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In my previous post I raised questions about the risks of signing Chris Paul. However, given that Paul to the Knicks is virtually fait accompli, I have a solution to solve the other problems.

 

All we need is for the league to adopt the higher of their salary cap estimates for 2012 and a very good negotiator in the front office. Grunwald, how are your negotiating skills?




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The higher cap number would allow the Knicks to get to 24 million under the cap (provided that they buy out Balkman). Now here is where negotiation comes in. Max contracts are determined by 28% of the total cap number for players changing teams and 30% of cap for players staying with their teams.  The NBA owners originally offered to set the cap at 62 million for this season and 64 million for 2012.  Therefore a max deal for Paul would be 17.9 million in 2012 and 106 million for 5 years.  I propose that the Knicks try to convince Paul to take 14 million in year one, that would allow the Knicks to pay him 92 million over 5 years. That would mean that Paul would leave 2.8 million a year on the table. Since Paul wants to play here, and since playing in New York would give him greater exposure and increase the value of his off the court income, by more than 2.8 million a year, I am sure that a savvy negotiator could get Paul to take 92 million to play with Carmelo and Amare.

 

That leaves 10 million in cap space. Now we need a big man. I propose the Knicks go after Tim Duncan. I for one do not believe that Duncan is untouchable or that he will not take significantly less money to leave San Antonio. Duncan has already made more money than he can spend in a lifetime. He could retire today and be financially set for life. Duncan hasn't retired, because he wants to win another title. If the Knicks President can convince Duncan that his chances of winning are better in NY with Paul, Amar'e, and Carmelo, than they are in San Antonio Duncan will leave. But it will take someone who can sell championships to Duncan. By the way if I thought this up, believe Pat Riley has also, and Riley can sell ice to Eskimos when he wants to. If old ass Tim Duncan does leave SA, I would rather he come here and not Miami. Let's say we get Duncan to sign for around 5 mil.  This will be hard but it could be done. Duncan would take less money to leave San Antonio if he believes a championship can be had.

 

That leaves 5 mil. Now here is the really hard part. There are three young players who would be good for our bench that I have been monitoring closely. I will list them in order of preference:

1. Nicolas Batum

2. Wilson Chandler

3. Danilo Gallinari.

 

Batum's fate in Portland may be determined by what Gerald Wallace decides to do and how much money Felton gets. Wallace can opt out of his contract in 2012, however since he is building a house in Portland that seems unlikely. Felton reportedly wants between 9-11 million. If Wallace decides not to opt out and Felton gets his money, then Portland who normally would keep a player like Batum may be forced to let him go. The situation in Denver is pretty clear cut, Denver plans to keep either Chandler or Gallinari but not both. Chandler's decision to go to China may have tipped the scales in his favor. Denver was already leaning towards Chandler, and since they still will have his rights, and his cap hold is much lower than Gallinari's, Gallo will probably be kicked loose. I would prefer Batum, who is a more complete player who Portland still hasn't figure out how to use properly, But Gallo is probably the guy who would sign for the least money. When Gallo was still a Knick he said he would resign with the team for 5 mil so there you go.

 

And since the owner's lost their nerve on the Bird exception and Roster exceptions, we will be able to re-sign Fields and whomever else we need to fill out the roster using their bird rights.

 

Now this could fail. The owners may decide to lower the Cap because of lost revenue from the Lockout. Chris Paul might demand a full max deal not a near max one. Tim Duncan might look at a roster with Paul, Amar'e, and Carmelo and say "two of those guys play zero defense, and the 3rd has no heart. Sorry but I am taking my talents to South Beach." And Batum, Chandler, and Gallinari may all be re-signed by their teams or want too much money. But it is a plan, and it puts names to the people taking less money and why they would take it.

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That headline is hilarious.

But I feel like I’m being tested here and I don’t know why or on what.

Fish Fingers give me a break.

by GAx on Oct 25, 2011 4:23 PM EDT reply actions  

what test

The fans get Paul and I get a center and a reliable 6th man. Everybody is happy!

by Robert Curre on Oct 25, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well shoot.

That was easy!

