Are we getting greedy here?
by Chris Child's Fist on Aug 23, 2010 3:07 PM EDT
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PrintYo, these are the dog days of summer, no doubt. The excitement happened at the beginning of July and now it is really just about counting down the days for some damn basketball games to start up. Now, yeah, we still need to keep things fresh here at Posting & Toasting and we need to flex our analytical muscles and vent our annoyances at Nets fans and other unnamed Sports Networks which love to undersell the New York Knickerbockers. But here is the thing:
I think we are getting away from Donnie Walsh's Big Plan.
Look, God knows we want a winning season and a team that earns respect from around the league. It's been more than frustrating these last years and now that we have finally turned a corner, most of us are batshit crazy about the upcoming season to see how all of these offseason acquisitions turn out. No, it is not a championship caliber team, though I feel like we could very well be on our way to one. But I think we are getting to a point where we may be trying to go too far.
It's not really our fault either. Let me just say that first. This isn't about blame or any shit like that. We have flipped this roster almost entirely in the last 2 months. The free-agency frenzy has really done a number on the league and its fans in trying to understand all of the changes and exposing the perceived notion of team loyalty. It's pretty6 natural to see the pace of things and want to continue that pace until the season starts. That is where we are getting ahead of ourselves in my opinion.
We have our roster right now. Not everyone is signed (Landry Fields, Jerome Jordan, etc.) but it seems they will be shortly, and those are very minor pieces anyways (at least for this year). We have addressed our needs at PG, C and Defense. We have taken on a slew of versatile players who can play multiple positions and we seem to be team of healthy depth. I guage that the majority of Knicks fans like the guys we have gone after and signed or traded for. I know I am very pleased. Yeah we all wanted certain other players, but as we didn't get them, we did pretty damn good anyways. We also didn't blow our financial future either. We have a good mix of youth and veterans, a good mix of offense-minded players who can D-up, a good mix of long term investments and expiring contracts for next year and beyond. So why aren't we stopping?
Because the big names start popping up. Chris Paul, Carmelo Anthony. Other players too, like Rudy Fernandez, Tony Parker, Ricky Rubio (still!), and others. What is so wrong with our current roster that we have yet to see play together? It's like we can't stop trying to improve. But we haven't even seen our guys and if they gel. We haven't seen if they can overacheive yet and we seem so anxious to dump many of them in trades to get more established guys. Yo, I'm all about getting guys like Carmelo Anthony and Chris Paul, but at what cost?? We love Gallinari. We are quickly loving Anthony Randolph. We already love Wilson Chandler and the more we think about Ray Felton the more excited we are about the probability of him taking a significant jump in his first year of a high-powered D'Antoni Offensive Scheme. Getting these superstars won't come without a heavy cost to our roster either, so why in the fuck are we so seemingly anxious to break-up this collective group of talent? We DO have money to spend next offseason too and maybe it happens that Carmelo Anthony gets traded to another team... but maybe it doesn't.
Here is what I'm saying. We have a roster in place now. A very competitive one. An exciting one. A roster bursting with talent. Donnie Walsh's original plan was NOT to have a championship team ready to go in 2010. Ours isn't championship ready right now. We are right on the track of this plan so how about we chill out on trying to replace parts on this team before we even turn on the engine. No one should be eyeing Tony Parker or Chris Paul right now after we JUST inked a very capable, young, promising, Ray Felton to run our team. No one should be looking to upgrade our SF spot when we have interchangeable pieces like Gallinari, Chandler, evne Anthony Randolph. We can get by with a very capable Azuibuike, Bill Walker, Gallinari (at times), Toney Douglas, and maybe even a rookie like Fields or Rautins at the SG spot.
Lets focus on what we HAVE instead of adding to the neverending speculation of what we could POSSIBLY get. That shit makes us a Knicks version of ESPN. And after this summer... none of us should want that comparison.
This season is going to be awesome.
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I think this enslought
of going after other stars is b/c of this spending spree this summer has been. That along with the idea of other teams getting to these guys before we do. But thats why Donnie is in charge and not some fickle fan. Im all for waiting and letting the next FA and trade deadline come when its supposed to come. Getting that itchy trigger finger only leads to isaiah type deals and rushed negotiations…
Good job in trying to keep the frenzy that seems to have been growing by the day down to a hopefull fizzle
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Nice write-up
I agree entirely. Rec’d
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage
by blueandorange4life on Aug 23, 2010 3:22 PM EDT reply actions
It’s like we can’t stop trying to improve.
Yes. This is a good thing. I don’t get why we are content with a “nice story team” who wins 40 games and maybe wins one or two playoff games. Fuck gelling and watching the young guys grow. Get some studs in here. You need at least 2 stars to win in the NBA, and we have a chance to get a second one. Let’s do it.
Notice all the good franchises in sports are always “trying to improve”? They don’t care about sentimental shit like gelling and watching young guys develop, unless that development is the best option for winning. I just don’t see waiting for Gallo to maybe develop as a better option then swapping him for an already developed superstar just reaching his prime. I want this team to win, not to just be a cute little story.
by al's brick foundation on Aug 23, 2010 3:25 PM EDT reply actions
Well
We were trying to improve when we got starbury, and curry, and francis, I don’t know about you but my perception of those guys when we got them was about how I view Melo: A stud who can score like crazy but isn’t the greatest defender. I think the major point is that we are trying to improve our team this year while sacrificing the future. I want a dynasty, and if we get Melo next summer we not only have a better shot at a ring in 2011 than we would if we traded for him, but we are also better in the long-term.
I don't see trading Gallo as sacrificing the future.
Not in the least. Melo is a superstar, Gallo is a 22 year old project.
by al's brick foundation on Aug 23, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Melo has singlehandedly brought his team to the playoffs every year.
