Yahoo: Chris Paul wants to be traded to the Knicks.
by Seth on Dec 1, 2011 2:26 PM EST
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Chris Paul’s agent informed New Orleans officials on Wednesday that his client will not sign a contract extension and wants to be traded to the New York Knicks, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.
As soon as the NBA lifts its lockout restrictions, Hornets general manager Dell Demps wants to meet with Paul and hear that directive from him.
Remind me: Did the pre-Melo hype ever get that straightforward? I'm really asking.
As the article goes on to note, this isn't nearly as simple as "okay, we'll trade you to the Knicks". The Hornets have to accept something in return, and they have the following to choose from: Chauncey Billups and his expiring contract, Landry Fields, Toney Douglas, Iman Shumpert, everybody I've ever liked on the Knicks ever, a 2044 first-rounder, Glen Grunwald's remarkably soft pocket lint, the unreleased B-side to "Go New York Go", a churro, and Renaldo Balkman.
So, uh, let's make a deal?
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Yeah, but
I don’t know if I can handle another whole season of waiting again. The quicker something is done, the quicker the news about the team will be dominated by the players on the team.
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by Bernard King's Game Face on Dec 1, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
There will be no players on the team all of them will be in New Orleans
But if we got to gut the roster again better we gut it before the start of training camp, than gutting it with 20 games left to go in the season. By the way I do not know if the new CBA changed the rule. But once we sign Shumpert we cannot trade him for a certain number of days. So He might not go in the deal. Or then again we could not sign him and trade his rights to New Orleans. Damn Shumpy you will never even get the chance to wear Orange and blue. I hate all nut huggers right now!
"Just wait till the end of the season!"
Easy to say and I don’t necessarily disagree.
But expecting someone to willingly wait til July and be rewarded with a 20% pay cut simply for the honor of playing in NY is not being realistic… nor fair.
I don’t plan on volunteering to take a 20% cut in my salary anytime soon. And I don’t believe few if anybody else is either
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I think the thing a lot of people actually mean by that is
“Just wait till the end of the season!……..because we already saw how much we gave up for one superstar. If you want to join the two we already have we don’t have much else to give and realize how little we’ll have left to surround you guys.”
Fish Fingers give me a break.
What? What?
Seth, you used to be so innocent.
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by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 1, 2011 2:41 PM EST reply actions
i've been waiting on this day since he was drafted
i know he wont be a dominant big man but maybe some Mozgovness or Dwight Howardness will make me all warm n fuzzy inside for the season
by blackhova on Dec 1, 2011 3:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
nooooo
jamaican me crazy
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by ny knickerbocker on Dec 1, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
As Jules would say . . .
Say what again. Say what again! I dare ya, I double dare ya, you motherfucker! Say what one more goddamn time.
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by Bernard King's Game Face on Dec 1, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Did I just read that right?
that the Nets would be interested in trading for Paul? Wow now that would be interesting, Paul and Williams in the same backcourt for a year.
haa the B-side of Go NY GO. Dont make me find my copy to see if there is one.
The weird thing is . . .
Even with all of the other news in this post, all I can think about is “what is the b-side of Go NY Go?”
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by Bernard King's Game Face on Dec 1, 2011 2:44 PM EST reply actions
Stop NY Stop
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
by gbaked on Dec 1, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How would we play with just 3 guys???
Amare- PF & C
Carmelo- SF & SG
CP- PG
???
Maybe they would let us keep Jefferies and Renaldo Balkman so we could field a full team.
that's what they said about Miami
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miami got all the same players
no facilitator. thats where they screwed up big time. That number 6 guy facilitates when he absolutely cannot get his shot. so when they thought they were gettin a “Magic Johnson” they actually got (enter a supremely talented black hole here)
by blackhova on Dec 1, 2011 3:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Their money?
Those players supposedly will take a pay cut. You’d be surprised how many good players will lower their pay for wins. Older, veteran, defensive players mostly.
Realist.
Miami has a little more then the 3 cherrios and cardboard cutouts.
but the Knicks undoubtedly would have that. Maybe we’d get to keep Poop.
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Hardly
Haslam was injured all year and Miller was terrible.
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by Ozraider on Dec 1, 2011 5:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You could argue
That their supporting cast of James Jones, Chalmers, Mike Miller (when he actually played) and Joel Anthony would be about equal to having Landry, Toney Douglas, Extra E, and Turiaf.
If we were to trade for CP3, I think our Big 3 would be better than Miami’s, but our supporting cast would be even worse. And I’d rather have a very solid supporting cast with our Big 2 than an amazing Big 3 and pocket lint on the floor
by WSD on Dec 1, 2011 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
Their big 3 is also being paid a lot less than our big 3..
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LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Maybe we're trading him straight up for Amare? Carmelo?
Honestly, I feel like this isn’t true yet.
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by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 1, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
that would be something
trade amare and sign dwight howard.
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nah i want what we got
there’s no telling how much of NY Dwight would be willing to put on his back, unlike pre Melo Stat.
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Would be insane..
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If Chris Paul has as much leverage as he thinks he does
The Hornets could go for a lesser trade rather than lose him for nothing. It could be reverse Karma for what we gave up in the Melo trade
Or...
We could plan to trade Chauncey, Landry, etc and appear we have a deal and then have Dolan step in and “throw in” DWTDD, Jordan (after he shows at least a little skill) and the rights to the lower half of Manhattan that is then renamed New Yorkleans.
Well at least he isn't going through the whole charade that Melo did about maybe ill signed maybe I won't, if Melo had have done this we probaby would have gotten a better deal for him
New Orleans is going to get hosed unless we can find a third team willing to give up some young talent to NO in return for Chaunceys expiring contract.
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Am I the only one...
that feels we DO have some young talent? Maybe not equal to other team… but DWTDD is still rather young. Landry. Shump. Jordan if he shows anything at all as Mosgov did.
Not saying I want to trade ANY of them (or that we’d be left with enough guys if we did)… but I hate it when our own young talent is totally ignored by the media.
I think we have young talent as well
but not really anything that could be included in what may construed as a fair trade for NO, and I dont see why they would even want CB4’s expring contract becasue clearly top players dont want to play there anyway.
They will want to try and secure some top young talent who are locked up for 3 years plus
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I know!
The Nuggets front office deliberately played that to their advantage and claimed we didn’t have any pieces worth having. They talked about it to the press after the trade that it was their strategy to undervalue Knicks young talent in the media to get a better deal for themselves and how it worked out so well for them.
Honestly...
having no NBA because of the lockout vs listening to another season of trade scenarios for a “superstar” rather than focusing on the talent we already have on the court…… seems like a very tough choice at this point.
Please, let’s focus on what we have for now rather than what we don’t. Let’s start with projected lineups, possible free agents, etc… then once we make it through all of that once can we start the wishlist items.
Forgive me, I’m just near the breaking point and want to focus on OUR team or what will REASONABLY be our team. If I start to hear “serious talks” about a possible trade… so be it.
So u would prefer no NBA at all
DERP.
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by Ozraider on Dec 1, 2011 5:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Chris Paul: Yahoo wants to be traded to Microsoft
The plot thickens
by XLII on Dec 1, 2011 2:59 PM EST reply actions 14 recs
C'mon Gentlemen.
This dude has the right attitude. Rec’d till it’s green.
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by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 1, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
If we make this deal, I think there's a good chance I could make the team for one of the remaining roster spots
Hell, I think several of us could. I’ll take the minimum, no problem.
by PolyphonicSpreewell on Dec 1, 2011 3:04 PM EST reply actions
That's Right I Agree!
Fuck C.Paul the little midget with the big mouth.
I ask again how come nobody is coming to play in New orleans with him if he so damn good.
I would go after D.Williams or bring back R.Felton bwforwe that little bitch.
yea that dude sux
anyone can put up 16 pts 10 asst a night. My mom can do that!
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 1, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
There's a weird sensation running through my body right now
I sort of agree with a Dizzy post!
I don’t think so harshly of Paul. But I would rather not make trades this season, and go for him in free agency. If he gets traded and doesn’t make it to free agency, we could go after D-Will and still keep some of the pieces to this team. You know the Nets aren’t trading Deron to the Knicks! And if we don’t get him, let’s just go after a PG like Felton, Mo Williams, or Jameer Nelson
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by WSD on Dec 1, 2011 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
I think Mo Williams on this team would be really good
But the Clippers arent going to trade away their starting PG and no. 3 option for nothing.
no one goes to NO cuz they don't bring anyone there.
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What are we calling this now?
Chris-fusion? Chris-sturbance? Paul-abaloo? Paul-moil? Anyone?
For the record, any unnecessary drama that leads to another top 10 player joining the Knicks is something I’ll sign up for every day. I want this trio to form badly.
by Wilson Chandlerstick Maker on Dec 1, 2011 3:05 PM EST reply actions
yay, I believe the three will be a tremendous amount of fun to watch
How much will having a true pure PG help the D’Antoni system?
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 1, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If they trade Douglas, Landry or Shump, it's gonna be hard to be a Knick fan.
:,(
Stainer of mountaintops.
agreed it it be really tough to say goodbye to those guys especially Landry and DWTDD
but we have known this was the plan for a while now and they want to contend for titles right now, if we can make a trade and keep one of them you have to consider that a win.
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Okay. I am going to catch hell for this, but whatever
That attitude is straight up crazy. Toney Douglas has never shown he can be more than a steaky shooter off the bench. Landry Fields exceeded expectations as a rookie, and then flamed out in the playoffs big time. At his best, fringe starter on most NBA teams. Iman Shumpert has never played an NBA game.
It’s one thing to bemoan trading Gallo, Chandler, Felton et al for Melo and Billups. (And bemoan it I did!) Not only were those guys seriously on the come-up, but they were combining for nearly 50 points per game—they were major pieces of our rotation and solid young talent with high ceilings, particularly Gallo. It sucked to see them get traded for a flashy, shoot-first forward whose hype generally outweighs his statistical production, and an old PG whose style didn’t mesh with ours and who didn’t seem to really care enough to give it his all.
But seriously, who the fuck are Fields, Douglas and Iman Shumpert when we’re talking about Chris Paul?!? This is a PG who has had several legit MVP-caliber seasons already at the age of 26! A player who is significantly better than the two star forwards he’d be joining on the Knicks!
Please, tell me there is not going to be so much agonizing over basically dumping an over-the-hill Chauncy Billups and clearing out our bench to bring in the best PG in the NBA. Seriously. We should be so lucky.
by flossy on Dec 1, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I know they're flawed
But I like watching them play.
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by Chairman Meow on Dec 1, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Believe me, you will LOVE watching Chris Paul play
by flossy on Dec 1, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
watching CP3 DWCP3D will be fun
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Beat me to it.
And I’m not gonna be agonizing about the trade itself… I’ll be agonizing during the days, weeks and months before the trade when that is all many talk about (media folks, not us here as we talk about lots of good stuff of course).
by Zhantee on Dec 1, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with you.
The core we traded for Melo had actually done things to merit our praise. Our current squad hasn’t really done much except get swept by Boston.
I wouldn’t shed a tear.
