A bunch of Knicks will become free agents soon.
by Seth on Nov 27, 2011 5:43 PM EST
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PrintIf the new CBA proposal goes through without a snag, the free agency period will begin December 9th, the same day training camps open. As we've discussed before, that free agent pool will include a number of last year's Knicks, namely:
Derrick Brown (restricted)
Without those guys, ShamSports has the Knicks owing about $60 million to nine guys this coming season, plus Iman Shumpert makes ten. They'll likely be at or over the salary cap, though not in the land of the luxury tax. This being the case, one wouldn't expect New York to start handing out large, long-term contracts (and we're already being beaten over the head with the big reason why not). Assuming that the likes of Nene and Samuel Dalembert and DeAndre Jordan are out of the question (feel free to assume otherwise), it'll just be a matter of filling in the cracks. Keep in mind that Josh Harrellson and Jerome Jordan are also strong candidates for those open spots.
Y'all know I want Extra E back, particularly given his expressed willingness to accept a small, short contract. After that, I don't feel too strongly about any of these guys, (though I've come to realize that I grew quite attached to Anthony Carter by the end of the Celtics series) and would be amenable to looking outward to flesh out the roster. Here's a handy-ass list of other free agents. What say you? Am I wrong to say that larger, longer-term deals ought to be out of the question? If not, then who from last year's team would you like to hang onto? Who else intrigues you? Might I interest you in Jonathan Bender?
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As long as we sign Extra E from that list im good.
As for other FA if we can get Grant Hill and MIcheal Redd on 1 yr contracts I’d be happy
Go Cowboyz!!!!!!
Dez is gonna beast this year!!
Melooooooo!!!!
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i second this
however, i am scared of michael redd. and i absolutely need deandre jordan on this team. he was in my dream last night. being cool and smart.
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Definitely want Extra E back
And I thought we had already retained or picked up Derrick Brown before the lockout?
Anywho… Grant Hill would be lovely, as would a center, though I don’t see us getting any better than Nazr Mohammed or Kwame Brown. I wouldn’t mind seeing Anthony Carter resigned and maybe some She-Will or Jeffries.
Brown's due a qualifying offer, I believe,
so the time to retain him hasn’t come yet. I could be wrong.
I believe you're right
He was listed as an RFA in Hahn’s piece, and I’ve also seen it elsewhere
Extra E and Derrick Brown are the guys I want to keep .
I felt Brown should of gotten more minutes. Thought he was very athletic.
Realist.
Extra E wormed his way into my heart and became my undisputed favorite Knick after we traded all our internal organs to Denver in the Melo trade.
Depending on how our big man search goes, I might possibly keep Sheldon Williams OR Jared Jeffries, but certainly not both. And it have to be Mega-cheap.
Also, Seth! I thought we were cool? You fooled me into clicking on a Berman article. I swore I would never contribute to his hit total again. Sigh…
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by StarksMiddleFinger on Nov 27, 2011 6:38 PM EST reply actions
Extra E should definitely be brought back. It would be great if we could sign Grant Hill and also give Harrelson or Jordan a shot at a backup center position.
We definitely need a big man though, or Amar’e isn’t going to make it to next season. I’d like to maybe pickup Nazr or Kwame for cheap, as we could use a big body to eat up some minutes.
Billups Douglas Carmelo Amar’e Turiaf can be the starters.
Shumpert, Fields, Carter, Shawne, Hill, Jordan/Harrelson, Nazr/Kwame can make up the bench.
And those last 3 spots can be taken up by Brown, She-Will, and whoever loses the Jordan/Harrelson battle.
Looks like a solid team to me.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
I'd take Nazr over Kwame. I miss him anyhow.
SPEND ON BIGS
by StarksMiddleFinger on Nov 27, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
Same, he could definitely come cheap.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Nazr is not a free agent. The Thunder picked up his option right before the lockout
Although he will be in 2012, if we still have center concerns.
by Robert Curre on Nov 28, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
hey be quiet
we’re supposed to get pissed at the knicks for not signing Nazr. Don’t bring reality in here.
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by Rorschach44 on Nov 28, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
I've never been a Kwame fan in the past
But I think he’s shown he is consistent with his limited skills; just don’t ask him to do anything more than be a big body, play defense and (at least try) to rebound.
I think Kwame is the one absolute have to get this offseason, considering all the Knicks will be offering will be 1yr contracts.
I think I’ll pass on Bender, even if he suddenly became healthy, I doubt he’s ever learned how to play the NBA game.
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"That ought to stop your bitchin"
"And, please remember, ignorance is not a defense"
What is a Kwame fan?
He’s a big body who can guard other big bodies and rebound. Why do you or anyone else have to be a fan. We need a big body with a pulse, he has a big body and a pulse.
by Robert Curre on Nov 29, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd be fine with Kwame after the last season
We have plenty enuff scoring to go round and his cherry picks would be a plus. I can’t believe this guys been in the league 10 years tho. If he don’t get it this season and match how he finished last season, we’ll be pretty sad having gotten him. I don’t think kurt thomas or Naz offer much better either tho. I love Ronnie’s energy but have never trusted his conditioning. Other than blocked shots I don’t trust his ability to defend the paint or collect rebounds on a consistant basis. Jerome Jordan can score, but can he defend the paint and play close to the basket and be effective. He’s playing well in Krka but 17 pts and rebounds is nice til you see Vukevic tuned him up for 21 pts and 20 rebounds. He also has supposedly said if the Knicks don’t take him this year he wants out (froma Marc gack Berman report yesterday)
Jerome Jordan is a Project. and may never pan out to be a NBA quality player.
by Robert Curre on Nov 29, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Apparently his agent is huffing and puffing that he wants Jerome traded if we don't invite him to training camp.
