Thoughts on Chandler
by Kupe on Sep 1, 2010 12:48 PM EDT
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The more I think about it...the more I realize I don't want to trade him. He's been dangled as an asset for every, single, trade. I really don't like losing him for 3 reasons. Jump...
1. His skills - Everyone says Chandler doesn't have a great jump shot and his handles are a lil suspect. I don't really buy it as being unfixable.
Shooting:
| Year | Team | G | GS | MPG | FG% | 3P% | FT% | OFF | DEF | RPG | APG | SPG | BPG | TO | PF | PPG |
| 07-08 | NYK | 35 | 16 | 19.6 | 0.438 | 0.300 | 0.630 | 1.1 | 2.5 | 3.6 | 0.9 | 0.4 | 0.5 | 0.77 | 2.37 | 7.3 |
| 08-09 | NYK | 82 | 70 | 33.4 | 0.432 | 0.328 | 0.795 | 1.1 | 4.3 | 5.4 | 2.1 | 0.9 | 0.9 | 1.70 | 3.05 | 14.4 |
| 09-10 | NYK | 65 | 64 | 35.7 | 0.479 | 0.267 | 0.806 | 1.4 | 3.9 | 5.4 | 2.1 | 0.7 | 0.8 | 1.66 | 2.83 | 15.3 |
| Career | -- | 182 | 150 | 31.5 | 0.451 | 0.308 | 0.779 | 1.2 | 3.8 | 5.1 | 1.9 | 0.7 | 0.8 | 1.51 | 2.84 | 13.4 |
Look at his stats: every season he has improved his shooting percentage besides the three pointers. At Depaul he played a lot of PF, so he hadn't been shooting jumpers as often as we ask of him in this system. The improvements in his shooting percentage should definitely be noted. This guy has been working every season on his flaws, and has significantly improved. Free throws were a problem for him; now he is an 80% shooter. I'm convinced Chandler will be a more efficient shooter this year and a great 4th option.
2. His Attitude - Remember Silent Wil? The guy who would score, win, lose all with the same expression on his face? Who would barely ever talk or give interviews? I notice he has started giving a lot more interviews, been more vocal, and talked a lot about having to be more of a leader this year. He realizes his weaknesses, addresses them, and improves. I love this guy and I don't want to lose him. pause
3. His Defense - Chandler won't hesitate to guard anyone, and has played the stretch four for us through his career. He gets close to a steal and a block a game, and generally gives his man a hard time of scoring. Remember that game-saving block he had last year in the last seconds on Josh Smith. For those that don't: The Block.
Keep Chandler!
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I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.
by gbaked on Sep 1, 2010 3:22 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I seen him on KLN last thursday.
He gives off a good vibe, I kind of want him to stick around. Definitely don’t want Rudy here for him.
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by MikeTheIntern on Sep 1, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
i think people are more concerned about
his jump shooting, rather than the overall percentage. in particular, that 3P% is ugly.
that said, i wouldn’t trade him either. i think that Chandler is undervalued around the league; if he had real trade value, donnie would have moved him by this point in his pursuit of cap space. might as well hang on to him, since he’s at least a decent rotation player on the cheap, and is still young enough to really improve. no reason to sell on Chandler if we can’t get anything back for him.
by latrell chokewell on Sep 1, 2010 3:47 PM EDT reply actions
I do not believe that he is being shopped
We have not heard anything from Donnie that suggests he is being shopped, and what little we have heard from Pringles concerning him seems that he still factors in his plans and whether he starts or comes off the bench he is going to play significant minutes. We have heard he is being shopped from Berman and Isola and we know they make shit up all the time.
As a former spot up shooter I don't think Chandler's problem is his mechanics
He actually has a decent release and excellent touch. I think he’s low convergence percentage on his jumpers is due to his subpar ball-handling. If you look at him dribble he (like a lot of NBA players) is looking at ball, which indicates a lack of confidence and/or ability.