Fish Fingers give me a break.

by GAx on Oct 25, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the Blazers love Batum

And Chandler will love China. Gallinari will have to come back due to having Knicks tattooed on his heart or whatever.

by mindfeck on Oct 25, 2011 4:48 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree the Blazers love Batum, but their owner

Probably loves avoiding the luxury tax more. The Nuggets think Chandler is a better and more versatile defender, and the fact that Gallinari’s cap hold is over 10 million probably means he is the odd man out in Denver, unless there is a season this year and Gallinari plays like a beast while Chandler is in China.

by Robert Curre on Oct 25, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Their owner is worth 12 billion

Luxury tax is a pittance to him. Also, even though Batum is redundant in Portland, he is still a young talent full of potential, whom the Blazers do indeed love. He is the Blazers’ best trade chip and definitely worth more than 5 million a year.
Gallo’s cap hold is fairly large, but the Nuggets believe that of the young guys they have, he has the best chance of being a star or at least their go to guy, besides Ty Lawson. No way they just let him walk.

by Mikel L on Oct 25, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rich people are also smart (generally)

The organization won’t just give Batum away or let him walk.

by Mikel L on Oct 25, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Counter-counterpoint: It makes no sense at all for the Blazers to cut Batum

Basketball or money-wise.
Save a couple million, but give up arguably the best prospect/trade chip on the team?
Yes Allen is a known meddler and famous for his fickleness, but he is not a fool.

by Mikel L on Oct 25, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

That

Is a whole ’nother story.
Portland amnesties Roy, Knicks can get him for, idk slightly more than the vets min or whatever the new midlevel is? It certainly has potential.

by Mikel L on Oct 25, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Denver may not have any choice Mikel

There will be alot of players that could help the Nuggets on the Free agent Market in 2012 and they should have the Cash to sign some of them. That is provided they do not tie up 16.4 Million in cap room on Gallinari and Chandler. So yes one of those guys will be let go, in order to save cap room. However that does not mean that either would sign here. Especially if Chandler is the one let go. Chandler wants to start and therefore is not going to want to come back here to come off the bench. Gallo may be willing to sign with a team and come off the bench, but you have to also consider if a team offered him a little more money and Starters minutes then….
 You are right about Batum he is definitely a long shot even if Portland lets him Walk, but I disagree about the 5 million however. You have to consider the total contract and not the first year pay out.

by Robert Curre on Oct 26, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was wondering recently

if Chandler might really, really love China, because he hardly has to talk to anybody. (I’m assuming here that Wilson Chandler doesn’t want to talk to anybody which is, of course, a ridiculous assumption).

by Seth on Oct 25, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now I desperately want to see a montage of Wil throwing absolutely disgusting, sick dunks in Chinese faces

and then walking nonchalantly to his bench completely ignoring his jubilant teammates. Like a bunch of smaller Chinese Nates just going bananas behind him and Wilson just spits out a tooth. It can’t possibly be going down any other way.

Fish Fingers give me a break.

by GAx on Oct 25, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

Like a bunch of smaller Chinese Nates just going bananas behind him and Wilson just spits out a tooth.

LMAO. REC’D

by Crackback on Oct 25, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

When I was a kid we used to bite off the heads of candy corns

and get a mouthful of them and then try to find some pretext like a fake fight to stage getting hit in the mouth. Then spit them all out at the same time.
Do you think Wilson could be talked into doing something like this, just for us, his old Knick fans?

by YuckFou on Oct 25, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Wil only spits out real teeth

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Oct 26, 2011 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd as well.

You just made my day.

When crappy things happen at work today, I’m going to close my eyes and picture this.

SPEND ON BIGS

by StarksMiddleFinger on Oct 26, 2011 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

what if he was fluent in Chinese?

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Oct 26, 2011 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

There is a short list of players in my mind who will never ever ever leave their franchise.

Tim Duncan is one of those few.

Popovich is like his freakin’ dad. ESPN is always slobbering over their “father-son” relationship.

Duncan doesn’t want to play anywhere else.

Now if Tony Parker does to Duncan what he did to Barry… well…

anything is possible.