I hope he doesn’t feel entitled to more than a camp invite if he doesn’t pan out.
Fish Fingers give me a break.
right?
dude is a 2nd round pick…
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
right i forgot about that
wait I see it now Patrick Ewing is Jamaican, Jerome Jordan is Jamaican so… Then I wake up and realize that all Mr. Jordan has in common with Mr. Ewing is that both a really tall guys who were both born in Jamaica!
by Robert Curre on Nov 29, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
people
the sleeper move is to make a run at Greg Oden, and fill in the roster with michael redd keep shawn williams. we will be fine dont worry
hmmm
think he’d be willing to work on a month-to-month prorated basis? if so, I’m all for it!
by sledgeheimer on Nov 27, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
Redd and Oden's knees at this point
Are older than the Knicks’ roster put together
You have that backwards
Their knees are younger than comically young person/object
Stainer of mountaintops.
by Chairman Meow on Nov 27, 2011 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
How are their knees younger?
Between the two of them I’m pretty sure they’ve had 3-4 microfracture surgeries
Greg Oden is a restricted free agent and since his qualifying offer is 8.8 mil that means
the bidding for him starts at 8.9 mil and we just don’t have that kind of cheese.
by Robert Curre on Nov 28, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Uh Oh, we've got some bad news, boys.
These amnestied players apparently do not become free agents…
This waters down my dreams a bit.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/sfl-miami-heat-nba-lockout-s112711,0,4202541.story
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by StarksMiddleFinger on Nov 27, 2011 7:00 PM EST reply actions
Great find smf!
Interesting I wonder which teams are under the salary cap I gotta check…
by ap3604 on Nov 27, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder, would the Knicks have been under the salary cap to bid on these amnesty releases if they hadn't done the Melo trade?
If so that would suck versus:
- waiting on trade
- keeping our assets
- getting the amnesty releases
- and simply signing Melo in free agency…
by ap3604 on Nov 27, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
I'm still not even sure if the salary cap for this upcoming season has been set, or only guessed at by media.
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by StarksMiddleFinger on Nov 27, 2011 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
It has been set but will not be ratified until the New CBA is official
the cap has been set at 58 million.
by Robert Curre on Nov 28, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Good point.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
yes the Knicks would have been 21 million under the cap
However I think Carmelo is better than any of the players on the amnesty list. Guys like Arenas and Rashard Lewis are high quality roster filler at this point. Still productive players when healthy and used correctly (You hear me Stan Van Gundy!) but not worth the superstar premiums they were getting paid.
by Robert Curre on Nov 28, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
as donnie always said
you get under the cap and you have options to do things.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
I can't believe I'm saying this
but we need to bring Sheldon Williams back. Just as a big body.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Nov 27, 2011 7:01 PM EST reply actions
Nah dudebroguy
We got Jorts. He’s all over that “big body” thing
but can he play?
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
he could be plenty worse
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Nov 27, 2011 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
if he can't we have the rights to Jerome Jordan
Muhammed Wilkerson is a beast
thats not exactly comforting
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Nov 27, 2011 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
I know but it's all the knicks have for now
Muhammed Wilkerson is a beast
right...
which is why we, sadly, need sheldon williams
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Nov 27, 2011 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
If we could transplant She-will's brain into JerJor's body
That would be a good solution at the 5. Is that allowed under the new CBA?
Get The Frickin' Rebound
Derrick Brown would be a nice 4 off the bench
He and Extra E could each switch back and forth between the SF and PF
Granted we have what we have, but my eyes are sore from seeing undersized guys trying to play PF and C
I don’t trust Ronnie hang tuff over the course of the season, nor do I want to ever see Extra E trying to guard Dwight Howard. Sorry to everyone, but i’m not invested in anyone on the bench except TD, Jorts (for now – lets see him play before annointing him are next big thing at center), Iman and Landry or whomever among them gets left out of the starting lineup. I really like Chauncey too, but look forward to a more permanent solution is found (this is not a request for CP3 by the way, but I wouldn’t complain either).
Shawne Williams is 6'9", 230 lb
So he can legitimately play PF. His size is pretty comparable to Rashard Lewis, and actually he could play a similar role as a stretch 4. Extra E is also a decent defender and rebounder, so while I agree about watching him or Derrick play Dwight Howard, both can play PF.
