Knicks Will Have 2012 Cap Space, Where Should it Go?
Where will all the "the Knicks can't possibly get Chris Paul or Dwight Howard" people go when the 2012 NBA salary cap is set at $60 or 61 million? Marc Berman of the New York Post is reporting that number is entirely possible and maybe even likely, and that Knicks owner James Dolan is one of the key proponents of getting it done.
Right now the Knicks have just $44,154,703 in salary commitments for the 2012-13 season, and they owe that amount to three players - Amar'e Stoudemire, Carmelo Anthony and Renaldo Balkman. If the cap is set at either $60 or 61 million, the Knicks would already have enough salary cap space to offer a maximum salary contract to either Paul, Howard or Nets point guard Deron Williams, plus a little more left over.
If the Knicks choose to use the proposed amnesty provision on Balkman, they would clear another $1,675,000 in salary and have up to about $18.5 million to spend in the summer of 2012.
The question now becomes this: on whom will the Knicks spend all that money? To me, it comes down to either Chris Paul or Dwight Howard. Deron Williams is a terrific player and a top five point guard, but Paul and Howard are each clearly the best at their positions. (For those of you who would argue Derrick Rose over Chris Paul at the point guard position, I encourage you to read my thoughts on that here.)
My answer almost entirely depends on who will be coaching the Knicks in the 2012-13 season. If Mike D'Antoni is still around, you cannot possibly find a better fit than Chris Paul. The point guard is the most important position on the floor in a D'Antoni offense since it is primarily based off the pick-and-roll.
Paul and Amar'e Stoudemire would immediately form one of the most dominant pick-and-roll duos of all time. Paul is an expert at reading the defense and taking what is there out of the pick-and-roll, and in this Sebastian Pruiti post on NBAPlaybook, you can see just how good of a decision maker he is in those situations. (The part on Paul is toward the bottom)
Additionally, Stoudemire is one of the best finishers in the league off the pick-and-roll, especially off dives to the basket through the middle of the lane. He and Steve Nash ran this play to perfection when he was in Phoenix.
A quick look at his shot location chart shows that Stoudemire played a much more perimeter and mid-range based game last year. This is primarily because New York didn't have a proper pick-and-roll partner for him to work with for much of the season. He initially struggled to gain chemistry with Raymond Felton before finding a nice rhythm, and then the February trade necessitated changes to the offensive system to suit the strengths of Carmelo Anthony and Chauncey Billups.
There's no one better than Chris Paul at getting his teammates the ball exactly where they like to score, and that would make Stoudemire and Anthony even more dangerous scorers than they already are. Signing Paul would still leave a hole along the Knicks' front line and expose them to being beaten inside on the defensive end, but Mike D'Antoni would gladly make that tradeoff.
Alternatively, Paul would help shore up their perimeter defense as he is one of the best defensive point guards in the league. The Knicks struggle with dribble penetration by quicker point guards like Derrick Rose and Rajon Rondo, and signing Paul would help combat that.
The real defensive game changer though is Howard. There's a reason he is a three-time reigning Defensive Player of the Year: he's hands down the best defensive player in the NBA and it's not all that close.
He blocks over 2.0 shots per game and alters countless others. He scares guys out of shot attempts altogether. He turns close and late games into jump shooting contests because guys won't challenge him in the lane. It's arguablethat no one has made a bigger impact on the defensive side of the floor since Hakeem Olajuwon.
Howard also improved his offensive game by leaps and bounds last season. He raised his points per game average from 18.3 to 22.9, mostly by perfecting a jump hook over his right shoulder from the left block and adding a counter-spin toward the baseline.
Howard gets a lot of points because of his ferocious offensive rebounding as well, which is an area the Knicks are extremely lacking. Howard's rebounding and defensive prowess makes him an excellent fit next to Amar'e, who to put it kindly, is not a very good defender or rebounder.
Howard's tremendous inside presence also tends to get opposing teams into foul trouble quickly, which both depletes their options off the bench and leads to more free throws in bonus opportunities.