We never had a guy like Amare to pair with Steph. None of those guys were the pure scorers that Melo is. Carmelo is probably the best pure scorer in the league. You pair Amare and Melo together, then consider Felton, Chandler, AR or Gallo (whoever stays) and immediately you have a 50 win team. I am impatient, this team has been bad for really long and I want to win. If you could guarantee that Gallo or AR would develop to their ceiling then fine, I’ll wait, but I live in the real world where that kind of stuff is never guaranteed, and usually never comes to fruition. Gallo will probably throw out his back and miss the season while Carmelo accepts a trade to Houston or Chicago or NJ and we are fucked. Guys like Carmelo Anthony is as close to a guarantee as you can get in this business, and if the cost for him is the skinny italian kid who the coach loves, so be it.
by al's brick foundation on Aug 23, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm impatient too, but this league isn't set up like baseball where you can swap minor league prospects
The Yankees can trade for big name hitting like Lance Berkman and they can trade for big name pitching like Cliff Lee (well almost), but in neither case did they give up any of thier major league ready guys, or top prospects in the minors. So it felt like they just added without subracting.
you just cant do that in the NBA, man. But Yeah I’m with you about the “tired of losing” bit. Everyone is. But THIS Knick team is a winner. So let them win.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Aug 23, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Okay
Our team now will win. 43 or 44 wins may not be the greatest but i’m fine with a 14 game improvement from last season. I will always love the Knicks, and I don’t wanna be a team that just dumps alot of good players for a great player. You need role players.
Let’s say the Lakers’ second star is Pau Gasol (going with your two stars theory). Let’s eliminate their three best role players (which is what we’d have to do to get Melo. Our only real star is Amar’e). You take away Odom, Shannon Brown and say… Fisher. You think that team wins the Finals? Not a chance.
My whole point is, let’s say we get Melo and pair him with Amar’e and We get rid of Gallo, Chandler and who else… Felton? Douglas? Buike? Walker? I’ll say Douglas to be fair. A team of Felton, Buike, Gallo, Amare, Turiaf, Randolph and Walker would be really good, yeah. But we wouldn’t win a championship. We’d probably lose in the second round to a team like the Magic or something. We’d win about 50 games. Great, that’s better than 43. But is it worth giving up good, young prospects to win like 10 more games?
If we trade for Melo, it will have to include Curry’s contract to offer relief for Denver and so then we will lose our flexibility for next summer, where we can add more pieces. I say wait.
I totally get your point about not being sentimental
But you pair Amar’e and Carmelo together and you have a core of two stars that care a lot more about offense than defense. That’s actually not the way to win a championship. I I’m really concerned about this. You have to have a culture of defense to go all the way. You can carry one big offensive star that maybe needs outside motivation to put forth maximum effort on D. Two? With a coach like D’antoni, I’m concerned about it.
Yes, getting a scorer like Carmelo could be a huge plus, but I want to see how bad they need it first. Because I think it puts you in danger of losing your critical defensive culture.
by fuhry on Aug 24, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agree
but right now the whole shooting big for melo is way overblown. He is under contract for denver and they arent pressed for dealingh im yet. They JUST signed a gm. And shooting the deal big and early will most likely be “overpaying” for what we could get for cheaper if we keep our cards on the table and that donnie walsh poker face.
To this point melo has not even gave reason to speculate he is wanting out now. All the buzz is media driven from the facts that he hasnt signed his deal yet.
Again…what i got from this was that we arent content with what we have, but that why ship away pieces we have yet to see how they perform? What if gallo AND randolph play v good. Trade value goes way up mayne. Be patient with melo, we know DW and co will be on that situation just as much as i was on stacy dash from clueless days.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
I trust in Donnie
it’s the P and T posters with the “why would you trade our 22 year old 3 point shooter with back problems for the best scorer in the NBA” shit that annoys me.
by al's brick foundation on Aug 23, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
saying Gallo has back problems is as full of shit as those that say Amare has knee problems
meanwhile dude just played in 80+ fuckin games last year.
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 23, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes. And he played 82 games the season after he returned from his surgery.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Aug 23, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha! So true.
However, were Carmelo to join the Knicks I would trade someone for Mardy Collins just so he could punch him whenever he wanted.
if he was a 29 year old
with back problems, I would be much more concerned.
at his age, with proper training, he should be fine.
I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.
but they haven't flared up
the only way they’re chronic at this point is by pure invention of someone trying to knock Gallo
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 24, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Gallo does have back problems,
and Amare does have knee problems. Are you fucking serious? Amare has obvious knee problems to the point he couldn’t even get his contract insured and you are telling me Gallo doesn’t have back problems and Amare doesn’t have knee problems? Grant Hill played every game this year, is he not injury prone?
Gallo had back surgery as a 21 year old. That doesn’t bode well for the future, anybody with back issues would know this.
by al's brick foundation on Aug 24, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
The counterpoint is how many injury free seasons does a guy have to play to convince you?
Grant Hill WAS injury prone for many years, but that was regarding his ankle and foot. Dude has missed 30 (out of 328) games in the past 4 seasons, none of which have been ankle/foot related.
Ama’re has played 3 FULL seasons in the 4 years since his microfracture surgery. The last time he missed significant time was in early 2009 when he suffered a detached retina… by ALL accounts, a freak injury… and well you don;t have to be an anatomical expert to figure out that your eye is not related to your knee.
Gallinari played 81 games last season. Averaging 34 mins a game too. Now, you are right, early back problems are cause for future concern, but on the flip side, being 20-21, your body is still growing and can heal much quicker than at 29+. It is too early to label Gallinari an injury prone player, especially given that he fucking played 81 out of 82 games after missing most of the season before.