He couldnt play there last year
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by Rorschach44 on Nov 28, 2011 1:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think Jorts is undersized at the 5
He’s deficient in reach and wingspan to most 5’s in the league, even the 6’9" ones.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
hes 6'10.75" i think in sneakers
im not opposed to him wearing league approved Platform Shoes and Spongebob Muscle Arms (for length). Problem solved??
by blackhova on Nov 28, 2011 11:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
According to draftexpress
He’s 6’9.5" in shoes with a sub-7 foot wingspan and a standing reach of only 8’8.5"… most guys you see playing center at all (even David Lee) have a 9 foot standing reach or close to it. He weighs 280, so he’s not skinny, which is important, but he’s basically Blake Griffin-sized. That’s why I think if Jorts has an NBA future it’s as a power forward with an outside shot (he still has to develop the outside shot, but I think he can if he can stay on the floor with D and rebounding).
That is if those measurments are correct. They may not be.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
I have no idea why people are so excited about Harrellson
he’s not even going to play
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alright, it's a bet
but scrub minutes don’t count
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At P & T
Scrub minutes always count.
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by fuhry on Nov 28, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i was getting really worked up about this
and was going to write a diatribe on why they shouldn’t count, and then I realized this wasn’t a real bet, and I wouldn’t actually owe you money
but I don’t expect ANYTHING out of him
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umm right now you have Turiaf who is always injured and what at center?
Harrellson will play and will play alot. Unless you are gonna have Amare play Center and play 48 minutes a game
by Robert Curre on Nov 28, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
Shelden
Enormous noggin. Wide body. Dino arms. Mediocre production. I like She-will, and She-will can rebound as long as there’s no one with longer arms and higher shoulders around. But I’m thinking Nazr or Kwame would be better and even Jorts might be better.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
shelden williams actually has very long arms
7’4.25 which is ELITE. Longer than Amar’e, longer than Bosh, only a little bit shorter than Durant. the problem is he’s not that tall and his arms are situated low on his body giving him a ridiculously short standing reach relative to his arms and body of only 8’8
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Since when does having long arms mean ELITE?
Shawn Bradley had some of the longest arms in NBA history and he flat out sucked! Kevin Willis had some of the shortest arms in league history for a 7 footer and he was a straight up baller. Combine stats don’t mean much in football and the mean even less in the NBA!
by Robert Curre on Nov 29, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
True enough
If you can’t move those long arms quickly and accurately, and you don’t know how to positively affect a basketball game, then those long arms won’t mean anything.
It’s especially humorous when people think that long arms = good defender. That’s a laugh.
I do think that reach can make a difference for a big man when it comes to rebounding. I think a player with a good instinct for rebounds can be an elite rebound if he has elite length. I think Shelden would get a couple more rebounds with a little more reach.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
It's just a tool that players that have it can potentially use to give them an edge from similar players. Wingspan is the new vertical measurement.
Just because you have it doesn’t mean you’ll have the other skills needed to push that on up over the top. Right Gerald Green?
Fish Fingers give me a break.
If Shelden learned how to use his prodigious ass the was Wes Unseld and Moses malone
used to he would lead the league in rebounding. I’ll take a guy with a big ass and the courage to use it over a skinny guy with long arms anyday of the week when it comes to rebounding. Wes and Moses were ridiculous rebounders those guys didn’t even jump for rebounds. Wes would back that thang up so well that he could let the ball hit the floor and pick his rebounds up off the floor.
by Robert Curre on Nov 29, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
He didn't call him elite
He said the length of his wingspan is elite
thank you sir
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Shelden is not that Big
If we can get Kwame or Tony Battie they are bigger bodies!
by Robert Curre on Nov 28, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
No, not El Busto, noooo!!!!
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Franchise Tag: Enabling Incompetent Owners to remain imcompetent"
"Contenders do; pretenders give excuses why they did not"
"Yes everybody does have an opinion; but that does not make your opinion any less wrong"
"That ought to stop your bitchin"
"And, please remember, ignorance is not a defense"
bring back poop and dbo
the rest can piss off
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I think we should bring back shelden williams too just in case Ronny Turiaf gets injured
John B is amazing
I’d rather have Jeffries than She-Will
Stainer of mountaintops.
by Chairman Meow on Nov 27, 2011 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
Who plays center when Ronny gets hurt during the year and Amare has to take a rest in the game?
by ap3604 on Nov 27, 2011 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe Harrelson or Jerome Jordan(if he's here)
Muhammed Wilkerson is a beast
Or sign Nazr.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
I like Nazr but I think he is a bit too old maybe Kwame Brown instaed
Muhammed Wilkerson is a beast
Either are fine by me.
We do need a big body to eat up minutes though.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
we need a big body for sure unless we want A'mare's knees to implode
Muhammed Wilkerson is a beast
just in case Ronny gets hurt?
that’s as definite as the sun coming up tomorrow
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Exactly.
We need some big men for sure.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
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nah
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by Rorschach44 on Nov 27, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
dah
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by Rorschach44 on Nov 27, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
Does anyone else want to keep Jeffries?
I think he’s useful
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yes
i like JJ if used right.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
JJ has a lot of value as the
7th or 8th guy off the bench.
the problem is when injuries (or just a lack of good players) forces him to take on a larger role.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
7th or 8th??!
wow, maybe i was watching different games.
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maybe thats a bit high
i just mean about 10 min a night.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
he can pass at the high post
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well, don't pass to him and expect him to put the ball in the basket unless he is wide open under the hoop
he’s allowed to touch the ball on offense because he’s a good passer from certain spots
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And even then...
Really, don’t pass to him ever and expect him to put the ball in the basket.
