Knicks 93, Heat 88: "THIS IS HOW WE DO IT".
The above comment by dpileofashes (edited for language so I could headlineify it) was exactly my response at the buzzer of the Knicks' thrilling victory over the Miami Heat. The Garden had played Montell Jordan's legendary hit earlier in the game, and it's been stuck in my head since.
So...how DID the Knicks do it? Well, for starters, they defended a little bit. In fact, they defended in a manner not unlike the Knick teams of the "This Is How We Do It" era. A slew of Knicks worked to make LeBron James beat himself, and the rest of the guys kept the Heat role players quiet enough to make up for Dwyane Wade's big begoggled night. On the other end, the Knicks shot just 36% (!), but Amar'e Stoudemire's steady leadership and some huge plays by Danilo Gallinari and Landry Fields (who was easily the man of the night) got the Knicks the close victory.
Tip up your cup, throw your hands up, and take the jump for some notes.
- First and foremost, the defense on LeBron was pretty superb. Without Chris Bosh, the Miami offense was very out of sync, and James opted to take matters into his own hands pretty frequently. Hands were wrung over James's propensity to isolate, but that offense is perfectly dangerous if not contained. Danilo Gallinari and Shawne Williams (and Landry Fields and Raymond Felton at times) deserve heaps of credit for standing their ground when stranded against The Bron. Both Gallo and Williams succeeded in staying in front James, contesting his jumpers, and pestering his shots at the rim. The dude started rolling toward the end of the game when he attacked the basket in transition, but shot just 7-24 on the night for 24 points (10-12 from the line). Well done, Cock and Extra E. Rats off to ya!
- Dwyane Wade really wasn't defended badly either. Landry Fields (and Felton for stretches) lost him a few times on drives to the basket, but Wade also hit a ton of difficult jumpers and off-balance runners. He was wearing what appeared to be orange-tinted shooting glasses (shooting, like, of guns) because he's been suffering from migraines and is extra sensitive to light. While some people see strange auras and faint patterns while experiencing migraines, Wade sees the basket as five feet wide.
- The game's opening play was the signature Landry-oop, only this time it was Mr. Fields throwing the pass diagonally to a high-flying Wilson Chandler.
- It was all downhill after that for Chandler. Following a second half renaissance against the Wizards, Chandler was back to bricking jumpers and looking unusually wobbly on drives to the rim. He seemed to baby his attempts from in close, and rarely got the roll he was looking for. Wil shot 3-14 on the night and just generally looked spooked.
- Gallo, meanwhile, didn't shoot especially well (5-15), but looked very much in his element. Not only was his defense superb, but he was a bona fide second option to Amar'e, driving relentlessly for one pants-wetting dunk and 7-10 at the foul line.
- As usual, the Heat did a brilliant job of guarding the pick-and-roll. Joel Anthony, who played 35 minutes off the bench and was usually in the mix, showed with gusto after every screen. Raymond Felton-- he of the spheniscid stature and short li'l arms-- just couldn't make timely passes over the aggressive double, and Miami always rotated a third man over to shadow Amar'e's roll to the rim. Both guys did a nice job of finding the resulting open shot on the perimeter, but not a Knick could hit the openest of threes. I believe New York hit only 6 of their first 29 downtown attempts.
- Amar'e still managed to pick his spots, relying heavily on a successfully on his jumper and even pooping a corner three early on. Stoudemire also shook free off curls, rolled perfectly off a few screens, and fought through help defense for buckets inside. The guy works through plenty of contact in the paint and, if you'll forgive me for grousing about the refs after a win, it's kind of impossible that he only got fouled in the act of shooting twice (3-4 at the line).
- In the end, Miami was back to mobbing Stoudemire, so it came time for some Knicks to step up and sink threes. Danilo Gallinari and Landry Fields did just that, hitting 2-2 apiece in the final 6 minutes. After watching various Knicks brick open looks through three and a half quarters, we were waiting for the other, better shoe to drop, and drop it did.
- A number of guys had solid games, but Fields was undoubtedly the star. His defense on Wade was brave, if mortal, but Fields did most of his work on the glass and with splendid opportunistic scoring. Landry demonstrated an uncanny sense for carom trajectories, positioning himself perfectly for 13 boards, including 5 possession-saving o-bounds. That opportunistic scoring came in the form of 3-6 shooting from downtown and a few excellent finishes in the paint, both in transition and off cuts. My favorite Fields moment, though it's hard to pick just one, was when Wade backed him down with just a few ticks left on the shot clock, then had the temerity to reach up and adjust his goggles mid-dribble. Fields would have none of it, and poked the ball away as the clock expired. Landry Fields does it like nobody does.
