Third Star plan could be very possible

by hvino on Nov 1, 2011 12:11 PM EDT

read this:

http://eye-on-basketball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/33070493?ttag=gen10_on_all_fb_na_txt_0001

I know many here debate on whether adding a 3rd star is the right move or not and I've been pretty clear that I think it is, but according to this article and most of the leaks from the CBA negotiations, it's now a pretty much guarantee that there won't be a hard cap and the cap number won't be much lower (if at all) for the first few years of the deal. So what does this mean? It means that if the cap number is between $56- $62 million in 2012 and we'll have around $40-$44 million committed (between Melo, Amar'e, Shumpert and possibly Douglas and/or Balkman), That means between $12-$22 million available in space (not including the small cap holds, which could possibly be eliminated according to reports). So that means we'd probably be able to be in the running for one of Paul/ Williams/ Howard and when you consider the lure of NY combined with the 2 all star already under contract, you'd have to imagine at least one of them would want to sign here (and maybe more than 1 does and we get to choose which one).

Also there's been talk of an amnesty clause (which I have been talking about since like June) that could be delayed or "kept in the back pocket" which leads to a very interesting situation. What if we go into 2012 and either Paul or Deron wants to come along with Dwight and we have to chose whether to amnesty Amar'e. I know it would suck to let Amar'e go after all that he's done for this franchise, but the truth is he'd be getting a $60 million going away gift (along with the ability to sign a new contract with someone else while still young).

Personally my plan for the 2012 off-season if we have ample cap space would be to sign Dwight Howard and then try to nab one of the many veteran PGs (Andre Miller, Jason Kidd, Chauncey Billups and Steve Nash) for the minimum and some older veteran guys.

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Since players take less to play with Stars why not

have both Paul and Howard sign for 11 mil and call it a day? What , Paul and Howard would not agree to sign for 11 Mil? So much for the theory that players will take less money. The Knicks need to build a team that can compete in the real NBA not a video game. Big three with no legitimate depth means zero chance of winning shit.

by Robert Curre on Nov 1, 2011 12:27 PM EDT reply actions

The flaw there is "Other players would be willing to take less to play with stars to help improve their chances at a ring."

Not “Two guys you can slot in as the best at their position in the league would be willing to take less to play with other stars to help improve their chances at a championship.”

Fish Fingers give me a break.

by GAx on Nov 1, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions

Why not wouldn't a team of Paul, Amare, Howard, and Carmelo be almost guaranteed to win

a championship, even if we filled out the rest of the Roster with me (I can shoot spot up 3’s) my brother (He’s 6’10 and can rebound) and Larry the Pretzel guy from 35th street. Why not take less money to be guaranteed a ring.

by Robert Curre on Nov 1, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions

Because those two guys who are arguably the best at their respective positions would have egos that wouldn't allow them to sign for that much less than the others who'd already gotten theirs.

I also didn’t say they wouldn’t be guaranteed a championship, just that the position you were mocking wasn’t really represented in what you were saying. Wait, “why not wouldn’t”? Ahhh you sly dog. You almost got me with a double negative.

Fish Fingers give me a break.

by GAx on Nov 1, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions

Since you put it that way

id rather go after dwight and get 1 of thoes guards rather than go after a Paul and fill in a bum at the center position.

by SLAUGHTERHOUSE on Nov 1, 2011 12:32 PM EDT reply actions

my point exactly.

PG is probably the easiest position to fill in the NBA and Center is the hardest. Also history shows big men win rings usually.

by hvino on Nov 1, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions

Scarcity increases value.

Keep it simple

SPEND ON BIGS

by StarksMiddleFinger on Nov 1, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions

This was meant to agree with you, not challenge you.

SPEND ON BIGS

by StarksMiddleFinger on Nov 1, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions

I agree about Howard

Amare has been a machine during his time in the league, but I doubt his future durability. Melo & Howard is a safer combo in the event Amare gets injured during any of the next few years.

And I agree, it is a far easier to fill in guards than it is with bigs. If they treat Billups right, I think he’d be open to re-signing after his contract ends. Wherever he goes it will be for a lot less, but he may be talked into staying rather than going to Miami, LA or Dallas for similar $$$ and role.

This year’s amnesty and future year’s MLE’s will be good opportunities to further fill depth in guards and role playing bigs.

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by the word on Nov 5, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions

If D'antoni remains coach I do see a potential Nash signing in a couple of years

The problem is Nash becomes a FA next year, the same year as Howard. I don’t think it will be possible to sign Howard’s monster FA contract and also sign Nash.

In the last CBA the MLE was only available for teams over the cap. I suspect the same will be true. Which means the Knicks could sign Howard as a FA in 2012. And then sign a Nash/Miller type of starting guard as a FA using the MLE… starting in 2013.

Sadly that puts the Knicks one year behind Miami in the build for the ring strategy!

by the word on Nov 5, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions