Nuggets Trying To Send Melo To The Wolves, Kings And Nets
Sam Amico of NBA.com is reporting that the Nuggets are looking at three teams as destinations for All-Star forward Carmelo Anthony -- the Nets, Kings and Timberwolves.
"Early word around NBA is Nuggets will try to trade Carmelo to 1 of 3 teams: Wolves, Kings, Nets. In other words, careful what you wish for," Amico wrote on his Twitter page.
The New York Post reported on Saturday morning that the Nets are a "legit" suitor for Anthony.
An NBA executive was quoted as saying that New Jersey as the right pieces to acquire the forward.
So I'm up at 3:20 in the morning on P&T... Just kill me now! Anyway, here is another Carmelo Anthony thread, keeping the curious happy is what I do. Don't expect too much from this, if either of those teams trade for Melo without it being a sign and trade they are truly ridiculous. So ridiculous it's laughable. I would take joy in seeing the Nets give away everything for Melo just for him to leave in the offseason and sign here. I think the Nuggets are just trying to make deals with every desperate team out there to see who bites. Kahn might, the Nuggets are playing this thing smart! That new GM doing his job.
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lol
melo put 5k on kat stacks head on twitter, i expect a fine or sum type of punishment from stern by 2moro
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he was hacked
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
TURRIBLE!
Ha! Sure, okay.
I guess the Nuggets couldn’t work out a trade with a team that actually plays in Siberia so this is the best they could do? LOL. Yeah I totally see Melo as a Timberwolf.
I'd love to see him go to the Wolves or Kings
I would be kinda, sorta, almost/..maybe worried if he goes to the Nets, cuz that’s the only one of these 3 teams that he has a shot of signing the contract.
He goes to Minnesota..who cares? I doubt he’ll sign the contract there, and if he does he’s dumber then we all thought. Kahn is the worst GM in the NBA.
Sacramento has a lot to offer, but what will they have after acquiring him? Tyreke Evans I’d assume is off the table, but what else?
I dunno what the Nets are giving up either, but its probably Derrick Favors + a couple others to make the salaries work..but what salaries do they have to match up?
idk
cousins is gonna be a beast and tyreke is gud i mean he could be great. they wont contend for a ’ship now but they could in 2yrs if they add more pieces but i doubt the kings will be able to keep both cousins and tyreke if they get melo
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by IB on Aug 29, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Cousins and Casspi
Should the Kings accept that for Melo? Just curious.
"You're like that old, beat down restaurant with the dirty bathrooms, weird customers and foul odor, I'm like that new shiny restaurant across the street with the bright neon lights, fishes in the floor and 2nd floor gymnasium. Why don't I have any customers?!"
by MikeTheIntern on Aug 29, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
naaaaa
i mean i personally think cousins is the next versoin of dwight howard if he works on his game and stays in shape so i think the kings would be better off keeping cousins and including evans. but i do agree casspi has to be involved in any trade for melo
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by IB on Aug 29, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Given the situation
if you add a pick in there I’d say it was fair…at least as fair as Curry+Gallo
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Aug 30, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
2 years?
I doubt Melo wants to waddle around out of the playoffs for 2 years.
Cousins still gotta play the real games too. Eddy Curry had a Ho hell of a lot in common with Cousins coming into the league…give it time.
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 29, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
ur right
they did say some of same things about curry but i think cousins will be much better. eddy curry is a fool we know that but thats his fault. i think cousins will play inspired. personally idc how gud he does bkuz he’s not a knick but i can see him standing tall as the west dwight howard
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by IB on Aug 29, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Cousins is a fool as well.
His attitude problems and immaturity are his main flaws.
"You're like that old, beat down restaurant with the dirty bathrooms, weird customers and foul odor, I'm like that new shiny restaurant across the street with the bright neon lights, fishes in the floor and 2nd floor gymnasium. Why don't I have any customers?!"
by MikeTheIntern on Aug 29, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
true
but den again alot of 19yr olds are fools. we wont know how gud he’ll be til his 3rd season. by then his cracks should either be cemented or leaking lol. idk i jus think he’ll be real good. his dunking ability is fantastic as well as his overall game in the post sumthin curry never could do. and now that i think about wen curry was drafted one of his knocks was that he didnt defend too great but he had a superb post game…he never got better. i dont see cousins as being the type to not improve. like i said he has a chip on his shoulder. people have been knockin him since he was draft eligible. personally i like a nasty streak in players, evident by my love for our Gallo.
