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Suns 129, Knicks 121: "So many open looks."

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There's trouble afoot at Madison Square Garden. The Knicks had two chances to pad the win column with another tough road trip coming up, and they goofed up twice. Against the Kings, New York simply couldn't put the ball in the basket. Today against the Suns, they couldn't keep it out. Amar'e Stoudemire's season-high 41 points led a pretty decent offensive effort, but New York routinely failed to help and recover on the other end. Like our friend mrumack said, the Suns got so, so, so many open looks, and they converted damn near all of 'em.

Take the jump for some quick notes.

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- The Suns shot an excellent 11-21 from downtown, and the vast majority of those looks were solid, wide-open attempts. They probably should have shot better. Why so many open shots? Here's what I saw: For a couple of guys that run the pick-and-roll a lot, Raymond Felton and Amar'e Stoudemire sure have a lot of trouble defending it. Felton's problem is that he doesn't go over OR under the screen. He goes directly into it. Raymond gets completely engulfed in the tummy of whatever big man set the pick, leaving Stoudemire to handle the point guard. Instead of hedging hard and trying to harass the point guard, though, Amar'e sets up as if he can defend the littler bro straight up. He cannot. The point guard beats him off the dribble and somebody is forced to help from the perimeter, leaving a shooter wide open in the corner (in this case, Grant Hill, Channing Frye, or Vince Carter). Steve Nash ran Felton into screens over and over again and was able to generate a good shot on almost every occasion. The close-outs weren't sharp either, but the problem starts at the top. Again, the Knicks run this exact play to death. They should know how and why it works. Felton either needs to fight over the screen (Toney Douglas, for all his foibles, models this particular behavior quite well) or just duck under it and catch his man on the other side. Bear-hugging the screener pretty much optimizes what the other team is trying to do.

- In that last bullet, I accidentally typed "Vince Farter" and laughed so hard that I farted. No further comment.

- Off-ball screens, too, continue to be a problem. I've beaten this point to death, but the Knicks switch waaaaay too readily off the ball. D'Antoni plays a lineup with enough long, hybrid guys to diminish the perils of mismatches, but the switching itself is far too sluggish and opens too many momentary windows for the opposition to attack (and Steve Nash is a virtuoso at identifying those windows). Why not just have everybody exert some effort and try to stick to their own match-ups?

- The Knicks also got outrebounded 48-38 by the worst rebounding team in the NBA. All of the above, to me, summarizes the loss.

- Amar'e Stoudemire played another excellent offensive game against his old team. HIs rebounding (just 6 of 'em) and defense (fouls when he should've just stood his ground, open lanes when he probably should've contested or even given a foul) were sub-par, but he dominated the other end. The jumper was falling, there were plenty of free throws (11-12), and he duped the likes of Hakim Warrick and Marcin Gortat on more than one occasion. He also rimmed some out and rushed a few, but was otherwise pretty much unstoppable. He kind of should have taken more shots and had 50. Or even 60.

- Raymond Felton continued his precipitous regression to the mean with a 3-13, five-turnover performance. He also had 13 dimes, but blew some routine passes and kept missing those jumpers that we'd grown so accustomed to him hitting. Each month has been worse than the previous one for Raymond. Here's hoping he can pull it together by February. I think he deserve tons of credit, but I'm not personally voting him into the All-Star game, if only because I think he needs that weekend to just rest his little limbs and bathe in ice. Felton's a warrior (and midget general) for playing through pain, but he's unquestionably out of tune.

- Danilo Gallinari made a pretty solid return to the lineup. He opened the game very aggressively and had some flashes of attacking brilliance, but we spent a lot of time wondering where he was and why he didn't have the ball. 8-9 from the line and 4-7 from the field for 17 points is nothing to sneeze at, but it felt like he could have had much more of an impact. Still, not bad for a first game back. He looked like himself, for better or worse.

- Wilson Chandler played a game straight out of last year. Wil shot 8-12 from two-point range and 2-9 from downtown, getting to the line just once.

- Toney Douglas made a few nice plays defensively, but committed more than a few boners on offense. Bill Walker shot (3-4 from outside) and rebounded (5) pretty nicely. Shawne Williams drove more than usual, but was unusually constipated from outside (0-3).

- Stoudemire picked up his 12th technical of the season for shoulder-checking Channing Frye after a foul call. I desperately hope that he locks it up and stays below that 16th tech, if only so we can avoid an outpouring of moral outrage from the local when he gets suspended. It's unlikely.

