Hahn: Just how young are these Knicks?
by Seth on Sep 20, 2010 8:51 AM EDT
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PrintPretty young, as it turns out. Alan Hahn put on his number-crunchin' hat to calculate the Knicks' average age and compare it to other teams past and present (subscription needed and recommended).
The Knicks (average age of 24.6 years) currently have one of the youngest rosters in the league, with only six other teams -- Timberwolves (23.4), Nets (24.0), Thunder (24.1), Kings (24.2), Wizards (24.4) and Grizzlies (24.5) -- with a younger roster. Note that out of those six teams, only one (OKC) made the playoffs.
But the 2010-11 team will mark the youngest group the franchise has assembled to open a season in 30 years and fifth-youngest in franchise history. According to research compiled by the Elias Sports Bureau, you have to go back to Red Holzman's second stint as coach in the early 1980s, when the 1980-81 team, comprised of phenoms such as third-year star Michael Ray Richardson, supersophs Bill Cartwright and Sly Williams and three rookies, including Mike Woodson, averaged 24.5794 years of age.
Said differently:
- Not a single Knick saw the '70s. Thankfully, Mike D'Antoni saw enough of the '70s to go around.
- Anthony Randolph is the first Knick in NBA history to be younger than yours truly.
- Seriously, there were over 4 months during which I was alive and Anthony Randolph was not. I cried that entire time. It's also possible that I purple crayon'd Anthony into existence.
- Unnamed sources tell me Timofey Mozgov is actually a 9 year-old and that his height is the result of an experiment gone wrong.
- By my count, eight different Knicks are on the Twitters or Tweeties or whatever you kids are emailing each other about these days.
- If you exclude Eddy Curry, the most seasoned Knick (9 years), the team's average years of experience would be an imaginary number.
- Patrick Ewing...JUNIOR.
Q.E.D. The Knicks are young as hell. Leadership, late-game poise, and locker room presence will be a valued commodity on this team. From which of the "elder statesmen" will those qualities emerge?
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Amare will def excel in the leadship role...
Its hard not to when your averaging 24ppg on 56% shooting. Young fella’s usually look up to stats like that =)
by ap3604 on Sep 20, 2010 9:20 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
its gotta be felton, stoudemire and turiaf
frightening to think that i’m older than these multi-millionaires.
gallo seems very interested in being a leader, contrary to a certain battery park city beefcake’s way of thinking. we’ll see if he is prepared to actually do it or not, though.
after that, everybody needs to just fall in line. and d’antoni has got to lead the hell out of this group.
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by UK Knick on Sep 20, 2010 6:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ben Q Rock? What are you doing here in enemy territory outside of Magic land?!
Pretty brave brotha… pretty brave =)
by ap3604 on Sep 20, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Translation. . ..
extraordinary energy, athleticism and enthusiasm. Likely result: 38-44 wins, with the latter number likely good enough for an 8 seed. As with most young teams we will likely lose quite a few games that we should win with silly mistakes in the fourth quarters of games.
by The Bronx-178st on Sep 20, 2010 2:37 PM EDT reply actions
So I looked at the roster link to check player ages
and it turns out I have the same birth date and year as Felton. Weird.
i'm a day removed from anthony randolph
best i can do is lou roe.
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Roger Mason Jr. has the same birthday as me but is 5 years older. I’m slightly older than the average Knick, which is kind of cool. It’s like I’m part of the club.
The day is coming soon
Can’t wait to see these new Knicks during the Pre and regular season action. This will indeed be a very interesting season.
OT
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Rotation
Here’s my first crack at it, with minutes. What do you guys think?
PG: Felton (37), TD (11)
SG: Chandler (25), Buike (20), TD (3)
SF: Gallo (35), Chandler/Buike (13)
PF: Amare (35), Randolph (13)
C: Turiaf (25), Randolph (15), Moz (8)
Spot duty / Injury reserve: Mason, Fields, Walker
DNP CD: Curry, Rautins, Ewing
NOTES:
SG rotation is to start the season. I think Buike may supplant Chandler in the depth chart.