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by IB on Aug 29, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait a minute... how is the Nets are only giving up Favors plus filler now?
Dude is a rookie, never played an NBA game in his life and isn’t even projected to start this year. I can’t wrap my head around how Gallo + Curry = not enough but Favors + some randos is going to land the Nets Carmelo.
I bet the Nuggets will insist on Lopez. I doubt even Favors and Harris gets it done, because what does Denver need Harris for with Billups and Lawson (also, Harris kind of sucks)
by flossy on Aug 29, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Finally someone see's that Devin Harris isn't that great.
I agree on all counts. Favors might be a fucking bust. I could care less when he was picked, your seriously saying that the Nuggets want an unproven rookie, plus BUM and BUM and not what we have to offer? Lopez, Favors plus BUM is what would be asked for. Maybe more.
"You're like that old, beat down restaurant with the dirty bathrooms, weird customers and foul odor, I'm like that new shiny restaurant across the street with the bright neon lights, fishes in the floor and 2nd floor gymnasium. Why don't I have any customers?!"
by MikeTheIntern on Aug 29, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed, Favors is very much unproven at this level
Although, Denver IS in the market for a strong PF, which Favors projects to be.
I doubt the Nets give up both Favors AND Lopez though. But What NJ does have is a lot of 1st rounders in the next couple years. Given they are not likely to be a playoff team THIS season (well..MAYBE if they get Melo.. but not if they give up Lopez in the deal) those picks could be high picks next year.
Favors + 2 1st rounders & salary filler might get it done, unfortunately.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Aug 30, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
No disrespect to you
But I couldn’t give a shit if it was enough or not. It boils down to where he wants to extend or sign. If he goes to the Nets he’s gonna think “Oh fuck, no way I’m staying here in Newark for another year just to play in Brooklyn. Not to mention that the Nuggets with me are 5x betters then the Nets are with me. I rather go back to Denver then stay with this shit team.” You know what, I’ll say this rant for a thread of my own.
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by MikeTheIntern on Aug 30, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
wait...isn't this ur thread?
rant man rant! tell em why you mad son!
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Aug 30, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
on nets board
the untouchables by commity are: lopez, favors, and harris…wft lol.
Ive seen most agreeing that terrence williams, james, a few 1sts and a additional 2nd rnder is better than letting favors go. Now i know yall be on that gallo juice..but this is some homer shit right here. Not even homer shit, but dumb shit.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
who is this james kid they're so crazy about over there?!?
but obviously not so crazy about they’d trade him, I’ve never seen him ball. He any good?
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Aug 31, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
shit if u ask me.
i dont know em either
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
This is so dumb
I mean, so dumb. This is just stuff being floated out there for some reason. I’m not going to take it seriously. Who the fuck cares who the Nuggets want to trade him to?
Seriously
Not even David Khan is stupid or petty enough to give up anything of value to fulfill the Nuggets management’s revenge fantasy.
“Hi, this is the new Nuggets GM. We’re trying to screw Carmelo Anthony by exiling him to some godforsaken shithole for a year. For the low, low price of some nice young players and draft picks, that could be your shithole! So, whaddya say?”
“click… dial tone…”
I actually think Kahn would pull the trigger on it
I don’t think he’d care one way or the other if the deal went down right before the dealine, Melo refused to sign an extension and he ended up being there for a few months.
I’m no expert but part of me thinks Kahn would believe he could convince Melo to embrace Minnesota. I don’t know how Wolves fans will feel about that tho….very curious.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Aug 29, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm, I guess nothing is out of the question with Khan
If Beasley plays really well they could package him or Love along with one of their 9348938 point guards and throw in some picks.
But again, the next NBA superstar to land in Minny by choice will be the first. And Beasley and a PG may be expendable for Minny but it’s still a bum deal for the Wolves if Melo bolts at the end of the season, which he surely would. Meanwhile the star you just traded for is piiiiissed and your team is still only meh.
wait a sec
david kahn is retarded we’ve seen that over the last two years the man has no primary plan.
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by IB on Aug 29, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't wanna think he's retarded
david kahn is retarded we’ve seen that over the last two years the man has no primary plan.
He makes it hard tho…III’d say unconventional…it leaves room for error should his plans actually pan out…stranger things have happened.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Aug 30, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
To be fair, trading a box of garbage for Michael Beasley was a good move
Very low risk/high reward.