- Vince Carter, video game beard in full bloom, shot 11-20 and led Phoenix with 29 points. At least that was his output by conventional metrics. I'm of the opinion that some of his misses (a fall-away 20-footer that hit three different parts of the backboard, an air-balled three that would've swished on a Little Tikes hoop) should actually count as negative made field goals and negative points for his team. In my world, the Knicks won by at least two.

- Landry Fields fell down. Robin Lopez came running to help him up. <3 Cardinal solidarity. By the way, does Fields never play in the fourth quarter? It sure seems like he never plays in the fourth quarter.

- Walt Frazier on a terrible defensive possession that led to a Vince Carter three: "The Knicks with the Swiss cheese defense...Carter likes cheese!". Clyde also revealed that he started doing yoga in 1975. I'm pretty sure that's long before anybody in the United States had any idea what yoga was. I'm not surprised.

- Like I said, one thing that Toney Douglas continues to do very well is fight over screens. With a bum shoulder, though, that's a pretty treacherous endeavor. I worry that one of Toney's arms is just going to fall off completely.

- Hakim Warrick got them deer eyes.

- At one point in the fourth quarter, the MSG camera guys stepped onto the court to film Anthony Anderson waving his arms to pump up the crowd on the Jumbotron (of course). One problem: there was basketball being played. The refs blew the whistle and shooed the non-athletes off the court. I found the whole incident to be uproarious and wildly entertaining, just like Anderson's performance in See Spot Run.

- The Knicks are now 0-6 when they trail heading into the fourth quarter at home.

So, uh...that wasn't good. The Knicks now return to the West for games in Houston, San Antonio, and Oklahoma City. Without the buffer of what should have been two easy home wins, they might return home perilously close to the .500 mark. (Remember when being close to .500 was a good thing?). If they continue to defend like they did against the Suns, it'll be tough to steal a win or two (or three) on that trip. Adjustments must be made (and/or everybody should be fired or traded, depending on your constitution).

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up and down season

Knicks were getting beaten out on loose ball, rebounds, and close outs. A sense of urgency was sorely missing. Somehow Felton was contained and the Knicks never seemed to attack the 37 year old Nash.

Separately, with little bearing on the result, the officiating in the last few minutes was bizarre. There were 3 foul calls, one each on Felton, Williams and Stoudamire that would not have been called in most other games. If the Knicks were getting stops it could have changed the game…but they weren’t stopping anyone.

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by giantg on Jan 17, 2011 5:36 PM EST reply actions  

we need to get som defensive playes before the deadline too

dantoni has to go we will not compete until we make defense a priority…. i want melo because he is a consistent scorer but a tony allen would be nice along with toney douglas which would make a good defensive backcourt and we should consider adapting a zone defense because man to man we arent good at all

by SLAUGHTERHOUSE on Jan 17, 2011 5:46 PM EST reply actions  

I think the defense suffers

because of Felton and Toney being banged up, and Turiaf being out.

by fuhry on Jan 18, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

great recap, seth. welcome back.

I almost want to say that this game is undeserving of such a conscientious, delectable write-up.

We didn’t meet the shooters, lots of ludicrous fouls, the paint was a wedding party receiving line. I think we could have used Mozzy as a body this afternoon.

by KnickChick on Jan 17, 2011 5:47 PM EST reply actions  

good game for both teams

a very entertaining game. too bad we have to wait for another season before this two teams battle again.

Mr. chef and your assistants please cook your food better because every unsuccessful dish you made is like onion tears for us.

by sun_equalizer on Jan 17, 2011 6:03 PM EST reply actions  

i'll go with fire mda cause i sure do not want to trade our players
Adjustments must be made (and/or everybody should be fired or traded, depending on your constitution). —Seth

to the poster(s) who say trade for melo, pls, that is not even on the table. we do not have the picks the nuggets front office requires to make a melo to the knicks trade a reality. what we do have is a team of really good players that deserve a good system to match their strengths.

btw i do not see the rockets as a cakewalk. rox just beat the hawks at home (hawks had a ten game winning streak at home.) jhill had a breakout game against the hawks ftw.

by cheers from manhattan on Jan 17, 2011 6:05 PM EST reply actions  

cool broham. great story.

