Predicting Raymond Felton's Offensive Production through Role Change Correlations
Neil Paine over at Basketball-Reference released a study on Wednesday looking at which offensive stats stay most consistent when a player changes roles. It's really a fascinating read considering how much debate is generated when a player changes teams, positions or, you got it, roles.
Paine defines role changes through year-over-year differences in usage percentage (USG%) which is the percentage of possessions a player uses when he's on the floor. This makes sense, of course, because the amount of possessions you take up is indicative of your role within the team's offense. Using the 1,036 players whose USG% changed most YOY since 1974, he looks at the following stats:
- True Shooting % (Scoring efficiency that takes into account 2FG%, 3FG% and FT%)
- Assist Rate (% of teammate FG the player assisted)
- Turnover Rate (Turnovers per possessions used)
- Free throw Rate (FTA/FGA)
- Offensive rebounding % (% of available OReb grabbed while on court)
For our purposes, I'll take his results and (attempt to) apply the correlations to Raymond Felton as we're all expecting him to change his role under new scheme and coach Mike D'Antoni.
High correlations indicate that the stat is more likely to be representative of a player's skill independent of his role in the offense, while lower correlations mean the stat is more a product of the player's situation.
The results:
Stat Correlation TS% 0.627 AsR 0.905 ToR 0.724 FTr 0.802 OR% 0.932
Paine finds that true shooting percentage is the least consistent stat during a role change because an increase in USG% means an increase in shots, which increases the likelihood of missed shots. Similarly, turnover rate is the second-least consistent because the more possessions a player takes up, the higher the chances are of turning the ball over. Assist rate and offensive rebounding rate are the most consistent because, as he states, "those two stats measure tendency as much as ability." For instance, we all know LeBron James will continue to pass the ball in Miami the same way we know Al Harrington will continue to not pass the ball in Denver. Meanwhile, free throw rate is in the middle because an increase in shots tends to translate to jumpshots as opposed to shots at the basket where a player is more likely to be fouled.
Is all that clear? Good, cause this is where I actually have to do some work.
But first, applying these trends to Felton without context would be irresponsible. We need reference - basketball reference, if you will. Luckily another point guard on a two-year contract named Chris Duhon changed roles in his first year under Mike D'Antoni, so let's see if the trends ring true using per 40 minute totals.
| YEAR | USG% | TS% | AR | TOR | FTR | ORR |
| 2008 | 13.4 | 50.8 | 36.8 | 10.0 | 0.2 | 1.5 |
| 2009 | 14.8 | 56.9 | 36.3 | 14.1 | 0.3 | 1.6 |
| CHANGE | +1.4% | +6.1% | -0.5% | +4.1% | +0.1% | +0.1% |
As expected, Duhon's usage increased under D'Antoni as he controlled the ball more than he ever could in Chicago. What jumps off the screen is the +6.1% increase in TS%. Duhon goes from being ~3% under the league average to ~3% over it with increased shot attempts.
How'd he do it? Well, he basically went on a tear in '09 by making 21% more threes while attempting -17% fewer long-twos (16-23 feet shots) per 40 mins. Increasing his efficiency on a more valuable shot while decreasing the number of inefficient ones he took did the trick. It was definitely an anomaly, though, considering his career TS% is 52.4% (4.5% lower than his first year under D'Antoni) and that he regressed to 50.1% last season. Duhon's turnover rate also increased significantly with his usage bump, which you would also expect. It was easily the highest of his career.
The spikes seem to support Paine's study though. These two stats are wildly affected by the role Duhon had to assume. He needed to shoot more threes and facilitate the offense far more than he needed to in Chicago.
The -0.5% dip in his assist rate is a bit of a surprise because of his increased totals in '09, but it's fairly negligible. In '08, 60% of Chicago's shots were assisted. In '09, only 55% were assisted for the Knicks. Perhaps there were just more to go around for him in Chicago.
