Lockout Talk Open Thread

by Seth on Oct 28, 2011 1:30 PM EDT in Lockout : (

Today feels like a pretty big day. All the smart people are saying that there's at least a possibility of reaching an agreement. Of course, all this positivity could be a big ruse and things could take a turn for the worse. Either way, there's plenty to talk about. Also worth discussing, if you're so inclined, is the possibility of a new amnesty clause with a two-year grace period, among other system issues that are (hopefully) getting resolved in some fashion.

I'll update with any news throughout the day. In the meantime, here's a dancin' duck:

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For real?

Could today be the day this totally needless crap ends?

I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.

Vince Lombardi

by moose35 on Oct 28, 2011 1:36 PM EDT reply actions

give me NBA

proper b-ball

by dank7 on Oct 28, 2011 1:44 PM EDT reply actions

I'm hearing a lot of optimism

I would be soooo happy if I got to spend Christmas break watching bball with my family

Anxiously awaiting the day my username will be appropriate

by knickswin on Oct 28, 2011 1:57 PM EDT reply actions

Seth!

Thank you for that video! Best video I’ve seen in weeks!

by WSD on Oct 28, 2011 2:11 PM EDT reply actions

All thanks go to Mr. Duck

Posting and Toasting: DWTDD.

by Seth on Oct 28, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions

He's got potential if I've ever seen it

by WSD on Oct 28, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions

It was a great performance, for sure.

Fields, on the follow!

by nygmp42 on Oct 28, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions

As far as the negotiations go

The optimism across the board is awesome. However, things are pretty fragile when it comes to the BRI split which is the biggest topic yet, and they’re tackling it today. Fingers crossed that things go well.

If not, I honestly could see them getting back together in 2 weeks or so, when games have literally been missed, and just nailing out a deal. Some writers think that if they don’t get a deal in the next few days that the motivation will die down, because an 82-game schedule won’t be possible any longer.

I think the opposite. Some people may not be that motivated for all 82 games. I think once they literally start missing games, not playing when they normally do, then people will get serious. Two weeks into November and there’s no basketball, I think they will be ready to make a deal

by WSD on Oct 28, 2011 2:12 PM EDT reply actions

Apparently

The lockout hotel was going to sue the NBA and the players union for millions of dollars because of all the damage done to their couches, carpets, and reputation by all the reporters lying around the lobby nursing drinks for 8 hours and then spilling them on the furniture

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Oct 28, 2011 2:13 PM EDT reply actions

come on get this done so we can see some seth pregame drawings!

"As much as I respect and admire Bill Belichick, I came here to kick his a**, and that’s the truth." - Rex Ryan

now lets go get a goddamn snack.

by JETSFANF0RLYF3 on Oct 28, 2011 3:25 PM EDT reply actions

That duck has better footwork than Safari.

Stainer of mountaintops.

by Chairman Meow on Oct 28, 2011 3:48 PM EDT reply actions

I want some dang NBA.

Fields, on the follow!

by nygmp42 on Oct 28, 2011 4:14 PM EDT reply actions

according to Broussard

the talks have broken off with no deal. BRI still the sticking point.

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by Taylor Made on Oct 28, 2011 4:44 PM EDT reply actions

Owners and players need to actually NEGOTIATE!

Owners want 50-50 split? OK give a little and settle for 51-49. Players want luxury tax to be less aggressive? Then maybe the players need to give a little more BRI so they can continue building their super teams! Lets go damn it!!! You are running out of time!

Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...

by Major on Oct 28, 2011 5:10 PM EDT reply actions

Hell no. As much as I want my NBA back, the players shouldn't have to drop even lower.

Let’s have the owners actually give up something they had in the previous CBA first.

Fish Fingers give me a break.

by GAx on Oct 28, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions

Why don't both give up something?

Get the deal done percentage points really don’t matter in the long run

Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...

by Major on Oct 28, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions

But that's Gax's point

The owners haven’t actually given up anything. The basically said to the players: We want you to give up 12 percent. Then the players offered to give up 3 percent. Then the owners said, how about 11 percent? Then the players said, we’ll give up 4 percent. the the owners said, OK, how about you give up 10 percent? And the players said no.

So the owners said, OK, well give up on some of the systemic changes that we proposed to benefit us, and then how about you give up 7 percent? The players said, OK, let’s talk, and then offered to give up 4.5 percent.

This negotiation is all about what the players are giving up. The owners aren’t giving anything up compared to the previous CBA.

This is like a negotiation with your boss as to just how much of a pay cut you are going to take, while getting no benefits in return. It’s the owners locking out the players. It’s not the players going on strike.

If the owners agreed today to 52 percent for the players, there would be a deal, and that deal would be an improvement for the owners over the last deal. It would be a worse deal for the players.

The eventual deal will be worse for the players, and better for the owners, than the last CBA. The only question is how much. The owners say that what the players have offered to concede is not enough and they will continue to lock out the players and cancel games.

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Oct 28, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions