How Chandler and Gallo stack up in their class
by mrumack on Jan 14, 2011 12:58 AM EST
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PrintSo I've never posted a fanpost before and I was bored and thinking about how the last decade or so has been a very up and down when it comes to draft day, with many of our picks being nonexistent thanks to (cough) some great moves we made. With picks like Balkman, Weis, Sweetney, Frye making scouts look like morons. Chandler and Gallo have been the lone bright spots....too early to tell if letting go of Hill was a bad move or not, so far so good.
Anyways here is the order of the 1st rd. of the 2007 draft.
1. Oden 2. Durant 3. Horford 4. Conley 5. Jeff Green
6. Yi 7. Corey Brewer 8. Brandan Wright 9. Noah 10. Hawes
11. Acie Law 12. Thad Young 13. Julian Wright 14. Al Thornton 15. Stuckey
16. Nick Young 17. Sean Williams 18.Belnilli 19. Crittenton 20. Jason Smith
21. Cook 22. J Dudley 23. Wilson Chandler 24. Rudy Fernandez 25. Morris Almond
26. Aaron Brooks 27. Afflalo 28. Splitter 29. Alando Tucker 30. Petteri Kopenen
2007 was a rather weak class but its crazy how nearly every year someone as talented Wil gets found somewhere in the 20s or 30s.
Best Value? : The only players that I would say were a better pick then Wil would be Durant, but thats only because I believe when all is said and done Durant will be one of the top 20 or so players to ever play this game. And Marc Gasol was drafted 48th this year. (imagine if the lakers had traded some other scrub at the time and had the Gasol brothers...scary) P.S. big baby went 35th, but I still think Wil is of more value, and Jeff Green is very valuable to his team since there isnt much after Westbrook and KD, but still i choose Wil, same deal with Brooks. I choose u Pikachan
Class Rank: The only players in the entire draft that I think are arguably or clearly more important to their team then Wil are Durant, Horford, and probably Noah and Gasol
So Wilson you have received much praise from us this year for drainin threes, grabbin boards, swattin shots, playin some good D, posterizin fools, and overall helpin us win, all while bein the chillest dude in every arena. You should have been a high up lottery pick, but you werent, and for that we thank all the teams that let you go, as well as your work ethic. So 2007 draft was a draft to look back for knick fans and NOT facepalm for once.
BUT THEN...
There was 2008...the year of the cock...1st round goes like this
1. Rose 2. Beasley 3. Mayo 4. Westbrook 5. Love
6. Galloooo 7. Gordon 8. J Alexander 9. Augustin 10. B Lopez
11. Bayless 12. Thompson 13. Rush 14. AR 15. R Lopez
16. Speights 17. Hibbert 18. Mcgee 19. Hickson 20. Alexis Ajinca
21. Ryan Anderson 22. Courtney Lee 23. Koufos 24. Ibaka 25. Batum
26. George Hill 27. Arthur 28. Donte Greene 29. DJ White 30. JR Giddens
(notable 2nd rd picks: Douglas Roberts 40, Dragic 45, Bully 47)
So as you can see the first 7 picks of the drafts there was not a single whiff. If i had to choose the worst pick out of all of them it would be Mayo, but its not like hes a bad player or a bust. The bucks took Joe Alexander (ouch!)
Best Value?: There are only a few notable picks that might have been a better value based on the pick they had. Eric Gordon statwise obviously, although nothing he ever does translates to wins, however he's a Clipper so...we'll see if he ever gets off that team before we can really assess him. Brook Lopez?? naaahh. Batum and Hill are possibly better value since they were the 25th and 26th picks. Depending on how Dragic plays the next few years he might have been the best pick in the entire draft, hes turnin into a fine baller.
