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What of the amnesty clause?

One of the assumed components of the next CBA (release date: TBA) is an amnesty clause. According to Marc Stein, said amnesty clause could be applicable in either of the next two seasons and could provide financial relief even for teams under the salary cap. It's a chance for owners to expunge a burdensome long-term contract. So, naturally, our sights turn to the Knicks' long-term payroll. Here is a list of Knicks who are guaranteed money in 2012-2013:

Amar'e Stoudemire

Carmelo Anthony

2006 NIT Most Valuable Player 2011 Pan American Games Gold Medalist Dreadlock Champion Number 32 His Humptiness Sir Renaldo Balkman

Who do you cut? It's a tough choice. Stoudemire and Anthony are All-Stars, elite scorers, and major franchise cornerstones. Balkman, as you can see, is the most illustrious of the three. Despite that fact, and despite Exhibit A-- Oh! Of course! I forgot to present Exhibit A. Here's Exhibit A.

Exhibit A:


So, anyway, despite his being the most decorated Knick and despite the above masterpiece, Balkman is widely considered to be the Knicks' most logical choice for amnesty clause expulsion. Baffling. Seriously, though, Jon of The Knicks FanBlog makes a legitimate case, harrowing as it may be, for saving that amnesty move as long as possible (something that's already being discussed here), because you never know what might happen to one of the other guys on that list [knocks violently on every wooden surface and tree in a one-mile radius]. It's paranoid, sure, but holding off on the amnesty stuff would prepare the Knicks for the very worst [re-knocks on everything, just to be sure] and also keep Humpty around for another year. Win-win!

While we're on the topic, Tommy Beer compiled a list of big men who MIGHT become available if that amnesty clause goes into effect. Might. It's certainly worth a look. Thoughts, children?

P.S.: The black-and-white thing is a network-wide middle finger to the NBA lockout and the games we're missing starting tonight. It'll be gone soon.

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I agree w the Knicks FanBlog.

Using the amnesty on Balkman this year would be a huge mistake. If using it next summer helps sign somebody, then sure go for it… but having the amnesty clause “in the back pocket” would be a great tool to help us out of horrible situation like someone getting injured (knock on wood) or maybe gain more flexibility later in the new CBA.

by hvino on Nov 1, 2011 3:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Amnesty Carmelo

and use the money to sign midgets!

by Robert Curre on Nov 1, 2011 3:36 PM EDT reply actions  

If you're talking about slam-dunking midgets

then I’m with you 100%.

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by Russ on Nov 1, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, like I said back in June... the amnesty clause is huge for us, not so much for using it, but because we'll be an attractive and possible destination for many of the players being amnestied.

I’m thinking if we add one of Haywood, Biedrins, Andersen, Okur, or Kaman (who I doubt would be amnestied personally) we’d be in great shape. Those guys are looked as negatives now because of their contracts, but remove the contract from the player and they’re all solid and all (with the exception to Birdman) would start on this team and have a huge impact (and Birdman would still have a huge impact as the perfect bench big guy).

That’s not even mentioning all the PGs and wings that’ll get waived. Personally I’d love to take a risk on Roy, although I think he’ll have better suitors who offer more money and a bigger opportunity. Then there’s the two older score first PGs: Gilbert Arenas and Baron Davis who would both be good additions as the 6th man. Or Chauncey’s buddy Rip Hamilton. The shooters: Rashard Lewis and possibly Mike Miller.

Whenever this lockout is done (my guess, by the end of this weekend crossing fingers) we’re gonna see an absolutely insane mini-offseason that is full of excitement.

by hvino on Nov 1, 2011 3:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Interesting

Most of the guys on your list and candidates for being amnestied are either washed up, or guys who were never that good to begin with but because their agents had pictures of the owner fucking a pony they were grossly overpaid. In Arenas’ case the late Abe Pollin was caught in a 3some with a pony and a cross-eyed midget!

by Robert Curre on Nov 1, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stealing Russ's thunder

I just gotta ask: could the midget dunk?

And what does this say about our former former GM? Was he genuinely inept, or was he just indiscreet in his actions around livestock and/or tiny persons?

Actually, let me rephrase that: we know he was genuinely inept, but was he also indiscreet in his actions around livestock and/or tiny persons?

"Hey, I'm a reasonable guy. But I've just experienced some very unreasonable things." --Jack Burton (Big Trouble in Little China) expressing in 1986 what every Knicks fan would feel twenty years later.

by LaConte on Nov 1, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I take offense sir to you referring to Anucha Brown Sanders as Livestock!

OH you mean Donnie… Well…. He did spend all that time in Indiana.

by Robert Curre on Nov 2, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doff of the hat to you

That Sanders line was gold.

On Donnie: as far as I’m concerned he’s earned the right to do whatever he wants to whomever (or whatever) he likes. Of course, his replacement hip (or his wife) might have other ideas on the matter.