But onto my point. What can we expect from Raymond Felton? His efficiency increased across the board last season. It'll be even higher, just like Duhon's, once he's under D'Antoni. He should certainly be ranked higher than the 23rd best point guard in the league, right? Not so fast.
| YEAR | USG% | TS% | AR | TOR | FTR | ORR |
| 2009 | 22.0 | 48.3 | 27.9 | 11.5 | 0.25 | 2.2 |
| 2010 | 19.2 | 52.5 | 29.0 | 10.9 | 0.20 | 2.5 |
| CHANGE | -2.8% | +4.2% | +1.1% | -0.6% | -0.05% | +0.3% |
Felton's -2.8% decrease in usage last season directly affected his increased scoring efficiency. He attempted -11% less threes and -26% less long-twos per 40. Simply attempting fewer difficult shots helped increase his TS% by 4.2%. But get this, it was still below average! And you may scream small sample size but his previous TS%'s read like this: 50%, 48.1%, 48.3%. Pretty consistent, I'd say. And all with higher usage rates than he had last season.
Paine's findings are at play here again. The significant change in usage results in much different efficiency. This time, a decrease in usage was the cause. This is discouraging cause we're assuming that both his usage and efficiency will go up with his new role on the Knicks. Problem is, he'll naturally attempt more threes and long-twos in this system which is what lowered it in the first place.
So, there's reason to question Felton's improvement. There's reason why he only received a two-year contract. But there's also plenty of reason to be optimistic if you're more half-full than I. D'Antoni still tends to get the most out of his players. Felton's stats suggest he should pass more and maybe he will with someone the caliber of Amar'e Stoudemire on the receiving end. And the study itself says that scoring efficiency is the most inconsistent stat during a role change. Only time will tell if Felton's offensive production, like Duhon's, was an aberration.
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Correct me if im wrong
but dont these stats predict that his increase in shots and role as if he is still in the Larry Brown offense?
I mean, you take his production there and increase feltons role and attempts due to increased shot attempts he would see in the Pringles offense. But what im saying is the type of shots and possessions would be entirely differnt from that of what he got in CHA. slowed tempo half court sets vs push the ball upcourt and trying to get numbers adv. I think that thought this statistical breakdown is true when trying to advance a players stats before he plays for his new team..but only if that team runs a similar style of play.
Its almost impossible to predict actually..but shit like this makes you use ya brain and think #’s..
so kudos for spreadin some knowledge..and using some!
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Yeah, that difference in system is what I was getting at.
When he shot less under Brown last year, he got better. Felton’s efficiency was lower in years past when he shot more threes and long-twos and players under D’Antoni tend to shoot a lot more of those. So, we can kind of guess that he’ll regress back to that if he shoots more jumpers.
by gian casimiro on Aug 19, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I feel you on the more 3's and long 2's
but i think we have been stuck in that mod for these past coulpl years b/c we have been absent of a real floor facilitator.. not saying felton is a lock at doing that..but he gets to the rim. He drives, dishes, or lays it up, and has a stop n pop midrange shot. He isnt great at 3’s and i agree that his 3p% will drop this coming year, but duhon had no choice but to jack 3’s. Every other facet of his game was all duhon du-du.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Part of what will make a big difference in terms of changing systems
Is not just that he’ll be shooting more or less, or that he’ll be shooting more threes or fewer, or that he’ll be involved in more total possessions per game, although all of those things will fluctuate and will affect his numbers, for sure.
But one thing that hasn’t been explicitly mentioned but that relates the difference is systems is how much time is left, in general, when Felton shoots this year vs. last year. For the life of me I can’t remember where I found this, but I remember reading a breakdown that showed that Felton shot a pretty high percentage on shots taken early (in the first eight seconds of shot clock), a middling percentage for the middle eight seconds, and a low percentage during the last eight seconds.
Larry Brown loves to run the shot clock all the way down, and I get the sense (although I didn’t watch a whole lot of Bobcat games) that a disproportionate amount of Felton’s FGAs came after the half-court set had fizzled out and he had to create offense on his own or chuck it up to beat the clock.
So under Pringles we can expect him to be taking a lot more high-percentage, early-in-the-shot clock FGAs this year, which should boost his numbers. Add that to the other factors—better surrounding talent, more total possessions, more MPG (he only played 33 mpg last year, I’d expect more like 38 this year) and I predict numbers somewhere in the neighborhood of 16pts/8ast/3reb/1.5 steals. Which would be awesome.
good point on the shot clock
shot attempted early withought clock restriction will most always be better judged than a late second shot.
that line for felton would be nice tho
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
So Felton is better than Duhon
Carolina over Duke.