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by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 1, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
flossy, its not the players so much as the depth you be completely gutting yourself of.
in case you realized it, giving up douglas, landry and shump during a schedule that will include multiple back to back to back nights is imprudent at best. Plus who the ef is your starting Shooting Guard? Bully?
Yeah, the only thing more imprudent than what Flossy is saying would be
not trading away some totally replaceable bench dudes for Chris Paul.
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by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 1, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
The difference between replacing Toney Douglas et al with some vet-min signings
is nothing compared to the difference between not having Chris Paul, and having Chris Paul.
totally agree cp3 is even better than melo and amare and were giving up ALOT less than we did for melo
as much as i love those guys (i really wanted to see how good iman will be and landry keep being landry) its a HUGE upgrade we can fill our bench with anyone
I agree CP3 is better than Toney, Landry and Shump, but right now the Knicks are an already depleted team that...
will extract from its bone marrow just to trade for CP3.
Lets wait till next year. Unlike Melo situation, there is no uncertainty for the offseason of 2012 and Cp3 knows hell only be losing 26 million…an amount he could easily make up with endorsements and additional playoff rounds that he otherwise wouldn’t benefit from in Clippland or NO.
You don't seem to understand
It’s not just that Chris Paul is vastly better than those three. It’s that Chris Paul is vastly better than anyone on the Knicks, and those three are not vastly better than anyone we could sign for the vets minimum to replace them.
Moreover, in order to clear cap space to sign him next summer we would have to get rid of those guys anyway.
Yes they are
They’re young pieces with room to grow and good attitudes who’d be more likely to stick around.
Who the fuck are we going to develop on our team if we get rid of those 3?! We have no other young talent, and God knows we don’t have draft picks. Chris Paul is an amazing PG; top 5 player in the league when he’s at his best. But he’s had ONE MVP caliber season, his numbers have declined noticably since then and he’s had health problems.
Anybody we sign for the vet’s min is just a one year cog before we sweep them out and look for new pieces again.
by WSD on Dec 1, 2011 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
They’re young pieces with room to grow and good attitudes who’d be more likely to stick around.
More likely to stick around how? We’ll have to dump them anyway if we want to clear the cap space to sign him as a free agent.
Do both of their contracts expire after this year?
Legitimate question.
I’m not entirely sure, but based on their draft positions, they don’t get a huge raise on their next contracts, do they? That is, as far as their minimum goes? I know teams could throw a whole bunch of money at them if they wanted, but if we gave them small contracts, then maybe we could keep them?
I won’t argue that, flossy, that’s a good point. However, blowing up the team again doesn’t seem like the answer to me. If we wait until free agency, there’s a chance he gets traded to another team and then at least we still have the Bird rights to those players, and we can just go out and sign other FA’s with the existing money we’d have.
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by WSD on Dec 1, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
Trading for Paul now
And giving up really the only young talent we have, assures that for the length of their contracts, it’s the Big 3 + hand-me-downs.
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by WSD on Dec 1, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
Trading Landry Fields and Toney Douglas is hardly blowing up the team
Face it. Those guys are fun to root for but they are really nothing special. They are what was left over after Denver bent us over and took whatever they wanted. That’s not a coincidence.
The mid-level exception continues to exist, so the Knicks will be able to add players that way as well as by buying low draft picks.
That's the thing though
Trading Billups, Fields, and Toney doesn’t get us Paul. They’ll probably want Iman, maybe one of our big men, and possibly draft picks (whatever is left of them). NOLA would send a scrub or two back with CP3 the way Denver did, but that usually doesn’t get you anything back either.
Also, I think you underrate the youngsters. Landry is a question mark after his disappearing act post-Melo, but TD I believe could become a good player, as could Iman. Last year an ESPN analyst (I forget who, but one of the semi-legit ones) ranked Douglas as an up-and-comer. True, he’s older, but he’s got skills to be a total ball hawk, he’s already got a nice 3, he’s learning under one of the best PG mentors out there, and he’s a hard worker.
The potential of Iman has already been discussed and while he is a question mark as well, you can’t deny potential until you’ve seen it fall short.
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by WSD on Dec 1, 2011 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
i don;t want to argue anything at all
but i want to point out that we don’t have a draft pick that we can trade until the year 2018. thats the same year the latest collective bargaining agreement will expire.
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Yes and that agrees with my point
If the Hornets are willing to do a trade with us, they’re going to want players if we can’t give them draft picks. They’ll likely go into rebuilding mode so they’ll want cap relief (Billups’ expiring), and young talent. The only young talent we have is Toney Douglas, Landry Fields, and Iman Shumpert, and possibly Harrellson or Jerome Jordan. And those guys happen to be our only depth as well
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I'm sure we'll trade that 2018 pick before it gets here as well
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 2, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Nah
Toney Douglas is a 6’2" shooting guard with a bum shoulder, who is only a year younger than Chris Paul btw. If Landry Fields is the player he was 1st half of last season he is basically Josh Childress 2.0, which is nice and all, but whatever. Iman Shumpert, again, has never played a single NBA game. Refusing to trade for Chris Paul on the basis of not wanting to trade a rookie who was a reach at 17 in a weak draft is just absurd, sorry.
Talent-wise, none of these guys is on the level of Gallo, Chandler or Felton. They can be replaced. We might have emotional attachments to them, but that’s kind of irrelevant when you’re talking about the ability to add a top-5 NBA player to your team. I like Toney and Landry a lot but we’ve already gone the superstar route, and Chris Paul is worth pretty much whatever we’d have to give up to get him. If there’s any possibility of trading for him I would drive those guys to the airport myself.
I know you aren't missing the point, but you're side-stepping it
I know none of those guys are on the talent level of Gallo, Chandler, or Felton. However, when we made the Denver trade, it became, “Shit, we don’t have a lot of depth or talent left in our supporting cast. Let’s draft wisely and hope TD and Fields can step their games up”. Well I’d say we drafted pretty wisely, and now’s the season to see what these guys are really worth.
It’s not that they’re talent that we can’t get rid of; it’s that they’re our ONLY depth! Amare, Melo and CP3 is amazing. A team built out of those 3 plus Renaldo Balkman, Andy Rautins, Bill Walker, whatever scrubs NOLA sends us like Willie Green, and then a couple of vets. min players is not.
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I'm saying
We’ll be able to re-stock. You can get decent production out of smart vet min signings (hello, Shawne Williams) and we’ll be able to add bigger pieces via the MLE going forward.
The difference between Chris Paul or no Chris Paul is much greater between, vs. the difference between Toney Douglas and Random Replacement Level Player X. Especially when you consider that Chris Paul’s best talent is elevating the play of random scrubs to the level of at least “average” (see: the New Orleans roster). And at the end of the day Toney and Landry are average NBA players at best, no matter how much fun they are to root for.
Not making the trade doesn't mean our roster is stuck the way it is forever
I’m saying wait until free agency to sign Chris Paul. If all he cares about is money, and he agrees to a trade somewhere else then fuck him; we know where his mind’s at. I said the same about Melo too.
If we miss out on Chris Paul, then there are other free agents to be signed. Or we could look to solidify our frontcourt this summer and sign one of the handful of good free agent centers there are. And then 2012 free agency is a goldmine for talented guards. We can still add solid and reliable depth to our team, and it’s not like we’re gonna be stuck in the mud because we’ll still have Melo and Amare
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"I’m saying wait until free agency to sign Chris Paul."
Why wait another year? Nobody’s getting any younger
I'm not going to explain why wait another year
I think that’s what the debate is about in the first place.
I don’t think we’re gonna convince each other anymore here, so we’ll just leave it at that. And in the meantime I’m going to just enjoy who is on the Knicks currently, and hope that 2/3 of the team doesn’t get traded
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by WSD on Dec 2, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
+100000 Flossy
Everybody repeat after me! Gut that Team Gut that team You gotta GUT THAT TEAM! Hell you are right we can pick a bunch of hobos up off the street and win the Chip every year. NOT #, NOT4, NOT5!!!!!! Paul Melo + Amare roster filler = Championship! Hell we might even be able to sign Jarvis Varnardo to come off the bench. Sorry but I couldn’t help that one!
The team's been gutted dude! Don't act like Toney freakin' Douglas is anything to get hung up on
Oh no, what about the rookie we just drafted who has never played a game, can’t get rid of him!!
However will we replace the 1.8 points per game that Landry Fields gave us in the playoffs???
What if we have to trade our young center who has been tearing it up in the Serbian league?!
Dude I am on your side in this one!
Hell if the Knicks get rid of all those dudes I might have a shot to get a Knicks Jersey for real. Me at shooting guard and Jarvis Varnardo at Center would be sweet dude. Or maybe the Knicks could just petition the league to play 3 on 5!
me too
I am more worried about giving away the meager number of draft picks we have available. As for the talent, Fields was more than any could have asked for last season given where he was chosen and though I’m sure teams would be interested Hornets included, they’ll continue to down play his value because they’ll want to bilk us as much as they can. Much like Denver when they continuously shitted on all our players last year and then all of a sudden they were geniuses for getting such a great return post trade.
As a whole though, this team is far less balanced than the team BC(before Carmelo) and even though I think we have some worthy pieces, it’s far less than what we were working with before. You can’t even compare Chandler/Gallo/Moz/Felt to TD/Shump/Billups
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 1, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
oh
I kinda picked up on that sarcasm kinda late…it is very hilarious though! I’m sorry I’ve been sippin sizzurp…is that how they say it?
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 1, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
Remove those names...
and insert Gallo or Ill-Will… and that’s what we were saying pre-Melo trade.
When* they trade Douglas, Landry and* Shump, it's gonna be hard to be a Knick fan.
But we’re already invested in this superstar-model, hell we can find more young talent, Chris Paul comes around once in a lifetime
Chris Paul comes around once in a lifetime
Bullshit. Maybe in your life time if you’re 12! Damn I saw Oscar Robertson play pal so please spare that once in a lifetime shit. Hell John Stockton was better than Paul. Magic Johnson please Paul couldn’t even hold his dick while he took a piss! So sorry but that is bullshit!
while i agree with you curre about those players being better...
you just listed three of the greatest players of all time. so, if it takes that, maybe we shouldn’t hate too much on paul. that being said, i’m tired of these trade drama situations and would much prefer this went away completely.
"Why does green mean that's the color green? Why can't you say another word for green being green? Know what i'm saying?" - Stephon
"Anyway, you should check out the movie "Black and White," which actually stars Allan Houston. It’s not a comedy, but rather a really serious and emotional movie." - Wilson Chandler
by ny knickerbocker on Dec 1, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
Buddy, Chris Paul is on track to have a career on a similar level with all those players. All of those HALL OF FAME players. Lifetime was the wrong word, once in a generation is fitting though. The point is you get Chris Paul and figure out the rest of the team later, because you can always replace Landry and Shump, but no one in the league at this time with ever play with a better point guard than Chris Paul
You siad once in a lifetime and I have seen all of those guys and a half a dozen more
who could rape Paul and take his lunch money. Hell Paul wouldn’t have been able to dribble the ball up the floor on Clyde let alone stop him at the other end!
and no, it was never this direct with Carmelo it was mostly a not so well kept secret sort of thing
and you know, if it this is for real, cuz you know this sort of bullshit can be bullshit
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I enjoyed this quote:
“Paul’s desire to join the Knicks was cemented after he spent so much time in New York over the summer with close friend Carmelo Anthony.” If that’s true, that adds a new wrinkle to the perennial debate about the +/- aspects of the Melo trade. I mean, if he’s really attracting other superstars, that’s kind of important.
by PolyphonicSpreewell on Dec 1, 2011 3:08 PM EST reply actions
its also all kinds of pause worthy
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
What kind of pause?