"Hey, I'm a reasonable guy. But I've just experienced some very unreasonable things." --Jack Burton (Big Trouble in Little China) expressing in 1986 what every Knicks fan would feel twenty years later.

by LaConte on Nov 2, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hold on why is the blog gray?

Is this because the lockout? Because that’s either irony or symbolism right here.

Realist.

by DCyanks21 on Nov 1, 2011 4:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe I'm slow, but

how does are blog being colorless effect the NBA lockout?

Is it a symbol of something? Please explain where this idea came from in greater detail.

SPEND ON BIGS

by StarksMiddleFinger on Nov 1, 2011 4:41 PM EDT reply actions  

The amnesty clause is definitely stirring up a great deal of controversy! However, this may be the perfect time for the amnesty clause to be spoken about since the tragedy that is known as the lockout is still going strong. The lockout could definitely use some amnesty.

by Jean Lebron on Nov 1, 2011 9:33 PM EDT reply actions  

out of the C's listed i didnt see Greg Oden

im sure Portland would use this clause on him instead of Marcus Camby for the simple fact they cant keep him healthy. i say “they” because i think that organization has a bad training staff. you cant blame someone else for Odens injuries but the healing process has just as much to do with it and i feel Portlands staff was/ are inept in that field.

by blackhova on Nov 1, 2011 11:54 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

if Portland is using it on anybody, it's going to be Roy

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by Taylor Made on Nov 2, 2011 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

from that list

the only ones I’d even consider are Memo and Okafor.

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by Taylor Made on Nov 2, 2011 9:20 AM EDT reply actions  

You wouldn't pick up Roy for, oh say, the MLE?

I mean dude is already getting PAID. I don’t think he’d get greedy. Or is even in a position to.

Fish Fingers give me a break.

by GAx on Nov 2, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Roy wasn't on that list

"Rooting for the Yankees is like rooting for Steve Jobs to win the lotto." - Chris Rock

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by Taylor Made on Nov 2, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah my bad. I was assuming you meant another list.

ps – Memo is shot :P

Fish Fingers give me a break.

by GAx on Nov 2, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would you amnesty Carmelo

in order to sign Chris Paul or Deron Williams?

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Nov 2, 2011 9:50 AM EDT reply actions  

To be honest

I’d do it over Amar’e, just because I like Amar’e alot better. But I realize what a stupid basketball decision that is

by WSD on Nov 2, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

in a NY fucking second

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Nov 2, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

are you guys serious?

First of all, we’re not amnestying Amar’e or Carmelo. Those two more or less are the Knicks right now.

Second of all, if we’re amnestying either of the two, it’s Amar’e, and only if his knee blows up and even then you probably don’t do it because his contract is so huge.

Third of all, I personally think Carmelo is a better player than either of them, and at best those two are marginally better. There is no way in hell that any GM or owner or whatever would be stupid enough to cut one of the best ,most marketable players in the league to possibly sign a point guard.

I could probably go on for days about this, but the answer is absolutely not.

Anxiously awaiting the day my username will be appropriate

by knickswin on Nov 2, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't either

But I’d entertain the thought, depending on Amare’s health

by WSD on Nov 2, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

amnestying Amar'e or amnestying Carmelo?

I would never, ever amnesty Carmelo unless his leg were to get amputated or something like that. Amar’e I almost definitely wouldn’t unless thirty hits him really hard (we’re talking Tracey McGrady level decline here) or he has a serious knee injury. Even then, his contract is huge which means that Dolan would probably be reluctant to both pay him to not be on the team and pay another guy unless Amar’e literally couldn’t play anymore.

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by knickswin on Nov 2, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Geeesh you really love some melo there

does La La know about you two? LOL. But do not worry I doubt either of them is getting cut loose. Dolan would have to cut ticket prices if he did that. And remember it’s all about the Benjamins baby!

by Robert Curre on Nov 2, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

he is my favorite player and I am definitely very bullish on him

but really, amnestying Carmelo is absolutely laughable. Are the Bulls going to amnesty Derrick Rose? The Thunder, Durant? The Mavs, Dirk? Come on now. The idea of it is absurd.

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by knickswin on Nov 2, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

not to be rude, fuhry

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by knickswin on Nov 2, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

we're talking about a better player

Williams or CP3 are better players. You can find chuckers to score 20+pts a game in Pringles offense, but finding that PG and both of which are better then Nash ever was would be perfection.

Amare, Melo..who cares. Either one for CP3 or Williams.

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by Rorschach44 on Nov 2, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I disagree with everything you said

first of all, I would say that offensively Steve Nash, at least Steve Nash from a few years ago (he’s started to slow down a bit) is the best of the three. I would say he and Paul are about equal when it comes to craftiness at scoring in the paint with Paul being somewhat better at getting in the paint, but then Nash is clearly better than them both at shooting and running the pick and roll. Steve Nash ain’t no bum. Neither Paul nor Deron have ever had a performance like Nash in 2005 against the Mavs and he’s had some other gems as well.