- Somebody needs to write a book or an essay or a poem or something about Mike Miller's metamorphosis from awkward, fuzzy Dakotan to female high school soccer player to creepy CKY bro.
- Shawne Williams's downtown pooping wasn't quite as regular as we're accustomed to (1-4), but he played a yeoman's game, digging in nicely against James and also boxing out for 6 rebounds. The "E" is for energy and edge and enthusiasm and effort.
- Fun six-point possession: Extra E drains a three, Amar'e gets fouled simultaneously. Replay shows that Juwan Howard shoved Stoudemire out of bounds, then threw him to the ground when Amar'e boxed out vigorously (CO, JH). Amar'e hits the technical free throw, then misses the one that would've completed the two-man four-point play. On the miss, Landry Fields soars in and gets fouled on a missed putback slam.
- James Jones looks a bit like a fetus and shoots like one, too (5-8 from downtown).
- If you don't get that comparison, then you've clearly never played pick-up in a maternity ward.
- Did I mention that the Knicks went into the fourth quarter down 9? I don't think I mentioned that. They totally did. The fourth quarter score was 29-15, y'all.
- Two things down the stretch that might go overlooked: 1. The Knicks collapsed on LeBron's drive when they were up 3, and Mario Chalmers got a wide open look from outside that he just couldn't make. 2. Raymond Felton, who was otherwise very quiet, hit four big, big, big, big free throws in the last 15 seconds.
- Speaking of Mario, I was very disappointed that we didn't get MSG coverage of tonight's game. Every instance of watching that dude play without hearing Walt Frazier call him "Charmers" is our loss. At least Chris Barsh didn't play.
- No standing ovation or Garden video tribute for Eddie House. I assume they're saving all that for the forthcoming jersey retirement.
On a night when their offense continued to sputter until the waning moments, New York made Montell Jordan proud with stalwart defense and 48 minutes of grit. They'll take their streak southward for a battle with the Hawks tomorrow night. That's another team they failed to beat earlier this year and another opportunity for our Knicks to put that six-game slide behind them.
For now, we celebrate. It feels so good in my hood toniiiiight.
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Can't believe I forgot this, but
many many congratulations to Amar’e for being named an All-Star starter. Imma write something about this for SBN NY very soon.
by Seth on Jan 28, 2011 12:53 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Could've been a blown out
Had Knicks be able to it some 3s this game could’ve won a lot more.
Rorschach44 said it best “you don’t like Gallo, I trade you”. Gallo was great in 4th. I do not have any confidence of him taking the 3s but his 3s are always impact point and it can deflate you. The guy doesn’t afraid of the moment.
I wish Landry could’ve done that 4 points play … it will be ESPN top of top 10 plays for sure.
by newknicks.com on Jan 28, 2011 1:01 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Dont take too much away
from the Heats close-out defense. Has to be tops in the league. They are super quick in gettin back to the 3pt line. Matter fact they are of the best defenses in the league hands down
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
They are no doubt good, but those 3s that Knicks missed are not because of close out, it’s just b/c they just miss. those are not contested 3s. BTW, had they close out better, Gallo may have made some more. Seriously, he like 10X more likely to make it if there is a hand in his face, how many time we have seen that? I know I shoot better if there is a hand in my face, my mind went blank and not thinking about technique and just try to put the ball in the basket. Maybe Gallo is the same? No?
Anyway, no doubt that Heats are really really good defensively. I am very impressed how they changed layup and recovered. So many time I though Chandler have a sure layup just to pass it out and Knicks miss a 3.
by newknicks.com on Jan 28, 2011 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
I agree
The Knicks were a little spooked and out of rhythm on the threes. Not sure if it was all the Heat’s doing.
agreed
Some of them were good D, but the Knicks missed a LOT of wide open looks last night. I remember 2 by Gallo in the second, TD had 2 wide open looks, Bully had 1 wide open look, Felton had a couple…..
The Triple Felt Goose movement shall live as long as I am around.