I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.

by gbaked on Jan 17, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

“I need surgery,” he said rather bluntly. “I understand what the issue is with the knee. I understand long term what needs to happen for me to operate on a day to day basis.”

“There are some days where I can’t even walk up the stairs, you know?”

“My goal is to be here, compete, and if I’m helping the team even at 50-percent, I’m willing to help the team at 50-percent. I’m willing to jeopardize a little bit of my health long term to have a chance at winning a championship this year.” —Jemaine O’neal

props to o’neal for being a warrior. and props to doc for being able to deal with so many injury problems he is definitely a coach of the year candidate. btw similar story with shaq who needs to take days off from games to be fresh enough to contribute.

and here we have on the knicks two young fresh injury free bigs and they collect DNPs. i doubt doc would dnp ar or moz, he would be happy to have the fresh young legs.

by cheers from manhattan on Jan 17, 2011 6:34 PM EST reply actions  

agreed

if the Knicks had Garnett, Pierce, Ray Allen, and Rondo, I imagine AR and Moz might get some spin. Particularly in blow-out wins. I feel like I’m missing something here. In what way is the Knicks situation even marginally like the Celtics situation?

by RobDiablo44 on Jan 17, 2011 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

yea you are missing something here.. their names are amar'e felton wilson gallo fields

those are solid knicks players, they not scrubs who lay down to anyone. knicks almost beat the celtics thanks to those players. but in that game mda was out-coached by doc was superb with the minutes managements.. and brought a fresh pierce for the fourth quarter dagger.

by cheers from manhattan on Jan 17, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

who called the Knicks scrubs?

I didn’t. But I think comparing the current Celtics squad to the current Knicks squad is a bad comparison.

by RobDiablo44 on Jan 17, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

everytime fans try to defend the system they go after the players

these are the best players the knicks have had playing together in years, its not the players.

—its not the players with the short rotation that gasses out the starters come 4th qtr.

—its not the players who keep stat alone in the middle.

—its not the players who fail to have a center cleaning the glass.

and thats the short list.

we not in build mode anymore this is a playoff bound team. we need a playoff bound system.

by cheers from manhattan on Jan 17, 2011 7:33 PM EST reply actions  

Great!

Let’s fire D’Antoni and completely change the offense to a halfcourt, big man oriented system! We might have to blow up the team but EVERYTHING WILL BE BETTER I PROMISE.

by Doug Chu on Jan 17, 2011 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Instead of firing D'Antoni

Let’s hire Mike Brown as a defensive coach. That way we get the best of both worlds. Since he left Cleveland they have been an utter disaster. Coincidence?

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by YuckFou on Jan 18, 2011 5:24 AM EST up reply actions  

They have been a disaster since the best player in the NBA left

I don’t know that MIke Brown had a whole lot to do with it.

by flossy on Jan 18, 2011 6:37 AM EST up reply actions  

But you don't not know

so it remains a possibility.

The Landryman Can

by YuckFou on Jan 18, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm just saying

That having the best player of his generation on the team probably meant more to the Cavs than having a coach who has not been rehired by any other NBA team since getting the boot in Cleveland.

I guess it remains a remote possibility…. but I cannot for the life of me imagine Mike Brown taking the shit sandwich of a roster they have right now to the playoffs, so yeah… I’m gonna say that the departure of Mike Brown is coincidental to the decline of the Cavs.

by flossy on Jan 18, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Well Larry Brown hasn't been rehired yet either

Are you suggesting that their is some sort of anti-Brown conspiracy going on? That’s some pretty serious stuff there my friend.

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by YuckFou on Jan 19, 2011 6:27 AM EST up reply actions  

i would like to repeat what pat riley did with coach spo

and give a coaching assistant who has paid his dues a nod at head coach.

i know you suggest mike as only an assistant, but i think ny needs a house cleaning in the coaching staff department we dont need to add to the mess. that house cleaning needs to includ mda, his bro, plus herb williams too… who seems to have nine lives.

by cheers from manhattan on Jan 18, 2011 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Thing is, Cheers

I respect your opinion and all. It’s just that almost every Knick blog is just overwhelmed with ‘Fire D’antoni’ comments and that’s why I only go here, because I really don’t like arguing about that kind of stuff.

My view on D’antoni is that he is a coach with a unique style and it has it’s ups and downs. He cares more about offense than defense, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t care about defense at all. Yes, he tends to lean heavily on his 6 best shooters, even if it means playing small and that can be frustrating.