Class Rank: really the only players more talented then Gallo in the draft were drafted before him. And maybe Gordon...and maaaaybe Lopez...I kinda hate him so..ya
Without Wilson and Gallo, who knows what are record would be if we took say...Joe Alexander and Morris Almond (who the fuck is morris almond?) I am almost 21 years old and therefore cant remember any picks that even come close to the value these two guys bring to our team. It looks like your both here to stay and I couldnt be happier about that. Keep doin what u do fellas
Landry Fields is the fuckin man
that is all
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I thought we did draft Morris Almond? Or at least traded for him?
by superturboultra on Jan 16, 2011 8:03 AM EST up reply actions
He was on our summer league team a couple of years ago
He was drafted by Utah, then sent to the D-league, and then released.
by Robert Currence on Jan 16, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
"6. Galloooo 7. Gordon 8. J Alexander 9. Augustin 10. B Lopez"
lopez wins (for the knicks needs right about now.)
i like gallo but sometimes galloholics make me dislike gallo him for over-hyping and being over-protective. i see players like wil and td do everything for the knicks and lose teeth in the process. I want to see the same will to take punishment from gallo.
before that freak accident where rush’s body rolled onto gallo when the play was dead. gallo was showing that will. not all four quarters, but still showing it. it was real growth i hope coach continues that when gallo returns. dont baby him coach he a big boy.
by cheers from manhattan on Jan 14, 2011 2:08 AM EST reply actions
Dizzy will be here with a chainsaw on that last sentence!
But Gallo is developing. When he rounds out and hopefully adds a little more bulk much as Wil has done, he should be a player who handles and distributes the ball well and can post up as easily as dropping back for a 3. Alot of people want him to be a PF but his game is as a Small/Point Forward right now. I think he needs to fill out more if the coaches want him to be a power forward. I don’t buy into this over-protective thing though. I have high hopes for the kid but reserve any imaptience til next year when he should be hitting full-stride, much as Wil has this year. Don’t be afraid to take pride in your players. It just may take a little patience.
The Gallo draft and the Jordan Hill draft were both unlucky in that our pick was juuuust outside the range of targets that might have been better(Westbrook or Stephen Curry! You woulda looked good in orange and blue)
But I’m not pining for Lopez. He’d have been crushed by the media this year, and with his half-court ways I don’t know how well he would have done for us.
you can play the kevin bacon game with jordan hill
in that tkf (realgm vet/mod) is fam with jordan hill huge supporter. im still pining for lopez :) but it wasnt like at the time i thought gallo was a bad draft. now missing on jennings was a bad draft.
by cheers from manhattan on Jan 14, 2011 2:53 AM EST up reply actions
Nah now I'm glad we didn't get Jennings
System and coaching may have something to do with it, but Jennings is a shoot-first PG who shoots at a very low percentage. He is very skilled, and may still become a terrific player, but I’ll take Ray Felton all day over him
I like Jennings a lot
This is only his 2nd year, I think he has some serious potential, and if you watch his game he is a traditional PG. He looks to set his teammates up before his own shot. I think he’ll come around to being an all star in a couple years. That said, I’d still rather have Felton.
Donnie's bout to beat the NBA game like he got a cheat code
of course Id rather have Felton
but the drafting of Jordan Hill was stupid
what was his knock? he wasnt good enough of a athlete, major red flag to me
by Archie Barberio on Jan 14, 2011 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
Yep. And on top of it, he came into camp out of shape as a rookie. Not a good sign for a team that still had Eddy Curry and Jerome James.
by superturboultra on Jan 16, 2011 8:06 AM EST up reply actions
In '09, when Minnesota took Flynn at #6, I went ballistic in the crowd because I thought the Knicks were getting Steph Curry.
Forgot they were picking 8th. :-(
i went crazy
when they took rubio at 5.
My thinking was, there are 2 players left that I really would want (flynn and curry) and 2 spots left. Minn just took rubio, so there was no way they would take another PG… so we would get one of those two no matter what…
if only…
KAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHNNNNNNNNN!!!!!
I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.
I was doing the exact same happy dance you were doing.
“No WAY Kahn picks two PGs…in…a….rowOMGgood lord what is that man doing?? What?! KAHN?? KAAAHHHHNNNNN!!!”
And then I mowed the lawn real angry-like. That night sucked.
i know
I was thinking we were gonna get Flynn and I was buggin
then we took Jordan Hill over Jennings and I turned the tv off saying thats why this franchise is garbage
by Archie Barberio on Jan 14, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
wow, all the horror stories
glad I was on the other side of the world without TV or Internet, I was optimistic about Hill though (whoops) but at least we got TD
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
by The Rooster on Jan 14, 2011 7:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I wanted Jrue Holiday actually
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
by The Rooster on Jan 14, 2011 7:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hill was actually who I wanted after Flynn
but I felt it was a big drop. I remember not loving Jennings, maybe starbury just scared me from boastful shoot first pgs.