And regarding Ama’re’s insurance; is it really so hard to see the BUSINESS decision behind that? When in the fuck have ANY insurance companies NOT tried to find a way to balk at giving out money? Everything is about leverage. Shit, after Katrina, plenty of claims were DENIED because the insurance companies argued that FLOODING wasn’t covered and that WIND was.
You’re arguments are valid to a point, but stop trying to spin that just because guy gets hurt that he will ALWAYS get hurt. Not everyone in the league is Tracy McGrady.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Aug 24, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not saying he will get hurt.
I am saying that Amare and Gallo have a history of injuries, with their knee and back, respectively. That makes the probability of future injury greater, it’s just how it is. To act like Gallo’s back or Amare’s knee isn’t any concern at all would be silly to me. If you have a microfracture knee surgery you are more likely to have knee issues in the future than a player who has had completely healthy knees his whole life.
by al's brick foundation on Aug 25, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
moot
yes, gallo and amare have had injuries…
yes, they both have shown no changes in their games after playing complete seasons after injury. Is it a complete non-concern? – No. It is a concern. But its no way near what your making it out to be.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
I'm not making it out to be anything
this all started because out of an entire post Freebradshaw decided to respond the the two words, back problems. It;s what he normally does, ignores the entirety of the post, takes a little piece of of context that he can argue back, and goes for it. See below, re: Kobe and Gasol.
by al's brick foundation on Aug 25, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Grant Hill?
Grant Hill is old, booboo..he’s irrelevant to this.
Amare had knee surgery, he doesn’t have knee problems. The knee hasn’t flared up since he got the surgery..how is this a problem?
Gallo had back surgery, but he played every game last year and it hasn’t flared up. He’s young…how is this a problem?
You’re inventing injuries. If these were “problems” they’d keep these 2 out of games..when they don’t.
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 24, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
You can't argue
That Amare hasn’t had a history of injury problems. Nobody is inventing injuries. He’s had two major knee operations and has scratched his cornea twice to the point where he needs to play with goggles at all times or risk permanent vision loss. He’s one of the only mensurable players in the league. These are just facts.
I don’t think Gallo’s back problems are chronic. There’s no reason to think that they are.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Aug 24, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
unless I'm missing one
I believe you just did invent a second knee injury for Amare. He’s had one knee injury in 2005-06…and that’s it.
The eye injury is a freak injury. Its there and it caused him to miss games, yes, but its not an injury “problem”. It was a freak accident that has basically no repercussions other then the goggles, which don’t affect him.
He’s had injuries..yes. But its pure invention to call him injury prone, cuz he’s had 2 injuries in his career that caused him to miss all or a bulk of those seassons
And basically hasn’t missed a single game otherwise. .
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 24, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
He had microfracture surgery on his left knee
and then came back too soon and cited stiffness in both knees, although you’re right, he didn’t have a second operation.
He had a partially torn iris in training camp and then partially detached the retina again later in the season.
Injury concerns are valid. Ewing’s knees were insurable, if that gives any type of perspective.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Aug 24, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Not swaying either way, cuz shit happens
but anyone heard of Hines Ward. A sure fire football hall of famer (in my book, at least) who has played his career, all of 12 seasons, without an ACL. Amare’s injury is no doubt of the variety that you have to have concern. But nobody can judge the heart of a player when, like Amar’e, they battle back to perform at a high level, which he did, and no one can judge his ability to play out a healthy career. But anything can happen. To me it’s a moot point arguing over Amare’s ability to play out a healthy career. He can. But this is also an offense that puts a lot of mileage on the player’s legs To me, the only real argument with Melo and should we get him/sacrifice to get him, is can his defensive liabilities be outweighed by his scoring ability. Yeah, stats say he’s somewhat inneficcient. Eyeballs and performances say he’s a top flight player who needs to turn the corner. He can be a stone cold killer on the court.
In Gallinari’s case, we talk about his back, which I think will be fine this here, if not 100%. What’s missing in arguments is his feb. forearm injury which I think played a bigger part in his poor shooting after that. Nonetheless, dude does need to bulk up and improveme is movement on the court. I’d love to have until December to REALLY see what we’ve got on the court and how they can meld together. But whatever happens, I’m still a Knick fan and I’m rooting for the team we floor. I’d just like to see whatever happens, happen without the lame ass dog pony show of preference of late. If you wanna play here, screw the games and getcha butt over here.
Inventing injuries?
Ok….. Wana act like microfracture knee surgery isn’t something that should be considered when discussing future injury risk? Want to act like a kid having back surgery at 21 years old shouldn’t be discussed when gauging future injury risk? Fine, but they are factors. It doesn’t mean they are injured, and I never said they were injured.
Inventing quotes?
by al's brick foundation on Aug 25, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
they had the injuries.
they haven’t had recurrences or are bothered by them.
So, they don’t have “injury problems”.
Shit happened in the past..yes. But there’s a reason why medicine was invented, to cure you. These guys were cured.
Currently, they have no injury problems. Their past injuries as for right are just that..the past. Right now…they don’t matter.
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 25, 2010 6:41 AM EDT up reply actions
They do matter.
Maybe you think they don’t, but the idea that Mike D and Donnie don’t know about these injuries and have doctors constantly monitoring them is laughable.
by al's brick foundation on Aug 25, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
most people with back isses
dont have the money, resources or time to properly work on their back like the young gallo does.
Its not something to ignore, but the fact that he played a full season makes it something less prominent.
I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.
it's okay to be concerned about his back or amare's knee
but one injury does not indicate a chronic problem.
a : always present or encountered; especially : constantly vexing, weakening, or troubling b : being such habitually
Chronic may refer to: Chronic (medicine), a persistent and lasting disease or medical condition, or one that has developed slowly.
Insurance companies make more money by not having to make pay outs when accidents or injuries occur. So if you have had an injury or accident in the past they don’t want the risk it will happen again. And that’s why policies are voided and coverage isn’t provided for certain individuals.