With his jumpers (I don’t have any numbers to back this up) I recall him either shooting off the pass (without using his dribble) which most often than not isn’t exactly in rhythm, or as a second option to an unsuccessful drive, in which case he is definitely not in rhythm or usually off balance. What helps him is his hang time and good natural touch (which you can really see when he pulls up to closer to the basket off the dribble).
I think once he improves his ball handling, even only if he practices particular moves and variants from specific points on the court, he will be able to reach his favorite spots in rhythm and confidence and will improve his jump shooting percentage rate.
by Nilov on Sep 1, 2010 4:34 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm not too sure about that
I love Chandler and all but the one thing I noticed when he shoots is he puts his foot forward before shootin…like he shoots with one foot in front of the other instead of parallel. This ain’t the right way to shoot and will make you off-balance.
Donnie's bout to beat the NBA game like he got a cheat code
tell grant hill that
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
He'll continually be rumored to be being shopped
until he can consistently hit the open 3 and or long 2 . If he can do that the handle really isn’t even a big deal because he could still at least keep defenses honest with the threat of the shot or a drive n dunk on top of their goddammed heads.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Sep 1, 2010 5:03 PM EDT reply actions
Is he the long term answer at SG on defense / SF on offense?
If not then who cares if he gets traded?
I would much rather have a Shooting Guard in D’antoni offense that can actually… you know… shoot.
Ship him out for better future assets or players locked into bargain contracts (i.e. Marcin Gortat) since its not like were winning it all this year anyways.
Oh and just because his shooting percentage went up doesn't mean he can actually shoot jumpshots...
It could easily mean that he is just getting better at getting to the hole and making more layups. If he can’t shoot 3 points then he cant shoot jumpshots.
Dwight Howard has improved his shooting percentages since his rookie year as well… does this mean he can shoot jumpshots too? =(
The lost art of the midrange jumper
that is how he improved his shooting % but not on the 3. He’s developing into a solid player.
Donnie's bout to beat the NBA game like he got a cheat code
Marcin Gortat? Bargain contract?!
He’s getting paid $7-8mm per through 2013. I get that his numbers aren’t great ‘cause he’s stuck behind Dwight Howard, but that is a lot of long term money for a guy who has averaged less than 4ppg and never averaged more than 13 minutes per game. We already have a young foreign center with upside on an actual bargain contract—3mil per year with only one year guaranteed.
yeah i prefer my "Per 36 Superstars" to make
less than $2mm/year, like Randolph. 13 mpg is just not enough play to project solid production as a key member of your team, which someone making $7mm/year should be IMO. At least AR got 22 mpg last year before the injury, so it’s not completely ludicrous to say well, if you take his per 36 averages from last year… and assume around 30mpg this year… and factor in better coach, better system, better teammates, more muscle and growth in his game… holy crap AR could turn into a real beast. Gortat is athletic and a good rebounder but I don’t think you can make the leap to say well, if you tripled his playing time he’d average 12/12. I like his game alright I just think he’s overpaid.
lol
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Sep 2, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
You guys are crazy
if you don’t think Gortat is a steal at 8m per, even though possibly not for the Knicks. If you’re a team that whose offense can utilize a traditional center, you could do a lot worse that Gortat. He’s big, physical, relatively agile, and has a nice touch around the hoop. He’s a starter on 80% of NBA teams. And locked up long term at 8 mill is a bargain.
Those snickering at his projections, remember that just because these figures aren’t always right doesn’t mean they’re always wrong. Gortat actually has a very projectable type of game (rebounding, close shots, low fouls) and its not like he’s riding pine because of fear of exposure with large minutes. Its cuz he’s Dwight Howard’s backup.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Sep 2, 2010 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I know
leading the league in FG% with starters minutes. Who would want that?
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Sep 2, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Right
They shouldnt count.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Sep 2, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Dont see how that relates to anything at all.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Sep 2, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude you've got to be trolling for trollings sake
because you cant actually believe the shit you’re saying. I know you’re trying to be smug and cute, but you’re really not doing yourself any favors.
You’re hating on high-efficiency scorers because its too “easy”? Really?
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Sep 3, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Word.