Can't Say Enough About Shawne Williams
Lebron was clearly off tonight, but Shawne didn’t give him any breathing space when he was in the game to get going. The Knicks weren’t afraid to bump ’Bron tonight, and it made the difference on his drives to the basket—wish we could do that every game.
by MirsadTurcan'sPube on Jan 28, 2011 1:14 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
good for you guys!
wished I’d seen it
"It's nice to feel good at 32. I don't feel old. I don't feel like this is getting harder. I feel like this is getting easier, if anything." Steve Nash
did we avenge you yes?
Victory goes to the courageous!!
one thing i noticed: DWTDD is fucking quick
my memory on this is vague, but i think it was sometime in the 4th q. TD came up with a steal (i think on chalmers), was getting chased down on the fast break, then turned on a 2nd (3rd?) gear, and burned everybody chasing him on both teams.
new all-star weekend event: 100 meter foot race
didn't the nfl did that before?
Victory goes to the courageous!!
Why would they run 3x the length of the court?
That doesn’t make any sense
Good question
For that matter, I also don’t understand why the defenders don’t get a hand in the shooter’s face during the 3-point competition.
by superturboultra on Jan 28, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
If your like Gallinari and James Jones
All you do is sit out on the perimeter and wait for the three anyway
Gallinari doesn't only do that.
I’ma be nice and leave it at that.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Yes Douglas can flat out run!
He was the fastest player at the NBA draft camp the year he came out, Although I think he was only 3rd when running while dribbling.
by Robert Curre on Jan 28, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Called it ;-)
Third time lucky. I think so…
by UK Knick on Jan 28, 2011 12:17 AM GMT via mobile reply actions
UK yu sure nuff did
i’ll be damned you sure nuff did
by blackhova on Jan 28, 2011 7:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
We all have been calling for FIELDS to play the 4th quarter
Pringles played him in the 4th and LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED
by blackhova on Jan 28, 2011 7:07 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Not overlooked here
Many tears shed.
by superturboultra on Jan 28, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure if it was smart or lucky...
I’ve heard Walsh being quoted saying basically “we had no idea what to expect in Landry” so not sure if they really had any idea when drafting him, or just got lucky.
Either way, doesn’t matter. Fantastic pick, hell of a steal. 2nd Rounder turns out to be the 3rd best rookie in the NBA? Damn fine pick up.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
he's been better than Wall
and Griffen’s only a rookie based on a technicality.
Who’s the other 2? Evan Turner and Cole Aldrich? All right then
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
funniest pregame tweet
courtesy of the always outstanding Pharoah Monche: “if wade takes off his ruby quartz glasses he’s gonna burn down the garden”
www.recruitzero.com
by Prezs2ReprsntMe on Jan 28, 2011 7:58 AM EST reply actions
awesome
pharoahe is the coolest nerd ever. though he got the dr. dre effect these days and is super jacked outta nowhere
gotta say
it really sucks i can’t read a single story about this great win without the writer having to work Melo into the narrative somehow.
we just won a huge game without him, let’s talk about the players we have after a win like this jeeeesus. sheridan even wrote a whole article about how Landry just played himself out of NY
smh
that's his job
spin out crappy rumors and make it seem like the real thing. let donnie walsh speak for the team.
by the way, knicks rule!
"the best there is, the best there was, the best there ever will be."
by mindcontrolproject on Jan 28, 2011 8:25 AM EST up reply actions
THIS IS HOW WE DO IT...
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
such an awesome game
Best of the year for me EASILY
The refs are the reason we lost the Finals in 94...
by I Hate Olajuwon on Jan 28, 2011 8:42 AM EST reply actions
imo it's the san antonio game with this at second and the boston loss a close third
Victory goes to the courageous!!
the fact that pop pulled all his starters with 3 min left and the game not entirely out of hand cheapened the SA win for me. this one was about D, which made up for some missed open looks that the bockers usually make.
after fields nailed his second 3 of the 4q, lebron slammed the ball down in disgust. that sealed it for me.
that game made me think we can hang with the big boys when we are on especially with pop waving the white flag.
your mileage may vary though
Victory goes to the courageous!!
I dont think pop believed they were definitely going to lose the game
just saw how shitty the D was and wanted to send a message to his troops
by MirsadTurcan'sPube on Jan 28, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
well he said it in his post game interview that there was no way in hell that they'd win
so that’s something
Victory goes to the courageous!!
