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Am I right or am I left? A different perspective on the Knicks wing positions

In terms of debate, few topics have plagued the Knicks community (specifically the Posting & Toasting community) as much as "who should start at shooting guard?" Some contend that it should be Wilson Chandler, who is probably the best athlete the Knicks have who can somewhat capably cover two-guards. Others opine that, pending health, it shouldn't be any other player than Kelenna Azubuike, who is one of the better shooters the Knicks have to offer. Others make a similar case for newly acquired Roger Mason Jr. Miketheintern's recent post on rotations offers a hyper-height line-up with Danilo Gallinari at the two. Throw in Bill Walker, Toney Douglas and potentially Landry Fields, and you have a bona fide debate not only concerning starters/non-starters, but playing time in general. Will Mike D'Antoni go with a longer rotation than he has in the past? Will We see Anthony Randolph at the three-spot? Will Gallinari prove to be defensively capable of defending quicker shooting guards even a little bit?

Well, I would like to offer a different perspective. Rather than basing wing-rotations on experience, pedigree and defensive identity, I'd like to offer some food for thought concerning something that hasn't been a topic of consideration: shooting percentages.

Star-divide

 

Right Shot

Right Made

Right %

Left Shot

Left Made

Left %

Right-Left Diff

Gallinari

293

119

0.41

318

120

0.38

-0.03

Chandler

214

82

0.38

170

54

0.32

-0.07

Douglas

124

46

0.37

88

37

0.42

0.05

Walker

45

21

0.47

62

24

0.39

-0.08

Mason

189

81

0.43

147

58

0.39

-0.03

Azubuike

150

55

0.37

212

85

0.40

0.03

Randolph

49

22

0.45

59

18

0.31

-0.14

Stoudemire

127

53

0.42

199

81

0.41

-0.01

Felton

171

64

0.37

171

64

0.37

0.00

 

Average:

0.41

0.38

-0.03

This table represents the shooting percentages of each potential wing player the Knicks have to offer. The statistics and percentages are each from last (regular) season, except for Kelenna Azubuike, whose stats go back to the previous season due to injury. "Right Shot" and "Left Shot" represent the volume of shots each player took from each respective side. You can figure out the rest.

Clearly, the Knicks as a unit shoot much better from the right side of the floor than from the left side. I would assume this to be the general rule for the NBA in general, as right-handed players far outnumber left-handed players. Right handed players generally have an easier time going right on the drive, so it's easy to imagine they would be better shooters from that side as well.

Getting back to the Knicks, there are some tidbits of this chart that are interesting, some that are useful, and a couple that are both.

1. Danilo Gallinari shoots the average from both sides. This could have a lot to do with the "average" being a culmination of all shot attempts, and Gallinari taking by far the most shots from each side, but it's still interesting.

2. Wilson Chandler is below average from the right side of the floor, which is unfortunate because he is deplorable from the left side.

3. Raymond Felton took the exact same number of shots last year from both sides of the floor. Think that's strange? How about: He made the exact same number from each side as well, shooting 37% from both sides.

4. Anthony Randolph's statistics are limited due to equally limited playing time, so just keep that in mind and try not to put too much stock in his numbers. The same can be said for Bill Walker, except he is both older and more of a shooter than Randolph. For both reasons, I would trust a little more in his numbers than Randolph's.

5. Toney Douglas, as expected, breaks expectations. He shot significantly better from the left side than from the right. Herein lies the basis for my article: wing pairs.

Because Douglas shoots what could be considered "very well" from the left side and "not-so-well" from the right, it would make sense to draw up plays with him on the left side. Now, all you have to do is find another wing player (preferably a taller one who could capably defend small forwards) who shoots well from the right side. Scroll down the list and take your pick of: Gallinari, Walker, Mason or Randolph. Choose the one who could defend the opposing personnel most adequately, and plug him in. You then get a "2-3" pairing of Douglas and Gallinari.