I'd do it
I mean beasley aint a bum, he’s got the raw skill but who knows what it will take to tap into that potential.
I don’t think Miami was ever too big on him, Rose went at 1 and I think they made the safe pick everyone expected them to make at 2.
Is Minnesota the best situation for him? could be, but it’ll be interesting to watch unfold.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Aug 30, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
there's just really no way
that if this is who the Nugs want to trade him to, that he’ll be going there. The only team I’ve heard that makes a lick of sense is the Rockets..but what do they have to offer?
And I said it in another thread, but Melo basically makes the Rockets “complete”, meaning they can’t really add anything other then some MLE type carcasses Once they’d get Melo’s 20+ mill on the books, they’re done. Plus, Brooks, Martin and Melo are 3 shooters. No slashers…just shooters…that really doesn’t work.
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 29, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Its easy to see why these partic 3 are rumored to be ideal for Denver
they could give fuck about what Carmelo wants. But The Timberwolves, Nets and Kings are teams full of future draft picks, and very young players on their teams. Denver could get a number of solid future talent from those teams, plus multiple draft picks.
Yeah Carmelo has to approve if it is a sign & extend… and he won’t unless its NJ (which Im sure hed consider). But yeah this is also just another sign that nothing is imminent.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Aug 30, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually buy in to this.
Think about it, the Nuggets have went to 3 of the worst teams in the NBA and told them “We want to hear offers for Carmelo”. They’re only hoping that one of the teams are dumb enough to trade for Melo and hope he extends with them. There are some pretty dull brain people in this world and they have to make the call to these teams just to see if they bite. They’re gonna call every team to hear what they have to say. I don’t think he’ll be traded to one of these teams but I think the report may be accurate.
"You're like that old, beat down restaurant with the dirty bathrooms, weird customers and foul odor, I'm like that new shiny restaurant across the street with the bright neon lights, fishes in the floor and 2nd floor gymnasium. Why don't I have any customers?!"
by MikeTheIntern on Aug 29, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
you're right
the report is probably fact…these 3 teams do have some nice young talent…a Boston pups for KG like stock of young talent.
But while KG had a no trade thingy..I think, Melo essentially does too.
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 29, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
It makes sense that the Nuggets would push for these teams
Aside from that, no one really likes us. We always get written off, but it comes with the territory. I’d hate us too, all other teams see is a bunch of idiots who somehow sell out every night and make shit loads of cash without having won anything or even looking decent in the last 15 years. And now it just looks as if we’re trying to return to relevance by stealing other teams stars.(Not that we’ve been too successful with that)
I seriously doubt Melo would sign just to go to the Kings or Wolves but NJ seems like a serious threat but again if he wants to be on the Knicks, he’ll be on the Knicks no matter who reports what.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Aug 29, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point.
I don’t expect love from the media, they all hate us and I kind of enjoy it.
"You're like that old, beat down restaurant with the dirty bathrooms, weird customers and foul odor, I'm like that new shiny restaurant across the street with the bright neon lights, fishes in the floor and 2nd floor gymnasium. Why don't I have any customers?!"
by MikeTheIntern on Aug 29, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
yea
being the target of hate is always a pleasure n it gets better when you start winning
In Donnie We Trust!
by IB on Aug 29, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly.
That’s why I love it. Watching them pout when we win. Haven’t had that feeling for quite some time as a Knick.
"You're like that old, beat down restaurant with the dirty bathrooms, weird customers and foul odor, I'm like that new shiny restaurant across the street with the bright neon lights, fishes in the floor and 2nd floor gymnasium. Why don't I have any customers?!"
by MikeTheIntern on Aug 29, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
yea
well get ready my friend bekuz this year i see espn and news networks around america proclaiming they knew the knicks would be improved and they’ll probably place all the good fortune on amare or d’antoni lol
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by IB on Aug 29, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
and they'll prolly still say
but they wont get out the first round
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by IB on Aug 29, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I know you're a Giants fan but as a Jets fan
I know that this would happen. Same with the Jets, once we made the playoffs everyone hyped up Revis and our defense, before we made the playoffs we weren’t even talked about.
They said we would lose to the Bengals and we won, they said we would lose to the Chargers and we won. Since we lost to the Colts they say “The Jets fell short 30 minutes away from the Super Bowl. Same Ol’ Jets”. That’s bs, once we fail they will crucify us for it.