Stainer of mountaintops.
by Chairman Meow on Dec 1, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno
it could be the pause that Carmelo has when he spots a fine restaurant.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
LOL
Cmon dude. When did you replace Curre as our resident Old Knick Fan Curmudgeon?
Fish Fingers give me a break.
by GAx on Dec 1, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
GAx ya better recognize
Rorschach44 is the original curmudgeon.
Well actually, stingy d is probably, but he seems to have let up on his curmudgeonisity recently.
"Why does green mean that's the color green? Why can't you say another word for green being green? Know what i'm saying?" - Stephon
"Anyway, you should check out the movie "Black and White," which actually stars Allan Houston. It’s not a comedy, but rather a really serious and emotional movie." - Wilson Chandler
by ny knickerbocker on Dec 1, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
I've been here for a bit, dude, dont worry.
But it’s not as much hilarious acerbic wit as it is angry bitter acerbic wit.
I want to see the first one posting more again. Cmon. Free Bradshaw/Rorschach!
Fish Fingers give me a break.
by GAx on Dec 1, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
no doubt, GAx
i always enjoy your comments, and i certainly wasn’t trying to take aim at you. i was just trying to note that there is a long history of curmudgeons on this site, and we (including you and i both) have always embraced their reality checking.
"Why does green mean that's the color green? Why can't you say another word for green being green? Know what i'm saying?" - Stephon
"Anyway, you should check out the movie "Black and White," which actually stars Allan Houston. It’s not a comedy, but rather a really serious and emotional movie." - Wilson Chandler
by ny knickerbocker on Dec 1, 2011 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
Hey Seth
How do you get a tweet to go full-screen like that?
Knicks Now
http://nyknicksnow.blogspot.com/ - check it!
You posted the link to that Alan Hahn tweet
And when you click on it, it directs you to a page with only that tweet, and it’s displayed full screen. As in you can’t see the rest of his timeline, just the one tweet.
How do you do that? I can’t seem to figure it out
Knicks Now
http://nyknicksnow.blogspot.com/ - check it!
click on the timestamp at the bottom of each post to get the individual link
ex: click on “4 hours ago”
Fish Fingers give me a break.
Hey thanks GAx!
Knicks Now
http://nyknicksnow.blogspot.com/ - check it!
But
Maybe it was because NYC is awesome, not Melo.
I'm the fan formerly known as Serious Garbage Time
by Bernard King's Game Face on Dec 1, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
PLEEEEAAASE PLEEEEEASE!!!
keep shumpert!
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by stingy d on Dec 1, 2011 3:16 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
yea. tough to think about shit now
honestly i’m unmoved tho.
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Sad thing is...
Dolan’s gonna make the decision based on what’s gonna justify his higher ticket prices and get asses in his newly renovated seats not on what is going to necessarily make us a better team. So why not trade away everything we got left to get one more superstar. They’d sell a lot of Chris Paul jerseys…
that's why that titty monster jumped in to do the last trade
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
hee hee, titty monster
SPEND ON BIGS
by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 1, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
And because he jumped in and assumed the position for Denver
the Hornets are going to try to take the negotiations to Jimmyboy ASAP.
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stop giving me nightmares
"Why does green mean that's the color green? Why can't you say another word for green being green? Know what i'm saying?" - Stephon
"Anyway, you should check out the movie "Black and White," which actually stars Allan Houston. It’s not a comedy, but rather a really serious and emotional movie." - Wilson Chandler
by ny knickerbocker on Dec 1, 2011 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, don't shoot the messenger
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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
Dolan doesn't need to justify the ticket prices
The market does.
Dolan will, however, insert himself in the negotiations because he can, and because he doesn’t realize that he is a moron who will screw things up.
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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
Exactly...
Not that I’m against trading for CP but we have to really start worrying about having any depth whatsoever.
depth smepth!
before each the Knicks can hold a raffle and the first 9 fans selected get to play that night.
HAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
“Section 320, Row F, Seat 12 !!!!!! YOU GET TO PLAY CENTER FOR YOOOUUURRRR NNNEEWWW YYYOORRRKKK KNNNIIIIIICKSSSS!!!!”
by robk on Dec 1, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
on the night they play Dwight Howard! lol
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 1, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Here's what I believe is a very fair trade, and one that I'm reluctant to see happen
- The Knicks get CP3
- The Hornets get Chauncey and Clyde’s leopard jacket (but not the tie)
As much as it will all of us to see this happen, it is what needs to be done.
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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
It's actually a suit....
He just chose not to wear the pants!
I'd do that trade
especially since I know that’s not Clyde’s real leopard suit.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
*pain all of us to see this happen
I had a brainfart and left that word out.
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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
i was within twenty feet of him that day
and i am still high off of the aura that shone from him in that suit.
"Why does green mean that's the color green? Why can't you say another word for green being green? Know what i'm saying?" - Stephon
"Anyway, you should check out the movie "Black and White," which actually stars Allan Houston. It’s not a comedy, but rather a really serious and emotional movie." - Wilson Chandler
by ny knickerbocker on Dec 1, 2011 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
So then you understand why it makes for a fair trade
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oy vey
24 hour sports coverage combined with the Knicks actually having the ability to do these things is really too much for me to handle. Really makes me long for the days of Shandon Anderson and Howard Eisley. That being said, if its happening, do it now and save me the agony.
SAVE THE AMNESTY!!
by total hermination on Dec 1, 2011 3:27 PM EST reply actions
They'll wait until the players grow on you and then ship them out for CP3.
Seems to be the case.
Realist.
why do we get so up in arms about this stuff?
you would think from reading some of these posts that Satan just stated that he wants to come here, and spread herpes and limp dicks through out the tri state.
the fact that ANYONE wants to come here after this decade of brilliance we’re coming out of should be considered a good thing.
does it mean maybe giving up someone we have grown fond of? yeah possibly. but you know what, the draft didnt get destroyed in the new CBA. they’ll always be young talent that will make our buttholes drip the days after they’re drafted. fact is tho, talent like we have, like we may have if CP3 comes here, doesn’t grow on trees. so what are you sposed to do if you’re Grunwald and crew? sit on your hands and hold on to mid level talent? or get maybe the best PG in the game, to go along with the best clutch shooter and pure scorer in the game, to go along with one of the top 10 big men in the game, all in their prime?
just. do it.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
CP3 - coming soon to a Garden near you!
we've gotta have X amount of picks
i know you can’t trade like 2 consecutive years of first rounders, or something like that. but you have to give to get. that’s my basic point.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
CP3 - coming soon to a Garden near you!
I wonder
has an NBA team ever started a season in the modern era without a single player drafted by their organization? ‘Cause that looks like where we’re headed.
Well if we trade Landry
Aren’t him and Rautins a package deal…
Only if the Hornets take over their lease
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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
Sounds like some kinda disease...
“Ah SHIT man…. I got the Rautins!”
better get that shit checked out
splinters in one’s hind parts can be awfully painful
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Good to be back fellas.
With that said…..
Chris Paul is unequivocally, undisputably, without fail, my favorite basketball player on the planet. So if he becomes a Knick, I wont care how it happened. I just wont. I dont know if that makes me a bad fan, or whatever. But Im just being honest. I would love for it to happen sooner than later, as the speculation can become too much. But Im just happy to have the NBA and our Knicks back in any capacity.
The Triple Felt Goose movement shall live as long as I am around.
Leverageeee
Now that cp3 did us the favor of requesting a trade to nyk can’t we offer nothing but a milkshake and have them accept? so maybe we wont have to give up all our young talent (great to be back btw)
honestly
i want fields and shumpert. everyone else can be had. even jeffries.
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by stingy d on Dec 1, 2011 3:52 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Jeffries can't be traded he is not on the team!
But that is a good idea if we can trade a bunch of guys not on the roster I am good with that idea.
Exactly...
How about Jefferies and Extra E as well!
yea but neither is shumpert...
let me have fun, at least once!
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The only downside is
Were definitely going fall in love with shumpert….only to see him traded.
I don’t get the idea that we don’t have assets
Landry
Shumpert
Apparently Jerome Jordan is gonna come over and be the “mozgov” of this deal
Douglas
Plus billups who is still a good player….
for what its worth
billups was the second best player in the melo deal. if you ask me.
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Probably
But the only knock on him is his age
If you think those are assets to get an MVP worthy level talent you are out of your mind michael...
by ap3604 on Dec 1, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
The nets had Derrick favours
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by Ozraider on Dec 1, 2011 4:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Derrick Favors who was a first round draft pick who has yet to show anything
but potential. Sounds like Shump. Or Landry. Who finished with more ROY votes, Landry or Derrick Favors?
Get The Frickin' Rebound
and they are really sweating over that decision right now!
but that’s only cuz there not 100% sure he’ll re up…if he don’t ,mass suicides in BK
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 1, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
Even if he demands a trade to NY theres no way in hell the Hornets (being owned by the league) will send him there for a bag of peanuts after going through the whole lockout process to stop this "trade me to a big market" nonsense...
by ap3604 on Dec 1, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Well
Actually the lockout process was to reduce player expense. I don’t know if the NBA’s intention was to stop this kind of nonsense, but the new CBA doesn’t do all that much to actually stop these sort of demands.
I agree that the league could face a backlash if it appears they gave the Knicks a gift. But aside from that, if Paul intends to sign elsewhere, the Hornets have to deal him if they want something in return. And they don’t have the threat of a new CBA to hang over Paul’s head like the Nugs did with Melo.
Not saying it’s going to happen, but it certainly could happen. TD is a guy who played big minutes and hit a lot of three pointers for a playoff team. Fields won rookie of the month twice. It’s suggested that Shumpert, as an unsigned rookie, has no value, but if it was a 2012 first round draft pick on the border of the lottery, it would have a lot of value to a team that’s rebuilding. Think about if the season was over and Paul said he wanted to sign with us – the Hornets would be thrilled to get back all that stuff in a sign and trade.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
Also
Lets lock the membership on this site down
Keep the bandwagoners out
by michael28102 on Dec 1, 2011 3:54 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
this
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman and buck. they suck
Desean Jackson IS a punk
UNLEASH Eli
Jason Peire Paul (JPP) 2011-2012 NFL Defensive player of the year
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Dec 1, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
this
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman and buck. they suck
Desean Jackson IS a punk
UNLEASH Eli
Jason Peire Paul (JPP) 2011-2012 NFL Defensive player of the year
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Dec 1, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
-75000
C’mon people. Enough of this ‘Now that I’m in the club, lock the door’ crap.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
by fuhry on Dec 1, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
seriously, what is this
Fish Fingers give me a break.
by GAx on Dec 1, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
rec’d
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
yeah it don't matter. we'll always know who was here back when it was the qyntel show.