But to me, a guy like Riley is equally if not more frustrating because of the way he micromanages offense, and most coaches do that.

Bottom line, there are a million blogs and comment sections dripping with gooey “Fire D’antoni” overflow. In an effort to save my computer, keyboard, and goo-sensitive brain, I hang out here to talk Knicks. And I think a lot of others here find similar refuge here. I’ve lived through enough coach and manager firings to know that it’s rarely the panacea everybody thinks it’s going to be.

So I get what you’re saying, but I would like this site to remain the one refuge from Firecoachitis. Can I get a plus 1?

by fuhry on Jan 18, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Are you seriously comparing Isiah Thomas with Mike D'Antoni??

Do you not recognize that one was a totally incompetent, monomaniacal sociopath who poisoned not only this franchise’s finance but its public image and internal atmosphere? Whereas the other is simply a very successful head coach who makes some in-game decisions you don’t agree with and uses a system you don’t particularly like?

If you don’t see the MASSIVE difference between the two, that’s Exhibit A in the evidence that maybe this isn’t the Knicks blog for you. We don’t reflexively seek to fire whoever is at the top of the Knicks front office and coaching staff whenever the team loses a few games, especially not when the team is playing as well as it has in, let’s see here, a decade. If that kind of knee-jerk sour grapes and ill-considered, repetitive diatribes against the coach are all you bring to the table, please, take it somewhere else. Virtually every other Knicks-related blog on the internet is full of like-minded people. Go, join them!

by flossy on Jan 18, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I think we have to draw a line about the coach vs players.

Yes it’s frustrating to watch the team lose to a team they should beat. It’s extremely frustrating to see them take a step backwards.

But it’s very rarely JUST the coach or JUST the players. BOTH deserve their fair share of responsbility. It’s the coach who puts the strategy in place for the game and monitors the situation to see that strategy properly carried out. His only control is to put the best players on the floor that he believes can manage the strategy.

Now, it’s also up to the players to follow the strategy and play the game! So, while, I think I get what you say in your bullet points…. I have to take a measure of a disagreement in that it absolutely IS the players fault if the other team scores. It’s on the players to rebound, help out on defense and make baskets.

The coach cannot literally play the game for them. Can’t blame Pringles when Amar’e gets a Tech, can you? When Shawne williams doesn’t switch after a pick, is that his own fault or is that the coaches? Do you think Shawne is not aware of his duty to switch? What about Ray Felton running into picks instead of around them? Surely D’Antoni tells him to go around the picks, but is it not up to Ray to make the actual adjustment?!

The system itself is fine. This season, (and Donnie Walsh has said this multiple times before the season even began) we just have to deal with the ups and downs of this team. Yes we are a playoff team, but it’s very likely we won’t be making such a huge splash that we are headed to the conference finals (maybe even not the 2nd round). That should be ok for us considering the amount of new pieces and youth on this team.

Yes I agree that when we are struggling in the middle, or with other gaping holes durign games that D’Antoni could certainly try AR or Rautins or Mozgov in certain situations. Evidentally, he doesn’t feel confident enough in those players to do so. I might agree with AR seeing as how he seems to react when he is on the floor. He doesn’t seem to follow the system. Mozgov also seems to have some truble on the switches. I think Pringles values him more than just a thug with 6 fouls to give too.

Basically, you can call for the coach’s head all you want, but I think it’s way premature to do so. For every shity Knick loss, we also have a big win. San Antonio was huge, as were both Chicago games, and we have played tough games against Boston teams that are about the deepest in the NBA.

In all… last night’s game should hold the PLAYERS more account able than the coach. We KNOW the system works cus we have won more games than we have lost. his is the NBA too. These guys are adults and paid extraordinarily well. It’s up to them to play the game and recognize certain situations.

"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire

by Chris Child's Fist on Jan 18, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

at the garden

cozy in my fields jersey shirt (thanks little bro), munching on chicken fingers a few rows back from ethan hawke

and we lose….again. we failed to convert on fast breaks, steals and even rebounds (?!?!), we chucked up more 3’s than necessary and im baffled- are we still like jet lagged?