In a system that is not so much geared around the point guard as Mike D'Antoni's, Howard has a better chance to impact games on both ends than Paul does, especially because the Knicks' biggest weaknesses are Howard's biggest strengths. If the Knicks could land Howard, and then get either Chauncey Billups or Steve Nash to take a short-term, low-money deal to chase a ring, that might be the optimal scenario.
Obviously, there is the now-infamous CP3 toast from Carmelo Anthony's wedding to consider. It's quite possible that this thing is already set in motion and that Chris Paul will be a Knick no matter what just like many think that LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh landing in Miami was a done deal in 2008.
If the Knicks can pair Paul with a defensive-minded center on a low-salary deal to complement Anthony, Stoudemire and presumably, Iman Shumpert and Landry Fields, they'd have a really nice core to move forward with and could compete with the Miami Heat and Chicago Bulls for years.
Paul and Howard are two of the 10 best players in the league, and to add either of them to Stoudemire and Anthony would give the Knicks as much firepower at the top of the lineup as any team in the NBA, including the vaunted Miami Heat.
Either way, the 2012 cap number is a huge development for the Knicks and their future, and all Knicks fans should hope Berman's sources have it right.
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So let me get this straight if the Knicks have 18.5 million in cap space and the cap is set at 61 miilion
Then the Knicks should spend 17.3 million of that on one player. which would give the Knicks a roster of 5 players, and then fill out the rest of the roster with what? Eddie House and Eric Dampier types and you honestly think that the Knicks would be competing with anyone with a roster that look like that?
I know Dolan wants Paul, afterall think of what he could charge for tickets and think of all the headlines he would get in the post. But frankly, Dolan is not interested in winning a championship, he is interested in making money. The Knicks need to build a complete team and spending all of your cap money on one player, while what people want to do is not what the Knicks need to do.
I think the problem is our centerpieces.
Of Melo, STAT, Paul, and Howard, take any combo of 2 other than the one we have, fill out the team correctly with role players, and the Knicks are a top team in the East. However, I’m not sure STAT, Melo, and role players would get the job done. Not that it can’t, but it’s less likely. The best option might be to grab a third centerpiece and find some other way to fill out the roster due to what we have now.
+1. The heat were 2 wins away with 2.5 stars surrounded by garbage. The Knicks will have 3 legit stars that ...
1)Complement each other much better than their Heat counterparts
2)Might have less of a weakness at center if JJ develops into legit starter that Donnie thinks he can
3)potentially a stronger bench depending on progress of rookies and creative roster maneuvering
when you say JJ
do you mean Jeffries or Jordan?
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whew
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That's true but it's actually not what I meant.
What I’m saying is that we have no choice but to go for a third star due to the fact that I’m not sure STAT + Melo + Good Role Players = Championship. Paul + Howard + Good Role Players or Paul + STAT + Good Role Players or Howard + Melo + Good Role Players, etc. however, would probably give us a good shot at it.
We have STAT and Melo though, so Chris Paul or Dwight Howard is a necessity for us to have a title shot, IMO.
The Heat have two and three quarters stars
I think Bosh is better than a half star guy. We are hating too much on this guy. He showed up in the playoffs. Also, I disagree with the idea that our two stars are more complimentary than LeBron and Wade. Stat and Melo are both pretty pure wing players while LeBron can play anywhere and wade is a guard. If we do end up getting CP3 then perhaps we can pick up a reasonably priced, serviceable big from the amnesty pool. I think someone like Mehmet Okur would appeal to D’Antoni because of his outside shooting ability.
did you just call STAT a wing player?
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Mark Jackson backed his man down in the post more than Amare ever has.
So it kinda sorta makes sense.
Fish Fingers give me a break.
true
I think the Amar’e-is-a-small-forward criticism has some validity because he faces up like a wing and in the same places wings face up, but he does play like a big in the pick and roll and he is a strong paint presence.
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Lord Currence
How can you speak on behalf of the owner of the New york Knicks?