Because he gets to the rim. Is much quicker. Plays defense.
Amar’e-Felton > Duhon-Lee
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having stat at the other end of the pick and roll
will improve his assists even higher than just having more possessions would. This analysis makes some sense but when you have a vastly superior player on your team in addition to having the ball more, his stats will increase even more, i think.
i don't understand anything you said
but can you compare nash changing teams/coaches? because maybe that will be a telling set of numbers i don’t understand.
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I did this very thing.
You’re absolutely right – it’s the most analagous situation. Nash came onto a team with Amar’e at power forward and D’antoni as coach.Looking at the percentage bump in Nash’s stats his first year in Phoenix, and applying the increase percentage to Felton’s stats last year, Felton’s stats would look like this:
12.9 ppg on 49% shooting (41% from three), with 7.3 assists and 4 rebounds per game.
Nice. Not Nash level, but pretty nice. Nash’s scoring really exploded his second year – but his first year, his shooting percentage went up 3 points and his assists jumped up. I think that’s what we can expect.
Also, watch Nash’s assists dip this year.
ok
i mean… dude is on a two year deal. the best point free agent guards were mr. felton and luke ridnour. if he can sounldy average duhon’s best- i for one will be satisfied. felton isn’t nash, or chris paul, but he happens to be consistent, and confident. duhon never seemed prepared to take full responsibility until it was fart oo late (not fixing that typo).
we could have done worse, we could not have done better.
can’t wait for the god damn season.
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Hah.
Basically, Nash was already a great shooter and passer before he teamed up with D’Antoni. In their first year together, he went up to absurd levels in both categories while taking more shots. That speaks to Nash’s skill and tendencies as a player, especially in the passing department, as evidenced by Paine’s study.
Duhon took a huge leap in shooting % while taking more shots in his first year here, then dropped back down to earth last year. That supports his argument that efficiency is the most inconsistent stat when usage changes.
Felton went up in shooting % only when he took fewer jump shots, which is bad news because you’re likely to take more under D’Antoni. From a assist rate/passing perspective, Nash was already great and got better statistically. Duhon was above average and stayed there. Felton was a little above average and, according to the study, should remain there even with the new system. The average assist rate is 27% – Felton was at 29%, Duhon at 36%, Nash at 49%.
All of this, of course, isn’t speaking in totals per game. Those should go up for Felton just based on pace.
by gian casimiro on Aug 19, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really
In his last year with the Mavs, he averaged 10.8 shot attempts, under D’antoni, 11.4. Not a huge jump, especially because he averaged another minute per game. He did make a big jump in assists, from 8.8 per game to 11.5. He also went from a 47% shooter to a 50% shooter.
Now that could have been due to him just working on his game, but if you extrapolate the same percentage increases, that’s how I get my Felton prediction.
Food for thought
Thanks for the analysis. It’s really interesting to see which stats change as usage goes up.
I think this would be more interesting to apply to Randolph, who actually might see his usage go up. I don’t really think that Felton’s usage will necessarily go up. Sure, he’s the point guard and he’ll handle the ball a lot – but I think there are more scorers on this team than there were on Charlotte, so you might see Felton’s usage go down
This is exactly what I said before. The projections fuhry made above are very similar to mine. Nash can’t be used as completely analogous because he was in better shape in Phoenix.
These stats and formulas all confuse me
If Felton can play solid defense, score the ball, pass well and not turn the ball over and the Knicks are winning, that’s all I need.
I’m not too into the advanced statistics (maybe if I understood them) but I’ll go on what he did in Charlotte and what will change now that he’s playing for MDA and let him prove it on the court. I’m still expecting great things
i'm not expecting great things.
i am expecting him to be effective and not to hurt the team.
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by stingy d on Aug 19, 2010 3:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I use great loosely
Especially when comparing him to our last few point guards
I don’t expect his PPG to significantly rise (maybe 14 PPG?), but I could easily see him putting up 8 APG now that he’s playing alongside a player like amare. He never had a big man who was so talented offensively in charlotte. I think we’ll be fairly satisfied with felton’s production next season.