SPEND ON BIGS

by StarksMiddleFinger on Oct 26, 2011 8:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Maybe you are right, but unless you are a total loser all kids leave the nest eventually

And it is not like Duncan has never wanted to leave before. In 2000 he was an all but done deal to go to Orlando, but David Robinson talked him into staying. Since then he has been on a team that is usually one of the 3 or 4 teams that is a pre-season favorite to win it all. However the window for winning is closing in San Antonio, and if he can be convinced that he can win elsewhere he will leave. Duncan wants more rings, and even Popovich knows that. Again not saying it would be easy, but I think the Knicks should at least take a shot at it. By the way if Duncan actually gets to free agency, then that is a sign that he may be at least open to hearing what other folks have to say.

by Robert Curre on Oct 26, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Currence Trying To think Again

You sound like a Democrat politician with all your imaginary answers/solutions.
Always give me money or another b.s. policy to go on.

Currence try thinking like a business man and maybe you will eventtually make sense and understand this NBA strike/lockdown between Owners/Players

by Dziedzic on Oct 26, 2011 1:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Lord Currence please put your thinking cap back on because you owe me drinks once Christian Laettner ends this lockout

so start rooting for OJ Mayo/Shaquille O’Neal in 2012. These overpaid “max level” stars are more like “mezzanine” stars! The Good Man Dolan better hope this season starts soon or this ice cream puppet Dantoni will melt before you know it gyahahaha.

Go Nets!

Fish Fingers give me a break.

by GAx on Oct 26, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

R.Currence

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Oct 26, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

to my eternal shame

Fish Fingers give me a break.

by GAx on Oct 26, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

GAx and Lord Currence

I Love Both of You!…Keep Up the Good Work.

My dream 2012 Not 2011 New York Knicks Team:
B.Griffifn…..(D.Jordan or M.Gasol)…..C.Anthony…..D.Williams…..O.J.Mayo
S.Williams…?????……L.Fields………D.Harris………H.Barnes

Head Coach…………….(J.Sloan or C.Laettner)
Asst. Head Coaches….K.Tripuka…..B.McAdoo…..M.Cheeks…..C.Oakley

Of course I would have to perform as GM to pull this NBA Championship team together.
Taking my R.Auerbach and J.Wooden talent combine with today’s game.

by Dziedzic on Oct 26, 2011 7:47 PM EDT reply actions  

hopefully D.Harris is Del Harris

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Oct 26, 2011 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

its really weird

that you think so highly of christian laettner. I mean, you’re obviously crazy, so I guess I shouldn’t be surprised, but I feel like you could randomly pick any person out of a crowd and they’d be a better head coaching candidate than christian laettner

"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy

by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Oct 26, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Holy shit.
Taking my R.Auerbach and J.Wooden talent combine with today’s game.

It’s getting obvious, Dz. You gotta keep the trolling subtle.

Fish Fingers give me a break.

by GAx on Oct 27, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Auerbach and Wooden

Let me guess those are your new coaching candidates.

by Robert Curre on Oct 27, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

silly questions

How are the Knicks getting a top 5 draft pick to get Harrison Barnes?
Why would the Clippers trade Blake Griffin for an older, more expensive, and arguably inferior player?
How are the Knicks getting Deron Williams? And a center who would command about 10 million per season?

by mindfeck on Oct 27, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

There is only one man

whom could pull this off. I think you know whom I am talking about.

I love the Knicks twice as much as you so piss off.

by dzeidzik on Oct 27, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahah that sig

Fish Fingers give me a break.

by GAx on Oct 27, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

you really think Dizzy's gonna explain his bullshit?