Let's try again. Take Gallinari, who you would imagine is in line for big minutes this year, and find him a counterpart who isn't Douglas. Azubuike, Mason and Walker all shoot above-average from the left, so choose one from that group. All would potentially work guarding whoever Gallinari could not, so in order to decide we have to consider other factors. Based on the personnel the opposing team puts out on the floor, do we want Gallinari driving to the hoop or shooting over his man? If the former is the case, then Mason is your answer. If the latter is the case, you'd probably want Walker or Azubuike, both of whom are proficient drivers and finishers at the rim. 

The addition of so many big men to the Knicks roster affords them the luxury of playing athletes within their positions rather than upping their statuses (David Lee, Wilson Chandler, Danilo Gallinari) from small-guy to big-guy. The remaining spots (Small Forward, Shooting Guard) can thus try to create a symbiotic relationship with one another rather than try to double-team even the most mediocre of big men. It's an exciting prospect to think of Mike D'Antoni unleashing nine or ten players per game rather than seven or eight. It means more running in the third and fourth quarters as well as better fits in terms of drivers/shooters and scorers/defenders at the smaller positions.

This should not be taken as a definitive rule, it's just something to think about in the dog days of the offseason.

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good stuff as usual osborn

smart thinking that different combos of players would compliment each other more efficiently at the 2-3 spots. Hope someone in the Knicks office is crunching these same numbers.

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by Ray Smuckles on Aug 31, 2010 4:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Interesting as always, big guy.

If there were any coach in the NBA who would think like this, it’s D’Antoni. Having more or less platoons of a 2 and a 3 is a great way to both break down traditional positions and have the most bang for your buck on offense.

The only problem is that it doesn’t account for defense and matchups as well as I would like. No biggie tho, it’s all for discussion.

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by Thelonious Dunk on Aug 31, 2010 4:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Don't necessarily disagree

with your thinking, but it flies in the face of the way we are told coaches think. D’Antoni and many coaches in the league believe less is more. meaning a shorter rotation leads to better overall chemistry and understanding of respective roles. I for one would like to always have fresh and energetic players on the floor, it seems that NBA coaches will choose their 3-4 fave role players to come off the bench, leaving the remaining active players on a roster to collect splinters.

by The Bronx-178st on Sep 7, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Finally A Story!

This is great.
Pairing Gallo with Buike sounds fun, but having both Mason and Gallo on the outside would be exciting to. Lets not forget Buike’s long ball either though. Its a tough choice.

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by MikeTheIntern on Aug 31, 2010 4:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Interesting

I’ve always thought basketball success has a lot more to do with finding a complementary group of players.

Don’t know if the left / right breakdown is real or an anomaly. But for sure, the point is for guys to shoot from where their percentage is highest.

Chandler, Mason and Azubuike took more shots from the side where they had a higher percentage. Gallo, Toney, Walker, Randolph, and Stoudemire took more shots from their poorer percentage side.

And Raymond Felton’s curious symmetry simply means he’s the best possible point guard for this system, and he’s got his work cut out for him.

by fuhry on Aug 31, 2010 5:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Good Idea but

This is something opponents with good scouting reports will probably sniff out quickly. I would also guess, though I cannot back this up, that the Left/Right percentage breakdown varies from year to year, especially with perimeter players and set shots.

Still, I like the thinking.

by gbnypat on Aug 31, 2010 6:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice job...one fallacy

DWTDD means hitting the OPEN shot from anywhere. This I have seen.
Methinks better spacing prove soonest.

Also no range shown here. Not ruling out layups that I can tell.

Good idea though on a rule for pairing. Could also go defensively.
Which pairs give up least points.

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by Olbrannon on Aug 31, 2010 9:49 PM EDT reply actions  

SG should be walker/azibuike

Chandler doesnt have a lot to contribute. Walker keeps getting better (and he’s lost a ton of weight) and i dont know much about azibuike but supposedly hes a very good shooter.

by jayvb on Aug 31, 2010 10:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Walker looked pretty weak in Summer League.

After losing all that weight, it almost seemed like he wasn’t used to it and needed to adjust to his new svelte self. Hopefully he irons out all of those problems in training camp.