I actually agree with ABS here…just because someone’s scoring methods ain’t pretty, its not a reason to hate on him. I’d rather WATCH Hakeem play than Shaq fling elbows and dunk on everyone, but I would LOVE Shaq on my team (in his prime). I’d love Hakeem too…shit this rant isn’t going anywhere. Basically, if a player is on my team I don’t care how he scores as long as its efficient and works.
Donnie's bout to beat the NBA game like he got a cheat code
eh, he's not that big though
About the same size as Amar’e or Horford, in other words a PF masquerading as a C. A poor free-throw shooting, no jump shot having back-up PF playing C for $8mm/year. I’m not a fan of giving players the big money based on their projected numbers as a starter. If he met those projections and averaged a double double, great, then he would be worth $8 mil. If not, you’re stuck with an overpaid, underproductive big man who will be difficult to trade.
And honestly if he were really all that
Why doesn’t Orlando start him at PF and move Rashard Lewis down to SF where he pretty much belongs?
He's 6'11 and 250
If that’s not an NBA center, I dont know what is. Plus he costs under 7 for last year and this year and just over 7 the next two. That’s a good contract. The only centers in the league who are better value are those under rookie contracts. Gortat is locked up through his prime. He’d give you similar, if not better, production to what Dalembert, Okafor, Chandler, or Haywood give you at 2/3 of the cost. Dallas was going to make him their starter until the Magic had the good sense to match. They realize that at that price he’s a valuable trade asset and best-case-scenario insurance for Howard.
I would take him at his contract over Ronny Turiaf 11 times out of 10. Anyone who thinks Turiaf should start for the Knicks and that Gortat is just a “solid backup” are crazy,
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Sep 2, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
It's not a question of Gortat vs. Turiaf though
We’d have to get rid of the equivalent of Turiaf, Azubuike/Chandler and Douglas/Mason to make room for Gortat. That’s not worth it, IMO.
Gortat may be cheaper than those four other centers, but they have all proven that they have starting center chops and can maintain a certain level of production over an entire season with starters minutes. Whatever you think of Gortat’s talent, he has not yet had a chance to show that. Moreover, Dalembert, Okafor, Chandler and Haywood are all grossly overpaid. I’m happy to concede that Gortat is merely overpaid as opposed to WAY overpaid.
Its all relative obviously
but the market rate for centers is much higher. To compete for a chip, you need a real center, even if only for defensive purposes. The scarcity at the position results in grossly overpaid centers, but the fact is that you need to overpay if you want them. That Gortat is locked up quite reasonably and has played quite capably in meaningful if sparing minutes makes him one of the better deals in the lig for a contending team. When SVG actually did play Howard and him together in the playoffs they dominated.
I’m not necessarily advocating the Knicks getting him because I think Randolph and Amare at the 5 gives us a faster, sleeker, more high-octane line-up, but on a team like the Hawks? Move Horford to the 4 and Smith to the 3 alongside JJ and Bibby/Teague and that’s a dangerous lineup. Or if OKC got him? Instant WCF favorites.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Sep 2, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
That's fair, there are a lot of variables here
For the Knicks, I maintain that Gortat would be an expensive risk to take given our hard-won flexibility, the way our team is put together, our coach’s system and the fact that we are not a genuine contender right now. He would be a better fit and a better deal on the Hawks or OKC assuming his rate of production doesn’t drop off with decreased minutes.
I think Donnie was smart to take much smaller gamble on Mosgov and pair him with Turiaf, who, while his ceiling is certainly lower than Gortat, is at least a steady presence and capable rotation player at center. Especially when you consider that trading for Gortat would jeopardize (maybe eliminate?) our ability to give a max contract this year or next summer to any high profile free-agents-to-be, such as… hmm, I can’t think of any.
Agreed
I still maintain he’s a steal, just for a team that isn’t the Knicks.
The Knicks’ situation at the 5 is actually really interesting. You can go non-traditional with Randy or Amare or traditional-upside with Mozgov or traditional-steadiness with Turiaf. Lots of options.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Sep 2, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
wat? a steal?