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Oct 27, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

C Laettner

holy hell he is bad with teammates the guy was a great college player but sucked in the NBA H Barnes how will we get the 1 pick J Sloan the game has passed him by

okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24 real name jeremy woodard nettleton high class of 02 yes i am a raider

by j-man on Nov 2, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think Duncan is a good fit here

He considers himself a power forward so I am not so sure how much he would want to be the Knick center. At his age the extra banging around of playing down low probably has little appeal to him. Maybe if he came here at the minimum and mentored Jorts?

by YuckFou on Oct 27, 2011 5:17 PM EDT reply actions  

trade amare and carmelo for dwight howard and spare parts

Then sign Tim Duncan for twin towers pt. 2. He can play the David Robinson role but as himself and still as PF.

by mindfeck on Oct 28, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dwight Howard, JJ Redick, Ryan Anderson, Tim Duncan compared to Carmelo and Amar’e. Which one do you think is set up to win more for the next few years?

by mindfeck on Oct 29, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know, which one do you think?

It sounds like you would trade Amar’e and Melo for Dwight straight up. I’m not sure I like that trade, although I guess I would consider it.

by YuckFou on Oct 30, 2011 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Robert, as usual your arguments are meticulous and well-reasoned. I only take exception to your Tim Duncan affection.

First off, when you have CP3, Amare and Melo you dont even need a TD in his prime let alone a washed up one, to win a championship. You just need a Luc Longley. The Knicks may already have one in their back pocket already. And no need to speculate on what 3rd tier centers will be available one year from now or until the next trade deadline.

P.S Duncan hates playing center and hes not a banger.

by bababooey2 on Oct 28, 2011 1:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I would take a Luc Longley however We do not have one

And if you are referring to Josh Harrellson, the only comparison that he and Longley have at this time is they are both tall, white, and have poor fashion sense. Longley was extremely talented although a bit lazy and therefore a chronic underachiever. Longley when he entered the draft was being compared to Bill Walton. If you mean Jerome Jordan, apart from he and Longley both being 7 foot and foreign born, he has even less in common with Longley at this point than Harrellson does.

by Robert Curre on Oct 31, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice write up.

I’d look into a veteran SG like Ray Allen or Rip Hamilton (who could be amnestied or a FA by 2012) to add to that group. I love the idea of having the veteran Tim Duncan man the middle for us. He may be older but in this hypothetical scenario, he’d really not have to do anything besides rebound and defend (which idk if he’d be okay with but I’d imagine he’d want another ring). But like the guy above me said, we don’t even need a Duncan (albeit washed up) center, all we need is a guy like Ronny Turiaf, Joel Anthony or any big bodied glue guy to play center.

by hvino on Nov 1, 2011 12:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Actually he is wrong, he gave the example of Luc Longley

Longley was an extremely high skilled though lazy player, and cost the Bulls 10 million a year. And Actually a guy like Duncan is a better fit. The Knicks need a player who can work with Amar’e. Center in this case is a relative term, because that guy would probably spend about 70% of his time guarding Power Forwards. Really what we need is to pair Amar’e up with a guy like Tyson Chandler who is big enough to guard Centers and agile enough to guard power forwards. We need a guy who can guard the guys Amare can’t and grab the rebounds he doesn’t, that is why we can’t just get any old big body, they need to be athletic enough to guard power forwards. Turiaf and Anthony are not good enough players. I think we saw in the finals that while people may talk like Tyson Chandler and Joel Anthony are similar players there is a significant difference between the two in terms of actual on the court ability. But we do not have the money to sign a guy like Chandler or say Dalembert who is similar in ability, if we sign a guy like Paul, so that is why I came up with the option of approaching a guy like Duncan who is really still playing just to win another title and has already made over 200 million dollars in his career. Duncan can also still score when he has to, so on a night when Amare or Carmelo may be off he could step in and pick up the slack.

by Robert Curre on Nov 1, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Obviously Duncan would be better and it's no comparison, but OPINION is that with a trio as strong as Paul/Anthony/Stoudemire, the center position wouldn't require much more than defense and rebounding.

So yes, Duncan would by far the best choice, I just have a hard time imagining him leaving San Antonio, us having the cap space after signing Paul AND him taking a pay cut.

by hvino on Nov 1, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

read the post, we would have to get paul to leave enough on the table to sign him.

Secondly, Duncan has made over 200 Million in his career so he might be willing to sign for 5 mil if he believed we gave him the best chance at a ring.

by Robert Curre on Nov 1, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

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