Im excited about the Knicks but do I think we are championship contenders? Hell no, not now and when we do get eliminated from the playoffs they will eat it up. “Knicks still don’t have what it takes” “The Big Apple is feeling small” “D’Antoni may be replaced” Be ready for these bs statements, they’re coming.
"You're like that old, beat down restaurant with the dirty bathrooms, weird customers and foul odor, I'm like that new shiny restaurant across the street with the bright neon lights, fishes in the floor and 2nd floor gymnasium. Why don't I have any customers?!"
by MikeTheIntern on Aug 29, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
lol i totally agree
also ur man sanchez isnt lookin too hot in the preseason any thoughts?
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by IB on Aug 29, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
GGN Article
How much does preseason matter? Let’s take a look at some numbers.
Quarterback A: 70% completion percentage, 2 touchdowns, 0 interceptions, 102.8 quarterback rating
Quarterback B: 67.7% completion percentage, 2 touchdowns, 2 interceptions, 90.4 quarterback rating
Quarterback C: 62.3% completion percentage, 0 touchdowns, 2 interceptions, 67.5 quarterback rating
Team A: 4-0 record, 80 points scored, 32 allowed
Team B: 0-4 record, 53 points scored, 100 points allowed
Identities revealed after the jump.
Star-divide
Quarterback A is Cleo Lemon during the 2006 preseason.
Quarterback B is J.P. Losman during the 2006 preseason.
Quarterback C is Drew Brees during the 2006 preseason. Brees went on to lead the Saints to the NFC Championship Game that year.
Team A is the 2008 Detroit Lions, the only team to go 0-16 during the regular season in league history.
Team B is the 2009 Arizona Cardinals, NFC West Champions and one of the last eight clubs standing.
Preseason doesn’t mean much. That is unless you think Lemon and Losman are better than Brees.
http://www.ganggreennation.com/2010/8/28/1655386/the-value-of-preseason
"You're like that old, beat down restaurant with the dirty bathrooms, weird customers and foul odor, I'm like that new shiny restaurant across the street with the bright neon lights, fishes in the floor and 2nd floor gymnasium. Why don't I have any customers?!"
by MikeTheIntern on Aug 29, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
But in my own words.
I need to see more from Sanchez, he isn’t looking too good, but it’s only preseason. He definitely needs to get it together, I don’t sip kool aid for any player and Sanchez’s head is on the chopping block this season, all we need is a decent QB or above average QB and the Super Bowl is ours. Flacco, Mcnabb, Hasselbeck, any one of those guys and Super Bowl parade in New York is inevitable. Sanchez needs to get it together. Back to basketball! lol
"You're like that old, beat down restaurant with the dirty bathrooms, weird customers and foul odor, I'm like that new shiny restaurant across the street with the bright neon lights, fishes in the floor and 2nd floor gymnasium. Why don't I have any customers?!"
by MikeTheIntern on Aug 29, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitely Agree
still i’d like to see more from him. but i think it has to do with the staff babying him…but ur right back to basketball
In Donnie We Trust!
The line aint playing up to par
at least on pass protection, The guy is getting creamed but still, he needs to learn to hit his check downs or take the hit
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Aug 30, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Nets votes?
Yes, i understand they’ll be moving to Brooklyn in 2 years but why would he seriously want to extend there and not here? He’ll have to stay in Jersey for 2 years and the team won’t have either Brook Lopez or Devin Harris.
I don’t think he wants to be in that shithole anyway, no big name player is gonna want to be on the Nets after winning .5 games last year. Why would he extend there and not here? We’d have a way better team after trading for him and if he went to the Nets we’d be able to beat them with the team we have now. I just don’t see why he would want to get traded there and not here.
I don’t see the Nets as a big threat, these players are real people, they know the Nets suck just as much as we do. I dont give a shit what there roster looks like on paper, a team that loses as much as they did sucks and thats the bottom line. I’m not worrying about the Nets, he’s gonna go where he wants to go but he won’t be going there unless he wants to be in Brooklyn that bad.
"You're like that old, beat down restaurant with the dirty bathrooms, weird customers and foul odor, I'm like that new shiny restaurant across the street with the bright neon lights, fishes in the floor and 2nd floor gymnasium. Why don't I have any customers?!"
We aren't really an option up there.
I figure out of those 3, only the Nets have any kind of chance, that’s all. Very likely he wouldn’t sign there though either.
I agree.