Voice of A Female Knicks Fan...

by dpileofashes on Jan 17, 2011 7:57 PM EST reply actions  

post pics :)

and in mda’s system there is no such thing as chucking more 3s than necessary.

by cheers from manhattan on Jan 17, 2011 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

'bocks got "out experienced" tonight

Face it…they got beaten by Nash, Hill and Carter. three vets. That’s gonna happen to our tykes now and then. Yeah it sucks but it’s part of growing up. We could all learn something from Dantoni here: stay calm….stay the course. (AND GET A BIG OL GLASS CLEANING /SHOT BLOCKIN ANIMAL. Please? Rome weren’t built in a day….knicks can’t undo 10 years of fuckin’ up in one season. We will survive. But these little setbacks hurt.

its one thing to start it with a positive jam and it's another thing to see it on through....The Hold Steady

by sadderbudweiser on Jan 17, 2011 9:31 PM EST reply actions   3 recs

for serious

hill had a game and a half tonight.
Suns are on a roll, tip your hat and move on.

I am a fan of both the mets and knicks... so just kill me now.

by gbaked on Jan 17, 2011 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

“Face it…they got beaten by Nash, Hill and Carter. three vets.” my favorite coach that refuses to accept that point of view— http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX39J_YyKbs

by cheers from manhattan on Jan 17, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

all is well

it’s weird to say this in January, but there’s really not much pressure in these games. the Knicks won’t get up to the five, but it’s almost impossible for them to fall out of the playoff picture altogether because of the absolute dumpster-fire in the back half of the East.

Indiana, Philadelphia, Charlotte, Milwaukee, and Detroit are terrible basketball teams. all they really have to do is beat out three of those five. i’m not giving them a pass for losing to a horrid Kings team or a mediocre Suns team they just thrashed ten days ago, but the rest of this season is just about getting better. you don’t have to live and die on the outcome of every game.

Ewing with the step...YES! and the foul!

by Anthony Masons Haircut on Jan 17, 2011 10:04 PM EST reply actions  

i'd agree with you we sealed ourselves with the 6th seed but seriously what were we expecting?

and on a side note who did dallas lost to? the piston and they are god danm awful. and if it was simply get a big man then dallas should’ve won back then and many other teams including the nets and the sixers. the only thing that really matters is execution to perfection on both sides. you can say what you want to say but when we are not executing anything then we’d lose.

Victory goes to the courageous!!

by PTfromRP on Jan 17, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Go away you are ruining this blog

Post the same thing ad nauseam in evey thread + Ignore counterpoints + Bring any and all discussion down to the lowest level possible = yep you’re a troll. Scram already

I don’t even care, someone had to say it

"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas

by The Rooster on Jan 18, 2011 12:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I've been trying to ignore his posts per Seth's request in another thread, but sometimes I just have to ask a question like I did above, if only to ascertain where he's coming from.

His main beef is with Dantoni, so I’m curious what his solution is since it’s easy to criticize but difficult to back up with credible solutions. Once I get my answer I’m probably done with the kid. I just hope he doesn’t say Mark Jackson or some pipe dream like Phil Jackson and then smugly sit back from his keyboard.

by GAx on Jan 18, 2011 12:36 AM EST up reply actions  

being a great point guard does not equate to being a great coach

magic tried he failed that is all. sometimes vision does not translate to teaching

Victory goes to the courageous!!

by PTfromRP on Jan 18, 2011 12:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I was in no way endorsing Mark Jackson as coach. He's tried to submarine Dantoni ever since he was passed up for the job and it actually got kind of predictable and cute.

But he’s maybe the Top 5 worst analysts I’ve ever heard on TV, and I shudder to think of him as a coach of a team I support.

by GAx on Jan 18, 2011 12:42 AM EST up reply actions  

yep that's one possible angle. but the angle i view here is

players with vision ala penny or magic and even john stockton will have a hard time translating what they see and know in to a tangible coaching ability. it’s like what i had for a professor for a math class in college she knows what she’s doing but she can’t teach as the processes in her head is basically stuck and left unprocessable to the student.

Victory goes to the courageous!!

by PTfromRP on Jan 18, 2011 12:46 AM EST up reply actions  

which makes me want to give props to pringles as he has been able to translate what he sees to become a tangible coaching strategy

he knows his basketball and knows what are the proper plays and it all boils down to player execution and coaching execution.