If I had the pick over again, where we were, I would prob go with Jrue.
I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.
I still don't know why he did it
and then he signs Sessions only to trade him?
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7CBwX1891A
HaHaHaHa!
by Lord Smackington on Jan 14, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
because of his contract, no less, lol
the contract minnesota signed him to!! It’s like..what were you expecting, dude?!?! you have 4 PGs!!
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Jan 15, 2011 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
Lopez wins what?
he don’t win shit. He’s basically Eddy Curry with an offensive game that stretches out to 18ft. Big deal.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Except w/ a FG% that's more like Knicks era Jamal Crawford
At least Eddy could put it in the damn cup with efficiency. Brook Lopez sucks.
Free Randolph!!
(With your purchase of one Eddy Curry)
jennings?
he’d be more of an asset if he could shoot over 40%. in the short term, a mistake. in the long term, now we have felton, and the bucks are starting keyon dooling and losing games.
i likes jennings game
if he were here and was recq’d to be a pass first guard.. he would do very well. Shoots way too much over there
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
The only bad pick of the last 4 years was J.Hill
And Jennings really isnt who we should’ve drafted instead, that would be Jrue Holiday. Now that I look at it, ’09 was actually pretty awesome overall. A lot of contributors after the 20th pick or so.
It’s rare that the Knicks draft 4 players in 4 years that all wind up being rotation players, so yea great post dude.
by PJCarlisimo's Neck on Jan 14, 2011 9:37 AM EST reply actions
And even Hill has turned out OK
We could use his size right now off the bench. He’s not a great talent, but a decent enough sub
Hill may not end up as any kind of player, but that's Houston's problem now
He ended up being pretty useful to the Knicks
not really. he got us tmac for a month and we gave up a pick
by PJCarlisimo's Neck on Jan 14, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
He got us not having Jarred Jeffries and his contract on our team
And by extension, enough room to sign Raymond Felton while replacing Lee with live bodies. I’ll take it.
Free Randolph!!
(With your purchase of one Eddy Curry)
2007
I wonder what Chandler would have looked like playing in OKC with Durant. Jeff Green is basically the poor man’s Wilson Chandler at this point.
But I feel like Green may have a higher ceiling
I’ll still take Will over him though. Mad love for Chandler
I think
Gordon, Lopez, Hibbert and Batum are better players that were picked after gallo…actually McGee and Ibaka for what they mean for their respective teams as well were better picks at their position….
Eh not Mcgee
He hasn’t been all that good. Lots of flash, lots and lots of length, not a whole lot of production
I say that because
of the defensive intensity he brings on the floor and he’s 2nd in the league in blocked shots….debatable I guess tho…..
Defensive intensity???!!!
Where do you GET this stuff?! McGee is one of the worst post defenders to ever play basketball at a professional level. Have you watched him at all besides highlight clips and YouTube reels?
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
by The Rooster on Jan 14, 2011 6:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'll agree with 4-5 of these
I think Lopez has regressed but if he can get back to how he played last year than he was better than Gallo, and Gordan I think is still debatable just because he shoots a ton and scores but does it inefficiently. He’s scoring 23.6 pts a game but on 18 shots. If Gallo would be aggresive like that he would be getting those numbers too.
Donnie's bout to beat the NBA game like he got a cheat code
Gallo is also the 4th scoring option
Gordan is the 2nd?
I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.
I would rather have Roy Hibbert or Serge Ibaka, but hindsight is 20-20.
There was no way we could have known that we’d be one legitimate center away from contention.
Also, the dysfunctional state of the Knicks a few years ago could have crippled the development of those big men.
Gallo was the right pick at the time.
I doubt either the Pacers or Thunder would trade either of those players straight up for Gallo today. But I’d make that trade in a second.
Great job on your first post, Mrumack.
They will be for!
by StarksMiddleFinger on Jan 14, 2011 2:25 PM EST reply actions
Hibbert or Ibaka would have been killed here.