For what they have to give up in order to get him, he would not be playing for a contender if he agreed to sign there. Same with the other teams. The Nugs would be more competitive with him than those teasm would be with him.
At least with the Knick, assuming we offer either Galo or AR and not both, he would make the team an instant and seriously viable threat to take the East.
out of the 3
the Nets are the only ones that could possibly have a chance at contending if they added Melo. So I think they’re the only option up there.
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 29, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
And Melo grew up in Baltimore
so Newark for 2 years ain’t exactly gonna bother him
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 29, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the Nets are gonna be much better than they were last year
They have a good coach and a sound starting 5, I still don’t think they’ll make it to the playoffs but they are better and they’ll get wins because alot of teams will still think of them as that same nba laughing stock as last season. They’ve made significant changes and I should also note as much as they sucked ass last year….they did still kinda beat us.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Aug 29, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
But we sucked ass as well. Just less then they did.
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by MikeTheIntern on Aug 30, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
i wonder
y didnt denver contact the wizards. they could at least get gilbert…lol i jus wanted to say that bkuz i went to the denver blog and noticed they wish for us to get arenas smh we’re hated everywhere
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by IB on Aug 29, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure they're over there tryna cook sumthin up
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Aug 30, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Its not that Melo would want NJ over NY
But Denver actually holds some cards here. They dont want to lose Anthony for nothing, obviously.
But if you think about it, well, Carmelo wants that max extension and he doesn’t sign it this season, he aint gonna get that same money after this new CBA is figured out. So Denver could find a package they like and go right to Melo and say “Hey, if you want out, this is your ticket. If you want your extension, this is the only way you are getting it.” So even if that team is NJ, Melo’s choice would be:
1. Sign Extension, play in NJ (or whatever team is willing to deal with Denver)
2. Hold out for the season so you can choose your own team and leave the extension money on the table.
Yeah, Denver could get nothing for Carmelo, but they have to be willing to play that card if they want to get an ideal package back.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Aug 30, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
yo son....
I just heard mike say, that was the most ridiculous shit he ever heard….u gonna take that!
I agrees btw, good point.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Aug 30, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
MIKE! get down here right now!!
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Aug 31, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Smack!
Instigator we have here, classic new yorker!
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by MikeTheIntern on Aug 31, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
But Melo would just say:
Hey, I’m not going there. If you want ANYTHING for my departure, you’ll send me to the Knicks.
if he's at all interested in the money, he'll at least consider other teams
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Aug 30, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course. And he should.
But I think the Nuggets have much more to lose than he does. Theyre measuring something vs nothing. While Melo is measuring a lot vs a whole lot.
and that's what the front office should be counting on
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Aug 30, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
If he puts demands like that, the Nuggets will (or at least should) say
If you want to go to NY then don’t sign your extension.
Yeah, Denver might lose Melo for nothing, but they aren’t gonna let him strong-arm them. Right now, they are pissed at him. Shit has gone sour in Denver in a hurry.
It’s easy to talk about leaving money on the table, but lets be honest… how bad does Melo want out of Denver? I don’t know exactly how much he would be leaving on the table, but I think it might be like $5-6Mil per year??? If thats the truth, that IS a lot to leave, man.
The more i think about it, the more convinced that this is going to end up with Carmelo either getting his extension, OR getting the team he prefers. But I don’t think he is gonna get both.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Aug 31, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe he can get both.
Denver hired a Yes Man GM, Carmelo might be able to scare him enough to get him traded where he wants and he’ll get the money and the team of his choosing.
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by MikeTheIntern on Aug 31, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah, its the owner he has to deal with
Their new GM is on a leash and I would be willing to bet that the first thing they said to him was “dont you dare cave”.
Its just a classic game of chicken. Denver wants prospects, Carmelo wants money. Which side balks first?
I say Melo will agree to play for the team that lands Denver the most talent. When it coms down to it, he is not going to leave multiple millions on the table when all signs point to a new CBA with cheaper contracts.
"you're the Rod Thorn in my Chris Bosh side."
by Chris Child's Fist on Aug 31, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think he'd leave that cash on the table either.
Unless his desire to play on a certain team is strong enough to overrule the money but I doubt that. Shit, I’m from New York and I’d like to play for the Knicks but I’d sign with the Nets or even Celtics if it meant an extra 65M.