"He's the straw that makes the drink go."

by Thelonious Dunk on Aug 31, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

AzUbuike

Sorry, just like for us all to spell our players’ names correctly. U, not an I

Azubuike.

Cary on

by jlaw on Sep 2, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Please Already

If you want to win you have to go with the front line of Stoudemire/Turiaf/Chandler. The two is for Azubuike and Mason to fight it out and the rest of the guys at the two and three fit in off the bench. Enough with the BS again about Chandler at the two or D.Gallinari already.
We want to win not dream what you think can win for us. Root for this team the right way towards victories. R.Felton/Mason or Azubuike/Stodemire/Turiaf/Chandler. the rest contribute in the rotation off the bench. Is it hard to see this as the winning formula? I see it and will root them on towards victories. GO Knicks!

by Dziedzic on Aug 31, 2010 11:01 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm curious to hear why

you justify starting Chandler over Gallo.

I mean, with a good reason, you can support it. I just can’t think of any good reasons.

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by Thelonious Dunk on Aug 31, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

this has been argued countless times I think

he doesn’t have remotely close to a good reason.

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 1, 2010 6:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess the bigger thing here is

“what is the right way towards victories?”

Dziedzic, seems like you are very annoyed by this post. What gives? Obviously NONE of us have the inside track of what the Knicks will actually do, but how does your suggested frontline and Azubuike/Mason differ from the ideas Osborn posts here?

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by Chris Child's Fist on Sep 1, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Azubuike Has to be healthy.

Yes he along side Gallo is excellent. But he might not be back until December I heard.

by Mike441 on Aug 31, 2010 11:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice Analysis....

Outside the box is always appreciated.

by JerzeeBalla on Aug 31, 2010 11:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Team Chemistry

I think that Osborn is on to something, with his focus on team chemistry; however, I’m not as concerned about the Knicks’ capacity to put points on the board as much as I am about their capacity to defend effectively— particularly in the low post. My take on this is that the additions of Felton and Stoudemire will improve the Knicks’ offensive consistency, and that they have a number of guys who can shoot and score. I have serious concerns about all of this talk about moving Gallinari to the guard slot. I don’t think that he has enough quickness to play the guard position. I think that the decision regarding who should start should be made during training camp, and based upon performance. I think that the decision should be based more on who has the capacity to defend effectively, since the Knicks team defense has been atrocious, over the last few years. The difference between shooting 43% versus 42% doesn’t seem like that much of a deal. There are so many variables to consider. I like the additions of Turiaf, and Randolph, and I think that they will help the Knicks interior defense. The jury is out on Mozgov. I’ve seen limited action of him, but he does have size and surprizing agility for a man his size.

by markstripes on Sep 1, 2010 8:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Raymond felton

does everything he can to confuse us. But training camp is in 24 days!

by gian casimiro on Sep 1, 2010 9:19 AM EDT reply actions  

AR's

stats seem crazy since he’s left handed. Really enjoyed this piece, just curious do you have the breakdown of 2 pters vs 3 pters? I’d be interested in seeing if theres any difference.

by philee on Sep 1, 2010 9:27 AM EDT reply actions  

P.S.

I’m sure there are pretty stark differences for some players, yes.

by Osborn on Sep 2, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't see why Gallo shouldn't start at 3 and Chandler at 2.

Chandler has played 2,3,and 4 positions it seems equally during his short career. And has been effective at each. His only problem is he needs to work on his 3pt. shooting. Gallo can play 3 or 4 positions, until he learns more and gains experience. Azebwki or whatever his name, is coming off a knee injury, and should be brought along slower. Start the best, most healthy lineup, to start the season.

by gaga71 on Sep 1, 2010 9:43 AM EDT reply actions  

azubuike

should be brought along slow like you said. And I’m with you on CHandler having the 2g spot for him to lose. Although it isnt unanimous; Chandler has played the 2-4 respectively, but as a guard, he needs to improve his handle and deep mid to 3pt shot to be complete at the 2. Bookie brings the typical skillset to the 2 naturally..and in time should push chandler to the marion utility role with TD as sixth man.

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by semsemma on Sep 1, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

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