Gallo is the better player with alot more upside but I’m not gonna sleight Will or deny him his merits because of it. He could use a better stroke but keep in mind he’s no two guard and players like Gallinari are the exception and not the rule at the 3 position.
You don’t find players Gallo’s height with his shooting ability to play the 3 spot, In fact forget the height most small forwards don’t even have Gallo’s shooting ability, so to project those expectations on Chandler is a bit much.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Aug 18, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Gallo at 6'10"
Should kinda play the 4 spot but he’s not strong enough and he’s more of a finesse player. Now with Amar’e and AR, he’ll pretty much stick to the 3, which means less minutes for Chandler, who is without a doubt, a natural 3. Will’s only played 3 seasons and averaged 15ppg 5rpg 1 stl and 1 block. And he’s been bothered by injuries the last two seasons.
If Chandler can stay healthy this season, not have to play the 2, and develop a more consistent jump shot, watch out! He’ll give the quietest 19ppg and 6rpg anyone has ever seen
I dont say
hes a go-to guy either..but the fact remains that when he was forced into that role for games last season… he made work of it. I know his jumper isnt consitent, but that may have been b/c of his ankle issues.
I was more talkin about how chandler isnt overrated. And how his name gets thrown around way too much around here. Chandler, AR, curry = melo ? I say fk it and let him sign outright in 2011
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
The thing with Chandler is
I don’t see him getting much better than he is now unless he gets a personality transplant. He has great athletic ability but he’s too passive to use it consistently. And the rest of his game that doesn’t revolve around that athleticism is decent but not exactly lighting the world on fire.
He is very dependable but to compare his upside to Gallo’s isn’t even fathomable. Will’s been with us for a minute now, with no real breakthroughs in his game or breakout season
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Aug 17, 2010 10:35 PM EDT reply actions
Chandler just doesn't seem too bright
and I agree he is relying on athletic ability. He isn’t a specialist in any one department and I’ve always thought he was highly replaceable.
"Umm - it was - you know - umm - a good game. You know."-
Patrick Ewing (my Knick Hero)
exactly
“highly replaceable” is a great term for it. He’s just not a great player and I dont see him getting much better. He’s too passive. Gallo is much better than him RIGHT NOW, AND gallo has a much higher ceiling. how many guys are significantly better than they were after 3 years?
How about
We wait for the trade deadline or at least December 15th, let the price go down, and see what our team looks like as is. Then, if we do need Melo, offer: Chandler, Curry (for the contract, obviously), Walker, Mason Jr, Fields and Jerome Jordan.
Denver then gets two or three SF’s to add in their line-up, Mason Jr to knock down 3’s, add some leadership, and help bring up the ball, another big guy which they desperately need, and cap relief.
in that trade i believe the knicks would have to take on somebody as well
i might be wrong but i think theres a minimum number of players one could have on their roster and trading 6 guys for 1 would probably put the knicks below that minimum
Or it'd put Denver over the limit of 15
I don’t think it’d be possible to have a trade like that happen mid-season with rosters somewhat set
That'd be a good deal
Think about it, we’re trading an expiring contract that won’t help us win games…at all. We’d trade a player who, in the best case scenario, would be as good as Melo. I know we all love Gallo, but I don’t see him ever being the player Carmelo is. The first rounder is what upsets me, because all we seem to do is give them up. But if we put a team that has Carmelo, Felton, STAT and Randolph on the floor, then I’m liking that team.
It’s basically upgrading Gallo for Carmelo. So the question is, is Melo a Curry and first rounder better than Gallo? I say yes.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.
Vince Lombardi
See
The reason the Knicks are in the drivers seat here is because Melo’s trade value as a one year rental is would actually be kind of low. But Melo has the power to sign an extension as part of the deal, and that make his value sky-high. So the only way any other team is swooping in is if Melo is interested in playing there.
If the Nuggets want to get decent value for him they must deal with the team or teams he wants to go to. If there’s only one team he wants to go to, that gives that team a lot of power. If Melo says he’ll go to the Hornets or Magic or Bulls or Knicks, then there’s a bidding war and that’s good for Denver.
If he wants to play here and only here, I think they will take Chandler, Curry, and Buke for him during the season. But if he’s open to several other teams, it will get more difficult. Still, if none of the other teams have a more attractive package, then the Knicks are still in the driver’s seat. Melo will not want to go to a gutted team either, so he’s not going to agree to trade that guts his new team of it’s favorite players.
Effectively, Melo has a no-trade clause here. BUT, he also is motivated to accept something, because if he doesn’t sign that extension, he’s likely to lose a lot of money just going to free agency.