When J.Dolan says he wants C.Paul. Do you here him say this?
Are you telling me that he would take C.Paul over D.Williams?
Stop speaking on behalf of other people.
I would trade Amare to Orlando for D.Howard. Send Amare back to his homeland of Florida.
Then I would ship Hollywood D.Howard to L.A.Clippers for B.Griffin and any garbage that the Clippers could add to make up the difference in salaries.
Sign D.Williams if he opts out for FA.
Trade a future pick to Mmephis for O.J.Mayo as my SG.
Now we are in a position to grab D.Jordan to start at center as a RFA.
Just remeber this is GM Dizzy talking and not J.Dolan whom you speak on his behalf.
“GO NEW YORK GO”!
by Dziedzic on Nov 1, 2011 2:37 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This is not even my post and I am face palming dude
So you want D.Williams Blake Griffin and a bunch of Bad contracts from the clips, then you would trade for OJ Mayo and sign Deandre Jordan. I love the I would trade Dwight Howard for Blake Griffin move though, that is purely crazy.
Dude you do not have to work so hard to turn the Knicks into the NETS you could just root for the NETS and be done with it.
why didn't you call him L.Currence?
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diz thinks he is
playing NBA Live. Im going to just ignore the whole trading for a player to trade for another player thing and ask why are you so stuck on OJ Mayo?
by Slappinfaces on Nov 6, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Robert
I think Dzledzic is talking about where you said “I know Dolan wants Paul…” in your previos comment, not referring to the comment of the post. But yeah, I can’t agree with the moves he wants to make.
Like I said in my fanpost and some comments, I'd go with Dwight if we had the choice because big men are so rare, he's so dominant and it's pretty easy to find a veteran PG (especially in 2012)
I’d be more than happy to get any of the 3, but if you’re giving me a choice, I’d take Dwight 9 out of 10 times. Nash, Andre Miller, Chauncey and Jason Kidd will all be FAs and we’ll have Iman under contract, give me the big man.
an idea that has been proposed
that is ripe for debate is; would you trade STAT for Dwight Howard?
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apparently
it would make up the winningest team in history
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2g3nfxc
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yes, but would the Magic do that?
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see, I don't like this debate because it's 100% not happening
so basically it just turns into a chance to talk about how great Dwight is and how much better than Amar’e he is. Dwight has more impact that Amar’e, but I hate his game and I think he has the lowest bball IQ out of all the “superstars” so I like to avoid opportunities to talk about how wonderful he is.
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I guess my problem with all of this is I need to see what you guys mean by role players
That term has developed into a catch all for every player in the NBA that ESPN, NIKE, and the league office has not chosen to market big time. As a result what you guys call role players vary so differently in talent that the term is meaningless. Lamar Odom is a role player, so is Jared Jeffries the the difference in talent between Odom and Jeffries is greater than the difference in talent between Odom and Dirk. Likewise Tyson Chandler is a role player as is Earl Barron, but which one would you rather have on your team?
Now if you guys are saying that the Knicks can add a 3rd star and then have to fill out the roster with players of the talent level of Eddie House, Jared Jeffries, and Earl Barron, then I disagree that you can win a championship with that level of talent even with 3 superstars. People forget the Heat got to the finals for two reasons:
1. The eastern Conference is still full of weak flawed teams.
2. Udonis Haslem and Mike MIller are higher level role players in terms of ability when healthy and both showed up for enough minutes and enough games for the heat to get past the Bulls.
The heat also didn’t win the NBA Finals, because the Mavs were a deeper more complete team, even without basically 3 of their rotation players for the entire series. Think about it. Butler and Beaubois didn’t even dress for the series and Haywood was gone 7 minutes into game 2. The Mavs won without those 3 guys basically, and I do not get the feeling that any of you are talking about filling out our roster with players resembling anywhere near the talent level of a Caron Butler, a Beaubois, or even a Haywood.