Hibbert was a slouch out of college and only after he diagnosed his asthma and worked on his game all summer with Larry Bird and others did he make this kind of improvement. He’s kind of fallen off recently, too. Hopefully he can get back his early-season form just because he worked so hard in the summer, and he’d be a pretty serviceable C for us right now, but if he’s that other girl across the bar I’m sobering up and finding him not as sexy. Her. Finding her not as sexy. Ah damn this analogy got me all confused and funny feeling now.
As for Serge I’d love to have right now. Great defensive-minded player who can get the garbage points a big like that needs to get around Amare. But he was able to develop nicely along that young, successful core over there at OKC that had no expectations and pressure, unlike here. Playing next to Durant didn’t hurt his early career growth, either, as opposed to the absolutely toxic environment here the last couple years. Keeping that in mind, I’m actually very impressed that Gallo has made the strides he’s made, whilst staying humble and not really cracking at all.
Like you said, right pick at the time, but even with hindsight I’d wager Gallo was picked exactly where he should have been talent-wise and fit-wise.
Chandler was a highly criticized pick
He left a mediocre Depaul team after his Freshman year and while he was clearly the best player on that team, they were not that good, so really how good was he. In fact Morris Almond was the guy that Berman was sure we were gonna draft. I don’t even think Almond is in the league now. Of course Chandler is the latest reason Isaiah claims he is a drafting genius, although a close look at his record would refute that claim. But Chandler was a great pick so give him credit for that.
Gallinari as I said in my post on the subject was a very good pick given what was left on the table. Given the year of development he lost due to the back injury, he is doing well also considering where he was drafted and the zoo the team was last year. Next season is really the make or break season for me as to whether or not we really could have done better.
It's DePaul fo crying out loud, they'd suck if they had Durant
and Almond killed it in summer league for us, then failed to make the Magic, then got a rich deal from Real Madrid and is over there now.
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
by The Rooster on Jan 14, 2011 6:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
well last season brooks was definitely more valuable
but that was his breakout season, and that was only one season. this season obviously hes been injured for most of it but in the 15 games hes played he avged 13 and 5 dimes on 39% from the field. if brooks plays the way he did last year on a consistent basis going forward then I would say Brooks was a better pick.
Yes I do. But only to a degree
It is easier for point guards to impress than wing players, because point guards dominate the ball. That is why when you look at draft classes year in and out the players who usually make the biggest spalsh early are point guards. Over the long haul for all but the exceptional ones other players in the draft class tend to catch up. Brooks’ style of play given his stature will not allow him to maintain a high level of play for the long haul. He is already starting to lose games to nagging injuries that usually we see in guards 5 to 6 years his senior. Over the course of their careers Chandler will be a better player than Brooks when it is all said and done.
by Robert Curre on Jan 14, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
wow
looking back Durant is only the one player better than Wil thats crazy
good thing we cheated and worked guys out in Atlanta
by Archie Barberio on Jan 14, 2011 7:09 PM EST reply actions
Horford?
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
by The Rooster on Jan 14, 2011 7:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I like this post, but what stands out to me is your comment on the 2007 draft being a "weak draft"
I have to disagree with that one. I’m looking at at least 14 players who are playing at least significant roles on their teams and even a few guys who are slowly stepping out as prominant players!! Aaron Brooks at #26? Afflalo #28? have you seen Nick Young and Jared Dudley this season? Horford is the 2nd best C in the East, Conley is having a breakout year, Chandler is having a breakout year, Durant is a top 3 player in the entire league!! Joakim Noah is becoming one of the best rebounders and big men in the league too! Marc Gasol is about to get PAID and Glen Davis has been a huge factor in Boston, especially with injuries to guys like KG,Perkins, Shaq, etc.
That seems like a damn strong class if you ask me!
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Jan 15, 2011 7:06 PM EST reply actions
I got his point
The draft was considered Weak because outside of Oden and Durant no one else projected as a franchise player. people were saying that the draft had a lot of guys in it, that may be good rotation players and productive contributors, but few if any stars outside the first two picks!
by Robert Currence on Jan 16, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
Guess it just shows how foolish it is to judge a draft as it happens.
Gotta give it a couple years to mature… cus this one has been quite helpful to teams. And guys are at the point of breaking out
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Jan 18, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
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