I don’t like that TD is only getting 14 minutes, but where would extra time fit in?
Some may want Amare to play more, but I say be cautious
take ~5 minutes of Turiaf's PT, give 3 to Randolph and 2 to Mozgov
And I think this is on the money.
i dunno
i think turiaf is definitely gonna get 25ish. and mozgov/randolph will get the extra minutes on a need to play basis.
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I think we'll see a lot more of TD and AR
I think D’Antoni will try in the preseason to put TD and Felton in the same line-up. And I could see Turiaf getting about 22 minutes per game and I think you’re right about Mozzie getting 8. I think AR and STAT will get alot of time in the front court together, as long as they aren’t playing a banger like Dwight Howard.
Oh and Mason Jr
I think will definitely get some time
So if TD is gonna play with Felton, AND Mason Jr is gonna get some burn, what happens to Chandler and Buike? Are they only 15-20 a night?
Also, if Moz is still getting his 8, and you only reduce Turiaf by 3 minutes, how do Amare and AR get “alot” of time together. That allows for 18 minutes together, only 3 more than I have by reducing Turiaf’s minutes.
I hear you on these concepts, but the math doesn’t add up when you try to make it all work, which is what got me started with this exercise.
Well I personally prefer Chandler off the bench at the 3
As for opening night, I don’t know. It all depends on if Buike is healthy, which I’m assuming he won’t be ready to play until November. In any case, I could honestly see Mason Jr starting at the 2, with Walker coming off the bench until Buike can start. I personally don’t like Will at the 2 at all, so I’d rather have him come off the bench to supplant whoever is playing SF and PF. I don’t know so many options for that position!
And as for AR and STAT together, 18 minutes is alot of time. That’s over 1/3 of the game. My numbers don’t add up mathematically but I’m shit at math. I just think AR and Amare will get a good amount of run together
i agree with this sir
as well as the AR/STAT and Felton/Douglas combos that we will be seeing Dantoni tinker with. Should be interesting
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by Ray Smuckles on Sep 21, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
yea the sg
obviously is the most up in the air.
i can see felton getting less time if toney can really step up, but i can also imagine d’antoni relying on felton a shit ton, even 40+. unfortunately i think toney will only get about 10, tho.
azubuike is completely up in the air. if he can put it together, he trumps mason almost entirely. if not i can see him chillin with rautins a lot.
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Turiaf has never really averaged more than 20 mpg though
Truth be told, calling him a starting center is a bit of a stretch.
I would actually prefer an opening day starting line-up of
Amar’e
Randolph
Gallo
Chandler
Felton
But what do I know, I’m just a sexy brain surgeon.
i would like that line-up very much...
i might want to trade a healthy azubuike for chandler. but i like the way you think, doctor. pause.
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i think take at least 5 away from turiaf
hes gonna get his fouls fa sho.. plus amare is going to get some tiem at center.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
plus I think we could get more than 8 good minutes out of Timo
I think that at a minimum he could be our bigger, taller, younger, perhaps slightly less athletic version of Birdman. It’s going to be so refreshing to have finally not one but two big men who can provide instant hustle and hard-nosed defense.
Well
Still no Knick older than me, although we’re approaching that time. Give it a season or two and I’ll crack that barrier.
jesus, just looked it up
i’m a few months older than curry and stoudemire…. and those are the oldest guys on the team.
i guess i shouldn’t worry that i still have 4 years of college eligibility anymore…. my time has come and gone.
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How young are these Knicks?
Their so young, that a twinkie can out live the oldest knick
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Tenure
Kind of bizarre to think that whenever Eddy makes his exit from the team, Wil Chandler will be the longest tenured Knicks at just 4 yrs.
how about Pat Jr?
I bet he’s been around the team longer than anyone else, lol
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by Chris Child's Fist on Sep 22, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
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