Therefore... Dump him.
When you have a guy that can’t make an open shot anywhere on the court, it screws up the entire offense. Defenders know he’s not a threat and they start double-teaming. Then no one can get a decent shot off.
If Jeffries were an All-NBA defender and rebounder, his ineptitude on offense would be forgivable. But he’s not. He’s mediocre at defense, bad at rebounding, and incompetent at everything else. He might be a nice guy, but the dude can’t play basketball.
I think you're underrating him
from what I saw, he was a good defender for us. Great help/team defender and pretty good post defender. He also defended Rondo a lot better than TD did
I mean, dude has a case for being our second best player in the playoffs. what that says about the Knicks is pathetic, but he really did play well. He played excellent defense, rebounded, and made his lay ups.
I think a high IQ, “little things” guy is pretty good to have around, especially considering Amar’e is the opposite of a “little things” guy
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I agree
I think JJ has a ton of value.
The real issue has been, that he has been used too much in his time here. As a player getting Major min, he is not up to par for aplayoff team.
But he is a guy that doesnt bitch about playing time, will come in and play any position as hard as he can, is a smart player who understands how to play team defense.
As long as he is not in the top 7 of MPG on the team, he is a valuable piece to have.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
"Keep"
I think Jeffries would make a fine ball-boy. Or maybe he can pass out sandwiches on bus trips. But that guy can’t play basketball and he should never be on the court in a Knicks uniform.
i am always so shocked when people say this
i mean, i know he is not a star at all, but dont you see the value he can bring to a team? Do you want all Melo and Stats at every position?
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
Two years ago I was impressed with Jeffries' play
But last year he didn’t contribute in the same way. Granted it was a new team, and he was rusty, but I didn’t find his defense impressive in any form, he doesn’t rebound, and other than two games in the playoffs, he was a liability on the offensive end.
Really, that makes him a guy who sometimes tips rebounds back out, makes decent passes from the high post, and does an average job on players much shorter than him. Not bad things to have, but we really don’t have that many roster spots, so I’d rather use them on other guys
Just Not Impressive
Do I want all Melo and Stats at every position? No! That team would have huge holes: defense, rebounding, no point guard…
What I want is a well-rounded team. Melo and Stat are about as much offensive force as a team could need. What the Knicks need instead of Jeffries is a good defense&rebounding center. And, as a professional basketball player, he should be able to hit a shot when open within 5’ of the basket.
Jeffries is not a good defender or rebounder. The last time he averaged 5 rebounds a game was ‘03-’04. For his career, he’s averaging 9.13 rebounds per 48 minutes. That’s not even better than many of his teammates (Turiaf: 10.25, Sheldon Williams: 13.12, Balkman: 12.16; Stoudemire: 10.40), and the Knicks are a terrible rebounding team.
He has distinguished himself as a Knick by being not incompetent on defense, but he is not an outstanding defender. No one would put him on a list of the league’s best defenders based on his performance last year.
And he has proven to be utterly incompetent on offense over and over and over again.
So we’re talking about a weak rebounder with no offensive skills whatsoever who is mediocre on defense.
That’s not a guy who should be seeing playing time on the NYKnicks this season.
no doubt they need a good defensive & rebounding center
100% top priority.
But that doesnt mean you dont need a tall guy who understands the defense that can be one of your last guys off the bench.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
I really think he is a good defender though
he is not a chuck hayes type who is an elite post defender, but he is a great team defender. I honestly think if he were under thibodeau or someone like that he could fill in the KG/Noah role on defense pretty well. one of the guys on this site (Osborne?) made a video highlighting what jared does on defense, and if you watch some of the playoff games while paying special attention to Jeffries, you will see that he is extremely active and important.
He also isn’t stupid and actually kept his wits about him during the playoffs which is more than you can say for Landry, TD, and Shawne who were all spooked.
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Watching TD and Landry shoot 3's
Was like if you threw me in that situation. You could practically see their arms and legs shaking with nervousness
TD hit that ice money one in game one though
TD was not ready to be starting at point guard in that situation, but I think clutch in the playoffs will be something Toney Douglas do.
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Hell yeah
I still have that shot ingrained in my memory. And that my whole building probably heard me yell when he hit it. And the flood of DTWDD on the Game Thread.
But yeah, I understood their nervousness, it just was painful to watch because it was so obvious
Jeffries carried the Knicks defense in game two of the Celtic series the way
Carmelo carried the offense. There were trips down the floor where Jeffries would end up guarding all five Celtics on the same damn trip. Frankly we were getting stops in that game because Jeffries was busting his ass. Jeffries stuff doesn’t jump out at you but when used correctly the guy can be very valuable to a team.
by Robert Curre on Nov 29, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
and you know what else
he likes the knicks and wants to play here for not a ton of cash.
People keep throwing names out of guys that have no connection to the team, assuming they will sign here instead of JJ. And yes, a bunch of them may be slightly better and fulfil our rebounding need better… but having a vet, who gets the coach and wants to play here is not something that grows on trees.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
Have you ever watched him play???