Not the best
but the most satisfied win. Yes.
by newknicks.com on Jan 28, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
This was it for me
Pure grit and heart. No quit. Pop pulled his guys, the Heat pulled themselves. Body language is everything sometimes in sports, you show fear or quit or fatigue and any team, good or bad, with the chutzpah to go for the throat will do just that. We did it. Lebron for all his skills on the court is the Peyton Manning of basketball. When you’ve got him he will show you in facial expressions or body language. Wade for all his amazng game highlights committed the cardinal sin in the fourth quarter, he let his team down. 0-7 1-4 is just bad…then he threw his team under the bus post-game. Jones was a killer all game for 3 quarters hitting clutch 3’s to keep them a step ahead, until something amazing happened. Gallo closed out and put a hand in his face and he disappeared in the 4th. We didn’t win this game, we took this game. I don’t care who was missing or who was hurting. We survived bad shooting and gutted it out. When we needed clutch plays, we got them. With Wades 3 quarters of sillyness you would think Fields played bad D, watching replays, he was pretty good. Wade was just on fire. Gallo played excellent D. Amar’e played an excellent controlled game and let the team carry the load along with him. Felton was non-existant on offense but picked the perfect time to be clutch. Team win right there and a lesson taught to an “arrogant” nemesis. This one will hurt for the heat. They’ll remember this one. Hats off to the Knicks. This was the best of the year for me. Hopefully tonight gives us a double sweet feeling of warm fuzziness to close out the week.
+1
Let’s not discount Felton’s defense. He may not have been on offensively last night, but he played the hell out of some defense, Even When he ended up getting posted up by Lebron.
by Robert Curre on Jan 28, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
I give TFG this though.....
He fed the beasts. He didnt try to do too much. Only 6 shot attempts, and 7 assists. He let the scorers do work. We play better when Felton gets his within the offense. This is a perfect example.
The Triple Felt Goose movement shall live as long as I am around.
If you were from…..where I’m from….. then you would know….That Landry’s gotta get his in a big black truck, Lebron can get his in a ’64
"I'm going to say something plain and simple - I will take getting dunked on every single game for the rest of the year if we can get the win."
- Ronny Turiaf #14
by total hermination on Jan 28, 2011 9:41 AM EST reply actions
I only caught the end of the 3rd to the end of the game!!!
Man, I just love how the Garden crowd lives and dies with every shot. I could hear the “AWWWs” and the “YEAAAHHHH!!s” and the chants when we had to clamp down. They stuck with the guys even though our 3pt shooting was pretty horrendous until the very end. I’ll even give Reggie Miller some credit. he wasn’t as annoying as I thought he’d be and he made a few good suggestions for the Knicks. Maybe he likes the Heat even less??
I had a couple brief observations too (I didn’t see them in the recap..though could have missed em?):
1. The Heat play excellent defense normally, but the Knicks had open looks from 3 ALL game and they just missed ’em. Neither offense was firing on all cylinders except for brief periods.
2. I’m all for letting contact go, but the paint looked kinda brutal on Amar’e. It might be worth saying that he has Shaq’s problem, which is being so strong that it seems the hands grabbing him don’t alter his shot attempt so it goes uncalled. He shoudl be on the FT line a lot more than he is… could the refs be penalizing him for his complaining and Ts??
3. I loved hearing Kerr and Marv question the Heat’s offense…err… LeBron’s offense in the 4th. He tried to take over the game and he just couldn’t. Could that be the achilles heel of the Heat? One of the Trifuckta decides to go it alone and it freezes the teams offense instead of passing the ball around. I could see that leading to a demise, especially against a good athletic team. Doesn’t mean they can’t take over a game… they can. But when they are forcing the issue…. that’s no good.
4. Did you see that spin move Gallo pulled in the lane with a few minutes left in the 4th?!?! Caught EVERYONE by surprise and that layup SHOULD have gone in too!! So yeah, he missed, but that move was wild! It would have set the Garden ablaze too.
5. We beat the Miami Heat without our best offensive effort. A gritty win of the kind that builds huge confidence, guys. We beat a top team without out outside shooting. Wow.!!
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Jan 28, 2011 9:54 AM EST reply actions
Saw the move
That was a good move, but too bad it rolled out. But yeap… one heck of a move.
by newknicks.com on Jan 28, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Yep Gallo was straight feeling himself with that one. Even though he missed
It was good to see him try to finish instead of just trying to flop.