Amare himself has played about 80% of all scheduled games throughout his career, despite him missing one season to one knee injury there is no evidence to suggest his knee is a consistent or chronic problem. In fact his knee didn’t look too bad dunking on mofo’s left and right last season
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Aug 28, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, the point of this is NOT that we should NOT look to improve
Of course every team is in a constant state of change.
But right now, we don’t know shit about what this team is capable of. You can say we are a 40 Win team all you want, but until games are played, that is pure speculation.
It’s no different than bringing in a superstar. Shit, getting Carmelo Anthony, Chris Paul, or Tony Parker doesn’t guarantee us a damn thing. So if there is no guarantee, then why be so adamant about moving pieces who we have not even SEEN together?
For all any of us know, this frontcourt of our of Gallinari, Randolph, Amare and Turiaf could be the perfect combination of talent for this system. It could also be the worst. But while a superstar MIGHT be available for the taking, we honestly may be fine just passing and going with what we got.
I love Carmelo Anthony (professionally), I really do. And its not about the sacrifice of a guy like Gallinari (who WILL go in a move to bring Melo), but how do we know it wouldn’t be an overkill on our part?!?!
We don’t. And that’s why we play the games.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Aug 23, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
professionally?
u get paid to do so?!
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
no homo
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Aug 24, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't totally disagree with you Al's Brick
However, I do believe that the idea is to get talent without giving up too much. Why give up Gallinari for Carmelo for example, when we would be a better team with both of them. We are in a situation where we can wait. Time is on our side, the longer we wait the more the price for such a player drops.
by Robert Currence on Aug 26, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
And ESPN has always been garbage, shit didn't start just this summer.
The thing is, it seems like a bunch of you are like ESPN thinks we will get Carmelo? Well I hate ESPN so fuck Carmelo too! It’s like okay, let’s not build the best team possible because ESPN said we should/might? Yeah, that’ll show them. Give me some fucken Melo.
by al's brick foundation on Aug 23, 2010 3:27 PM EDT reply actions
its not like that at all.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Aug 23, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont think
ESPN has much influence over the P&T crowd.
I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.
I disagree
everyday there is a fanpost about how somebody is sick and tired of ESPN rumors, somebody is sick and tired of ESPN trashing the Knicks, somebody hates SAS or Chris Broussard. I think ESPN has a massive influence on the P and T crowd.
by al's brick foundation on Aug 24, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
That's another thing
how come anybody who wanted LBJ or wants Paul or Carmelo now is considered “a bandwagoner”, or “not a real fan?”
by al's brick foundation on Aug 24, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
thats not a bandwagoner
I wanted LBJ and would love Paul. I dont even mind the idea of Carmelo, but he gives me pause… because of the cost of the trade, and his game fitting in… pause mind you, not doubt.
a bandwagoner P&Ter is someone who just comes on, screams and yells about something (prob something that was twat by an ESPNer), says things without knowing what they are (like trade Felton for Parker!!!), puts of fanposts that say the same thing the 3 prior ones did, and doesnt take the time to get in tune with the awesomely smooth vibe that seth has created.
I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.
and by awesomely smooth
i mean something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kLthMg6NbQ
I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.
I've had dreams
that i would do something like this in front of my then middle school talent show
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Or
you could question why people are so insistent on keeping a team they’ve never seen play.
It’s a dead time of year baskteball-wise, so of course this kinda shit runs rampant. If you’re tired of rumors, then don’t check the internet.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Aug 23, 2010 3:30 PM EDT reply actions
This is how I feel.
Half these guys have never even played a basketball game for the Knicks, the allegiance being showed is startling.
by al's brick foundation on Aug 23, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
My view is that
Donnie is done tinkering with this roster for the time being. He has rebuilt it almost from scratch and I think he is satisfied that they can win . How many wins? Who knows for sure, but I would not be surprised to see 40 plus. My guess is that there will be no more moves for a while.
Thiiiiiiiiiis.
"He's the straw that makes the drink go."
by Thelonious Dunk on Aug 23, 2010 5:34 PM EDT reply actions
good post there
I love Randolph already Felton and Gallo
I think after all we have been thru I think we reserve the right to want CP3 and Melo tho
lol seriously
could not agree more
part of being a fan is having emotional attachments to the players on your team. You should know and love the guys on your team, whether they’re established stars or not.
When you go out and swap out a huge chunk of your roster in one big flurry in favor of an established ‘outsider’, it gets rid of that organic and natural progressive feeling that you have for the team, and instead makes your team feel manufactured, impersonal, not as fun (* cough* Heat * cough*).
But if the Knicks were to acquire Carmelo or Paul this offseason, everything that we know about our Knicks would be eliminated and replaced. The team would no longer feel like our team, it would just feel like a collection of players. The emotional attachment would be decreased.
Therefore, rather than trading Gallinari, who has become the heart and soul of this Knicks team, for Carmelo, I would prefer the Knicks to just wait it out. Let’s see what this current Knicks team has. Let’s watch them go out there and overachieve and take pride in their accomplishments this season. Then after this season is over, and we are comfortable with what he have now, we can make that big-time addition and bring in Carmelo during free agency… if, that is, he genuinely wants to become a Knick.
Add: -Swapping Lee for the GSW players and acquiring Stoudemire wasn’t a genuinely earth shattering change to the roster. Most of the roster from last year still remained intact. It’s OK to make a ‘minor’ adjustment like that, as long as it fits the flow of things and doesn’t feel forced.
I agree with you
I mean, swapping out players you love watching and rooting for for a superstar to try to win that championship is a tough pill to swallow – and it reaaaally really sucks if you don’t end up actually getting that championship.
Losing Lee was a pretty big deal on this team. For us, as fans, Harrington and Duhon were guys we really, for the most part, didn’t enjoy rooting for very much. Lee I did enjoy rooting for but we knew it was very possible he would be gone.