This is an interesting game of push and pull.
good points
this all boils down to what melo really wants. And if he agrees to do a sign and trade.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
this is a good point
and can work out to the knicks favor.
I will take Donnie negotiating with an owner over a GM anyday.
I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.
Wait until free agency
If we lose out on Melo, yeah that’d suck, but either Gallo or AR will reach their potential and make the All-Star team. We can get our star player a few years down the road either by keeping them or keeping our 1st round picks because thats how all superstars are made! We give away picks and then people go drooling over guys that have already made it big in this league and then whine about not having them.
Stop giving up picks and we will eventually get someone very good. Not to mention we’re flexible for the future so we can pick up more talent that way. I’m not willing to part with Gallo or Randolph at this point. Especially if they both reach their ceilings, we can have two great players
So let me get this straight...
You want us to pass up on this superstar, in order to stock-pile picks, with hopes of one day landing a… superstar? Or is pass up on this superstar so that we have cap space to land a… superstar? Or is it pass on trading one of our potential this superstars because one day they might be as good as this superstar?
Why would we wait on getting this superstar (who’s in his prime) again?
wait on the superstar who's likely to be a FA in the offseason?
maybe that’s why? Have the cake and eat it too?
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 18, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
He wants his money. He wants to sign and be traded. We wait, we lose out. Gallo isn’t worth the risk of losing out on Melo.
he wants to come to NY
overpaying when you don’t need to is senseless.
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 19, 2010 6:49 AM EDT up reply actions
look at any contender in recent years
you need 2 stars to get anywhere, preferably 3. We have 1. When you have a chance to get another, you take it. As soon as possible.
look at the champion of recent years
2 superstars and 2 upper echelon role players. Give or take an Ariza or Artest
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 18, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Amare, Gallo, Randolph, Chandler, Felton
and I guess Melo..and that’s a club.
2 stars don’t win shit.
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 18, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
every team has stars and role players
and the good teams have 2-3 stars. who else are you calling a star on the lakers?
Odom, Bynum Artest/Ariza
all are very good players if they didn’t have to buy in.
Every team has role players, the Lakers have stars as role players.
Difference…big one. And why I want the Knicks to hold onto their 6"10 “role players”.
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 19, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
bingo
why are we all resisting trading a guy who MIGHT be a star for someone who IS a superstar?
stop saying superstar
yea melo is beast of a scorer..but trading away pieces that are important to this team when its not necessary is a bad move. melo is matador defense. Knicks got to be logical when offering a trade.. or just gauge his interest. IIFF he really wants new york.. put ya mufuckin poker face on and let denver sweat this out. Get him at trade deadline for the low or just wait for the FA period. The ace in the hand is if melo wants ny.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
there's a difference
between trading for the player now vs waiting for the player to be a FA.
I was reluctant to give up Melo for a top 3 NBA player in Chris Paul…so I’m gonna be even more reluctant to do the same for a player who’s great himself, but doesn’t really make those around him better.
Denver may just do everyone a favor and keep Melo for a shot at the chip this year.
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 19, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
If wewait until FA, anything can happen. He could easily change his mind about coming here, in favor of going to a team like Orlando or Chicago.
I think that if we’re in the mix now, then pull the trigger and get it done.
and I don't think the Knicks are a chip team
without both of these guys on the roster, so I’d rather “risk it” by waiting.
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 20, 2010 6:53 AM EDT up reply actions
gallo is not a star
and neither are any of those 4 lakers. you need 2 or 3 great players, and a few “very good” players. If you can trade a “very good” player for a star, you do it.
we all love gallo but lets be honest here, he’s never gonna be carmelo.
those players were stars before theny went to LA
plain ain’t simple.
I dunno what you’re trying to prove, but trading essentially Gallo for Melo is a lateral move.
Only Carmelo is Carmelo. Carmelo also wasn’t Carmelo till his third year, believe it or not. Did they trade him?
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 19, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
?
Artest isn’t a star because he’s old, not because he’s buying into the team concept or anything
Odom’s best year was 17/7, and we all know he’s too inconsistent and not mentally focused enough to be a star
Ariza’s best year befor LA was 8.9 points..
Bynum was drafted by LA out of high school.
So I dont see how those 4 being stars before they came to LA is “plain ain’t simple”
Gallo for Carmelo is a lateral move?! I don’t think we are watching the same NBA. How is a prospect with back issues for a top-5 player a lateral move? I dont really know what to say to that
point taken
but how does gallo have back issues. explain
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
you keep calling Melo a top 5 player
and now you’re inventing injuries for Gallo. So I think we’ll be at a stand still while you’re inventing reasons to make this trade.