I know he is supposed to bring “the little things” and he’s not going to be a Melo or Stat sized talent but the guy can’t make a layup and is just too skinny to defend anybody. He’s a constant liability and plus he makes me feel like I’m watching the “old” Knicks. I’m sure he’s a nice guy and I saw his parents on TV when they played Indiana so I feel bad ragging on him but I just think he’d be happier elsewhere…
yes. i watch every knick game
and while watching, i consistantly write “good play JJ” here when I am on a game thread.
he makes small plays. Yes, there are major holes to his game, but I think they are overblown because he was asked to take on a role that was too big for him.
He is a liability on Offense, but I remember him playing very good team defense, and great D in certain situations. He knows when to foul and when to go for steals.
He is not to skinny to defend anybody, he did a very good job last year in many a game.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
he can defend a lot of wing players and other twig big men like Garnett and Bosh
just don’t ask him to guard the andrew bynums of the league
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well, i mean...
yeah. he cant guard the really big men. Thats why we gotta get a big big man that can start.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
He can make a layup the dude was playing with a partial meniscus tear
I would like to see any of you yokels tear your meniscus and then try to make a layup through contact. What are some of you guys, people who only started following the Knicks in February of 2011? Before he was traded to Houston, Jeffries could not only make lay ups, the dude was spotting up and knocking down 3’s. Let the guy get healthy and get some time with Phil Weber again before you completely shit on the guy.
by Robert Curre on Nov 29, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
The guy was the inspiration for the term "Jeffrightened". I think I remember more Eddy Curry threes(remember that one in Milwaukee to win the game??) than Jeffries threes.
His faults are being magnified no doubt, but cmon Rob. Let’s not pretend this guy is even an 8ppg kinda dude. He’s there for his rangy defense, and that mostly because our depth is so bad we have open spots on the roster for guys like that. He’s not an absolute stick of tofu on offense, but he’s very very limited.
Fish Fingers give me a break.
He's just constantly making me cringe...
I’ve been watching the Knicks since WAY before Feb of 2011 and as much as I would have loved to I never saw Jefferies knocking down threes consistently. Look perhaps I have been too harsh but to me Jefferies is a step back to a period I would rather not revisit. Yes he plays some defense which some others on the current roster are averse to but there are some big holes in his game.
Just to bear the other side of the argument...
NOT playing defense is also equal to have pretty big holes in one’s game. How many games were competitive because he was on the floor?
the problem is you have been seeing him on an incomplete team
he should not be shooting 3’s. Maybe the corner one once in a while if he can learn to hit that in rythem but he is not here for O. He is a bench player that can come in and settle down the team defense.
Nobody wants to bring him back for 25 min a night… but when you are talking about your 10 min a night guys, they will be players with holes in their games. If they didnt have holes they would be playing major min and getting paid big bucks.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
First of all with all of the money that Amare is getting paid we should
only need a guy to play 8-10 minutes a game to give him a blow. And all that guy should have to do is play defense hustle and generally don’t fuck things up too much. Jeffries can do that. Same with Carmelo, these guys should be playing 40 minutes a night given the cap room they take up. Then you can get by with the Extra E’s and the Jeffries types of the bench to hustle grab a rebound here a steal there, a few loose balls, and the occassional corner poop 8 or so minutes a game. For me that is the real problem here we are evaluating players like they need to play 25 minutes and average a double/doule to be useful. Jeffries is no stud, but he is a smart guy who is willing to hustle and do the dirty work and not complain about his role, his minutes or getting touches. With two cats at the forward positions who should be playing 40 minutes a game that is all you need behind them.
by Robert Curre on Nov 30, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
exacitally.
peop keep thinking of him in the way IT was selling him.
That is not the JJ we have/need now…
It doesnt matter. Most of us know he will be back. They went out of their way to get him back last year, and (especially with the time lost) I doubt they wanna bring in some brand new, unkown role player if they dont have to.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
exactly
damn. I was way off.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
He’s just awful. At everything and exactly not who we need up front in the middle…..ever!!!
Interesting to see how mixed people's reactions are to Jeffries and Shelden
Personally, here’s what I’d do, all for the minimum….
Resign Extra E, retain Derrick Brown, sign Nazr Mohammed, bring back Anthony Carter.
If we can get a low-level center for the minimum like Nazr, Kwame, etc. I think it makes Jeffries and Shelden expendable. I really have never been that impressed by Jeffries’ ability to defend all positions, except for other centers. Especially not last year
Brendan Haywood
If Dallas, as assumed, use the amnesty on Haywood’s contract he will not need (doesn’t mean he won’t) to look for a big contract from his next team (Dallas will still owe him 36 mill over the next 4 years – might be spread to 5 years I’m not sure of the details of the amnesty clause). I’m reading that he’s friends with STAT so that can help land him.
From all the names mentioned in our price range, he’s clearly the best option in the vet minimum category.
Other than that, I would be interested in Jeff Foster, Mike Dunleavy Jr and Grant Hill, maybe Kurt Thomas.
We will still need a back up point guard, but perhaps Shumpert and Douglas can handle that duties by committee.
I wish I could get on the Haywood train
but I can’t help but think he will underwhelm or get injured
Haywood is good in theory because he's big and not exactly a scrub
but he never impresses when I watch him. He’s not much of an impact player in my opinion. When I think of him, I think of him picking up a foul. In some ways I prefer guys like Turiaf and Jeffries who can play just as good post defense and can also pass from the high post.