Thing is, the guys they got for him all have reputations as good defensive players. Adding in Felton, this is what really has me excited. We have a bunch of guys that can and will play D. That’s why I’m excited and I don’t want to break it up for a guy like Anthony, who doesn’t have as much of a defensive reputation.
You must be really emotionally attached to
the 3/4 of the roster who have never even played for the Knicks, huh? Want a tissue?
by al's brick foundation on Aug 24, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
At what point do you stop with this "Grass is always greener" shit?
You haven’t seen any of these dudes play togetehr either… so what makes you think that trading them before you see them will make us any better? Just because Carmelo scroes 28 in Denver doesn’t mean he scores 28 in NY. He is just as likely to go down with an injury as Gallo, Ama’re or anyone else in the NBA.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Aug 24, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
no he's not.
Amare has knee issues and Gallo has back issues. He isn’t nearly as likely to get injured. And it isn’t about the grass is always greener on the other side. It’s about Melo is really sick and getting him would cap off a great off season. I’m not saying let’s get rid of Gallo, I’m saying if we can get Carmelo then why the hell not?
by al's brick foundation on Aug 25, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
And really?
You are asking what makes me think trading Gallo and Curry for Carmelo will make us better? Really?
by al's brick foundation on Aug 25, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
And why have you become so convinced that the only way to win is by doing what the Heat have done?
Which is a team who has yet to even win a single game.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Aug 24, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude the Heat are gonna destroy the league.
Getting the two best players in the league and 3 of the top 10 is a winning strategy. You don’t need to be a genius to figure that out.
And I don’t understand why you think that wanting to improve the team is reason for castigation. Carmelo Anthony would be the best player our team has seen since Ewing. Why is wanting him a crime?
Your disdain for certain fans’ relentlessly covetous attitude is understandable. Its ugly and obnoxious. But using unknown assets to obtain known assets with similar if not better ceilings is just good business. There’s no fault in that. It may not be romantic or organic, but in a results-hungry market, there’s little room for that. In a way I’m with you, because I’m a total sucker for unrealized potential and players having break-out seasons on teams that I root for, but for a fan-base so sick of losing, wanting Carmelo Anthony is the most understandable thing in the world.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Aug 24, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Me too. (And yo, I promise to stop talking about this after this post)
I’m really just defending one side because I see it as a complicated decision. Gallo is my favorite player and Melo is my favorite non-Knick in the league. It’s fucking cruel that I’m constantly hearing rumors about giving one up for the other, but with so many “sources” saying the same thing, it’s a rumor that I feel forced to entertain.
Obviously, the best case scenario is we wait it out and get them both next year, but doesn’t that sound like some hubristic shit? “Well we just won’t field a competitive offer for Melo’s services and he’ll wait till the NBA restructures its bargaining agreement so he can take a significantly lower offer than the Knicks can make him this year, which is already lower than what he can earn right now.” Thats some arrogant shit. I mean I know NY is the shit and all, but that’s pushin it.
So then you consider having to give up Gallo. I hate this. So much. Pardon my boner for both of these dudes (pause me, I dare you), but Gallo and Melo are fucking sublime to watch play basketball. I like Gallo more because he’s a Knick and I think he’s going to be a stud with a totally unique game and the gulliness to match, but damn if Melo’s game isn’t straight up sex. Dude could drop 40 on you without shooting the same shot twice.
On the other hand, you got people making the (painfully well-backed) argument that neither of these dudes are particularly efficient players. They could both afford to be more selective and both need to start offering more than just scoring. I begrudgingly accept this.
I really have no idea what I’d do (not that anyone was asking). Its a super hard decision to make, especially when you factor in how cheap Gallo is. I’m just gonna leave it up to Donnie and be happy with however it plays out.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Aug 25, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
And since this is +1 to a +1 of a +1 is it counted like 7 times as much? Did anyone else see Inception?
lol.
I hope I don’t sleep for 10 fucken years and miss the rest of Amares career.
by al's brick foundation on Aug 25, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not that i have a disdain here, and its also not that i want to stop improving
I’m saying that we JUST got a significant amount of talent and that it may not be as crucial to go out and make another huge trade for a superstar just yet. I;m not saying we give this current squad 2 seasons to gel either. But right now, at this current moment, it feels like many of us are ready to just keep wheeling and dealing. And that is actually fine with me.
But see both sides of this. One side is let these guys at least show us what they can do.. at least for a little bit! Fuck yeah I want Chris Paul, Carmelo Anthony AND Tony Parker. But right now, I don’t want to give up all of our assets if we don’t have to.
The other side is pull the trigger for another established star. Right now. Right now today. Right now this second. Pick up the phone as you read this Donnie Walsh.
Yes there are names apparently available. But available at their highest possible value… getting them now, might be BAD business, since it is quite possible they will still be around come February at a lesser price tag. There are not a lot of teams out there ready to pay such a price to get Carmelo Anthony, especially while he is hinting how he wants to possibly play in NY. And I am saying, lets just take a foot off the gas for now.
I mean it’s all understandable, but having gone through so many losing seasons in a row, I feel like we should be careful with what we have right now. It’s pretty universal that we are not looking for the title THIS season. We can still have high expectations, but if we understand that THIS year isn’t the title year… lets not blow our entire load before a game is even played.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Aug 25, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
The reason to do it now
is that the our assets have perceived value around the league. By “seeing what we have” we’re allowing for the possibility for those assets to depreciate. Say Anthony Randolph proves to be a giant knucklehead with increased minutes and Gallo continues to chuck threes at a 37% clip. We no longer have valuable assets.
Its also arrogant to think that these guys will just be there forever. We’re starting to hear about drastic differences in player salaries after the restructuring. Melo can make 22 million per year right now, so why would he risk making 2/3 of that?