I thought our Offense was very good, probably the best since the Spurs game in terms of spacing and ball movement. We just couldn’t get some very good looks to go down. Even Reggie Miller was saying by the 4th it is just a matter of time these guys are gonna start making some shots.
And Let us not discount how hard we made the Heat work on defense contributing to their 4th quarter only putting up 15. It takes energy to play defense and when the opponent keeps moving the ball and making you react and takes a thing or two out of the legs.
by Robert Curre on Jan 28, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
I understand your excitement, but #5....
They were missing Chris Bosh, which was huge for the team as Wade had 16 rebounds. Under no circumstances should your shooting guard have 16 rebounds.
Also, Chris Bosh is 1/3 of the team, and losing that much of your team is a big deal.
Wade couldn’t hit a single free throw (6-14 from the line).
LeBron couldn’t hit a shot (7-24)
Yeah, great win for the Knicks, but I wouldn’t call Miami a top team w/o Bosh on the court
Our SG had 13 rebounds
Lebron was defended well
Wade is not a great FT shooter.
Bosh is a flake
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
5 were offensive...
Lebron may have been defended well, but he still doesn’t go 7-24 against Artest and Battier
Yes, 77% is not “great” but 6-14 is not close to 77%
Call Bosh what you want, but he is still averaging 18 and 8 and is a top 8 PF in the league
rebounds are rebounds
if they aren’t then you’re reaching.
I don’t care what Artest and Battier do.
Still not a great FT shooter and no one cares about Bosh
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Offensive rebounds are created, defensive rebounds are not
The fact the Wade had to grab 13 defensive rebounds speaks a lot about the Heat’s inability to rebound the ball. If a capable big man was in the game then Landry probably doesn’t get those 5 offensive rebounds.
I also like how you completely disregard the statistics I posted and just made an ignorant post.
cut the shit Nets fan.
The Heat have Lebron, a dude that can rebound with anyone. They have rebounders. Wade has always rebounded teh ball well too, he’s averaging around 7 boards a game.
Wade and Fields did the same thing as far as rebounds in this game too. The hell are you trying to prove? Defensive rebounds ain’t created? Since when?
Yea, I disregard the statistics since they don’t mean anything and I disregard you now too. Enjoy.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Good for you
Wade averages 5reb for his career and shoots 77% from the line. He had 16 rebounds and shot 43% from the line.
Fields did his work on the offensive glass (5/13 of his reb), Wade only 3/16 were offensive. Shooting guards aren’t supposed to be doing work on the defensive glass, that is for the frontcourt which was non-existent with Bosh out.
I could be wrong, but instead of proving that I’m wrong, you choose to be arrogant. Good for you
It's not that Wade HAD to grab 13 rebounds.
How can you go out and define something like that?? Wade rebounds. Period. Landry Fields rebounds. Period. Maybe you have specific roles in mind for players, but I don’t ever want to be on your team if you are like “you are a shooting guard… you don’t rebound.” So what?! A shit is missed and you make sure the other team doesn’t get the rebound.
No NBA game is played according to the most ideal settings. Guys get hurt, guys have bad games, teams play different strategies, players hit hot streaks. In the end, a championship isn’t won by a single player, it’s how the team handles adversity over the season.
So fuck the Heat for playing without 1/15th of their team in Chris Bosh. They can use it as an excuse for losing, but the Celtics didn’t bitch when Rajon Rondo was hurt. Nor when Kendrick Perkins was hurt. The hornets didn’t bicth when Chris Paul was having surgery last season. They made the adjustment and went on playing and winning games. Guys stepped up in their place. That’s what good teams do. So the Knicks stepped up more and BEAT Miami. And they did it without their own biggest weapon too… the Knicks shot horrible from 3.
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Jan 29, 2011 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
Wade grabbing 13 defensive rebounds shows that the Heat were struggling to rebound
It’s not a knock against Wade, or Landry Fields, or any other guard who grabs a lot of rebounds. It’s just that guards normally don’t rebound that much because the frontcourt is usually rebounding everything. Since Bosh was out, the Heat’s frontcourt was nonexistent and Wade had to grab rebounds. The Knicks had a lot of off. rebounds (Fields had 5) and if Bosh was playing, the Knicks probably don’t grab that many. It’s not an indictment against Wade, it just shows that the Heat couldn’t rebound
Chris Bosh is 1/3 of their team. It’s obvious your team isn’t very good when James Jones and Big Z are starting. The difference between an injury to Bosh and an injury to Rondo is that Bosh is more valuable to his team. While Rondo may be better than Bosh, Bosh is more valuable because they have nobody to replace him and nobody who can play his role. Nate Robinson is a pretty good backup and the Celtics already have 3 potential all stars in KG, Piece, and Ray. Same with the Hornets (except they played pretty poorly), but Collison was very good in his time as starting PG. You can say players stepped up, but the Heat have nobody on the team to step up. They don’t have any young guys or decent players coming off the bench, the whole team revolves around the Big 3, and when the team went from Big 3 to Big 2, then they are a lot worse.
