Picking the 15th Knick
First of all, I recommend checking out Anthony Donahue's interview with Patrick Ewing Jr., the Knicks' recent training camp invitee. Li'l Pat is a charismatic bloke, and "Rice Balls" gets some interesting, direct responses from him. That's no small feat in early September, when "just working hard" and "I think we have a good team this year" are the answers du jour.
On a related note, I've spent the last few days in my Thinking Cave, fraternizing with spiders and raccoons and pondering existence. One of the discussion points was the role of the fifteenth man on a basketball team such as the Knicks. This stems back to a dinner conversation I had with Seth the Greater (née Seth Pollack) regarding the Suns' bench. My quesadilla and I were baffled that Taylor Griffin had stuck in Phoenix for so much of the '09-'10 season (He spent some time in the D-League and has since been waived, but still...). How could Griffin- who's a decent enough player but doesn't have much to offer on an NBA floor at this point- hold a spot on the Suns when so many other guys with more potential were stranded elsewhere? Seth and his omelet explained that T-Griff wasn't the most talented player, but he worked his ass off, did what he was told, and ran guys like Amar'e Stoudemire ragged in practice. He also played a total of 32 minutes last season. As is often the case when talking to Seth the Greater, I felt enlightened.
See, the guys at the end of the bench pretty much never play. I know that's obvious, but I think we lose sight of that around this time of year. In years past, we (or was it just me?) have clamored for folks like Morris Almond and Joe Crawford to make the squad and been perplexed when they got shafted or, in Mo Nuts' case, didn't even get a training camp invite. Those two are more talented than a number of past Knicks, but that's not the point. Scoring prowess isn't enough when you probably won't see the floor and definitely won't get the ball. No, these training camp invites with non-guaranteed contracts need to bring something else: that Taylor Griffin factor. Patrick Ewing Jr. and whoever else gets signed for training camp will be competing for a chance to ride the bench, be a good sport, and push the Knicks' big guns in practice. I can imagine a few archetypes that would fit the bill:
A young fringe pro with something to prove could irritate the rotation players and keep them on their toes in scrimmages and drills. Nobody wants to get embarrassed by a no-name.
A veteran journeyman or wash-up with just a little left in the tank could take the fledglings under his wing, tutor them in the finer points of the game, and set an example in his conduct.
A comically large individual could play the role of bruiser and beat the big men into game shape.
A hyper-enthusiastic goofball could give super high fives and blow any tension out of the locker room.
A fan favorite could attract some niche audience or just garner attention in name alone.
Whoever it is, that 15th Knick might get occasional minutes and would be a D-League candidate (though that would be unprecedented), but he'll mostly be there for intra-squad use. So, who will it be? I don't know Patrick Ewing Jr. or his game well enough to gauge his usefulness as a practice player. Nor do I know if Quincy Douby or Maurice Ager (both unsigned at this point, mind you) are wily enough or veteran enough to play the role of wily veteran. I don't know who else Donnie Walsh has on the phone, but I imagine we'll find out in the next few weeks. Moreso than some other roster decisions, the selection and employment of that 15th man will be a behind-the-scenes affair. His time to shine probably won't be before our eyes, and that's worth keeping in mind as training camp approaches. Remind me of this the next time the Knicks invite someone like Allan Houston to camp. Man, was I a grouchy little college freshman.
Anyway, any thoughts on the guys mentioned and any other numbers you think Donnie Walsh should call? Share in the comments. Thanks to Seth Pollack and the cave critters for their role in this post.
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It should be Patrick Ewing
15th men are crowd favorites and guilty pleasures. Ewing is that already just because of his pedigree. Combine the two, and you guys will have a great gimmick.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
Big Tom
I’m hoping you didn’t mean anything by the gimmick remark because we all know Jr. is nothing like his father; but the sig under ur comment implies your remark could be taken as a subtle dig.
Again, I hope that is not the case because truth be told neither of these teams have anything to brag about…some even less than others. I’ll tell you like I’ve told members of this community, the nets are not the same team as last year and may not make the playoffs but have improved at many key positions. I would like to think u would embrace that and not stoop to the level of a lowbrow fan who lives to troll and throw subliminal comments; a fan who probably much like his team has plenty of bark but no teeth.
Again I hope this is not ur case because I enjoy intelligent, objective debate with other fans of various teams and if you fit this mold u should feel more than welcome to share ur thoughts.
Please forgive me if I have misconstrued ur intention,
Otherwise…we don’t take to kindly to that shit.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Sep 2, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, let me clarify then
If he has game, then it should be Ewing, Jr.
If he does not have game, then it still should be Ewing, Jr., because it would be a successful gimmick, which is ok. If you need your 15th man to be anything but a crowd favorite who rides the pine and can BE simply a gimmick, then you have bigger issues to worry about.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
well put
having said that, on to more serious matters….
We’ll trade you Bethenny Frankel (famous for god knows what) for Snooki(famous for god knows what)
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Sep 2, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope he sticks
it’s nice to have a fan favorite, and he looked good in orlando.
This summer could be boost of confidence for him given his recent injuries. Hope it spreads throughout the team
….the confidence, not the injuries…god no, not the injuries.
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Sep 2, 2010 1:59 PM EDT reply actions
When it comes down to the 15th spot,
why not take Pat? When he’s buried that deep, he isn’t going to hurt the team at all. The Knicks stick someone that everyone can root for on the pine, Patrick gets to enjoy the legacy for a while, and karma points are scored all around. Everyone winz!
"He's the straw that makes the drink go."
as a georgetown fan
PE Jr was a great 6th man (won the inaugural Big East 6th Man of the Year award) because he was such a strong team presence and was always full of energy. I think he would be a great combination of the first and fourth criteria
Exactly.
I hope he doesn’t shy away from the spotlight instead of using to fuel his energy. It doesn’t sound like it was a problem at GTown, so I assume it won’t be a problem in MSG either.
"He's the straw that makes the drink go."
by Thelonious Dunk on Sep 2, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Hearing the MSG crowd go nuts
when PE Jr. dunks at the end of a blowout and the announcer says PATRIIICK EWWWING! will make this signing worth it.
That, and he’ll play hard against the 1st and 2nd teams in practice.
growing
more and more enamored with the idea. that would be Dope! PATRICK EWING!! yup. i’m in.
by The Bronx-178st on Sep 7, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Pat Burke
"I don't lift weights because they are heavy, and I don't run because it makes me tired." - Charles Barkley
TURRIBLE!
Earl Barron
Has anybody seen Earl? You still out there, EB?
well that was weird
i clicked the houston post u did from 07’ and underneath was a comment i had. blast from the past baby
Does this make you
Seth the Lesser?
Not sure I am good with that….
Maybe Seth the Younger or Seth the New Yorker??
Raising Arizona Sports at SB Nation Arizona twitter: @sethpo
Well, I think most of the folks here wouldn't qualify me as a New Yorker...
…but I’m certainly New Yorker than you are!
I was born in Brooklyn
so I’m good with my New Yorker creds … even if I moved to AZ in 1972
Raising Arizona Sports at SB Nation Arizona twitter: @sethpo
I like Seth Major and Seth Minor.
Like Ursa Major and Ursa Minor. That way silly nicknames like Baby Bear get kicked around.
"He's the straw that makes the drink go."
by Thelonious Dunk on Sep 2, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Earl Barron
is too talented to be the 15th man on the Knicks. He’s in the middle of his career, looking to make an impact or contribute, not embarrass Curry in practice just to ride the pine.
I’d vote for P. Jr., Marcus Landry or Curtis Stinson (he could actually play in a backup PG role in a pinch) in that order.

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