"Why does green mean that's the color green? Why can't you say another word for green being green? Know what i'm saying?" - Stephon
"Anyway, you should check out the movie "Black and White," which actually stars Allan Houston. It’s not a comedy, but rather a really serious and emotional movie." - Wilson Chandler
by ny knickerbocker on Dec 1, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
-75000?
It wasn’t THAT bad of an idea
Just look at tweets like these
DWadesgf116 Charity Love ♥
#oomf a bandwagon fan.. talking bout switching from the celtics to the knicks smh..
So much wrong with that^
P & T has a way
of chasing off the dorks with our special brand of charm and poopspeak.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
I thought we were the dorks?
"It was one of those good, deep sleeps; you know, the ones where you wake up and a stream of drool is steadily racing down your shirt? Yes, that kind of sleep." -Landry Fields
by Thelonious Dunk on Dec 2, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
what he said
(not becoming a knicks fan, fwiw)
i heard the deal was that melo had to ship his head-band in return for paul
melo furiosley declined
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman and buck. they suck
Desean Jackson IS a punk
UNLEASH Eli
Jason Peire Paul (JPP) 2011-2012 NFL Defensive player of the year
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Dec 1, 2011 3:59 PM EST reply actions
Let's get er done
Why not?? one of the best facilitators out there. He’s holding all the cards, because if he doesn’t go where he wants he can just walk to the Knicks this summer. No rush now, but this is gonna get done. Feel good about this year. Melo and Amare together another year, have a good feeling about Iman (if they keep him) got a new D Coordinator and most of our old dead weight (except Will and Ray) is in Denver…Go Knicks!!!
by Jason Bee on Dec 1, 2011 3:59 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
get a room you two.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 1, 2011 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
or not...I like to let Mr. Buttons watch sometimes, no judgements
Mr Buttons is my cat btw.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 1, 2011 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
Not again...
I ain’t even mad though.
Nowadays everybody wanna talk, like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherfu****s act like they forgot about Dre
by King Henry the 2nd on Dec 1, 2011 4:03 PM EST reply actions
You have some fucked up thoughts.
Stainer of mountaintops.
by Chairman Meow on Dec 1, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
yea
kinda worried about injury history. All the more reason to win a chip this year!!! Ride it until the wheels fall off
Win a chip? you do realize we will have to trade everybody and everything not named
Amare and Melo to get this deal done, hell we will probably have to throw Clyde’s gold fillings into the deal. And Now you’re new York Knicks! AT Guard
Chris Paul
At Guard
Billy the pretzel man
At Forward
CARMELOOOO ANTHONYYYYYY!
At the other FORWARD
AMARE STOUDEMIRE!
and at Center Joe the homeless dude from Penn Station.
yeah thats my point...Stat has knee and back issues. now hes gotta play 45 minutes a game. I think the Knicks are at point where they just cant gut the team anymore.
It would simply be counterproductive.
I say we gutted it before gut it again
Sure we will have no depth and no draft picks, no money to get players. But we will all look good in our Jerseys
But we have to have 3 superstars or Chris Broussard won't love us anymore!
How’s your jumpshot Baba, Cause there will be roster spots open and maybe you and I can get tryouts!
I already have a deal in principle
I’m being paid in pretzels by the pretzel guy.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 1, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
Huh?
Wade’s injury history has plenty of spots. Bosh’s has a few spots as well.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
My guess is that they'll amnesty him
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I don't think we'd even get the chance to bid.
Fish Fingers give me a break.
by GAx on Dec 1, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
no way the amnesty him
The hornets are not in the luxury tax, so there’s no tax benefit for them. And they are losing money, so they will not paying this near max contract for Okafor to play somewhere else. Not happening.
But I will tell you this, it is very possible that Okafor will join Paul to New York. The new trade rules in the new CBA actually allow for un-even trades: If before you needed to trade equal value + 25 percent, the new rules are now +50 percent.
So in order to get Paul and Okafor (29 mill for 2011/12) the Knicks need to send only 20 mill in salary (which is basically Billups, Turiaf and Douglas/or Shumpert/or even Fields).
The Knicks’ job is to either flip Billups/Turiaf/etc to something more valuable before they deal with New Orleans OR involve a 3rd or 4th team in the trade.
I didn’t say it will be easy, and I didn’t say we can actually pull it of, but the math works in our favor.
We can afford both?
Because with those four…
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Yes, if we obtain them in a trade (rather than free-agency)
It would mean the Knicks will be paying the luxury tax of 1 for 4 for the foreseeable future, but that’s where we were always heading anyway.
Good to hear
Then merely taking Okafor provides value ti New Orleans. Which should mean that we can keep some of our favorite players.
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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
Don't get too excited
We may still have to send these players to the 3rd and 4th team that we will involve in this trade.
And that Billy the pretzel guy puts a lot of mustard on his passes....
Sorry….had to be done.
I like that Paul is sticking it to Stern...
Like a day after they agree to a CBA that’s supposed to stop this kind of thing. Good stuff.
Except for Balkman too
Nowadays everybody wanna talk, like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherfu****s act like they forgot about Dre
by King Henry the 2nd on Dec 1, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I say
The Knicks should trade Billups (DON’T TRADE SHUMP, PLEASE), Balkman’s dreads, a freestyle rap session with Clyde, and free dating advice from the ultra-smooth Allan Houston for CP3 and a bowl of jambalaya.
Please don't be ridiculous
Jambalaya? Let’s be real. We send all of that, and we get CP3 and a case of Old New Orleans Rum 10 YO. That’s a more balanced trade.
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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
This
is two much to handle two years in arrow. Cp wanting to come is supposed to be a good thing. But if we had to make a deal, i got one that works on NBA trade machine. Leaves us with STAT Melo and unfortunately Dolan as the only guys left.
I don't know how I feel about this.
I honestly could see the Hornets accepting Billups, TD, Landry, the rights #17 pick who might really be good tall point guard. This year, with Billups running the show, they’d probably be kind of entertaining. And I could see them accepting it because they’re going to have to start over and they just want to get on with it rather than stretching it out. The Nuggets had more leverage with Melo because they knew he was desperate to sign his extension before the expiration of the CBA. Paul has no such need.
On the one hand, I think, No, I don’t want to give up any more beloved homegrown Knicks or the chance to see Shumpert develop into something special before our eyes for a ‘superstar’. I went through that last year and I didn’t like it.
On the other hand, maybe the Knicks have made their bed – this is the way they’re going, and perhaps Landry and Toney are just vestiges of last year’s first half squad, hanging around incongruously. Perhaps the Knicks should just go whole-hog into this collecting superstars idea. I don’t much like this approach, but if that’s what they’re doing, that’s what they’re doing and I’ll still be a Knick fan.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
he's posturing right now
he needs to because it’s in his interest to be traded rather than sign in free agency. I doubt he’s really willing to completely ignore that extension, but he’s going to act like he is. Most likely, this is going to get just as annoying and drawn out as the whole Carmelo deal unless New Orleans surprises everyone and just goes for broke to ignore this whole mess.
Anxiously awaiting the day my username will be appropriate
I think they may go for broke.
If they look at how the Nuggets handled Carmelo and how the Jazz handled Deron, I’d have to say the Jazz’s approach is looking mighty nice right now.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
Dear Isiah I know you actually run the Knicks
get it done and get it done now I want this roster gutted and pronto. Don’t worry i am have been working on my jumpshot and I will take less money to play with 3 Superstars!
XD
I play some mean post D and can sit on the bench with the best of them.
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by Ozraider on Dec 1, 2011 4:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I hope the churro is protected.
"See man, that's how I knew he wasn't a dreamer because the day I give up my dreams is the day I have Strategic Grill Location."
- Mitch Hedberg
by Jesus-Zilla on Dec 1, 2011 4:44 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
I just burned my Fields jersey
and I ordered a Shumpert jersey just to burn that too. Why not?
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
In that case, order a Dolan jersey
I know I would.
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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
I wish we were trading Dolan
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Dec 1, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
+10000000000000000000000000000000000
Muhammed Wilkerson is a beast
Yeah we should get rid of the guy who is putting superstar talent on the team
In the quest to win a championship.
Really seems like you would prefer to be a mid seed playoff team every year and lose in the first or second round if we are lucky.
I don’t see much chance of us winning a championship THIS YEAR going in to the season with basically the same squad that lost in the first round last year.
With melo amare and cp3 we can win NOW why waste time these guys are in their prime right now.
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by Ozraider on Dec 1, 2011 5:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Okay then let's put some protection on the rights to his wallet in the trade.
problem solved
Fish Fingers give me a break.
by GAx on Dec 1, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
all speculation
and not much of it true. We don’t know what that other team would do in the future and we don’t know what this Knicks squad will do this year, and we don’t know what the eventual Triple Cheerio team will do in the future.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
We should get rid of the incompetent buffoon who kept the Knicks crappy for a decade
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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
Fair point
I hate him for that too, but we seem to be on the right track now and you can’t deny that Dolan has been willing to spend money to try and win. His biggest mistake was giving the keys to Isaiah.
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by Ozraider on Dec 1, 2011 7:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We're on the right track because of Donnie Walsh
Dolan was likely pressured to hire him by the NBA. Spending lots of money doesn’t help you if you spend it poorly, which is what Donnie had to clean up. With Donnie now gone, we can only hope that Dolan keeps his interference to a minimum.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 1, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
i really want a shumpert jersey
don’t take that chance away from me dolan
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by ny knickerbocker on Dec 1, 2011 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
If we could just keep one of Shumpty, Landry or DWTDD
We could go into the season with a starting 5 of:
Turiaf
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Landry/DWTDD/Shump
CP3
Looks pretty freaking good to me and our supertars actually would fit together unlike Miami.
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by Ozraider on Dec 1, 2011 4:50 PM EST via mobile reply actions
If?
I’d say its a good bet we’d have to throw in Shump, Landry’s and TD’s first born son in the trade as well.
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Possibly
Inthink our best shot is to get a third team involved.
And who knows maybe we might get a steal this time especially considering CP3 seems to have made it clear it’s ‘trade me to NY now or you’ll get nothing’ I know we are scarred from the melo situation last year but it really is a different situation as CP3 doesnt have to be traded immediately to get the extension like melo.
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by Ozraider on Dec 1, 2011 4:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
LOL
the 2nd team, the Hornets, wants no part of the Knicks. How we getting a third team involved?
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Why would the hornets not want to deal with us?
Seeing as that CP3 seems to be saying trade me to the Knicks now or I’m going there in FA after the season and you get nothing it would be in the best interests of the hornets to find a team who wants CB’s expiring contract and is willing to give up a decent piece that that.
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by Ozraider on Dec 1, 2011 5:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The Hornets want what's best for the team
taking a squad of young backups and 2030’s first round pick doesn’t help them.
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True
But losing Paul to the Knicks in FA for nothing doesn’t help them either. As has been stated the Nuggets had the leverage of the new CBA to hold over Melo seems like Paul has already decided he is not signing in NO and he doesn’t care about any potential financial loss and just wants to get here one way or another.
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by Ozraider on Dec 1, 2011 7:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed.