What's killing me is if this was a normal off-season we'd have seen Summer League/pre-season games that would at least whet our appetites and give us a view, however murky the lens, of what we might be able to approximate.
Right now…we have like 20 bootleg games from last year that aren’t indicative of what this year’s team can do. The $64,000,000(adjusted for inflation) question is the caliber of role player we need to surround them with. Caron and Beaubois were luxuries and were basically out the whole season anyway. Dallas had a deep team because Cuban’s deep pockets actually put some deep thought into payroll this time. Depending on the next CBA, we may or may not be able to do the same good job of surrounding our SUPERSTARS with the right mix.
I don’t think we’re really one player away, but we have two more superstars than we’ve had for a decade and a solid mix of young cheap players. The moves we make this season and the next will make or break us. And I hope we don’t break again. Using 90% of our remaining cap space on another set of balky knees is a decision I’d rather have Donnie here to make, but oops.
Fish Fingers give me a break.
by GAx on Nov 2, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I have to see how we look next year
If the offense can be effectively ran through Carmelo with Amar’e as his trusty sidekick who sometimes plays better than him and Billups as the intelligent on-court director, then we have our foundation and I would like to just add people who fit well around them. I’d look for someone who can intelligently direct the offense and shoot at the one (or we could just keep Chauncey), someone who can shoot and defend twos for the two, and then a big, kind of scrubby center who at least plays smart will do.
The way I’m envisioning the team playing next season to be good enough for me to come to this conclusion would mean they probably made it to at least the ECF.
If ball movement’s a problem, if Amar’e has to isolate (I hate Amar’e’ isolating BTW) and shoot long jumpers a lot, if we sometimes lack offensive punch or look completely out-talented against the Heat, then I would like Chris Paul or Deron Williams. I haven’t quite decided who I prefer yet. I’d like to see whether Paul is as good as he looked against the Lakers (I would guess that he is) and I would like to see how good Deron is away from Jerry Sloan.
Personally, I think Paul’s the better talent between him and Deron, but Deron might be the better fit with Amar’e and Carmelo. Unlike Deron, Paul doesn’t really have a jump shot, it’s more of a set shot with a very slow release plus he’s tiny which means he’s somewhat useless off the ball. I would rather have the ball move between the PG, Carmelo, another intelligent wing, and hopefully Amar’e (unfortunately, Amar’e and passing are not a good mix) than have every play go through the point guard.
I don’t like Dwight Howard.
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Interesting points although you have one thing wrong
Carmelo is a wing player who can score and Amare is a big man who can score. Because Carmelo as a wing player has more natural opportunities including the fact he can get a defensive rebound and bring the ball up himself, the offense actually needs to run through the big man first and then back out to him if you wish to maximize both players. Think Kobe and Shaq for example. Jackson ran the offense through Shaq because Shaq needed someone to get him the ball, while Kobe always had the option of going to get it if he pleased. The Offense running through Shaq did not in anyway diminish Kobe’s shot attempts, in fact Kobe often got more shots and better percentage shots because of the disruption in the defense caused by the attention teams had to pay to Shaq down low. Now consider Amar’e and the pick and roll. Even when the ball doesn’t go to Amare in the PNR, just showing it often created open shots both here and PHX for his bros on the perimeter because they way to stop Amare when you run a pick and roll is to swarm him on the catch, that means you got to get mutliple guys in the paint and quick. That is why PHX when he was there and us last year were so good at shooting threes. The more consistently you run things through Amare the more things open up for Carmelo. You have to understand how the spread pick and roll offense works. Consider how Wilson Chandler’s scoring shot up being on the wing when the play was run for Amar’e. Chandler got alot more open shots and driving opportunities, than he had in years past. Now replace Chandler with Melo. If Chandler could put up the points he did, then Melo who is a far more talented offensive player would do even more damage. In fact run the offense through Amare and Carmelo may end up leading the league in scoring because of all the open shots, driving lanes and single coverage he will get on offense.