I don’t think I’m even going to start with the Carmelo comment. If you think any bum can do what he does, then I don’t even know where to begin.

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by knickswin on Nov 2, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree with everything you just said.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Nov 2, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly, I could probably make a good argument that Carmelo's the better, more valuable player anyway

Deron Williams is not THAT talented. He’s obviously really talented, but he’s kind of like a pre-injury Brandon Roy level talented which makes him a really solid, fringe top 10 player rather than a supernova. He’s kind of sort of slow at least compared to the Derrick Rose’s and Russel Westbrook’s and maybe CP3 if he is as quick as he was before the knee injury. He’s a really good shooter, but not an incredible, Nash-type shooter. He doesn’t put the pressure on other teams’ defenses like Nash, Paul, and Rose do (some of that’s cuz he plays in the Sloan system, but some of it is his lack of explosion which makes him have to work hard to get in the lane). Sometimes he’s a little sloppy with his ball handling and passing.

Now, Chris Paul is a whole other thing. I love the guy; I think he has some of the best bball IQ in the game, and he has every possible skill you would want out of a point guard when it comes to scoring and passing (although, I wish he got some more elevation on that jumper, there’s a reason he doesn’t take a ton of threes). But I don’t agree with ESPN and their whole he’s-the-best-PG-since-Magic spiel. Maybe he is, but part of his excellent “advanced stat” number reflect his playing style within the Hornets offense rather than his talent. He doesn’t get a lot of turnovers partially because he doesn’t take a lot of risky passes the way Nash and to a lesser extent Deron do. He’s extremely ball dominant too which allows him to fill the stat sheet up. His teammates are somewhat underrated as well. David West gets doubled in the post a lot which usually gives Paul an open look or an easy swing pass to make once West passes out of it. Most of the players on the Hornets are high IQ players who shoot well (except Ariza).

I think Paul’s a great player, but I don’t think he’s a god. Top 10 player in the league no doubt, but I wouldn’t be angry if someone were to put him out of the top 5 or behind Derrick Rose.

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by knickswin on Nov 2, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I AM ABOUT TO BLOW UP AT YOU CHRIS PAUL BEHIND DERRICK ROSE WHAT IS GOING ON THIS IS SOME APPLESAUCE RIGHT HERE

…..

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Yeah but seriously dude. I’m not really sure how Derrick Rose got an MVP before Chris Paul.

Fish Fingers give me a break.

by GAx on Nov 2, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I personally think Chris Paul is the better player and I prefer his style

but he’s not better by a landslide, and I could see the argument for Derrick Rose. Chris Paul isn’t the threat to get in the paint and finish that Rose is. Paul is much, much better at running an offense, but he can’t put the pressure on a defense the way Rose can. I don’t know if I like the idea of a point guard being the best scorer on my team, but that’s kind of a different issue. As individual talents they’re not that far off and I think it’s kind of disrespectful of ESPN to always be like “Rose is good, but Chris Paul will always be the best” even though Rose was a lot more successful this year than Paul was.

Now, I’m starting to remember the foolish decisions Rose made every time a double got thrown his way, so maybe it isn’t that close. It’s like, Jesus dude, just back up and start all over. Don’t try to pass it over Lebron’s head . . .

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by knickswin on Nov 2, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I don't think he's as good a PG by any means. Yet. Who knows.

I’m just saying. You just gave all the reasons why Rose would be a better SG and could take CP one-on-one. Yeah, he probably could, but I’d rather have Chris Paul as my floor general than Derrick Rose. In another 3-4 years? Maybe a different story simply because of how Paul’s body holds up.

Fish Fingers give me a break.

by GAx on Nov 3, 2011 3:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

there's also a very important difference in coaching and roles for the two

Chris Paul is something of a system player which him helps rack up assists and get high efficiency looks. It’s easier to not get many turnovers when you play a ton of pick and pop and you usually are making rather safe passes to good shooters. There is probably about one other player in the league who has the skill and decision making to be to run that system like Paul does (Nash), but I do think that Paul’s numbers inflate his worth. The whole statistically-he’s-might-be-the-best-pg-ever stuff gets on my nerves because if he were really that great maybe he would have won more than one playoff series in his entire career.

Rose on the other hand plays in a much less structured offense that is completely predicated on his dribble penetration. I think he is a point guard in the sense that he is very good at pacing the game and putting pressure on the defense, even if he is not a supreme play maker.

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by knickswin on Nov 3, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

The role of a point guard is to run an offense and make plays for teammates

Rose is only a PG because of his height and because he cannot play off the ball. If Rose was the same height as Jordan or Kobe he would be a shooting guard. Being short and dribbling alot does not make Rose anymore of a point guard, than Being Tall and dribbling alot makes Lebron a point guard. Point guards run offenses.

by Robert Curre on Nov 3, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

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