Right now each of them are calling each others bluff. Hornets saying he won’t leave nearly $30 million off the table and Paul saying the Hornets won’t leave something in return for him off the table. Instead of getting nothing.
Realist.
Or they could deal him to another team
for a one year rental and probably get more than they could from the Knicks.
A lot of teams won't take him
IF he doesn’t sign his extension first. They know he will just leave at the end of the season to sign with the Knicks.
So, CP3 basically has a No-Trade clause b/c he can just say, no I’m not signing the extension.
a lot of team would rent him for the season
giving more value than the knicks can and take their chances in the FA,
I'd have to think the Magic, Lakers, Celtics
would try. Maybe the Hawks, Grizzlies, or Rockets? I’m not going to look up trades because I’m lazy, but it wouldn’t take a lot to come up with a better offer than the Knicks.
Nobody is giving up anything of value
without a guarantee that he’ll stick around. The Nets are the only NBA franchise desperate enough to do something like that.
I really think the Magic would try to figure something out
in order to get Paul if it meant making Howard happy.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 2, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed
The Hawks maybe would as well, and I think the Celtics would too. Atlanta is at a point where it’s gotta try and take the next step or break it up and start over.
The Celtics are old and KG and Allen are on the last year of their deals. So they’d give up Rondo and a few filler pieces if they could and then take one last stab at a championship before starting over too
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would be far better than what the Knicks could offer. How does Otis Smith say no to that?
by mr. eggplant on Dec 2, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Why does NO say yes to that?
Put off rebuilding for 2 years with JJ Reddick and Jameer Nelson?
JJ Redick and Jameer Nelson are complementary pieces
If they are your best players, you are losing 55-60 games and getting good picks.
If Paul won’t sign an extension with the Clippers, who can offer the best deal, I think there is something to be said for getting a couple of decent role players so your top five pick doesn’t walk into a completely dysfunctional situation.
The bigger reason N.O. says yes is that Ryan Anderson is a very good prospect, who has a good chance to become a David West like player in a couple years. Anderson alone is worth a #5-#12 pick, even in a good draft.
by mr. eggplant on Dec 2, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
no to the Grizzlies, no to the Rockets
the other four would consider renting him, Atlanta only if they were thinking of blowing shit up if it didn’t work out.
No team is going to rent him knowing he wants to be elsewhere unless they
1) are so stacked they can afford to give away star talent for nothing
and/or
2) are planning to blow the team up if they don’t advance or win a championship anyway.
The Grizz would have to give up talent critical to their current success in the first place in order to get CP, for him to then leave next summer would destroy everything they have accomplished as of late. That’s an easy way for a GM to get fired.
The Rockets are rebuilding and trying to establish a new identity…they gonna need all there picks and they have so little proven talent that even if they got CP it would’nt make a difference. The two best players they have are Scola and Kevin Martin. That’s it. Taking CP for only a few months is more likely to set them back further and piss Paul off. They would be get the best benefit from being a third throw in team to help facilitate a trade to wherever Paul eventually ends up.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 2, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
I also apologise for my previous dumb comment.
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by Ozraider on Dec 1, 2011 5:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
CP3 just wants to be a Knick.
But does he want to give up 30 million in FA?
I’d say the Hornets will call his bluff.
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He wouldnt have to give up all that cash
He can only sign a 1 year extension to his current deal but it’s not like he is not allowed to resign after that contract is up.
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by Ozraider on Dec 1, 2011 5:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yes he would.
In FA he would get 100 million from his old team and only 70 million from a different team.
Realist.
I'm not an expert on the new CBA by any means
But surely if we get him in a trade we would be considered his ‘old’ team when is contract up an would be able to offer him the max deal?
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by Ozraider on Dec 1, 2011 6:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Useful:
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Awesome thanks Seth
Makes a lot of sense
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by Ozraider on Dec 1, 2011 6:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well I thought some of that stuff went without saying.
Of course a trade would give that team his bird rights.
But Seth here are the bluffs…
Trades…
Hornets might want to trade him to somewhere not named New York. But then that team will be unsure if he signs a contract there after. So the trade ideas for New Orleans are now limited with Paul wanting to be a Knick.
So it seems like the Melo deal, Knicks or bluff.
FA…
Bluff meaning Hornets call his bluff and offer him the 5 yr $100 million deal or if he really means it let him walk and he takes the 4 yr $74 million deal with the Knicks.
Overall it’s N.O. choice even if they think they have none by trading him away and not risking the chance of him leaving money on the table.
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If I were them I would
If he leaves they’re fucked either way. I don’t think anything they get back is going to be enough to make them contenders. They’ll probably have to blow the Hornets up anyway, but if he’s bluffing and stays then they’ll be able to retool faster thru free agency and draft
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 2, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
wait?
do you mean the the individual sons of Landry and TD? or the love child of a Landry and TD union? If the latter I would think one Mr. Andy Rautins would have something to say.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 1, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
And how
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by Ozraider on Dec 1, 2011 4:51 PM EST via mobile reply actions
And how much will we have to pay CP3 anyway?
We are already playing Chauncey 14 million this year.
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by Ozraider on Dec 1, 2011 4:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions
we can only afford to pay CP3 13mil if I'm not mistaken
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 1, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
It doesn't matter how much we'll pay CP3
The trick is getting him. After that, the money doesn’t matter for the Knicks.
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If we do an extend-and-trade
We can have him for 2 years (down from 3 years) at 17.5 million per, then resign him after that to a full max with his bird rights.
If he doesn’t extend and becomes a free agent, we could pay him 13 million per for 4 years but the Hornets could give him 5 years at 17 million per. Pretty big difference. The trade is better for Paul if he wants to become a Knick with Melo and Amar’e.
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Just a thought
Do you think Chris Paul is forcing the issue because of this ?
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by fuhry on Dec 1, 2011 4:56 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Good point
He knows he is easily replaced if he doesn’t make it happen right now.
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by Ozraider on Dec 1, 2011 4:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yo guys, Tommy D just said that we'll be resigning Jared Jeffries.
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by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 1, 2011 4:57 PM EST reply actions
never again!
it musn’t happen!
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 1, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
I really can't put up with this again all season
If this fucker can’t just wait one season instead of ridding us of all our assets, then I don’t want him. I’m being 100% truthful.
Well those assets are gone.
Landry, Shump, and TD are the only trading assets the Knicks have right now.
Realist.
Why couldn't Melo wait?
Personally I’d rather have Felton, Landry, Melo, Amar’e, Moz
With Gallo backing up Melo.
Then the Knicks would of been able to trade for CP3 now. And possibly include Gallo in the deal and then re-sign Chandler. I guess the idea of the lockout was another reason that trade went down too.
Realist.
I guess the Knicks were worried that the new CBA would have some sort of franchise player rule where they wouldn't be able to sign Melo'???
Other than that I have NO clue as to why we traded every one of our assets for him last season instead of simply signing him this summer…
by ap3604 on Dec 1, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
simple: win now
i assume the thinking was that with playoffs on the way, it would be better to have melo than to not have him. When you have the chance to trade for a star you want, you do it. When you throw in the CBA considerations, it makes even more sense to “act now.”
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If you have a chance of winning the championship... sure I could agree with that way of thinking
But the Knicks were not winning last year, with or without Melo, so mortgaging away the future and the assets that would have given us that ability to get Chris Paul (Fields + Chauncy + Douglass is NOT going to cut it) seems pretty short sighted by Knicks brass…
by ap3604 on Dec 1, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 1, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
Those guys don't count as 'assets'
in a trade for someone like Chris Paul
Well we aren't trading for him and getting nothing in return
Despite your low opinion on those 3, they are the only young assets we have. I don’t think the plan is to trade Amar’e or Carmelo, so yeah, it’s those 3
by WSD on Dec 1, 2011 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
Hey
a 6’7" rookie starting shooting guard that won rookie of the month twice and is a good rebounder and willing defender is an asset.
A two year pro who is a good defender and can also score with range is an asset.
It’s funny how a first round draft pick is considered an asset, even if that pick is likely to be in the 25-30 range. But a guy that was just picked #17 is somehow not an asset?
Neither Toney, Landry or Shump is remotely likely to be as good a player as Chris Paul, but they are three young players with good attitudes, ability or at least willingness to defend, and ability to score. I think those guys are a step above ‘filler’.
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by fuhry on Dec 2, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You are being quite a homer about this fuhry
Imagine NBA team X wants to put together a trade package for Chris Paul, and they offer in addition to the expiring contract of Chauncey Billups:
- Young Josh Childress (whose stats in ATL were very similar to Landry)
- Shannon Brown (another 6’2" shooting guard a la DWTDD)
- Chris Singleton (picked 18th in the 2011 draft)
- Jarvis Varnado (2nd round pick in 2010, played overseas)
You and I would both hurt ourselves laughing. It is no different in this scenario except we happen to like the players being discussed.
Well, shit.
That’s an excellent point.
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by Thelonious Dunk on Dec 2, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
It is different though
Because outside of the similarity between Landry and Childress, those other players aren’t that similar.
Shannon Brown is an undersized 2-guard, yes, however Toney Douglas already is a better scorer, shooter, passer and defender, and has played the NBA game for 3 years less, meaning he’s still learning. He’s already putting up better numbers than Shannon Brown.
Chris Singleton is only similar to Shumpert in terms of his draft pick number and that they’re good defenders. Otherwise they are not similar.
Jarvis Varnado isn’t like Jerome Jordan except for position and the two things you already listed.
I know your point is that these aren’t irreplacable players, but you’re also negating your own point by calling these players unworthy of a trade for Chris Paul, in which case this whole thing could be put to rest
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by WSD on Dec 2, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Toney Douglas has no more trade value around the league than Shannon Brown
Singleton, Shumpert, Varnado, Jerome Jordan, are all about equivalent. I’m not saying they’re exact same players, I’m listing people who are superficially similar so that you can fully understand how preposterous these Chris Paul trade packages really are. Nobody in the NBA gives a shit about Jarvis Varnado or Jerome Jordan. No other team puts anywhere near the value on our players as we do.
And they are unworthy of a trade for Chris Paul. The only reason we’re even talking about it is because CP is trying to force his way to NY, and only NY, or so it seems. And even then it is wildly unrealistic. Because all we have to offer is a few replacement-level bench players and an expiring contract. In return for the best PG in the NBA.
Your Childress point
only makes sense in hindsight, knowing now as we do that Childress didn’t turn into anything special. But at the time, he might have looked like a good piece to get. Did Childress ever win rookie of the month?
As for TD vs. Brown – I know a lot of people are high on Brown because he’s athletic and looks good dunking, but if you look at stats and actual production, as GM’s might do, TD looks like a more useful player, especially when you factor in his defensive reputation and ability to at least sub at point guard and not turn the ball over a horrible amount. Also, though he’s only a year younger, he’s less of a known quantity and GM’s prefer guys like that.
And sure, Singleton doesn’t look good because we didn’t pick him and haven’t gotten all psyched about him. If New Orleans happened to be high on Shump, as several teams including the Suns were, this would look like a great consolation prize for giving up Paul.