And those players from the Lakers are in fact stars that are role players.
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 20, 2010 6:54 AM EDT up reply actions
inventing injuries? Ariza was a star before LA?
is someone else reading this? Am I watching a different NBA than everyone else?
Gallo missed 53 games due to back injury in 09, and is always laying in front of the bench instead of sitting on it to protect his back.
I guess Odom couldve been considered a “star” if anyone who scores over 15 is a star, and we could pretend that artest is 26 again, but could you please give some reason why bynum and ariza were “stars before LA”. (especially since bynum’s only team before LA was St. Josephs High School)
not to mention the "club" you listed
also has 2 stars. unless you consider artest or felton or gallo stars, in which case about 40% of the NBA would be stars
STAT, Melo, AR and Felton; plus all the other pieces we have is a damn good club.
How is Gallo essential to that equation?
Even if we got Melo this year, we're not going to win a championship
Maybe, maybe we’d get to the Conference Finals (still unlikely), then what happens next year? We won’t have the cap flexibility to get more guys. Who on this team is going to develop to become sidekicks to Amare and Melo? Gallo and AR are our guys to develop for the future and more or less, Mozgov, Douglas and Chandler.
If we get rid of them or even one of them, that cuts our chances in half of getting an All-Star player (I doubt they both can totally reach their ceilings) and then who else will we develop? Get Carmelo as a free agent, for our own price, and keep our potential-laden youngsters.
Even if we miss out on Melo in free agency, he’s not the only free agent next year
http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/nba-free-agents-class-of-2011-1.2092537
None of them are as good as Melo but we could conceivably add some nice pieces and have a really solid, deep team.
If Denver wants Gallo you have to do it. Anthony is not a max player in my opinion but he is an extremely good one, and we have no idea how Gallo is going to develop or if his back will ever start hurting again. Obviously we would prefer to wait until free agency, keep our guys and maybe give Melo less cash but he’s made it clear he wants a sign and trade. I think Walsh would have tremendous pressure to deal Gallo or risk another team trading for him. Gallo could very well turn into a great player, but Randolph could be a true superstar and we need to keep him.
carmelo isnt a max player?
i can count the players better than melo on 1 hand: kobe, durant, dwight howard, cp3. Who else? I dont think anyone around here wants lebron, and d-wade is injury prone. so 6 tops.
How could you do a better job of spending the $16M than on melo? He plays tough on D too (remember the conference finals against the lakers?). He’s exactly the type of player I want.
werd buddy.
It’s like you said, you don’t let Gallo make you pass up a chance at a top 5 player who hasn’t even topped out yet. Git’er done.
by al's brick foundation on Aug 19, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
maybe i missed this
but when has it been clear he wants a sign and trade. I know he’s been attending the cba meetings..and that he hasnt signed his extension meaning he mostlikely wont return to denver..but where is it that he is asking for a sign and trade.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
He has a max extension on the table from denver
and it pays him more than he could get anywhere else for 2 reasons: bird rights and fact that max money will be way less after the new CBA this summer.
So he wants to have his cake (the max, bird-rights money) and eat it too (go to NY/NJ/HOU), and the only way to do that is to extend-and-trade from Denver,
while i think that gallo curry and a first rounder is worth melo
i dont want to trade gallo because he will benefit so much if he gets to play alongside amare and melo at the same time
i also think that walker chandler and buike together with curry and a pick would be enough for denver and would allow the knicks to keep both AR and gallo
theres no way we are gonna outbid other teams
without AR or gallo in the package. If we wanna keep AR and gallo we gotta hope he doesnt extend-and-trade and wait for 2011
or he can tell denver and other teams that he only wants to go to new york
then no teams will want to trade for a 1 year rental player
and denver will take an offer that doesnt include ar or gallo so they dont lose out completely like cleveland with lebron
I heard yesterday he’d be willing to extend-and-trade to NJ or houston or orlando, which is why I think we should trade for him soon instead of wait
if hes willing to extend and trade for other teams as well
then the knicks will get outbid by the other teams unless they do give up gallo unless denver think AR is more valuable
exactly what im sayin
gallo shouldnt hold us back. if we have to deal him, deal him. (same with AR)
yea unless melo clearly tells all teams hes only signing with ny which i doubt will happen
then the knicks will have to part with gallo to get melo
i do hope the knicks keep gallo however id give up gallo for a guy like melo
however i think an offer of gallo curry and a first rounder would be rejected by denver
they are basically trading a top 5 player for a young player with potential and a pick along with somebody to make contracts work
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