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Lockout Open Fred: 11/9/11


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i'm so sick of this

(not this site or your posts)

but this is like the ninth time there is supposed to be a deal tonight. I don’t know how long I can keep reading Frank Isola’s random thoughts aka attempts at comedy aka tweets

by total hermination on Nov 9, 2011 9:22 PM EST reply actions  

Arrrr, my fake hip is acting up, it senses the end of labor disputes

Happened before the NFL lockout ended, it’s a clear sign tonight’s the night.

by DonMoosavi on Nov 9, 2011 9:25 PM EST reply actions  

i just want to die

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by stingy d on Nov 9, 2011 9:30 PM EST reply actions  

if you die, we die together

Proud owner of Ruben's Empanadas, Fantasy Basketball legend.
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by THEWILLY on Nov 9, 2011 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

no nba suicide pact?

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by stingy d on Nov 9, 2011 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

should i smear blood on my screen over our replies?

how does this work

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by THEWILLY on Nov 9, 2011 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

that'll work

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by stingy d on Nov 9, 2011 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I just googled it.

While I love the show, I didn’t pick up on the reference. I’m not really a fan of this season, unfortunately.

Stainer of mountaintops.

by Chairman Meow on Nov 9, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

No?

Whatever number this season is, 6 I think, I love. Last season, I thought was kind of lacking though. 1-4 (if my numbers are correct) are just terrific

by WSD on Nov 9, 2011 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

7

i like this season. i like em all tho. but also i’m a fan of not letting shows go on for too long. i would rather they do a new show with the same chracters. they could even have the same names. but whatever tho.

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by stingy d on Nov 9, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed about letting shows run on too long

For instance, The Office has been run into the ground. Always Sunny still has alot going for it, but if it’s going to go for an 8th or 9th season, they need to have something happen that affects the overall plots of the show.

Right now, they’re sort of running out of ideas it seems

by WSD on Nov 9, 2011 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Fat Mac just isn't doing anything for me.

The golden age of Nightman Cometh and Kitten Mittens are behind us. Workaholics is taking it’s place. God that show is funny.

Stainer of mountaintops.

by Chairman Meow on Nov 9, 2011 11:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Today is Day 132 of the NBA lockout.

The NFL lockout ended on Day 132.

If I wasn’t so superstitious I’d think that might be significant.

by Mikel L on Nov 9, 2011 9:36 PM EST reply actions  

Broussard trying to kill the vibe:

“For those getting overly excited & optimistic about the NBA talks, I’m told u should slow your roll. Still a ways to go”

by total hermination on Nov 9, 2011 9:38 PM EST reply actions  

What does it mean to "be alive"?

I need no signature. My twitter name is @ConnorHuchton, if you're into that kind of thing.

by Connor Huchton on Nov 9, 2011 9:39 PM EST reply actions  

Nietzsche says that happiness stems from power.

But for me, happiness stems from TD making bank from down town.

Stainer of mountaintops.

by Chairman Meow on Nov 9, 2011 9:56 PM EST reply actions  

SPEAK OF WHICH

I heard a college FB coach say something like “We gotta go out there and DWWD. Do What We Do.” And I was like OHHHHH.

Stainer of mountaintops.

by Chairman Meow on Nov 9, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

also fuck these small markets

they get the best draft picks every year, the john walls the d rose, durant…Free agency is all the main way good teams can get better, so why do these small market shitbags think they can get all the free agents on topof their cheap superstar draft picks every year

by teksurgical on Nov 9, 2011 10:10 PM EST reply actions  

DC and Chicago are small markets?

You serious? Even OKC can be considered a big market. They certainly have good attendance.

Stainer of mountaintops.

by Chairman Meow on Nov 9, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

what I have against small markets

is that it is them who are holding up this whole NBA season while trying to force “competitive balance” while they have made plenty of mistakes. nobody told minnesota to pay garnett all that money,and nobody told washington to pay arenas it either, nobody told Portland to keep getting players hurt…but all those teams are holding up the season

by teksurgical on Nov 9, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Chicago most definitely isn't a small market

I don’t know about DC, and OKC is an example of a thriving small-market team, similar to what San Antonio has been over the past decade.

Too much is made of the whole big-market vs. small-market in my opinion. Until last year, NY never got awesome players in free agency; we actually blew for the whole decade. The Lakers haven’t really signed any huge, big time FAs in the past years (unless you wanna count Odom), they’ve done it through trades and the draft.