Yes, the Knicks beat Miami, but last night, the Pistons lost to the heat 88-87 when only LeBron played. Would you say the Pistons stepped up and won when they only played LeBron James?
I guess I'll start the Melo comments....
We really don’t need him, we just need guys like Gallo to become more consistent (Landry is always consistent <3)
What we desperately need is a starting center to get more rebounds
Not the best win we have had but still spectacular considering we didn’t shoot well from the arc
Landry Fields for ROY
"Fields does it like nobody does"
These Montell Jordan references are killer, Seth.
If I had to explain to someone why I read this blog daily, I’d probably just direct them to the line
“Tip up your cup, throw your hands up, and take the jump for some notes.”
well done. an appropriately strong recap for a rebonkulously strong game.
by PrivateRadio on Jan 28, 2011 10:11 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Some more inside MSG footage
It’s not courtside, but I’m having fun putting these together. Just have to figure out why my Blackberry camera is coming out so blurry suddenly.
Amar'e summed up the games against Miami perfectly!
“The first two games we got caught by surprise at how fast they are defensively and the way they play,” Stoudemire said. "They are very aggressive, very quick, very fast and very strong.
“The first game we played well in the first half. The second game we played well in the second half. Tonight, we put a total 48-minute game together and got the win.”
Here is the whole article, which beautifully focuses on Landry Fields… caloing him the best rookie this side of Blake Griffin. Excellent!!
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Jan 28, 2011 10:20 AM EST reply actions
The best rookie this side of Blake Griffin.
Well I’m not sure I’d put him ahead of John Wall… but I wouldn’t blame you for making that case either, there’s certainly an argument there.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Wall has more potential, sure... and I'd probably say he will be a better player
but Fields is having the best season right now. Which is what the ROY should be about. Nice to see some respect for the guy too.
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Jan 28, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
You guys are too critical of these young guys
Everyone thought Greg Oden was the next best thing when he was drafted #1 overall but look at him now
I’m not saying Fields will end up being better than Wall but we can’t start predicting that Wall will be better than Fields either
As of right now, Fields is better than Wall though
Landry Fields for ROY
You can make that argument, sure
However, it’s worth noting that as Wall has put some serious numbers up when he’s been healthy. He’s neared triple doubles a number of times and looks like the kind of guy capable of averaging a double-double for a long time.
So while i vote for Landry over him at THIS moment, we should be well aware that wall has missed a number of games due to injury and he is also 19… he is gonna be a terrific player. Make no mistake.
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Jan 28, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Oh we know.
Wall definitely has way more upside…..But for all we know Fields could just be getting started. But yeah, Im sure even the biggest Landry homer here were acknowledge that Wall is more talented right now, while Fields is the better player right now.
The Triple Felt Goose movement shall live as long as I am around.
Fields is having the better season.
But so much of that is system as well. Fields fits what the Knicks want to do. Good in the open court, athletic, can spot up. He’s a role player on the Knicks team, not relied on to make plays every single time down the court. This is not to discredit him, he’s came through wonderfully for the Knicks on numerous occasions, and has been a solid, consistent performer this year.
But Wall is in an entirely different situation, #1 pick, expected to be a leader of the team, expect to make basically ALL the plays, for himself and his team mates. Far more pressure, far more difficult to succeed, and he doesn’t have the talent around him that Fields does to defer defenses a bit.