I’m not the kind of guy to advocate deals that make no sense to the other team. I’m just standing in Dell Demp’s shoes and saying to myself, this is not a terrible deal, because I’m getting a great point guard for one season, and 3 young players on rookie deal who are useful teammates at a minimum, and maybe one of them might turn into a star. Adding in the salary flexibility, I don’t think it’s a bad rebuilding type deal. Maybe someone offers something better, but is Bynum and a #27 draft pick that much better?
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I'm really not trying to make exact equivalencies
I’m saying their value is roughly equal. Did Childress win rookie of the month? I don’t think so, but he didn’t end his rookie year in a massive slump culminating in averaging 1.8ppg in the playoffs. Landry’s trade value is just not that high.
Toney Douglas is probably marginally better than Shannon Brown, but that’s my point. Marginally. As in, they’re both undersized SGs in their mid-20s who come off the bench. As for Singleton vs. Shumpert, come on. Neither of them have played. For all we know, New Orleans is lusting after Chris Singleton. But probably neither of them, as both are 100% unproven.
If Dell Demps does this deal it’s not because he looked at our offer and said “you know I actually quite like the cut of Toney Douglas’s sails, and Landry Fields, boy he might really be something.” It’s because he has absolutely no choice in the matter and getting anything is better than getting nothing. That doesn’t mean the trade makes any sort of ‘sense’ for the Hornets.
And yes, Andrew Bynum and a 1st round pick is waaaaay better. Way better. Shit, I’d trade Landry, Toney and Shumpert for Andrew Bynum and future 1st! Are you kidding?
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Five years ago that one day we would have Amare, Melo and possibly CP3, I would have punched you in the face and told you to stop picking on me. The fact that such a thing is even possible today is downright amazing.
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I don't think I can go through this stuff again.
I feel like I shouldn’t get emotionally attatched to any Knick team until 2044 because of stuff like this. When will the starfucking end?
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I'm still not entirely sold on Chris Paul
He is undeniably a system player. Not saying he couldn’t succeed in a system where he isn’t ball dominant and doesn’t run around three screens every possession, but I’m not sure. I would imagine he could do pretty well in the Steve Nash role though.
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Not sold on Chris Paul......
For serial?
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by Ozraider on Dec 1, 2011 6:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yeah
I’m pretty sure he’s the real deal, but I need to see if he can adjust to a system where he isn’t as ball dominant. He’s a little bit of an ESPN darling because he puts up good Hollinger stats.
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okay, I should expand a little
Chris Paul plays for a very flattering system in New Orleans where he gets the ball nearly every possession and has the opportunity to either score or make a pass which is why he puts up big production numbers (ie, comes close to leading the league in PER). They also play in a slow, methodical offense that allows for him to be efficient both with his scoring and passing. He rarely gets turnovers partially because he is a great passer and partially because he makes mostly safe passes. Also, a lot of times he gets counted for the assist even when the guy he passes to has to pump fake or dribble to get his shot off.
Judging by his play at All Star games and Team USA, he would probably be just as effective in a full court team as he is in a half court team because he is so good at running the fast break. He’s obviously a very smart pick and roll player, so I wouldn’t worry about his chemistry with Amar’e at all.
The one thing I worry about is his ability to play off ball. He can’t be as ball dominant next to Carmelo and Amar’e as he was in New Orleans; it would not be good for this team. He has a reputation as a very good shooter, and while he certainly is a pretty good pure shooter (you can tell by his free throw numbers), he is a very short player who does not get much elevation on his jump shot. That limits his ability to play as an off ball shooter because there are going to be a lot of defenders he can’t shoot over.
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I would have to think his shooting would be significantly better
Playing with Amare and Melo as he will get a stack if open looks with the attention they receive.
Surely his efficiency goes through the roof in MDA’s open system and playing with 2 other superstars?
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by Ozraider on Dec 1, 2011 7:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
see, I hear a lot of people say that
“imagine what Chris Paul would do under Mike D’Antoni!” but honestly, I’m not so sure he would be any more efficient. His playing style in New Orleans flatters his efficiency about as much as any system can. He can either take an easy look, dish a pass and get it counted as an assist, or pass to someone else to take the bail-out shot for him. He’s the guy who takes the shot at the end of the game for his team because he can create his offense better than anyone else, but through the course of the game, it’s often his teammates who take the bail-out looks. The thing is, him passing to teammates to take those looks doesn’t show up on a stat sheet, so it doesn’t hurt his efficiency.
I think playing under New York, he’d be something like a 20/10 player with more turnovers than he had in New Orleans, so a little more production and a little less efficiency.
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Don't get me wrong, I am a fan of Chris Paul
and I have been wowed by him over the years (a lot more in 2008 and 2009 than 2010 and 2011, unfortunately), but I am just playing devil’s advocate a bit here.
I have some Bulls fan friends who get frustrated with how ESPN never brings up these points when they do their “who’s the best point guard in the NBA” stuff and act like Chris Paul is a god and criticize Derrick Rose for all his flaws. I see their point. Derrick Rose does not have the luxury of having others to take the bad shots for him, and he is a much better scorer than Chris Paul.
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You don't need a scorer.
CP3 dishes to Melo and Ama’re. That’s the scoring you need. Really no need for another shooting guy when the Knicks are filled with them already.
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CP3 almost beat the Lakers in the playoffs
With David west and a bunch of scrubs! Pretty impressive.
Derrick Rose is a more versatile scorer but CP3 is a better pure point guard and that is exactly what we need. D-Rose may be a better player at this point but i think CP3 is a better fit for the knicks right now.
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by Ozraider on Dec 1, 2011 8:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
he didn't really almost beat the Lakers though . . .
he was incredible two games and then kind of bad the other four, especially game six, but everyone completely left him off the hook for it.
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Maybe
But the fact he was able to drag that bunch of scrubs (and David West) to the playoffs and end up with a better result than us was pretty damn impressive.
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by Ozraider on Dec 1, 2011 8:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
there was no david west. it was carl landry. makes me wonder since they lakers got their clocks cleaned by the mavs if beating them was such a feat?
Yeah that's right West was injured as well
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by Ozraider on Dec 1, 2011 11:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
well, I think it was
the Mavs were really a horrible match up for the Lakers because they don’t have great perimeter defense (part of it’s personnel and part of it’s on Phil) and the Mavs have three super reliable shooters in Nowitzki, Terry, and Stojackovic
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I envision him having the ball in his hands a lot
And distributing the shots between Melo and Amare, I also think he is a pretty good spot up shooter.
Either way these 3 fit together a hell of a lot better than the Miami 3
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by Ozraider on Dec 1, 2011 7:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
well yes, because Amar'e and Carmelo are both capable of playing off ball
Amar’e should play off ball because he’s not a good enough passer to be anything more than a finisher (although, I personally think he should look to continue to progress with his passing so he no longer fits that definition).
Carmelo can play on ball and off ball because he is just an insanely versatile player. The offense will probably be partially run through him (with CP3 setting it up) and partially the Amar’e/Chris Paul pick and roll.
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Then I dont really understand your point about CP3 not fitting?
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by Ozraider on Dec 1, 2011 7:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
oh, I think he could fit pretty well
I’m just worried that when Carmelo’s doing his thang, CP3 will be standing around, being useless. Hopefully he can be a serviceable spot-up shooter.
Philosophically, I also prefer when the play making goes through the whole team rather than one player. A good example is Lebron in Cleveland, shut him down and you shut down the whole Cavs’ offense.
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Yeah i see what you are saying
I don’t really have the same concerns about CP’s spot up shooting I think he can knock Dow open jays all day and all night.
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by Ozraider on Dec 1, 2011 7:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Okay i have had fun with this but seriously
The Knicks will not trade Shumpert or Fields (Fields has little Salary Value) and therefore is not even viable as a throw in which is why he didn’t get moved in the Denver trade. Shumpert is not going to be traded (trust me it just isn’t done)
The deal will be to move Billups, Douglas, and Turiaf’s expiring contract (The Hornets are a lock to lose Aaron Gray as the Wizards are drooling over him and have 11 million to spend.) Those are the Pieces we can move along with Balkman and Walker. We can offer up our 2016 pick but that’s it (we are prohibited from trading 2013 and 2014 belongs to Denver.) So if they want Picks or more we will have to include a 3rd team in the deal.) this move would allow them to write nealy 20mil of the books.
So no Fields, Shumpert Stays. We then use our MLE to get a Big man (Dalembert) Actually If we are gonna get Paul that is what we can offer. Billups, Douglas, Turiaf, Walker, and Balkman and our 2016 pick. The get cap relief and a future first round pick. The Hornets need players to fill out their roster this would do it they could then try and sign D. West and keep it moving. Actually A roster with Billups, D. West, Okafor with TD, Walker and Turiaf off the bench actually could be competitive enough Provided Billups and West stay healthy to still make the playoffs. And then The Hornets would have a ton of money to sign som Free agents next season.
Nice reasoning...
I could live with that I suppose.
We not keeping Fields and Shumpert
The NBA, I mean the Hornets would want those players in return.
And we will have to take Okafor contract (which I don’t mind) thats the price you pay when you get a star. Ask Billups
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by Ozraider on Dec 1, 2011 6:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The only way the Hornets take this
is if they are planning on getting to the lottery next year and build around either Andre Drummond or Anthony Davis.
The Knicks will have to flip some/all of these players for something worthwhile – seems like the more realistic scenario if I was the Hornets. And when I say “Realistic”, I mean something that the Hornets will accept, and not something that the Knicks can easily do.
but if they do get a third team involved
Shump has a good chance of getting shipped as part of the comp for those juicy draft picks
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 1, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
Wow... This sounds so reasonable that...
I wish I could deep fry and slather chocolate all over this post for comfort reading after having a bad day.
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I don’t do that. Cap space is important, but New Orleans is not going to be attracting big free agents to a team that just traded Chris Paul. The Bulls made that mistake years ago. If they’re just going for cap relief they can get it by letting Paul go.
I’d love to see the Knicks pull this off, but a rebuilding team like post-paul New Orleans is going to want some combo of young, cheap promising players on their rookie deals and first round draft picks. That’s the way they’re going to have to go because they can’t rely on signing the big name free agents.
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i agree with everyone that said "oh no, not this again!"
here’s my opinion: either get CP3 before the season, or shut up and don’t trade for him at all. i don’t wanna hear about it, and i don’t wanna get attached to any of these Knicks if they’re gonna be out the door in 2 or 3 months.
i’ll save all of my “this is not the time to trade for CP3” rhetoric for the post when there’s a deal on the table.
by latrell chokewell on Dec 1, 2011 6:19 PM EST reply actions
Quick Question: Since Melo/Amare/Paul are such good friends... what is actually stopping CP3 from taking a contract starting at $13 million dollars a season AND behind closed doors gets paid 2 million/season (4 million total per season) by Amare and Melo?
Kind of like how the Heat guys took less money each to make sure everyone got paid equal.
Is there any sort of checks & balance system to stop this from happening?
by ap3604 on Dec 1, 2011 6:42 PM EST reply actions
I’d assume so.
The issue here is that Miami’s big three is being paid a lot less than our big three.
That allows them to have a supporting cast, where we cant.
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Does the new CBA allow for contracts to be renegotiated?