Miami isn’t really a big market either, just Lebron and Bosh are in love with D-Wade and Wade didn’t really want to leave Miami. The Hawks aren’t exactly a big market and they’ve had success, as have the Magic, the Grizzlies currently, the Bucks for a year, Portland to an extent, Utah for a lot of the past decade, etc etc.

You just need smart management to make good signings all around and make good draft picks

by WSD on Nov 9, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

small market refers to television market which impacts local TV revenues.

not actual population or attendance at games. San Antonio for example is one of the smallest Markets in the NBA. Chicago however never has been and never will be a small market.

by Robert Curre on Nov 10, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

And are you familiar with Patrick Ewing?

Stainer of mountaintops.

by Chairman Meow on Nov 9, 2011 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

sosubstitute “financially unsuccessful” for “small market”

by teksurgical on Nov 9, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Really I think we're talking about

“Small Market” actually means “Franchises purchased within the last 5 years”

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Nov 10, 2011 9:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Small market actually means franchises purchased by folks who do not understand that

the sports business is an entertainment business. And if you do not entertain you don’t make money. Now in sports there are 3 ways to entertain.
1. have big name stars (Just like movies have enough stars and crap looks good. Put Will Smith and Brad Pitt in a movie and even if it is shit people will pay money to see it.) Put Carmelo and Amare on the court and even if the rest of the team is shit, people will come to see it.

2. Win. Everyone loves a winner. The Chicago Bulls play some of the ugliest basketball in the NBA but people watch it because it wins.

3.Play an entertaining style. Glent Taylor is sitting on a license to print money in Minny ha ha. He has a young athletic team forget structured offenses, let those youngsters get out and run. Lots of points and lots of dunks puts fans in the seat even if the team doesn’t win alot. Instead of Rick Adelman they should have hired Don Nelson. Nelly ball would have the target center packed to the rafters inside of two weeks.

by Robert Curre on Nov 10, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly, and they were awarded Blake Griffin.

bad teams have the draft, but they are trying to dominate free agency too.

by teksurgical on Nov 9, 2011 10:26 PM EST reply actions  

as they should

I’m not mad at them for using the draft, I’m mad at shitty teams holding up the season over luxury tax and free agency rules

by teksurgical on Nov 9, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

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by bluecheese999 on Nov 9, 2011 10:34 PM EST reply actions  

Michael Jordan drafted him but Isiah Thomas made him rich!

Jordan and Thomas are two reasons why fans should be quick to tell hall of fame players who want to be GM’s and owners to (stay the f—-k away from our team!)

by Robert Curre on Nov 10, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

organizations i currently hate:

charlotte, portland, phoenix, san antonio, miami, orlando, milwaukee, new jersey.

discuss?

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by stingy d on Nov 9, 2011 11:12 PM EST reply actions  

To be honest, I can respect them doing what they can to stay alive.

Though I’m not really educated enough on what they’re trying to negotiate to form a final opinion.

Stainer of mountaintops.

by Chairman Meow on Nov 9, 2011 11:34 PM EST up reply actions  

well...

nobody will be in favor of this but i think they should just chop off 2 or three teams.

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by stingy d on Nov 9, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

charlotte, new orleans

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by stingy d on Nov 9, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Nawlins I can understand, but why Charlotte?

They’re pretty successful down there.

Stainer of mountaintops.

by Chairman Meow on Nov 9, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

i was under the impression they were extremely UNsuccessful

first the team moved to, of all places, new orleans. then they went and created a whole new team out of thin air that has never been very successful (record wise). and the franchise has been sold at least once despite only being around for a decade basically. thats a red flag to me. also, jordan is sitting there making bad player decisions as often as possible. they will never be successful. or at least thats how it looks to me.

chop off their thumbs.

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by stingy d on Nov 9, 2011 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I was thinking more attendance wise, but you're right.

I just don’t want any fans to lose their teams :(

Stainer of mountaintops.

by Chairman Meow on Nov 9, 2011 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

fuck the fans

nobody cares about the fans! they only care about the overall product. shed the deadweights and the long term gains will be greater than the short term loss.

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by stingy d on Nov 9, 2011 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember Chris Childs' Fist (whatever happened to that guy???)