Put it this way, no team is out there scheming ways to stop Landry Fields, the same can’t really be said about Wall. So I won’t say he’s the better player, I will agree he’s having a better season, as of right now.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
I get the point you want to make, but I disagree
First off…EVERYONE is a role player. And while there is certainly a difference in a #1 pick and #39…. but you ARE knocking down Landry Fields a peg or two. No doubt John Wall has pressure… but he also has a guaranteed contract. Ladnry Fields had to first MAKE his team and earn a contract… I mean… you wanna talk about pressure? How about becoming a starter for the Knicks as a 2nd round rookie? You think the NY spotlight isn’t glued to Landry Fields? And yes, no one was scheming to stop him at the beginning of the year, but I guarantee they know about him now. Best rebounding guard in the NBA gets noticed by opponents at the very least because they don’t want him dunking other Knicks missed FTs.
But look, the point of the matter is you can argue pressure on either guy. Wall is a far bigger name, though he definitely isn’t making “ALL the plays”. He is also on a team that is not expected to win right now. The Wizards are rebuilding and just trying to develop chemistry amongst their young guys. That right there takes away some of the pressure on Wall to perform.
On the other hand… now that Fields has established himself as a consistent player on the court, his expectations are rising. He is still a 2nd round rookie, but he’s become a huge steal in the draft and more and more people notice that and look to see about the ‘hype’. Also his ‘role’ on the Knicks becomes more important as the Knicks DO have pressure to win now.
So, while I agree Wall could very well be a bigger star and better player than Landry, it’s a bit of an injustice to simplify it down in the way you did (and I’m not looking to discredit you either, but rather just making a point myself).
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Jan 29, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
Gallo's dunk almost turned the garden into the Metrodome
It was so awesome that I jumped up while eating and nearly choked to death from excitement. That will be the last time I eat while watching the Knicks.
or
you can eat and close your eyes when Gallo shoot. Just love the guy. He can really make you choke or choke the Knicks. No wonder he is so polarized.
by newknicks.com on Jan 28, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Great game
Wow did I miss MSG though. If I had to listen to Reggie Miller announce every game, I’d stick a meat thermometer into each of my eardrums.
I'm the fan formerly known as Serious Garbage Time
by Bernard King's Game Face on Jan 28, 2011 10:34 AM EST reply actions
Seth: I was at the game and
you were totally right about the last-minute Chalmers shot. I’m not sure who was guarding Chalmers (I want to say Gallo), but he definitely collapsed on Lebron WAY too hard, especially considering they needed to hit a 3-pointer. My friend and I almost had a heart attack; it was even more obvious watching it live. But we got away with it, so it is all good, I guess.
The Garden was pretty good last night, especially in the 4th. I actually think the atmosphere was better in the Denver and San Antonio games earlier this year. A lot of fairweather fans there last night, methinks. Not that I’m complaining about more fans taking an interest in the Knicks. Either way, the Garden in a tight 4th quarter is a treat. A win tonight really would put that losing streak out of sight, out of mind.
By the way, my custom-ordered Fields jersey is looking fresher every game. Even if he gets traded, I will be happy to re-live the memories of games like this.
It was a good heads up move for Felton and Gallo to NOT foul LeBron when he drve for a layup too
Those little things can be the difference makers.
Just like we got lucky that Chalmers missed that wide 3 as Gallo came baseline to help stop Lebron. That was a mistake but it didn’t hurt us.
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Jan 28, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
That is a good point.
Not fouling on the drive was smart basketball.
Yup.
Announcers even noted that down the stretch. Praised Felton for getting out the way. Heads up play.
The Triple Felt Goose movement shall live as long as I am around.
Happy for the Knicks, I am.
Wish Bosh could have played to see both teams in full action; however hate the Heat, I do.
No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try.
I GET IT!
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
the big 3
wade: 14-22, 34 pts
ledouche: 7-24, 24 pts
everyone else: 9-26, 30 pts
take james jones’s 5 triples out of that, and it’s gruesome. just a bunch of guys standing around watching LBJ miss shots.
It's quite likely that Mike D'Antoni will accomplish something that Don Chaney, Lenny Wilkens, Herb Williams, Larry Brown, and Isiah Thomas couldn't do: Win a playoff game. So, obviously, small ball doesn't work.
Yeah, they can make the playoffs with the stand-around offense
but they won’t come close to a title.
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Jan 28, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Great win
Wade was amazing last night through the first 3 quarters, plus he and chalmers completely took Felton out of the game, but the Knicks were great in the 4th quarter. Loved Amare guarding Lebron, he rarely has someone bigger than him guarding him, seemed to really bother him all night.
The Heat without Bosh just aren’t very good, basically they’re left taking contested jumpers and reckless drives at the hoop hoping to get a call. A very trashy way to play basketball, I’m glad they lost.