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by Ozraider on Dec 1, 2011 6:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Damn
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by Ozraider on Dec 1, 2011 7:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not so sure
Paul changes the equation because of his effect on the performance of his teammates which he elevates. More so than any of the Miami Big Three. Additionally Bosh may be severely over valued. I guess we are going to find out. I hope it’s soon.
I could understand that with NBA franchises they always have their bills/salaries being tracked to prevent this...
But I can’t see any way for the NBA to stop a wink’ wink’ deal between players!
Can anyone correct me if I am wrong?
by ap3604 on Dec 1, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
I think
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by Ozraider on Dec 1, 2011 8:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think the way it is usually done
Is that Nike bump up their endorsements by a few million, Using the rationale that CP3 in NY is worth more to them than CP3 in NO.
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by Ozraider on Dec 1, 2011 8:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Because it is nothing like what the Heat did
The Heat trio took smaller contracts from the get go (actually Dwayne Wade made the biggest sacrifice of the three), whereas both Amar’e and Melo took max money. So it really is not fair from Paul’s perspective.
Now since the CBA doesn’t allow restructuring of contracts, doing something like that behind closed doors will be illegal, and I’m really not sure what kind of ramifications this will entail – but I’m assuming it will be severe.
Paul CAN get a 100 million deal from the Knick though.
http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2011/12/01/loophole-could-get-chris-paul-to-n-y/
Get traded to NY, but don’t sign extension. Enter FA as a Knick, get 5 year, 100 million dollar contract.
This scenario assumes Paul tells NOLA he will only go to the Knicks and no where else.
If he's trade - of course
But this is not what we’re talking about. We are talking about him taking the 13 mill a year deal as a free-agent.
This is what people are missing about the new CBA – New Orleans are holding all the cards right now.
The fact that he’s not extending in New Orleans means nothing – nobody is expecting him to. But if he wants max money he needs to re-sign with the Hornets.
And if he wants max money AND to be traded – the Hornets can trade him anywhere they want because his new team now will be the only one who can offer max money.
His only leverage is conveying to the Hornets and their potential trade partners (other than the Knicks, of course) that he will be willing to take less money as a free agent and not re-sign with them under any circumstances.
But since, withe exception of Wade, I don’t recall any star athlete leaving such a large chunk of change on the table, I think it would be clear to everybody that this is a bluff.
The question that remains is
Is Paul really willing to give up 20-40 million to play in NY or will the Hornets cave? Only time can answer.
is it really 20-40mill?
or just 20-40mil on his next contract? Cuz he most def would get a full max on the next one.
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As a free agent
The Knicks can offer him 4 years 55 mil.
With a sign and trade he can get 4 years 75 mil.
Resigning with the Hornets he can get 5 years 99 mil.
that's the first contract
what about the next one? Full max.
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Nothing would stop him from getting the max from whatever his next team is
He can even get max from NY by means of a loophole, if he gets traded here.
but if you compare the total $ he could make
if he would sign next summer a max deal + the the next contract, against less money this summer + the next contract = he is still leaving a lot of money on the table.
The fact he seems to have already decided he is not staying in NO no matter what
Make any potential loss on this contract a moot point.
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by Ozraider on Dec 1, 2011 7:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
not true
From all the teams under the cap next summer the Knicks will offer the least amount of money. So he’ll be losing less going elsewhere.
Also, if he’s traded to a good team (other than the Knicks) and he spends a year there and likes it, and re-sign with that team he will still make max money.
He can only make max money with the Knicks if he’s traded.
And finally, Paul still hasn’t made that decision. A decision is made when you are faced with two final options, right now everything is open, and he (and his agent) can say whatever they like. They can say they would leave money on the table, but until the time comes in which they actually do leave money on the table – nothing has been decided.
that equation seems off
only because he only makes less money this summer if he is traded AND opts out before re signing. So basically the only way he loses money is if he chooses to no matter what team he is on.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 2, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
Nope
In order to get max money he will opt out regardless if he stays or traded.
He will not do an extend and trade because that will give him less money and shorter contract under new CBA, so regardless of where he is in the summer he will opt out. That’s one.
In the summer, he can either re-sign with the team that holds his bird rights (either the Hornets or the team that traded for him), that will give him max money.
However, if he chooses to sign with another team he will get less money.
And if he chooses to sign with the Knicks (unless the Knicks is the team that traded for him – in which case the Knicks will hold his bird rights) he will get even less money than that because the Knicks can only offer 13-14 mill for the first year.
In other words the only way he doesn’t lose money is if the Knicks are able to trade for him now. In any other scenario Paul will sacrifice quite a lot of money to play for the Knicks.
assuming he maintains the same level in 3-4 years then yes
he will get a max deal on his next contract, but that will not offset the $ loss during the next 3-4 years. So there’s an IF and a NO.
Your guess is as good as mine
The Knicks’ job is to come up with a package that will be desirable for the Hornets, I think playing hardball with them will not work. There are other teams that can both offer better assets right now AND provide Paul with a big market and a chance to win.
The Knicks will need to do two things: 1) find a 3rd or 4th team that is able to send a marquee player New Orleans’ way AND 2) absorb Okafor’s contract.
That’s the only way the Hornets will okay this deal right now and prevent this dragging out for until next summer.
For example, if (I’m not saying its an actual possibility) the Grizzlies want to get rid of their long term commitment to Rudy Gay, or the Hawks want to get rid of either Joe Johnson or Josh Smith, and therefore interested in expiring contracts (Billups and Turiaf), and we can send one of these “All Stars” to New Orleans and take Okafor off their hands, I think they take it.
I’m not saying either of the above options are realistic, but that’s the type of move we need to look for.
Interesting idea, but I don't think there will be many teams shopping for expiring's
NOH needs players not expiring contracts. Just like the Cavs Raptors & Nuggets massive cap room is of little use for teams that FA’s don’t want to go to.
A quick look at team salaries, there’s a couple of tax teams but they aren’t cap trade partners (Lakers, Magic, Spurs, Celtics). The Blazers already have their plan and sending expiring to the Mavs aren’t really going to deliver the value you want (Haywood and…. nobody else).
I’ve mentioned before Gay is an amnesty possibility; but realistically the Grizz aren’t going to dump Gay simply to dump him. If they want cap relief after re-signing Gasol they’d look to trade Gay for players & picks; especially with the 150% trade match. The Grizz could choose to trade Gay and his $15m contract and return role player(s), role player(s) plus picks or plus future 1st round picks totalling a value of $10m.
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The only reason I brought up Gay is how well Memphis did without him in the playoffs, and what their payroll will look like after they give Gasol a big contract this summer. And I concede, that even if Gay was on the market, I’m not sure the Knicks have Memphis is looking for.
And I didn’t say its going to be easy, and I didn’t say it’s going to get done. What I’m saying is that this type of deal will be necessary to get Paul. And that the likelihood of that is rather slim, though, I’m will be extremely pleased if Knicks management will surprise me here.
And I don’t think Gay is an amnesty possibility, I don’t think Memphis (even after signing Gasol will be in the luxury tax territory), so if he goes its through a trade.
Tommy D is one day behind me for the second straight time
First with Brendan Haywood and now with the Rudy Gay scenario.
At least I conceded that both cases are extremely unlikely, but you can’t fault him for his enthusiasm.
No team just gives up stars for cash reasons.
Guys like Gay and Smith are not being amnestied or traded without their team getting good compensation.
Also Gay is the best player on Memphis, he isn’t going anywhere. Just because Memphis made noise in the playoffs without him doesn’t mean they are going to dump him.
Fair enough
But those guys were more the exception than the rule. Plus Smith and Gay are more important to their respective teams.
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Too bad too because New Orleans is an awesome party town
Especially if you have the money to live in the French Quarter… wow!!!
Second only to my beloved Rocky Mountains and Manhattan (though the Big Easy could make a serious run at passing the Big Apple)
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Please Already
C.Paul is a little bitch midget that would not fit in with the NYC scene.
Nobody is coming to paly with C.Paul in New Orleans.
Hmmm.
In 2011 and 2012 T.Douglas/PG and I.Shumpert/SG as our second unit backcourt works.
In 2012 D.Williams/PG and O.J.May/SG as our first unit is like Frazier/Monroe.
Bring it Baby!
Remember we could have D.Williams by trading Stoudemire this for Howard and then shipping Hollywood Howard to L.A. for B.Griffin and C.Kaman.
C.Kaman makes 12 million and then becomes a F/A in 2012.
C.Billups makes 14 million and then become a F/A in 2012
Hello Everybody!
Can we say in 2012
D.Williams/O.J.Mayo/C.Anthony/J.Jordan/B.Griffin
T.Douglas/I.Shumpert/L.Fields/I.Shumpert
Damn good to team to me with Boston old, Philly in disarray, Toronto in disarray, Brooklyn showing off a new arena.
Long Live Mayo!!!
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 1, 2011 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
OJ will be transcendent, beyond man and myth
He will be… Clyde Monroe!!!
Or
Earl Frazier… 220, 221, whatever it takes
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LOL at O.Mayo being like E.Monroe
or is he gonna be C.Frazier? Or is he none? He’s none.
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 1, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
He may be a hard ass, but Ror is one of the biggest Knick fans here.
You should go be a Brooklyn Nets fan like you’ve been preaching about.
Realist.
rorschach44 is NOT a true knicks fan for the following reason – he doesn’t know that OJ MAYO will be like Monroe and Frazier COMBINED. any REAL knicks fan would know that oj mayo would slap the shit out of michael jordan in his prime. hell he could even take on jordan AND KOBE, 1 vs 2.
It would be remiss of me not to mention
That New York is kind of a mustard town. If you order a pastrami sandwich with mayo, and then the waiter kills you, he cannot be prosecuted. True story.
So I don’t know how a guy named Mayo possible fits in NY. Maybe Indiana, I don’t know.
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Pastrami with...mayo??
fuhry that’s the most offensive thing I’ve ever read from you. Who does that?
Fish Fingers give me a break.
Exactly my point
Mayo is not welcome in many parts of New York City. If O.J. Mayo were traded here and wandered into the carnegie deli by accident and brushed up against some Pastrami, his career would be over, and I don’t think the Knicks want to carry that kind of insurance.
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none
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 1, 2011 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
can we say in 2012...
i dunno man, sounds like a mouthful. you didn’t even leave any pauses in there!
…pause
by latrell chokewell on Dec 1, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
Wait, wait
All those moves, yet Jerome Jordan is starting PF?
No Silly
In 2011 he is backing up C.Kaman at center and giving us quality minutes every night.
In 2012 he takes over starting at center with Kaman gone to free up salary cap for D.Williams.
Ok then, follow up question.
Jerome Jordan as starting C??
"and giving us quality minutes every night"...
Are you playing this in your head? if so how far ahead are you? who won the championship in 2017?
wait...wait, Chris Kaman is in the equation now?
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 1, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
Where does the CP3 hate originate?
Nobody would go to Cleveland to play with LeBrin either…….hmmmmmm
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by Ozraider on Dec 1, 2011 7:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
totally unfair actually
when’s the last time since Paul arrived to New Orleans that the Hornets had enough cap space to actually be active in the free-agency market?