That ranking of 23rd best PG in the league was a flat out joke, though. He’s an average starting PG overall, but one of the best defensive PGs in the league. I’d say that puts him right around 15th. Dwyer picked guys like sessions, lou williams, and mo williams over felton. Completely illogical.
This is good stuff Gian
I think this type of stuff is at the forefront of the discussion of how effective advanced stats can be in a fluid, team game like basketball. Very interesting.
And you made TrueHoop. Props.
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by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Aug 19, 2010 3:08 PM EDT reply actions
so...
felton kinda sucks?
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by stingy d on Aug 19, 2010 3:37 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Well,
his shooting percentage and assist rate and turnover rate – that stuff all matters, but what I’m really interested is his leadership ability on the floor. Does he get guys involved, pump them up when they’re down, and make players around him better? Is he a leader defensively as well as offensively? Does he make good decisions and trust his teammates?
To me, that kind of thing is more important. I mean, Marbury’s point guard stats were always stellar, but he was awful at the other stuff.
If Felton is a good leader on the court, I’m not going to sweat a few percentage points here or there.
that sounds reasonable
i’m just sick to death of talking about all this shit. i wish i liked other sports.
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i think you're on point, and I think he has those qualities
It’s hard to win an NCAA title if your PG has no leadership qualities. It’s also hard to take a team to the playoffs with Gerald Wallace as your best player, if your PG is not a good floor general. I mean, Gerald Wallace is nice and all… but by the all-star break people are going to be calling him a poor man’s Anthony Randolph (in my dreams).
Just in terms of an article
No matter the whole ‘right or wrong’ thing, this was fantastic.
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by ThisIsTraps on Aug 19, 2010 10:48 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Philosophy change?
I know you talk about coaching change and system change… but what about factoring in an overall philosophy change?
We know Brown’s system vs Mike D’s system. But what about the emotions around each? We know players like playing for DA and not so much for Larry. So wouldn’t a player’s excitement about moving to a more well-like coach (in addition to a well-liked system) factor in?
Maybe Felton was totally unhappy playing under Brown. Or if not “unhappy”, maybe stagnant? Now with his new life in NY and young, energetic talent surrounding him, Felton will use that energy to take a step up to the next level.
Again, I think much of that analysis is number-based and takes out the human element. GREAT analysis and I’m a numbers guy myself, but I think it’s pessimistic because it misses the huge emotional shift that’s possible.
Intangibles leading to improvement
Though Nash and Duhon both shot career highs their 1st season under Mike D, the real improvement with Felton will be his assists to turnover ratio. Felton has a career 2.5:1 a/to ratio (6.6:2.6). I think this will go up to 3:1 if not higher.
The conversion rate on Felton’s passes are going to increase greatly. Not only does Felton now have Amare to run picks with, but he has never had a shooter like Gallo (or even Azuibuke) to pass too.
More importantly, playing at a much greater pace will cause the largest increase in statistical output. Charlotte was 26th in the league last season, NY was 8th, with slowing down the SSOL to suit the players on the roster.
It’s interesting to note that Dallas was 2nd in the league for pace factor in Nash’s final season there. His 1st season in Phoenix his minutes pretty stayed the same (33.5 to 34.5 mpg) but his assists jumped from 8.8 to 11.5 with an increase in a/to ratio from 3.25:1 to 3.49:1.
Extrapolating on that, think it’s fair to speculate that Felton will also generate a much improved passing game, with 9-10.5 apg and 3-3.5 tov/pg.
IMO all the pieces of the puzzle are in place for Felton to jump from NBA starter PG to bubble All-Star PG. A torrid start could even see him in the All-Star game. After Derrick Rose and Rondo, there is a very big drop off in quality PG’s in the East.
comparing duhon and felton
is like comparing how well aged poop tastes compares to aged steak, if you sprinkle some a1 sauce on each. felton’s not a filet, but he’s a nice strip. i think he will do well, you also have to keep in mind the stringent offense he came from in charlotte.
you have to get creative
if you want to try and make chris duhon look good.

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