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by MikeTheIntern on Aug 31, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
it's more like an extra $20mm over 3 years
But I feel you
i think melo could talk himself into sacramento
but the kings would probably (definitely) have to trade cousins to get it done, which probably ruins that pipe dream. i guess that the Nets really would be the front runners given that they have no qualms about giving up Favors.
but then again, i sort of think that kahn would trade K-Love, Rubio, Beasley, and some first rounders to get this done. that would be very exciting, to see Kahn drive the final nail into his coffin and have Melo become a free agent.
by latrell chokewell on Aug 29, 2010 4:30 PM EDT reply actions
That would be a fulfilling thread.
Kahn burns down Minnesota. Post it on their site and let the recs pour in.
"You're like that old, beat down restaurant with the dirty bathrooms, weird customers and foul odor, I'm like that new shiny restaurant across the street with the bright neon lights, fishes in the floor and 2nd floor gymnasium. Why don't I have any customers?!"
by MikeTheIntern on Aug 29, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
if the t-wolves are dumb enough 2 sign darko
they will be dumb enough to believe they can extend melo
by noonyp6 on Aug 29, 2010 8:00 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Lol
I agree
"You're like that old, beat down restaurant with the dirty bathrooms, weird customers and foul odor, I'm like that new shiny restaurant across the street with the bright neon lights, fishes in the floor and 2nd floor gymnasium. Why don't I have any customers?!"
by MikeTheIntern on Aug 29, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
dude...
if the t-wolves are dumb enough 2 sign darko…
I shit you not, I was just reading one of the Canis Hoopus’ Carmello threads and someone actually suggests the Wolve’s would be crazy to include Darko in a trade for Melo!
Now, I didn’t see anyone agreeing with this so it’s hard to say this is the majority opinion but really???
I thought Darko kinda got the shaft and wasn’t given much of a chance here but still…and people thought not giving Gallo up was ridiculous.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Aug 30, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Someone on the other proposed trade thread
doesn’t want to include Turiaf in a trade for Melo because it will leave us too thin up front. Homerism is hell of a drug.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Aug 30, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
9 out of 10 times
it usually is, I think Turiaf is very expendable cosidering we have 2 centers, Jordan in timbuktu and Amare who can go minutes at that spot but Turiaf is probably the most competent and aware at the 5 (aside from Amare who can play there but is a 4 who likes playing the 4)
I wouldn’t call it homerism tho because being thin there is a legitimate concern. We have bodies but Curry has been pretty useless, Mozgov is raw etc…
You’ve got to consider Carmelo changing his mind on coming here himself if we give away pieces that make us weaker. It does matter who we give up for him, You think he’s still interested if we have to trade Amare to get him?
Not saying that Turiaf is Amare, because If the Nuggs accepted Turiaf instead of Gallinari I’d have him over here before the ink dries but the point is, it does matter who we give up for him and things like position depth do matter and Carmello is probably paying attention to who we move in order to evaluate how strong the team will still be afterward.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Aug 30, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea man I feel you
but its Ronny Turiaf. He’s not that good.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Aug 30, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
yup, I agree
he does bring some things to the table but he’s a good role player at best.Good defender, swats shots, efficient with the shots he does take..not really an option on the offensive side, he is the type of player when organizations look to get better is the first one they look to include in the trade as filler.
Having said all that, he really is our best option as a true center. I mean who else do we have that we’d put down there to start?
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Aug 30, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
He is it
Like you said, hes the number 1 fillr guy you include, as well as the straw that stirs the chemistry drink. And with the overhaul we made this past summer, the need for himas a chemistry strong player is high.
Other than turiaf tho, we would either have guys play out of position(like all of last year) with amare, or AR. Or have the inexperianced guy in mosgov.
He is no guy you deem untradeable..but in this particular sistuation, he is of great value to a team. If we dealt him it isnt as big a change compared to him being here.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Prediction
He’ll barely get off the bench by January.
He’s not D’Antoni’s kind of guy and will slow down what could be a very-fast paced team. Randolph and Amare will take turns at the 5 and they’ll go small a good amount of the time. Turiaf will be used for certain matchups and fouls.
Guy averages 5, 4, and 1 and shoots a higher FG% than FT%. He’s really not that valuable. I know he’s loveable, but he’s a backup, even on shitty teams.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Aug 30, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed, unless Mozgov is an epic dud
We will probably go small and fast. I see people all over place assuming Turiaf will be our starting C… I really hope that is not the case. Maybe, at the beginning of the season, so that Randolph can find his groove and Amar’e can tell himself they’re not starting him at the 5.* If Mozgov really impresses maybe he gets the nod and the Knicks go big.