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Aug 25, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
2/3 of 22 million
Is seriously a ton of money. More than even LeBron makes.
For all the dick moves LBJ made this summer, the one thing I respect is that he said it’s not about the money for him and he proved it. I think that did set an example for elite players to think about their priorities. When it comes down to choosing between a few million more and playing where you want to play, with the teammates you want… I don’t think taking the money necessarily wins out every time, anymore.
And while I know this has been pointed out a million times before, if Carmelo comes to New York, helps the Knicks become an elite team and maybe even win a chip… he’ll be making so much more in endorsements than he could in Denver (a 3rd tier media market) that his NBA salary will be pocket change.
I’m not saying that the new CBA doesn’t loom large, but I don’t think it’s arrogant to think that free agents will weigh all the factors seriously and consider the intangibles rather than just chasing the biggest possible paycheck. At the end of the day he’s making tens of millions every year, wherever he signs, whether it’s now or next summer.
to you and me its a ton of money either way
but I hate the argument of saying an athlete should be happy with $15M instead of $22M.
Its all proportional. Would you be pissed if your job sliced your current salary by 33%? Fuck no.
And LeBron doesn’t get a pat on the back for taking less money. It wasn’t like he signed for $10M instead of $16. He gave up $1 Million a year. In this NBA thats not a difference-maker. And with Miami havgn no income tax, he essentially makes out just the same.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Aug 25, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha, I work for a tiny non-profit, if my salary was cut by 1/3
I’d get evicted from my apartment and probably have to eat my cat.
I think most people, including Carmelo Anthony, could manage to scrape by on “only” $15mm a year + millions more in endorsements, ya know?
I just think it’s not giving players enough credit to assume they have some Pavlovian need to chase the biggest paycheck possible regardless of any other factor. I think it’s nice in a way that Lebron made even a symbolic gesture that winning > money. He didn’t have be such a douche about it, but still.
Sure,
but I’ve been fortunate enough to spend some time around people raking in seriously big bucks, and the absolute LAST thing these people want to deal with is someone who doesn’t make their type of $$ telling them what they should be able to live on and such.
Not trying to call you out though, man. Just making a small point
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Aug 25, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
truth
But on the flip side you’ve probably known some people who have turned down a bigger payday to take another job they wanted more. I definitely have. I don’t know… it’s all just stupid speculation at this point.
I think Donnie needs to set up some 2-on-2 drills open to the public starting like, tomorrow. Not for the players, for my sanity.
Id love some basketball news thats is not based on perspectives too, man
And yeah, I love when players take less money. Guys like Dirk and paul Pierce, who both will get paid very well, but they opted to leave plenty more than $1 Mil on the table, and neither of thwem have gone to the media talking it up either.
You wish more players were like that, but I choose not to hold it against any that say “look I wanna get PAID”. My only thing is i wish they would have the courage to stand up and say “yup..its about the money.” I wouldnt lose any respect for them over that.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Aug 26, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
A TON OF MONEY??
Thats CHUMP change dog.
Even to a bum thats chump change. B/c from a bums perspective: Any man who has 15M to their name is a chump, and couldnt wear the socks(if he has them) of a bum for a day.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
I agree it IS arrogant to think these guys might be "waiting on us" persay.
I just really really want to see how this team looks on the floor together though.
You said it right earlier about the “pain” of making choices like a Gallo for Melo in that regard.
But do you really think that NOW is the best time to make a jump like this? I mean as much as our assets have perceived value…. we would really have to pay an extraordinary price to land a big name like that.
And that sort of makes me worry, considering the recent trend of NY bringing in ready-made stars…. McDyess, Marbury, Francis, etc… Hardaway and McGrady don’t count as they were both on the downside anyways.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Aug 25, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
you act like the Nuggets
who right now, with Melo are a better overall team, have been winning and are a dynasty.
Melo is a great scorer and someone who I want on the team, but its not like getting him = championship.
…it doesn’t.
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 24, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
no, it doesn't.
but getting the best players give you the best chance to win a championship. Kobe didn’t do shit when he was alone on the Lakers, why would you expect Carmelo too? But look what happened when Kobe got Gasol. Even with Billups, Denver was really good, if Karl didn’t get sick who knows what Denver could have done this year. Team Melo up with Amare and we have a sick duo that will cause havoc for the eastern conference.
by al's brick foundation on Aug 25, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
the Lakers are more then Gasol and Kobe
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 25, 2010 6:42 AM EDT up reply actions
you always ignore the parts of a post you don't have a response for
take something out of context and debate that point.
Kobe didn’t do a goddamn thing with the Lakers when he was a one man show. Why would you expect Melo to be able to do more?
by al's brick foundation on Aug 25, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I ignore the irrelevant parts
but that’s OK
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 25, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I dig the new team,
but I think y’all are smokin’ something to not want to continually try to improve team!!! That’s the goal… to get better. Anyone who feels adding Carmelo would decrease emotional attachment is CRAZY! Do you think the Heat fans are feeling a lack of love for their new team? They’re gonna enjoy Winning. Something we haven’t done consistently in 10 years!
Look, I agree, let’s not pine for players like we did for Lebron, but if there are chances to get better NOW, take those chances…….. I thought it was, “In Donnie we trust”! I’ll take any improvements he makes now or during the season.
"Umm - it was - you know - umm - a good game. You know."-
Patrick Ewing (my Knick Hero)
by Ren Carlos on Aug 23, 2010 8:21 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
well..
if this offseason represents the one and only chance for the Knicks to get Carmelo Anthony, then sure, they should go ahead and take that opportunity.
But if Carmelo Anthony genuinely wants to become a Knick, then he will not be traded and will become a free agent next offseason. Then the Knicks can sign him without losing Gallinari.
and this is the point that many miss....
the Knicks are not a chip team in 2010-11 with or without Melo. As soon as you realize that, who in their right mind is trading for Melo now unless he’s really on the block?