Now thats a stretch.. he’s a very solid back-up..which is why they paid to keep him. But to say he’s a steal at 8 per is wylin. His positives are he plays good D, and rebounds pretty effectively when in the paint, and has some speed for a big guy.
Other than that he what.. shits at the charity stripe, fouls more than needed, gets beat too easily off the pump fake, and isnt that athletic laterally. I dont see him worth 8m.
Orlando needed depth in case howard gets hurt..and on a contending team that plays against the celtics(who have size) they needed to overpay to keep gortat as insurance.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
not that I'm arguing, cuz I'm not....or maybe I am, one never knows...
If hypothetically he did begin to hit the outside shot consistent then yea, I think we could begin to think of him as the long term answer…definitely not right now tho.
I don’t know who’s played association mode in the 2k series but if u have then at the role assignment screen where you distinguish btwn starters/role players/prospects etc…Chandler would be the starter but the sub role would be : you have a spot until something better comes along. At least I think that’s the phrase they use.
No knock on Chandler though, he’s a good player it’s just that there is a reason the city is drooling over Melo and if Will was hitting that shot…maybe not so much drool…no?
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Sep 2, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
"I would much rather have a Shooting Guard in D’antoni offense that can actually… you know… shoot."
Say hello to Roger Mason Jr.
My name's Gus Johnson; I get buckets.
I was impressed with Chandler last year
His 3 point percentage went down last year from 30 to 26 percent, but his overall shooting percentage went up to almost 48 percent which is very good for a guy who’s not a power forward or center.
His ankle may have been a factor in that 26 percent. If he gets it up to 30 again, and continues to shoot well from inside the arc, he can be one of those rare 50 percent shooting wing players. I think it’s funny that people say he’s a terrible shooter.
Chandler is very good at getting to the hoop. He’s not a complainer. He puts forth effort on D and is strong enough to guard 4’s and quick enough to guard 2’s.
One thing I did not like about Chandler last year is that he seemed to not have the knack for getting big buckets at the end of the game. But he did get that block on Smith. I don’t think he’ll ever be a late game assassin, he’s a very good and versatile player. If he can improve the late game stuff, watch out.
In a sense he is expendable in a trade, but other teams don’t value him highly enough. So it’s way more valuable to keep him.
by fuhry on Sep 2, 2010 10:43 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Also
Just doing some number crunching,
In his last 9 games before he shut it down for the season, he was 1-15 from 3 point range. If you take out those last nine games, when he was battling a painful injury, his 3 point percentage is 28.8… almost as good as the previous year.
And the guy does not take a huge number of three pointers.
I have to disagree about the late game stuff
Chandler at times ( I specifically remember one game against Charlotte) can carry the load offensively. Every now and then he has moments where he comes up with big baskets late. Also, two seaons ago, he had a nasty and-1 dunk on Troy Murphy against the Pacers that tied the game with like 3 seconds left. Then Jarret Jack hit a jumper at the buzzer…..
Anyway, I like having him at the end of the game.
by WSD on Sep 2, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I probably have a very small sample size
I was not able to watch a whole lot of games last year and I probably missed the good stuff. I did see that block though. That shit was awesome.
his finger roll is a thing of beauty
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBX5t9KxL44
I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.
indeed
check out this mix by Big C…
should remind a few of yall how valuable illWill has been to us.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
We all at this point Chandler is a killer transition player and pretty bad in the halfcourt. All he needs to do to get steady minutes is work on his jumpshot, and if his FT% is any indication he should improve in that area. He is much more appealing coming off the bench.
maybe now that they actually have a PG capable of running the transition offense
it helps Chan play more to his strengths?
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 3, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Keep in mind last season he says he played injury free "For maybe a week"
I’ve withheld judgement on Will for the past few years just because of both the team’s and his situation. Time just ran out, my man. This is the season he has to show more than just hints of what he could be. There are no more excuses, and another injury that takes him out of action for weeks at a time won’t be helping his history of…well, injury.
I believe in him, though, and know he can add a LOT to this team with how versatile and skilled he is. He just needs to put it together.
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