Saying he went to a Bobcats game and the arena was quite nice, and the crowd was lively. I mean, Charlotte was pretty successful with the Hornets back in the 90s, I just think the Bobcats’ management sucks. They let Felton and Tyson Chandler go for nothing, and traded Gerald Wallace for dirt, after having a nice playoff season.

Personally, I’d thorw Minnesota on the chopping board

by WSD on Nov 9, 2011 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

as someone who grew up with ccf

he dunno what he talkin about

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by stingy d on Nov 9, 2011 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe so

but i really grew up with him. and teksurgical, that maniac, too.

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by stingy d on Nov 9, 2011 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait what?

There are people on here that actually know each other? Now you’re gonna have to explain that

by WSD on Nov 10, 2011 12:58 AM EST up reply actions  

and yea

minnesota is fair game to me.

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by stingy d on Nov 9, 2011 11:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Plus,

a picture of one of their games is a picture on wikipedia!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nba#Regular_season

Stainer of mountaintops.

by Chairman Meow on Nov 9, 2011 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

he took me to a game there

2nd row, i was yelling at them boys all night. the truth is, we got lots of representation in that arena the knicks fans reaaaal loud

by teksurgical on Nov 10, 2011 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

the visiting team's fans make the most noise...

so it looks bad for them

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by stingy d on Nov 10, 2011 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

How do you compensate the owners if you contract?

I don’t get it.

Contraction is a serious blow to the players. That’s like 30 roster slots and $100 million just became unavailable.

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Nov 10, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes. Contraction will never happen.

The players will make their own league before that, and that’s never gonna happen either so..

Fish Fingers give me a break.

by GAx on Nov 10, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey fellas...

Just checking in.

I’ve been following Alan Hahn on twitter. He seems to be slowly losing his mind…

Anyway, I’ve gotta go to bed. Have to be at work extra early tomorrow.
Tomorrow we will all wake up in a world without a lockout. Amen.

SPEND ON BIGS

by StarksMiddleFinger on Nov 9, 2011 11:12 PM EST reply actions  

no deal gonna happen man

sorry to say

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by stingy d on Nov 9, 2011 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Real talk;

I have a Clara Rockmore album on my iPod. If I ever run across some money, I’m gonna buy a theramin/amp.

Stainer of mountaintops.

by Chairman Meow on Nov 10, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

don't think you have to spend a lot of money to get a theremin

or an amp really.

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by stingy d on Nov 10, 2011 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I've looked into it before.

A good theremin is about 350, and a good amp is about 250. There’s other stuff I would rather spend my hard earned $600 on than a theremin.

Stainer of mountaintops.

by Chairman Meow on Nov 10, 2011 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

This would be the perfect time for a deal to get done.

The sports world is distracted by Penn State (which, by the way, is on the verge of a full riot), so they can get some work done without the huge scrutiny that they’ve had to deal with so far.

Stainer of mountaintops.

by Chairman Meow on Nov 10, 2011 12:22 AM EST reply actions  

http://twitter.com/#!/KBergCBS/statuses/134472420168974336

Stainer of mountaintops.

by Chairman Meow on Nov 10, 2011 12:56 AM EST reply actions  

I think Berger clones himself

otherwise I don’t see how this man can collect news, update and write so many damned pertinent articles so frequently.

I found Carmen SanDiego! Guess Where? Go Ahead...That's Right..SanDiego.
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by Lord Smackington on Nov 10, 2011 1:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed - I like Berg

But these dudes are a little frightening weird as a rabid group in hotel lobbies

by screamedia on Nov 10, 2011 1:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Meeting just ended guys

Anxiously watching my twitter feed

by WSD on Nov 10, 2011 1:01 AM EST reply actions  

Imagine if a deal was made?

ESPN would implode.

Stainer of mountaintops.

by Chairman Meow on Nov 10, 2011 1:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm going to be walking around all week

humming and dancing to 2 of hearts now. I’m actually doing it right now. I can’t stop. I’m surprised there wasn’t a remix of this done by bad boy in the late 90’s

I found Carmen SanDiego! Guess Where? Go Ahead...That's Right..SanDiego.
www.indiscriminateswag.blogspot.com

by Lord Smackington on Nov 10, 2011 1:03 AM EST reply actions  

I'm calling it right now and saying no deal was reached.

Two separate pressers isn’t exactly a show of unity.