I don’t they were ever under the cap since 2006, and definitely never were so far under the cap that they could attract (with him lobbying) another superstar.
So saying that nobody wanted to join Paul has actually no merit what so ever.
+1
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by Ozraider on Dec 1, 2011 7:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Agree totally.
Or has everyone forgotten that the reason the Hornets are now owned by the league is because their previous owner was George Shinn; second only to Donald Sterling as truly truly bad NBA owners… bad on a historical scale
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I think the fact the NBA 'owns' the team is being overstated
The NBA may own the team but they are not RUNNING the team, the general manager is running the team and the ownership situation is a complete non factor.
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by Ozraider on Dec 2, 2011 12:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Welcome back
Now for the last time….no one wants OJ Mayo and Chris Kaman even if they are like MJ and Shaq
How about Chris Kaman... but only at Halloween?
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No it didn’t, at least not publicly (privately I’m the very same words were spoken); but it was a different situation. There was the CBA upcoming and potential threats of Franchise Tags and Contract Rollbacks were looming; so Melo’s deal had to be handled with more finesse… at least in public.
In the Melo situation you also had the Nuggets organization prolong it entirely too long trying to force Melo into accepting a trade to a franchise he refused to go to (Nets & Clipppers specifically).
So in essence, Melo was turned into a villain because the Nuggets owner and real henchmen (not poor Ujiri or Son of Stan that are propped up as puppets) decided to be childish Flakey A-ho’s
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Here's the dea... part of the rumor mill is that Paul has been telling Howard they need to play together
And Paul wants to play in NY
so…
Melo and Amare agree to re-negotiate their contracts to $14.5million dollars/yr. NY then signs CP3 & Howard for matching $14.5million dollar contracts.
NY has Melo, Amare, CP3 & Howard on the books for a combind $58million, still slightly under the cap. Then they fill out the rest of the roster with Fields and sign whatever veterans they can with the MLE and veteran minimums.
I’m sure Czar Stern would rubber stamp the Amare/Melo contract re-writes… he seems like a nice guy… misunderstood of course, but nice.
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"Yes everybody does have an opinion; but that does not make your opinion any less wrong"
"That ought to stop your bitchin"
"And, please remember, ignorance is not a defense"
That would be a gold plated chocolate covered Bite Me Love Letter to Pat Riley!!!
And a Happy Holiday to all
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True, though Dolan has the money
I’m sure he and ESPN can join up and negotiate an exception
And I’m sure Melo & Amare would be on board because they seem like nice guys and want to hang out with their friends… ok I can’t shovel any more of this… it was a worthy effort
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"That ought to stop your bitchin"
"And, please remember, ignorance is not a defense"
Yes, that's what we were just commenting on
It was more a bit of happy trail dreaming
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"Yes everybody does have an opinion; but that does not make your opinion any less wrong"
"That ought to stop your bitchin"
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I agree with that exception and different than the Melo trade last year there isn't the intimidation and threat of a franchise tag or contract reduction hanging overhead
The lynchpin to that scenario is NOH. They’d have to be willing to not be Flakey A-Ho’s and just trade him now. I read where there is a six month hold on that kind of a deal preventing the receiving team from signing & extending. That could handcuff NY from being able to make any other deals.
But ideally Paul could just choose to not opt out, get $17mm next year and extend with NY after that. With injuries and real life stuff that could happen that’s a huge risk for Paul to take.
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"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Franchise Tag: Enabling Incompetent Owners to remain imcompetent"
"Contenders do; pretenders give excuses why they did not"
"Yes everybody does have an opinion; but that does not make your opinion any less wrong"
"That ought to stop your bitchin"
"And, please remember, ignorance is not a defense"
And next week's hot topic will be
Every team talking to Phoenix about trading for Steve Nash!!!
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Franchise Tag: Enabling Incompetent Owners to remain imcompetent"
"Contenders do; pretenders give excuses why they did not"
"Yes everybody does have an opinion; but that does not make your opinion any less wrong"
"That ought to stop your bitchin"
"And, please remember, ignorance is not a defense"
You do really have to hand it to the slick haired pompous punk that is Pat Riley
He setup and played FA Frenzy 2K10 brilliantly.
Other teams, such as NY, had comparable cap room carved out; but the one advantage he had the other teams didn’t was he already had one piece of the puzzle who was completely on board… being DWade.
The best Chicago could do is package 2 superstars (DRose and another), NY could only package 2 (both new signings… ultimately Melo & Amare); the Nyets were a lost cause from the get go.
But RIley could, and did, package 3 superstars (yes whiners, Bosh falls under that category), do it all together for a group discount (which NY couldn’t do) and still have room to build and a 1 year head start over everyone else.
He be a jerk, but ya gotta give a tip of the cap to the man
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Franchise Tag: Enabling Incompetent Owners to remain imcompetent"
"Contenders do; pretenders give excuses why they did not"
"Yes everybody does have an opinion; but that does not make your opinion any less wrong"
"That ought to stop your bitchin"
"And, please remember, ignorance is not a defense"
Very interesting development with DWill drawing a line in the sand with the Nyets
That team can’t seem to catch a break; though I wonder if Nene will end up either in NJ or GSW
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Franchise Tag: Enabling Incompetent Owners to remain imcompetent"
"Contenders do; pretenders give excuses why they did not"
"Yes everybody does have an opinion; but that does not make your opinion any less wrong"
"That ought to stop your bitchin"
"And, please remember, ignorance is not a defense"
Just like Melo really wanted to stay in Denver
And CP3’s heart is really still with NOH.
If it was only about money, DWill would never have left Utah. The Jazz has always taken care of their players.
DWill is playing it smart. Opt out, Bird sign for a better deal – smart good planning
Backup plan is if the Nyets still cannot bring in valuable pieces DWill has the ability to leave – again smart good planning
I just don’t think it’ll come to that, I’m suspecting Nene will end up either with the Nyets or GSW. If the Nyets whiff on Nene then Chandler is rumored as a good Plan B. And neither signing prohibits the Nyets from acquiring Howard, though Howard and Chandler together may a bit problematic to play together. The same problem does not exist with Nene, he has always been a natural PF that Denver always played out of position.
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Franchise Tag: Enabling Incompetent Owners to remain imcompetent"
"Contenders do; pretenders give excuses why they did not"
"Yes everybody does have an opinion; but that does not make your opinion any less wrong"
"That ought to stop your bitchin"
"And, please remember, ignorance is not a defense"
In the new CBA
opting out is always going to get you a better contract than signing an extension.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
Dwill was traded pre-emptively.
Nobody will ever know for sure if Deron was planning on leaving.
But he was probably leaving based on things he’d been saying the prior couple years.
Fish Fingers give me a break.
Boozer skipped, Jerry Sloan got tired of the backroom drama and retired
And there has never been a tougher SOB in NBA History than Sloan so the drama must’ve been nasty for him to say No Mas
There were major league storm clouds over SLC last year. The Jazz chose to cut & run at the right time because there was rumoring going on that DWill would opt out. It was just quieter because of the LeBron thing and then the Melo thing all going on.
I think a good choice on their part.
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Franchise Tag: Enabling Incompetent Owners to remain imcompetent"
"Contenders do; pretenders give excuses why they did not"
"Yes everybody does have an opinion; but that does not make your opinion any less wrong"
"That ought to stop your bitchin"
"And, please remember, ignorance is not a defense"
Nene will end up back in Denver....
I feel sorry for the Nets. Maybe the move to Brooklyn will get them some interest.
???
Nene said he feels underappreciated in denver and is just as much interested in the Nets as they are in him
Welcome to Nets City
I think he's just trying to use some muscle
To get some more cash but I could be wrong. I’d love to be able to walk 8 blocks to see Nene play though so I’ll be happy if he ends up in Brooklyn!
No, he's been treated as the 5th wheel in Denver since KMart was s&t 7years ago
Being pushed to the back of the room during the Melo-drama last year was the last straw.
The Nugs said they wouldn’t extend Nene until they resolved Melo. Once Melo was resolved they then said they wouldn’t deal with extending until offseason.
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Franchise Tag: Enabling Incompetent Owners to remain imcompetent"
"Contenders do; pretenders give excuses why they did not"
"Yes everybody does have an opinion; but that does not make your opinion any less wrong"
"That ought to stop your bitchin"
"And, please remember, ignorance is not a defense"
Really?
I live in Denver, I’ve sat back and watched the drama and bad leadership and bad ownership and how they treated Nene for the last nine years.
Nuggets ownership made the decision a few years back to put out as cheap of a product as possible, average 12,000 attendance and continue to draw profit. That’s why Melo left, that’s why Nene is leaving, that’s why no relevant FA has considered signing with Denver since Andre Miller.
I’m basing my judgement on observing the entire soap opera.
I’m not trashing your opinion, just curious what you are basing it on.
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Franchise Tag: Enabling Incompetent Owners to remain imcompetent"
"Contenders do; pretenders give excuses why they did not"
"Yes everybody does have an opinion; but that does not make your opinion any less wrong"
"That ought to stop your bitchin"
"And, please remember, ignorance is not a defense"
And my reward for being right will be an even crappier home team product
So I’m not real jazzed about being right
And Nene will still end up signing with the Nyets… or the Warriors… or possibly even agree to a S&T to Houston
Lucky lucky me!!!
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Franchise Tag: Enabling Incompetent Owners to remain imcompetent"
"Contenders do; pretenders give excuses why they did not"
"Yes everybody does have an opinion; but that does not make your opinion any less wrong"
"That ought to stop your bitchin"
"And, please remember, ignorance is not a defense"
You're probably right....
I was just basing my comment on a not well thought through hunch. Feel bad for Mozzy and Danilo if Nene leaves as there’s not a whole lot left without Nene, Kmart, Will, and JR.
im willing to sacrifice the drool worthy landry
for my man with those dreamy eyes- C.P.3!
Ladies love cool chris
Voice of A Female Knicks Fan...
Im just worried how rautins will take it
by michael28102 on Dec 1, 2011 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
Like he always has
With typical Canadian stoicism.
I dunno
Rautins looks like he’d cut a fool if he act funny
I found Carmen SanDiego! Guess Where? Go Ahead...That's Right..SanDiego.
www.indiscriminateswag.blogspot.com
by Lord Smackington on Dec 2, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
Actually
Rautins has a deep sense of insecurity due to the fact that Landry is two inches taller than him, and Shumpert is also an inch taller than him and it’s driving Andy into a tailspin. So if Paul arrives here, it could give Rautins the little ‘at least I’m taller’ bump his ego desperately needs to begin building some NBA confidence.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
"Did the pre-Melo hype ever get that straightforward?"
No, it did not it was always like “I want to be traded to the Knicks or maybe the Nets, whoever wants me more, they can fight it out” I still can’t really get excited about Carmelo because of that.
Noooo
develop Shump—wait and assess at the end of the year…the price is too high both in compensation to the New Orleans an to CP
I love the idea of CP3 being a knick...
But I dont like holding my breath all season, talking (is that possible?) If it’s gonna happen, make it happen ASAP otherwise, just leave it alone and play
"If it ain't broke, don't break it." -Charles Oakley
by Tony Marciano on Dec 2, 2011 4:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions
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