Victory goes to the courageous!!

by PTfromRP on Jan 18, 2011 12:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Communication is key

So is having the ability to visualize externally, and not just internally. As is the ability to theorize, test, expand. For all the “conventional wisdom” adherents out there, the great coaxes are always (with NO exceptions) those who challenge it and redefine it as they see fit

"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas

by The Rooster on Jan 18, 2011 1:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

yep we are in agreement in this my friend

barring melo talk we sure agree on many points

Victory goes to the courageous!!

by PTfromRP on Jan 18, 2011 1:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Unfortunately he's not coming from anywhere

He’s an internet virus. He’s able to mask the inanity of his points with an aw shucks attitude, but this just means he’s able to submarine that many more discussions. P&T didn’t become a blog where you went and posted “Do you understand what spacing is?” and “where are you coming from when you say mda small ball over and over again without context” and “do you seriously not know what context is”

I’ll be in a better mood tomorrow but shit. Next thing is that good posters say they’ll leave unless he leaves – then the idiot gets his way because of some false ideal of everyone having a say (he repeats talking points, he is not an anyone and therefore cannot have his own say, if that makes you feel better) – but this ruins so many forums and whatnot regardless of topic, when people are allowed to forego logic and reason and understanding and intellecual honesty

"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas

by The Rooster on Jan 18, 2011 1:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Dude needs to get the axe

Everyone is entitled to their say… just like blog moderators are entitled to say “fuck off, you are poisoning the discourse with your intractable stupidity.” That’s what I say!

by flossy on Jan 18, 2011 6:45 AM EST up reply actions  

with freedom comes response

"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas

by The Rooster on Jan 19, 2011 1:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

...ibility etc.

"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas

by The Rooster on Jan 19, 2011 1:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

the extra E from that ordeal

can be neatly slotted into the Knicks rotation

"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas

by The Rooster on Jan 19, 2011 1:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

"Once I get my answer I’m probably done with the kid." im done with you first

im always up for bball talk, even more so when the topic is new coaches. but not with you, or anyone who is disrespectful to a fellow poster. its not worth the time.

by cheers from manhattan on Jan 18, 2011 8:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Again

that’s cool, but if you are trying to get everyone to agree with “Fire D’antoni”, you are probably going to have to go to Berman’s comment section, or any other Knicks blog comment section, to find that.

We tend to be protective of our refuge of positivity, and people can get a little prickly about it.

by fuhry on Jan 18, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

im not trying to get anyone to agree to anything im just posting my 2 cents

i really dont see the protectiveness myself.. what i see are some posters willing to throw knicks players under the bus in order to excuse mda’s system.

by cheers from manhattan on Jan 18, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Well,

I’m telling you, from my perspective reading this, it seems that you are insisting it’s the coaches’ fault, and others are disagreeing with you, and you keep posting counterpoints and other posters are getting frustrated.

I just think at some point, you have to just good-naturedly agree to disagree and leave it at that. Posting your two cents is cool and all but it seems to me like you are trying to win an argument and from what I have seen that never works and makes the comments section not enjoyable for lots of folks.

by fuhry on Jan 18, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

im not insisting, im saying exactly that :)

if other posters disagree to my counterpoints, and get frustrated, then they should just ignore my posts and not reply. simple.

by cheers from manhattan on Jan 18, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Execute D'Antoni of Course

Great Idea! Do they allow this in America? What a country.

I love the Knicks twice as much as you so piss off.

by dzeidzik on Jan 18, 2011 5:33 AM EST up reply actions  

today's game was lame

we just never had enough to pull ahead… the defense was sorely lacking. i think we really missed turiaf, but gallo did look pretty decent for his first game back. i really think what we need is a big man who can defend and rebound, forget melo – can we get nene? for reals, i feel like scoring isn’t our issue…although of course nene can score as well, so double awesome! but we just are so pitiful at rebounding!

also as per Seth’s comment about Landry not playing in the 4th – d’antoni’s been doing that pretty recently… and i think we’ve suffered for it. especially this game! we were only down 2 with about a minute 30 left (this might be off) and we forced phoenix to take a bad shot, but no one scrambled to get the rebound and then i think it was hakim warrick who put it in to bring the lead back to four, ugh! i feel like Landry wouldn’t have let that rebound get away, i just know it!

one last aside, i met Landry after the game, and he is friggin awesome! He has a great personality, was totally cracking jokes, and signing autographs! now, i’m even more in love!

by Mrs. Fields on Jan 18, 2011 1:45 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Holy Shit! You met The Landryman

What did he say? Can you pass along a tidbit?