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well with such a short training camp
it makes sense to re-sign our own free-agents rather than seek players elsewhere, i suppose.
Haywood is not going to be amnestied
Remember Tyson Chandler is not signed (while they will probably sign him) and even once he is back Chandler is one foul prone and secondly has a pretty nasty injury history as well. He stayed healthy last year but that was more of the exception than the rule.
by Robert Curre on Nov 28, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think you're right but your guess is as good as mine
Using the amnesty on Haywood puts Dallas under the cap at 55 mill for this season, which will allow them to re-sign Chandler and Barrea and still be under the luxury threshold.
In any event, from what I’m reading about the amnesty provision, the Knicks will most likely won’t be in play for Haywood anyways, because first dibs on him will go to teams under the cap who will essentially have a bidding war on his services. Only if there are no offers for him among these teams, will he become available for the over-the-cap teams (like the Knicks).
I think Robert is right
Not to mention Dallas was so much better defensively because they could consistently have starting caliber centers on the floor all game long. That’s something all teams would love to have
Look at it this way
If Dallas keeps Hayward AND signs Chandler and Barrea (even without Barrea) they are in the luxury threshold for the next 3 seasons (assuming they re-sign Terry next year as well) = they will be one of the first team that pays the $4 for $1 luxury tax.
You might venture to say that Cuban doesn’t mind, but that’s Cuban’s money not yours so we really don’t know what he wants to do.
Well we know that Tyson will get the MLE
So Barea’s gonna have to take a cheaper deal, which is really all he’s deserving of anyway. I think Chandler is ognna resign with Dallas regardless, and if somebody overpays for Barea, then Cuban may let him walk.
I don’t wanna speculate how Cuban feels about paying all that money, you make a good point, but I don’t think he’s gonna want to break up a championship team. The money he makes because of that is greater than the money he’ll pay to keep them together
I seriously doubt that Chandler gets less than 8 mill a year
Unless something has drastically changed in the new CBA, you don’t need the MLE to re-sign your own players. So we are talking big money here in order for Dallas to retain most of its key pieces from their championship team.
And I suspect that 8 mill for a backup Center is a luxury they will no longer be able to afford according to the new rules, especially when they can get a similar type player, like Kwame Brown, for a fraction of this money.
But again, what I didn’t realize at first is that under the amnesty clause, a waived player is not put immediately on the open market: first dibs goes to the team under the cap, and the highest bidder gets the player (the highest bid is deducted from what Dallas would have owned Haywood).
So only if NONE of the under-the-cap teams make a bid for Haywood, only then will the Knicks be in play for him. I find this scenario unlikely.
I was under the impression
That in the new CBA you couldn’t spend freely to resign your own player? I could be very wrong, I just thought that’s what it was.
But even so, you know he wants to resign with Dallas, he said so himself. So say they do give him 9 mil a season for like 4 seasons. That’s also a big salary, but then if they really wanted they could resign JJ Barea using the MLE for teams in the luxury tax.
I don’t know, I just think the fact that they’re the defending champions and that Haywood is a great luxury to have coming off your bench, I don’t think it’s worth it to free up the space by using the amnesty on him
You can, the limits come if you overspend on S&T and then also have Bird players to re-sign
But it is a moot point regarding Chandler. S&T, cap and tax rules do not take effect until Year 3.
For this year, it will be business as usual, identical to last year.
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whats the deal with our amnesty business?
is it automatically going to be balkman? or turiaf?
Knicks will likely sit on it
They can amnesty anyone signed under the old CBA for the next 10 years. Balkman is not costing them that much money. They could amnesty him, but they’d be better off keeping it just in case Amar’e or Carmelo suffer a career threatening injury.
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Bring back JJ
only because i quite enjoy the Jared Jefferies Shot Tracker.
by lololol on Nov 27, 2011 10:54 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Bring back Poope
And as a sleeper, bring back Shelden. We need every big body we can get. I do not include JJ in that category.
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by ny knickerbocker on Nov 27, 2011 11:04 PM EST reply actions
extra e
is the top priority. nazr would be great too, if we can get him.
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by mindcontrolproject on Nov 28, 2011 12:14 AM EST reply actions
Extra E, for sure.
Other than that, I wouldn’t be heartbroken to see any of those cats go, but Derrick Brown could be fun to watch. Always has seemed to me like a more athletic, less intelligent Landry.
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by Thelonious Dunk on Nov 28, 2011 2:06 AM EST reply actions
Extra E is a must
great utility defender as well is being a stone cold pooper
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I'm not sure Extra E is all that essential on this team
But he’s super-loyal and a hard worker and he’s willing to sign a 1 year deal, so I’d sign him. Derrick Brown’s kind of intriguing and can be had cheap for a year on his qualifying offer, so I’d keep him. Maybe Carter if he was interested in a 1 year deal. Probably leave Mason Jr. alone.
I don’t think Shelden Williams is really going to cut it at the 5 for us so I think we ought to look elsewhere. As for Jeffries, I vote no. He just doesn’t do enough. It’s hard not to like the guy, but I think we’ve got to get serious here.