Stainer of mountaintops.

by Chairman Meow on Nov 10, 2011 1:05 AM EST reply actions  

The good news is nobody's rushed to be the first to proclaim the bad news.

Maybe they’re sitting intently writing down details of the new deal?

Eh?

Fish Fingers give me a break.

by GAx on Nov 10, 2011 1:05 AM EST reply actions  

crap

Fish Fingers give me a break.

by GAx on Nov 10, 2011 1:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Is "Open Fred"

our new P&T mascot?

Fields, on the follow!

by nygmp42 on Nov 10, 2011 1:07 AM EST reply actions  

So....more tomorrow

I guess absence of bad news is good news

Fish Fingers give me a break.

by GAx on Nov 10, 2011 1:07 AM EST reply actions  

Stern is pretty non-committal, it doesn’t look too good.

Stainer of mountaintops.

by Chairman Meow on Nov 10, 2011 1:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, at least airhead jordan, douche allen, pud pierce and hissyfit garnett

didn’t blow their load and as if anyone cared what they thought, so hope does spring eternal for another day

by screamedia on Nov 10, 2011 1:31 AM EST up reply actions  

BEDTIME!

I found Carmen SanDiego! Guess Where? Go Ahead...That's Right..SanDiego.
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by Lord Smackington on Nov 10, 2011 1:08 AM EST reply actions  

More meetings tomorrow

These guys play me for fools. This is like the 8th time this fall I’ve anxiously awaited news, imagining how great it’ll be to hear “We have a deal”, and then find out it went badly or they just say “We’ll continue tomorrow”

by WSD on Nov 10, 2011 1:09 AM EST reply actions  

If I hear

“more meetings tomorrow” or “some progress was made today, but don’t get too excited” one more time, I’m going to throw eggs at that Woj guy’s house. Cuz fuck that guy.

Fields, on the follow!

by nygmp42 on Nov 10, 2011 1:10 AM EST reply actions  

Fucking lol at how cranky Fisher is.

Stainer of mountaintops.

by Chairman Meow on Nov 10, 2011 1:15 AM EST reply actions  

I said as the lockout started that if the start of the season was made i could see the whole season being lost, and there is nothing that is changing my opinion.

Sorry guys, but im getting rather pissed with the whole situation.

i just want to see Basketball!

by Bertilad on Nov 10, 2011 2:44 AM EST reply actions  

I think now is the time for owners to cross the threshold

After reviewing whats gone down and which concessions have been made, the ball has to be in the owner’s court and they have to make the right move. They got enuff back that with a little responsibility they can recoup some of those alleged losses. I honestly feel players are overpaid, but it’s also a negotiation and we’re dealing with flesh and bone, not product as some say. A product breaks, you make a new one, a player breaks and they live with it for some 50% of their lives.

Other than a one-line from Fisher something like “if we had an extra mil it’s go to a retirement fund,” …No, there should, if there isn’t be provision for players long after players careers are over. But I don’t hear much about this. I don’t want to hear about how Dwayne Wade could make 3x without a hard cap or whatever, that tells me more about greed than caring for families. It’s definately about the money on both sides, which is irresponsible, again, in my opinion, and ignorant.

At the end of the day, being responsible and wise with the money they take in is what owners should worry about. There’s plenty of money to be made by players if they play up to expectations, while some (Curry) make it nonetheless. They should be worried about securing their futures when the lights go down for themselves and their families. But at the end of the day, pull away the speeches and hoopla and the like, and what they’re leaving behind are frustrated and alienated fans. The people who really keep the doors open and help fund these big arenas and player lifestyles.

If we don’t fill the seats then the team should look for greener pastures, unfortunately to the detriment of some local businesses where these substandard teams reside. While I respect Paul Allen for his ability to keep funding what has been a relatively competitive team in Seattle over the past decade in the NFL, he’s been less than admirable in his handling of his NBA team regaurdless of the fact that he’s had bad breaks with player injuries etc. But, too bad, it happens when you’re dealing with flesh and bone and not plastic and gears. You can’t cry foul afterwards as if you didn’t know what you were getting into.

I could go on forever. I won’t. Get this shit done and let’s get back to business. The Knicks are gonna win it all, so let’s stop delaying the inevitable.

by screamedia on Nov 10, 2011 3:18 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

Eloquently elucidated.

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Nov 10, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Screamedia

You are a fucking poet!!!!!!!

by Robert Curre on Nov 10, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

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