Ball Chat - Episode 17 - Just Kidd'n Around - 1/25/11
Irreverent, informative, entertaining. A welcomed curveball to mainstream watered down NBA analysis.
Gallo.. Gallo
Just love Gallo. Also, Toney is playing better. Knicks are coming together again. Another 9 wins out of 10? They do have a favorable schedule coming up.
Is there some reason to believe
That as this team evolves (hopefully in a positive way) that it will get better at playing good D? Barkley claimed that this system could never win a championship. Can D’antoni evolve as well? Can he bring the team around so that there is more balance between O and D? I’m impressed by Amar’e and his improvements as a shot blocker. Gallo has so much room to improve. Lots of players with room to improve parts of their game. Wow!
by PACKOWILDDOGS on Jan 28, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
D'Antoni is who he is
He has been a coach for a long long time, he is not going to change his ways. Coaches do adapt to personnel and so will D’Antoni. With more defensive capable players, Knicks will get better defensively. I thought the defensive scheme work great last nights. again, missed shot will make any team look good defensively. Spur is one really good defensive tea m and so was Jazz and Knicks make them look like the Warriors on defensively. Sometimes offense dictate how defense look. Knicks defense are not great and not bad as everyone saying. Knicks have to pick their spot on defense. They can’t go all out in first half, since they can’t afford to get in foul trouble.
As for Barkley, Packowilddogs, if you have time drop by my site, I wrote a piece on Barkely thought.
I Walsh I trust
by newknicks.com on Jan 28, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Cosign.
If you want the knicks to play better defense, it’s on Walsh to find willing, self-motivated defensive players that D’Antoni will make part of the rotation.
You can’t rely on D’Antoni’s staff’s ability to coach defense out of players. It is what it is.
by Ten Ton Hammer on Jan 28, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
The team plays defense
the PPG doesn’t tell you that. Not even any differential tells you that.
I watch plenty of basketball but the Knicks have got to be one of the worst teams as far as closing out possessions and getting the rock in their own hands.
They make a great defensive play but the ball somehow winds up back in the other team’s hands..whether its a steal, a rebound or just a lapse of focus.
I don’t think its D’Antoni. Its that we don’t have more than one Landry Fields.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Gallo is becoming
My favorite Bocker, I don’t know why but the kids growing on me.
I've got a feeling that Buffalo is going to the Super, er, going play hard and lose in a gutwrenching fashion -
by 78sackdance on Jan 28, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
What is not to like
about Gallo? I saw a lot of posts saying how bad his D is and stuff. At time I wonder if it is b/c he is white. Truth is black athlete is more athletic, look more athletic so it give him a false bad D. He is not great defenisvely but not as bad as everyone billed to be.
Anyway, what is not to love about Gallo? The kid have heart, gut and passion. Good guy, good player.
by newknicks.com on Jan 28, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
really glad Seth brought up the point about Amare getting no calls!
I know that it’s annoying to complain about refs, especially after a win when it’s sorta moot…but I was screaming at the TV last night I was so mad! Especially after time and time again, Lebron pushed through the paint and muscled it in and got call after call – often when our guys barely even touched him – while Amare drew so much more contact and barely got to the line! it was bogus! I understand that Lebron is Lebron, but they are both All Stars and it was our homecourt. What gives?!
To be fair
LeBron doesn’t get a lot of calls he normally gets. I thought he get hammered a few time and no calls.
I Walsh I trust
by newknicks.com on Jan 28, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
LeBron wasnt gettin his usual calls…..But Wade got a few ticky tack ones to balance it out.
The Triple Felt Goose movement shall live as long as I am around.
I hate Montell Jordan (at least his music)
But this song gets stuck in my head, why would you do this to me!!!!
I've got a feeling that Buffalo is going to the Super, er, going play hard and lose in a gutwrenching fashion -
I’m still recovering from this game last night….
I was wrecked…best game (atmosphere) I’ve been to all year…..BIG BOY win!
Is it possible Chandler is playing terribly
because subconsciously he does NOT want to be traded away to Denver, so he doesn’t want to play well?
When you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose, it's how drunk you get.
by Mase in Your Face! on Jan 28, 2011 3:31 PM EST reply actions
Big win
Awesome 4th. I’m already more pumped about this season than I’ve been over the course of the last decade.
Ryan Miller was the true MVP. See my profile for rant.

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