Next offseason they get Melo and tweak the roster as they see fit; you then have Chandler, DWTDD (remember him?) AR and Gallo a year more experienced and then throw Melo in there and you have about 7 players who I’d say are pretty strong.
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 24, 2010 6:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I feel the same way
Plus next year we could add maybe a better C like Chandler or Nene and if we miss out on Melo go for a 2 guard like Jamal or somebody.
I feel that if we trade for Melo, we’ll lose our good young assets and not have enough talent to surround he and Amare
We'll have to renounce Chandler in order to have cap space for Melo
That’s why he’s an attractive trade chip… unless we totally whiff on Carmelo Chandler is probably not going to be a Knick next season one way or another because his cap hold this offseason is outrageous.
we have no idea what the CBA will be
so who knows what we will have to do.
I am really just hoping there is no lockout.
I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.
You're right
We should try to improve the team. But we don’t really know what we have here. I see offensive efficiency and defensive desire and positive team attitude at every position on the floor. I’m really excited about the sheer number of guys they now have that have reputations as good defensive players. And they’re all young.
Yes, at this point, it’s all hope, and it stands to reason that we will get frustrated with some of these guys. But on paper, I see 50 wins here, with a young core that can grow together and get better and better. And with the critical team defensive culture, enforced by the leadership players, that is needed to compete for a championship.
These are the same conversations we had about Lebron?!?!
If next year… …. if we add a better center. I want to see us do well as a team but have absolutely nothing invested in most of these players. I love Gallo, but I’m not sure of his ceiling and definitely don’t think it’s anywhere close to Melo. AR is a project , and could amount to a hill of beans. I’m focused on the now and not this idea of what could happen. Someone says to me, CP3 or Melo or any PROVEN star is available now I’d, again, trust what Donnie thinks is right (not using the cliche’ again). Saving cap space leaves us flexibility but doesn’t guarantee our getting anyone to bite when we want them to. Admit to yourselves as glad as you are to see what Donnie did with the D Lee Trade & Amar’e, this was at the least plan B. A was Lebron and co. and not a one of us (no matter how much we try to convince ourselves) would be screaming about cap flexibility if we’d have landed them.
"Umm - it was - you know - umm - a good game. You know."-
Patrick Ewing (my Knick Hero)
that's not really fair, though, nobody at SF is on LeBron's level yet
(nobody who can sniff 25-30ppg that is). Durant might get there but he’s not an option for us.
Anyway, Carmelo’s not bad at defense. Like Amar’e I think he doesn’t always give maximum effort, which is definitely a problem. But honestly, I could care less if Amar’e and Melo are dogging it a bit on D during those games when we’re blowing the Raptors out by 30. Both of those guys live to rise to the occasion and both have a strong tendency to elevate their games during the playoffs. When the season is on the line, they’ll be playing D. And each can be a pretty damn good defender, when they want.
The issue isn't whether or not dudes are AVAILABLE
ANYONE is available for the right price.
But right now that price is just too high and we do not have any pressure to on ourselves to pay it.
Look, I’m not saying this team is a finished product. Of course it isn’t. But it’s like we just bought a brand new car and it’s nice and polished and shiny-like, but we haven’t even opened the door yet and turned the engine on. And now just as we are ready for our first test drive, we hear about a newer similar ride that costs a chunk more but it looks soooo nice and now we want THAT one!!!
I mean, shit, as good as that newer ride seems, don’t you at least want to drive what you have around the block first?! Even once??!!
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Aug 24, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
If I went to the dealership,
and I bought a nice m5 (gallo), and on my way out of the dealership, some dude came up to me and said look, I have this RR Phantom (Melo), but I’m going through this divorce and my wife is trying to get her hands on the car, I’m going to lose it for nothing, so you know what, I’ll give you my Rolls for your Beamer if you throw in this piece of crap old station wagon (Curry) that I can pawn off on my wife in this settlement, I would take that deal in a second. It’s nothing against Gallo, it is just that Melo is better. It’s a huge upgrade.
by al's brick foundation on Aug 25, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
good analogy lol
b/c the RR cost of ownership should be mor than the already expensive benz parts..
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Dude if you take your example, why are you letting the guy dictate the terms
His Rolls is Gone, wifey is taking it with her unless he gets rid of it for something, so why give him the beamer when you can possible give him a station wagon and if he is nice maybe throw in a camry (Azubuike?). And one more thing in your scenario, we are actually in the position of Wifey, since we will be one of the teams that can clear enough cap space to sign the guy if he goes to free agency.
by Robert Currence on Aug 26, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Look, if this is our team this year
I want to root for and see us do well ,but have absolutely nothing invested in most of these players. I love Gallo, but I’m not sure of his ceiling and definitely don’t think it’s anywhere close to Melo. AR is a project , and could amount to a hill of beans. Azebuike is coming off a bad injury and we’re not even sure what he can provide. We’re all hoping for a breakout year from Felton & Chandler. Amar’e could get Mcdyessed! How many games are we projected to win then and who on our roster could take over the scoring load (please don’t yell at me for this one, I know he played 80 games last year it’s just hypothetically speaking)?
Someone says to me, CP3 or Melo or any PROVEN star (that fits) is available now I’d, again, trust what Donnie thinks is right (not using the cliche’ again). Saving cap space leaves us flexibility but doesn’t guarantee our getting anyone to bite when we want them to. Admit to yourselves that as glad as you are to see what Donnie did with the D Lee Trade & Amar’e, this was at the least plan B. Plan A. was Lebron and co. and not a one of us (no matter how much we try to convince ourselves) would be screaming about cap flexibility if we’d have landed them. Free is right that we are not winning it all with or without Melo this year but, presently constructed, we could win 50 games or 30.