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My exact feelings on E
As for Shelden, I’d prefer to bring him back because we definitely need big bodies. Even if he doesn’t perfectly fit at the 5… he rebounds, something we really really need. He’ll be cheap as well, so even if we find a more serviceable 5 somehow, She-Will is fine to stash on the bench (like last year mostly).
It's not hard for me to dislike Jared.
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by Thelonious Dunk on Nov 28, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Mason def showed something during the playoffs
again, the issue was his role was too large for what he is (same as JJ), but he def showed some value.
I wouldnt mind having him back. Part of me feels with just 2 weeks of preseason for these guys that unless there is really a much better option out there that is willing to get a 1 year deal, then keeping guys that already know whats up with coach is a big advantage.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
The value of Mason is dependent on the value of Shump.
Hell, even Andy Rautins. If either of those guys can bring something consistent to the table at the 2-ish spot (Andy with the shootin’, Shump with the everything else), I don’t see any point in keeping Roger on the team. Veteran leadership, maybe?
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by Thelonious Dunk on Nov 28, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
What about Bully?
I would think that if Walker showed that he deserved more PT, than we wouldn’t need Mason either.
Good point, forgot about Bully.
Same boat. More Bill = less Roger.
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by Thelonious Dunk on Nov 28, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
Extra E and Jeffries already have agreements to return.
Mason Jr. wants to come back and has said he will sign for min. Remember the Knicks need to make sure they clear cap to go after Paul. So a guy like Jeffries though some of you may not like him, speaks a language that cap conscience GM’s love “I’ll sign a one year roster exception deal Glen.”
yo honestly tho
it can’t be stressed enough. jeffries sucks shit
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If you want to be a contending team, you simply cannot be giving that guy regular minutes. He is just too much of a liability on offense.
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Yo he came home and now we are broke and over the cap cheap guys with bird rights
attached who can also play multiple positions and thus extend the bench get signed I am sorry. Don’t like it anymore than you do, but this is what happens when you gut a roster to trade for a guy with a big price tag attached and end up over the cap, sorry pal but guys like Jeffries end up on your squad. I don’t like it anymore than you but I am a realist.
by Robert Curre on Nov 28, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
Poope is a definite
i think we all pretty much agree on that. Everybody else can go. We have Turiaf (when healthy), Jerome J̶a̶m̶e̶s̶ Jordan (once he’s here) and Jorts. I think instead of keeping another “big” from this list, go for Kwame Brown or as someone said before Greg Oden. I’m not even really sold on Derrick Brown but i’ll take a poor mans ill Will anyday. The rest i wouldnt be heart broken over, ESPECIALLY jeffries!
by blackhova on Nov 28, 2011 11:39 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Jerome Jordan is a skinnier bigger stiff than Jerome James!
You heard it here first. Earl Barron is better than that scrub!
by Robert Curre on Nov 28, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
Uh-oh
Don’t start up that Earl Lord Barron cry again… we went through that enough last year. lol
So you know what I am saying.
Jordan is big and he is fairly young still so he could develop, but forget about him coming in here and being anything but a liability on the court this year. I watch some game footage of the dude, in a game where he put up 21 pts, and honestly he is not a NBA player. KRKA is not in a top Euro league so they play alot of games against teams that do not have anything resembling NBA level talent. When ever Jordan goes up against a player with anything resembling NBA level talent he gets raped! Sorry but if we were not desparate for big bodies we would not even be considering him. HE IS NOT NBA READY! SORRY BABA!
by Robert Curre on Nov 29, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Only guys I want back are Shawne, Carter, and maybe Walker
I would also like to add some vets like Jeff Foster, Kurt Thomas, and Grant Hill. Then I would bring bring over Jordan, and let him compete with Harrellson for a spot on the roster.
Billups-Douglas-Carter
Fields-Shumpert-Walker
Melo-Hill-Williams
Amare-Thomas-Balkman
Turiaf-Foster-Joran/Harrellson
Jeff Foster's a good one
I forgot about him. I mean, he’s not good, but he can play PF/C and will do the dirty work
Definitely Extra E, Walker if he decides he wants to focus and play, and AC as a backup...
Sorry but aside from a few monster dunks last year Derrick Brown failed to impress. We need somebody big and not Sheldon Williams or Jared Jefferies (PLEASE!!!). Bill Walker is such a wild card, if he plays hard he could be a very good backup and he has even had a few moments where I felt he deserved to be in the starting lineup (they were brief moments). But really we need size in the middle until we get Dwight next season!!!
Aaron Gray NOW!
I’m Aaron Gray’s new biggest fan. Really, anyone who’s young, big, and cheap is good enough for me. (Don’t take that the wrong way.)
I think we can all agree that anyone besides Jared Jeffries would work. Nice guy, but he can’t play basketball.
Either that, or shock everyone by trading Melo for Howard. It won’t happen, after NY invested everything in Melo last February, but let’s admit it: Howard is the better all-around player. And Howard, Amare, and Paul complement each other and would play better together than would a front-loaded team of Howard-Amare-Melo or a Paul-Amare-Melo team that’d still have the same rebounding and in-the-paint defense problems of last year’s Knicks.
I like Aaron Gray
but he might be too slow for us
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Possibly
But I don’t think Jorts, Kwame Brown, Nazr Mohammed, Greg Oden, Kurt Thomas, or any other names being thrown out there are very fast either
He might be too expensive. Roster exception = less than vets min
He can and will get more elsewhere.
by Robert Curre on Nov 28, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed. I would be completely fine with KT getting minutes as a big guy here.