The Landryman Can

by YuckFou on Jan 18, 2011 5:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Landryman was awesome!

So i ended up meeting him through this Stanford Alumni Association meet and greet after the game (we also met Robin Lopez and Josh Childress – both really nice guys). So the first question posed to Landry was which dorm he lived in while at Stanford, to which he answered (don’t remember which dorm, haha I’m not actually a Stanford alum) and then said to the group “now everyone else share so I can make fun of all of you!”

Someone asked about him getting drafted so late, to which he graciously responded that he was just so relieved and content with getting drafted. And then this mom wanted to take a photo with her two sons and his friends and there were literally like ten kids, and Landry said in this sorta grandma voice “come on in kiddies, huddle up for the photo!” it was super cute!

he also was sorta styling and was rocking some bling in both ears.

by Mrs. Fields on Jan 18, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I read your post again

Maybe you should join the Stanford Alumni Association? I mean, do they really care if you graduated? It might be a little too much like stalking? nevermind.
I never thought of Landry as a blingy person. Maybe he should wear it during the game like a trademark..Landry “Bling It On” Fields. That could be the nickname we have so desperately been searching for.
Anyway, thinks again and please post any future encounters.

The Landryman Can

by YuckFou on Jan 19, 2011 7:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

Successful teams have guys that get big rebounds down the stretch and Landry is the best we’ve got for that. He’s got to play.

Getting a stop and then watching the other team grab the o-bound has to be one of the most demoralizing things.

by fuhry on Jan 18, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

which is the reason i railed against landry "pooping"

knicks dont need another pooper, we need landry to be what made him great.. playing off the ball grabbing rebounds.

by cheers from manhattan on Jan 18, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

i remember the replies to me were landry must poop cause his poop % is...

lol i never cared what his poop % was. just like i dont care to see ray ray just walk the ball up pass the rock and stand on the poop corner.

 at some point this team needs *DEFINED roles.. everyone cant be standing on the poop corner.

  • *ray is a superb floor general, let him be that.
  • *landry is excellent off the ball, let him be that.

by cheers from manhattan on Jan 18, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

"i really think what we need is a big man who can defend and rebound" QFT

“also as per Seth’s comment about Landry not playing in the 4th – d’antoni’s been doing that pretty recently” i been noticing mda pulling landry since the magic game, dont like it.

by cheers from manhattan on Jan 18, 2011 8:56 AM EST reply actions  

This game was pretty ugly from a defensive standpoint

However, Felton and Extra E really shit the bed with those reach-in calls in the last minute of the game. We fouled some great FT shooters and they hit them. We executed on the offense and then took another step back by fouling. That was aggravating.

About Clyde’s cheese comment, that was actually just before a commercial break. It was like:
“Carter likes cheese”. Commercial. Classic

by WSD on Jan 18, 2011 9:37 AM EST reply actions  

was it just me

or did Gallo break off a shammgod dribble move during that game?

i was actually at the game and i looked away for a minute but then i saw it on the jumbotron i almost shat a squirrel

by MarinoNeedsRB on Jan 18, 2011 1:15 PM EST reply actions  

Fields SHOULD and NEEDS to be

in the game in the 4th quarter. His energy and rebounding is what we could have used yesterday especially in the 4th. How many times a game do we see him on the offensive end get a tip in on a miss or grab the offensive board. He just makes the team better and should be playing down the stretch not williams and especially not douglas.

Plus Walker is playing good right now, he should be playing more minutes than williams. I feel like williams is cooling off and cooling off fast. Last 2 games for williams 0 points in 25 min and yesterday 6 points in 25 min plus a combined 0-6 from trey.

Anyone know when Azubuike is coming back and when he does how does he fit into the rotation?

by Beanie87 on Jan 18, 2011 1:34 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Azabuike is never coming back

He was never here in the first place. Forget about him. He does not exist. He is an expensive figment of our collective imagination. We must move on.

The Landryman Can

by YuckFou on Jan 18, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

you did?

jk

"Why does green mean that's the color green? Why can't you say another word for green being green? Know what i'm saying?" - Stephon

"Anyway, you should check out the movie "Black and White," which actually stars Allan Houston. It’s not a comedy, but rather a really serious and emotional movie." - Wilson Chandler

by ny knickerbocker on Jan 19, 2011 12:50 AM EST up reply actions  

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