Turiaf will be great in certain situations, like if the Knicks are getting really pushed around in the post or smoked on the PnR. He is what he is, he does what he does and he has a great attitude, but that’s as far as it goes. If someone other than him or Stat can play themselves into the starting 5 spot it will mean good things for the Knicks.
*if Randolph really blows up though, I think Amar’e will start at center and like it.
which is why the Carmelo thing doesn't bug me either way
I think we hav a good shot at him but if he chooses to go resign in Denver or god forbid NJ I’m cool because we don’t have small forwards who put up 30 every night but we do have capable players at that spot who can easily combine for 20 and 10 which is very productive.
Center and shooting guard are positions of greater concern so going wacky over Carmelo is kinda like going out of your way to buy $20,000 rims for your honda civic.
Nice if we have him, no big deal if we don’t, as long as we try and do so responsibly.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Aug 30, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I was hoping P&T made a league every year.
I’d join that. Anyone know if there’s a P&T fantasy league for the upcoming season? Seth where are ya buddy?
"You're like that old, beat down restaurant with the dirty bathrooms, weird customers and foul odor, I'm like that new shiny restaurant across the street with the bright neon lights, fishes in the floor and 2nd floor gymnasium. Why don't I have any customers?!"
by MikeTheIntern on Aug 29, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone probably would take barron.
Everyone seems to be high on him. But yeah banning Miami players would be fun. Personally, I wouldn’t want to take one of them just because of the fact that I don’t want to cheer them on. That being said, I would have to take one of them if they fell into my lap though, I couldn’t let someone else run off with them. Banning them is the best solution, to both those problems. Not sure if that would happen though.
"You're like that old, beat down restaurant with the dirty bathrooms, weird customers and foul odor, I'm like that new shiny restaurant across the street with the bright neon lights, fishes in the floor and 2nd floor gymnasium. Why don't I have any customers?!"
by MikeTheIntern on Aug 29, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
i believe last season was the first year that P&T had an official fantasy league
Don’t know if it was successful, but Seth was GM, so it probably was. Guy’s a winner.
"Game Knows Game"
by Ray Smuckles on Aug 29, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Well if there's another this year I'm all in.
Trades, smack talk, male bonding time… I’m in.
"You're like that old, beat down restaurant with the dirty bathrooms, weird customers and foul odor, I'm like that new shiny restaurant across the street with the bright neon lights, fishes in the floor and 2nd floor gymnasium. Why don't I have any customers?!"
by MikeTheIntern on Aug 29, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm totally down.
"He's the straw that makes the drink go."
by Thelonious Dunk on Aug 30, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
You do the math
The Nets won 12 games and we won 29 That means we are roughly 2 &1/2 times better than them. Take away Brook Lopez and they’ve got nobody Same type of math makes us twice as good as 15 win Minny who are not giving up Kevin Love or even Rubio’s rights for a year of Melo. None of those teams have anywhere near the assets that we do. I suggest an even up trade. Melo for the corpse of Eddy Curry. It’s a win win. Almost.
win win for us
but that trade wouldnt get past the secretary.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
I'm a Knick fan, You're a Knick fan
so don’t get me wrong all I wanna do is see the Knicks win, but trashing other teams doesn’t help us win.
I should add the Nets annoy me habitually but even if we are 2 1/2 time better than them…they still did beat us last season. Also, last season is last season, doesn’t have jack to do with this upcoming one. They have a much different team as do we.
If you sleep on anybody once to often they’re liable to strike when you least expect.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Aug 30, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
The point was
that everyone seemed to be trashing us for not having any assets when clearly that is not the case. In the best case for us Melo would play out his last year and then sign up with us costing us nothing and create a formidable team. But the man wants his money and he wants it now. Can’t say that I blame him. Lala wants to come to New York for career and family reasons. That means it’s us or Jersey. If Melo really wants to compete for a title then it’s gotta be us and he should not break up the team to get here.