"Umm - it was - you know - umm - a good game. You know."-
Patrick Ewing (my Knick Hero)
See, a lot of your points are fine, but they are easily spun both ways
Sure, we are talkin about a top player in Carmelo Anthony. And yeah we have younger lesser players in Gallo and Randy now. Yep, Azuibuike had knee surgery last season. Yup, Ama’re might have knee problems down the road. But you know what else? Gallinari took major developmental strides last year in terms of leadership, scoring load, defensive improvements, and proving his health. Randolph is some amazingly athletic and talented that you are hard-pressed to find a critic who disagrees that Randy can be a star in this league if he gets consistent minutes. Ama’re has played the last few years nearly injury FREE and has continued to develop into a terrific basketball player who is primed to prove to critics that he can handle a leadership role on a team without Steve Nash. Nevermind that he was a 20/9 guy BEFORE Nash arrived in Phoenix.
Now D’Antoni has built a team of athletes from end to end. Nearly every player on this Knicks roster can play multiple positions on the floor and most of them have defensive talents as well. Walsh has assembled guys who love to run and play fast. These guys can also shoot.
Of course, ADDING another proven star like Carmelo would do wonders for this team, but again, his price is TOO HIGH!!! Instead of getting glamoured by Carmelo, think about what obtaining him does to this team THIS year, next year and beyond. If bringing him aboard guarantees a championship, then sure, do it right now. But if it merely makes us more exciting on paper and then prevents us from being major players in the next monster FA class (of which he is possibly the headliner if he doesn’t get traded) then our flexibility is gone and we are set up for a chance to repeat what happened with Steve Francis, Stephon Marbury, Eddy Curry, and every other high priced star that has come to NY and ended on a sour note.
No, Melo doesn’t seem to be like those other guys, but how many times must we make these moves and allow for that risk?? I’m not knocking Melo here, guys. I’m saying the principle of trading our most promising youth for a veteran is what he was have always done and it keeps blowing up in our faces. I WANT to bring in Melo, but I don;t want to give up the players necessary to obtain him. FAgency is another thing though…
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Aug 24, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I prefer to build a team like what Thunders did instead of what Heat did
Getting a bunch of all starts and perhaps get some champions are exciting. However, I’d rather build up our team patiently and make it stronger and stronger year by year. The champions with our continuous efforts are much more tasty than quick ones. I think we are doing the right thing: get potential young guns and make them become all-star (like Lee). Even when we need to trade them, we trade them for more potential young players. Also, we protect our salary cap so that we can get super stars from FA (like Amare). The point is we DO NOT mortage the future for gambling on some stars (like Curry). The major reason that we have trouble on getting CA or CP3 is we are lack of trading baits. We should do our own homework and make our potential players become stars. Even if we need to trade them, we trade them for lottery picks, top super stars (with right cost), or more potential players. I really like CA and CP3. But I think at this point we shouldn’t sell the whole team for them. If we are ready, eventually they will route to Knicks, one way or the other. Thunders didn’t do any magic and still have a very competitive team with very healthy financial status. When they win the title, they win not only the honor but also the respect. Heat has done an amazing job on recruiting 3 super stars as well as some other good players to help the team. Though it is almost a complete different team. If I have choice, I’d rather see those beloved players like Gallo, Chandler, AR graw in house and become a competitive team, even the cost is time.
I believe the Thunder are going to the finals this year.
Durant is a beast – on both ends of the floor, and Westbrook is damn good (once Westbrook was picked, I thought Gallo was a decent fallback). Durant being tough defensively, as their best player, it has created a defensive culture there. That team plays deep-in-the-playoffs type of D. They were a couple of ball-bounces away from knocking off the Lakers in the first round.
You wana build a team like the Thunder?
Oh okay, let’s just get another kevin durant and we’ll be all set! Because those guys come along so often!
by al's brick foundation on Aug 25, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
You know what he means...
not that we’re gonna wait for and expect a Durant… but that we’ll grow our own contender with young talent. We have a lot of potential on this team as it stands and the way I read chenpo’s post is that’s the way he’d prefer it.
Nothing about find an all-world player as you allude to…
First step to rebuilding like OKC
is to get top 4 draft pikcs 4 years in a row. So…
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Aug 26, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
give it another year or 2
Kristic and Green is really not a championship-caliber frontcourt. I do like the addition of Mo Peterson for cheap since Sefolosha is the Jarred Jeffries of shooting guards IMO.
This is true
But I’d give him another year or two as well.
I like how this team is built for the coach's system
I like the players brought in (especially Slim), and I like the chances we have at making the playoffs this year. But this:
Donnie Walsh’s original plan was NOT to have a championship team ready to go in 2010.
is nonsense.
You don’t blow up a team over the course of two years nor make the risky trade that was the McGrady trade if you’re not trying to build a championship team now. He went, uncharacteristically, for the home run with LeBron and missed. That’s fine. But if Donnie didn’t set out to win championships with this drastic purging; losing time after time merely to satisfy a goal of becoming a young darling like the Chicago Bulls were a few years back, then I’m following the wrong team.
My name's Gus Johnson; I get buckets.
No, there is a difference between "Win NOW" and "Win"
The Celtics, Lakers, Heat & Magic are types of teams who are in “Win NOW” mode. Teams like the Thunder, Blazers & Suns are of course looking to Win games, but they are simultaneously strengthening their teams for a run in future seasons.
This is not at all saying Walsh isn’t looking to win either. Of course taking a single sentence out of an entire post is inevitably losing the context with which said sentence was written.
Of course Walsh isn’t turning his back on a title, but the Knicks remade their entire team this summer… Teams primed to win look to tweak what they have, not just turnoever the whole team. Miami is an exception here too.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Aug 25, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
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