We could use him and Kwame at this point.
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I don't know if we'd get both
But a combination of either Kurt or Kwame mixed with Turiaf, hopefully Jorts or Jordan, and Stat at center is fine.
Let’s not forget that Amare can play some center. I don’t think it’s a bad thing if he has to play 10-15 minutes a night there because it is an advantage in some ways. I just don’t want him starting there or playing more than half the game.
But if we got Kwame, he’d probably start and play 20-25 minutes a night, Turiaf would play probably 10-15 minutes, and Amar’e could play center too, with Jorts or Jordan gettting some time every now and then. That would at least suffice for a center rotation.
no doubt bout stat
most teams dont have a center that can compete with him. And even if they do, they dont have 2… so its really a matter of matchups.
I am down for brown.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
out of that list
the only guy worth keeping while thinking of the future is Poope Poopington. The other options i’m thinking highly of are Kurt Thomas for 1yr real cheap, adding Jerome Jordan if he’s rational and accepts shit money, or maybe entertaining Tommy Dee’s theory of Haywood after he’s possibly amnestied from the Mavs.
I’m not going to make a habit of it, but just to get it out there now i’m pro Howard and not pro Paul.
what are the chances Wilson Chander’s agent can work miracles with that Chinese contract and get him back to NBA eligible?
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by total hermination on Nov 28, 2011 8:40 PM EST reply actions
Unlikely with Wilson
Plus he’s beasting in the Chinese league, (whatever it is I don’t know) so he’d be kind of silly to leave after dominating and not get paid the amount of money he is, which I think is similar to the MLE.
Anywho, he’d be a really nice piece to sign when he comes back and I definitely believe that regardless if we have a big 3 or not, we’ll have a big 2, and he’ll want to play with them in NYC
Wilson
Just saw an article saying that he’s averaging 33/game, making $3M and eligible to return in March after the Chinese season ends. Can he get back earlier… dunno. But if he’s enjoying it over there, might as well stick it out for a couple more months I guess.
And Wilson Chandler is still a Restricted FA
You would have to work out a S&T with Denver to get him, whenever he is ready & available to return.
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Wilson Chandler wants to get paid and he wants to start and play 35 mins a night. That was why he was not happy in Denver. Chandler beleives he is a legit starting caliber player .He is not coming to New York to play 10 minutes a game behind Melo. He’s gone forget him!
by Robert Curre on Nov 29, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
I could stand to part with almost everyone on that list
besides Extra E and maybe Derrick Brown. Since we’re preserving cap space for next year we should lock down Iman and Landry and sign Kurt Thomas to a one-year deal
Roger Mason Jr. – don’t know if it matters or not
Anthony Carter – yes, valuable end of bencher
Shawne Williams – yes
Shelden Williams – probably not
Derrick Brown (restricted) – doesn’t matter one way or the other
Jared Jeffries – possible end of bencher
Either through FA, low dollar trade or from the Amnestied players, a legit minute eating Center needs to be acquired (Kwame or comparable level). Otherwise NY runs out of gas come playoff time again.
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Franchise Tag: Enabling Incompetent Owners to remain imcompetent"
"Contenders do; pretenders give excuses why they did not"
"Yes everybody does have an opinion; but that does not make your opinion any less wrong"
"That ought to stop your bitchin"
"And, please remember, ignorance is not a defense"
I think this year will be mostly a pass... not too crazy about that possibility though
It seems a foregone conclusion than CP3 will be on the Knicks. I don’t see a realistic E&T scenario to get him during the season. But on the brightside now that the CBA will be in place there’s no uncertainty hanging over everyone’s heads. If CP3 wants to go to NY he can play out the season and sign as a UFA and no one can force him to go anywhere he doesn’t want to go to.
With last year’s uncertainty that’s ultimately why Melo had to be traded for; there was intimidation and risks of franchise clauses, major salary and cap cut backs to where Denver was trying to force Melo to go to NJ… because Denver liked NJ’s trade package better.
NOH may get a little something in a short term-rental trade possibility, but I don’t think any other team will offer much in a trade if they are convinced he want to go to NY.
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Franchise Tag: Enabling Incompetent Owners to remain imcompetent"
"Contenders do; pretenders give excuses why they did not"
"Yes everybody does have an opinion; but that does not make your opinion any less wrong"
"That ought to stop your bitchin"
"And, please remember, ignorance is not a defense"
Interesting development in Utah
Latest rumoring has it that Jefferson and/or Milsap may be on the market.
Both have 2years left on their contract (this year and next) and Utah likely may be desiring a little bit of cap relief. With the new 150% trade match NY could offer easy relief in either deal.
The downside is NY really doesn’t have much real value to add to either deal. Straight cap relief by itself would not be enough. Plus either deal would likely handcuff next year’s CP3 derby.
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Franchise Tag: Enabling Incompetent Owners to remain imcompetent"
"Contenders do; pretenders give excuses why they did not"
"Yes everybody does have an opinion; but that does not make your opinion any less wrong"
"That ought to stop your bitchin"
"And, please remember, ignorance is not a defense"
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