I may be stupid but I am not an idiot,
or is it "I may be an idiot but I'm not stupid. Oh...nevermind.
if melo is all about winning with the knicks
he would not sign an extension and then join the team this summer with whatever cap space theyve got when curry expires instead of taking apart the team to get his money
with the current team if u add a player like melo 2 amare and all the good supporting pieces
then you have a good team
and perhaps the chance to trade 4 cp3 after
but if melo is acquired in a trade then the knicks will have very little after melo and amare
I hope Minny gets melo
b/c that is the least place where i expect melo to extend to.. let Kahn win the bid of shipping a bunch of talent and/or picks their. Id love to see melo sign via FA here. Thats the best case scenario. Then get horford if Raymond felton plays better than what we’d get dollar for dollar vs getting cp3/dwill
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
pretty sure the Hawks will off as much as they can/as much as it takes to keep him
But Horford would be the perfect C to put next to Amar’e. I would sign him up real quick if we could
me likes me some perkins
perk, amare and gallo? now that frontline got some swag
ehh.. perkins barely kept up with bostons Offense.
his size and defense is v good though
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Perk works for Boston but I don't see him fitting in here
as long as Pringles is at the helm at least. He’s great on D but a liability on offense and we sort already have the poor man’s Perkins in Turiaf.
If Minny gets Melo
and keeps K Love they could do some real damage.
I may be stupid but I am not an idiot,
or is it "I may be an idiot but I'm not stupid. Oh...nevermind.
ahhh,
That means it’s us or Jersey. If Melo really wants to compete for a title then it’s gotta be us and he should not break up the team to get here.
agree for the most part but you forget the nuggets part in this…the same way Carmelo can refuse to sign, the Nuggets can refuse to trade. It essentially can turn into a game of chicken to see who’ll blink first.
If the Nuggets blink and believe he’s really stubborn enough to not sign the extension before the trade deadline…then he’ll be a Knick
but…
If Carmelo starts getting shook, thinking of all those millions left there on the table he could of had, knowing he may never get another payday like this once the new CBA goes thru then…he’ll still live in NY but he’ll be commuting to work in Jersey.
If Melo the money is that important to him then he’ll consider NJ because the Nuggets prefer them due to the fact that despite their record last season, they have enough young talent to offer a better combo of players AND picks.
It makes no difference to the Nuggs who has the better team and if Carmelo thinks playing with Brook Lopez instead of Stoudemire is a concession he can live with to get that big payday…then the Nets should very much be considered a threat.
The Nets simply have way more attractive tradeable assets than us. That doesn’t mean they have better players or a better team…just means they have better assets. If they want they can offer TWO first rd picks plus whoever and still have a 1st rd pick for themselves.
It all boils down to Carmelo keeping his cool when the Nuggets play hardball and exactly how much the Nets are willing to give up to get Anthony. Outside of that it’s out of our hands because I doubt nothing we offer is trumping THIS Plus two draft picks.
The realization may change many peoples perception on how to approach this situation but I firmly believe if Carmelo decides he wants his money and the Nets are willing, there aint a damn thing we could offer to stop them. sorry.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Aug 30, 2010 9:21 PM EDT reply actions
That was a fucking excellent synopsis
Seriously, this is required reading for anyone who feels strongly about this trade one way or the other.
Assuming Melo wants to play in NY as badly as it seems, the crux of his decision is whether wasting two years of his prime rebuilding/in Newark is worth the extra dough he could be guaranteed. Make no mistake, he will be a super-ultra-megastar once the team moves to BK, but he’ll have to waste 2 peak years for it. If he wants to only go to the Knicks badly enough, he’ll just refuse to re-up anywhere else and force the Nuggs to take any trade just so they can get something. The problem with relying on that strategy, even if Melo is set on NY, is that an immediate contender can make an offer that Melo basically can’t refuse. That’s why the Knicks need to include something of value (i.e. Randolph OR Gallo). It just needs to be good enough where the Nuggs brass can even look their fans in the eyes afterward and contenders won’t say “well if that’s all its gonna take”. Chandler, Buike, ECC, and Walker doesn’t achieve that goal.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Aug 31, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I for one
plan to get cozy with what we have and if fate smiles upon us and Carmelo is determined to be here, i’ll be a happy man. This is not something the front office can mess up even if they wanted to. If we don’t get Anthony it won’t be for lack of trying or anything we didn’t do.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Aug 30, 2010 9:36 PM EDT reply actions
Someone has been listening.....
Glad to know.
by JerzeeBalla on Aug 31, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
This is what's up.
"He's the straw that makes the drink go."
by Thelonious Dunk on Aug 31, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
iight
i think im retiring from this thread now…im all melo’d out.
Giants football. THen knicks training camp.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
yea
Melo would be a fool to stay wit the nets

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