Lastly, you may hate Amare isolating, but D’Antoni doesn’t because he is very effective at it. Amar’e actually scored on a higher percentage of his Iso’s than Carmelo did last season. Also again Knicks win you have to remember D’Antoni’s offense, when the ball is pushed up and the PNR (which is the default first option in the offense) is not there, the Knicks by default set up in either the triangle offense or the Wooden motion offense depeding upon match ups and how the defense is set. Therefore you will see both Carmelo and Amare Iso, which D’antoni wants as long as they do not hold the ball.
Yeah, I imagine the Amar'e pnr could still be our first option
or at least be what we’re looking for many possessions. But I need to see Carmelo play differently for us than he did in Denver. I need to see him spot-up and run off of curls and play pick and roll, either as the handler or the roller. I need to see us run a motion or triangle around his post game (you’re right, I did see us run Wooden and triangle at the end of possessions if the pick and roll was there. I’m glad we have Carmelo to be that guy now instead of just Amar’e like it was in the first half of the season). I need to see him pass to an open cutter as soon as he’s doubled. I think if he plays like that he’ll be playing like a top 5, maybe even top 3 player in the league. No more Mr. One-on-One all the time.
Did Amar’e really put up good point per possession in isolation? I thought I saw somewhere that his numbers were not that good. He definitely turns the ball over too much when he isolates, but I think it’s possible his isolations look worse than they are because they’re always elbow jumpers which look like bad shots but I guess he’s pretty good at hitting them. He’s got some serious range on that J, I’m telling you. He shoots with mid-range efficiency almost out to the three point line and I’ve heard D’Antoni say that Amar’e is a good three point shooter and that the only reason he doesn’t take them a lot is because he has a more important role in the offense.
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Yes he actually did score well in his Iso's
and as for Carmelo playing differently that will depend on Carmelo and how much he actually buys in to the offense. For example if he does, what he will find is he will virtually never have to take a shot against a double team, and his number of open looks will actually increase.
I looked up the article I read
Amar’e isolates less than Carmelo and gets fewer points per possession, but his numbers weren’t that bad. They could probably be even better if he would just pass every now and then . . .
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actually, I don't think his numbers were that great
it’s 0.86 ppp, which I didn’t think was too bad, but it’s actually not that good. My eyes pretty much agree with this, although a lot of times he isolated as a bail-out shot
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You have to consider percentage of successful iso;s
You are correct that his numbers were .86ppp, however since all of his iso’s were 2’s that is a pretty high number. For example Joe Johnson 1.12ppp was not nearly as good because a large percentage of Johnson’s Iso’s led to launches from behind the arc. It is neither here nor there. Amare scores enough on his Iso’s and does so in a manner that does not bog down the offense. The reason D’Antoni has insisted on the 7 seconds or less on the shot clock Iso rule for Carmelo is he tends to dribble a hole in the floor when he Iso’s. It is one thing to Iso at the end of the shot clock, which D’Antoni prefers, Carmelo should Iso at that point he is the best one on one player on the team. Red used to let Monroe Iso too at the end of the shot clock because of his one on one prowess, but prior to that he insisted that Monroe play within his motion offense. That keeps the offense flowing and that is what Carmelo will need to do in this offense.
Eh, I am just glad I don't have to watch Amar'e isolate much anymore
I’ll leave it at that
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i wouild sign
trade for S Nash if mike D is here and foucs on role players i e james posey types Melo and ;Armare can score with anyone i wouild keep douglas fiealds iman i wouild look at guys like m Williams of Atl athlic guys that can make your bench work Grant Hill off the bench guys that can run like j-rich of Ori i think u need 8-9 guys that can play at a high level
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Guys knicks are not going to have 2012 "cap space" for the same reason that...
1)Hitler failed to heed the experiences of Napoleon
2)Herman Cain failing to heed the experiences of Howard Dean
3) Fukushima Nuclear Plant failing to heed the experience of the Chernobyl incident.
The NBAPA is failing to heed the experiences of the NHLPA of 2004.
Sadly, people never learn from history. Thus are doomed to repeat it.

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