A Summary of the Moves the Knicks Are Making (Updated at 11:52 AM)
by Seth on Dec 10, 2011 9:04 AM EST
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PrintMorning, seahogs. Things seemed uncertain for a second there, but it appears that the Knicks have made their big moves, with a few smaller ones still left. Let's run through them. I'm never certain whether these things have happened or are merely agreed upon, so we'll just use the present tense.
- The Knicks shed the $14.2 million expiring contract of Chauncey Billups via the amnesty clause.
- The Knicks withdraw their $1.1 million qualifying offer to Derrick Brown, who becomes an unrestricted free agent (and returns to Charlotte).
- The Knicks trade Ronny Turiaf and cash to the Wizards for a trade exception of some sort.
- The Knicks sign Tyson Chandler to a four-year, $58 million contract. (Official announcement/introduction forthcoming). (Update: Press conference at 2)
- The Knicks sign Jared Jeffries to a one-year, $1.4 million contract.
- The Knicks sign Iman Shumpert and Josh Harrellson to rookie contracts.
And here's a big one:
- The Knicks buy Jerome Jordan out from the Slovenian club KK Krka. No details on his contract yet, but it's happening.
Meanwhile, Mike Bibby is headed to New York this morning. It does sound like the Knicks are serious about signing him, despite everybody's professed confidence in Toney Douglas. I will save any thoughts about a Bibby signing for when it actually happens.
Without Bibby, the Knicks roster stands at 12. Shawne Williams is still out there, waiting, pooping in the corner.
Update: One reporter says that Andy Rautins will be sent to the Mavs in the Chandler deal, but that they'll buy him out. Very curious to see what would happen thereafter.
Update again: Berman confirms and adds that a sign-and-trade with Rautins might preserve the Knicks' mid-level exception? That'd be terrific (and VINTAGE Grunwald. My man.).
Nevermind. Rautins is gone, though.
Or maybe so? I ought to just shut up and wait, eh?
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- 1.4m is vet’s min right?
- Are there details of the Turiaf deal out there yet? Getting a trade exception for the value of his contract would give us a lot of mobility in the trade market wouldn’t it?
TYBG
Trade exception, you say?
Ramon Sessions, come on down
i think trading with the cavs is out
dan gilbert seems dead-set on not allowing big markets an inch.
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But they have so many point guards!
Okay Luke Ridnour? Maybe Kahn will help a brother out?
kahn is a loose cannon
thats a possibility. ridnour would fit here. but they actually don’t have much point guard depth, its rubio and ridnour, thats it.
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Yeah, but like you said
Kahn changes his mind every few hours, for all we know he could be ready to dump Ridnour and use the TPE to get another mediocre PG
TYBG
I dream of one day sitting in on a Kahn negotiation and trying not to laugh
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 10, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Ridnour was originally the Knicks' target last summer
But then they decided to go with Felton, who in my opinion is much, much better. But anyway, yeah, picking up another PG like Ridnour or Sessions or somebody would be most helpful. I’d feel alot more confident
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what if we throw in a SUPERmarket?
gilbert would probably wet his pants at that opportunity…fresh milk, produce, and a prepared foods section!
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by ny knickerbocker on Dec 10, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
I’m sure Dan Gilbert can’t wait to improve the Knicks! What are they giving him?
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I'm suspecting Danny Gil to not amnesty the Baron simply out of spite... ate least for this year
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"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
Someone on the Cavs
Also mentioned that Davis could become a valuable trade piece as the year goes on, so yeah, that actually isn’t a terrible basketball decision if they didn’t amnesty him
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hell yeah... been wanting ramon...
think he’s ready to evolve.
by bucketsncents on Dec 10, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
If Pringles is for real with this Carmelo being a larry bird type point forward
this kind of makes sense. Bibby can shoot. And since Carmelo’s not always gonna be with the rock (and not just after he chucks), Bibby maybe can remember how to run PnR with Mare, who’s probably the closest thing to CWebb he’s had in ages. But that’s grasping for straws.
Still don’t think Bibby’s an answer. He’s probably gonna turn out to be that dude that’s supposed to be a good shooter but bricks all the time like Roger Mason.
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And as a 1st hand witness, Melo does have very strong passing skills and is willing to pass
He’s just always been surrounded by players that either had hands of stone or would never pass the ball back. So after awhile he got tired of passing and would take care of business himself.
Which, if you ever saw the roster he had in Denver was probably a wise move
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
last year bibby played for 3 different teams
he made 153 out of his 348 three-point attempts. good for 44% on the nose. for his career he shoots 38%. in the playoffs he was 17-66, just under 26%.
he’s never been a high assist guy, but he’s always a been a relatively low turnover guy. his defense is laughable, except when he’s on your team, then its headachey.
i don’t like bibby. but it could be worse.
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Finally buying JJ - sweet!
If he sucks, at least now we’ll know, but I think he’ll be serviceable. Let coaching get at him for a month and he’ll be a SG by valentines day. Jk
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 10, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
man i love charmin
just not on the HARDWOOD…get it? HARHARHARHAR
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by ny knickerbocker on Dec 10, 2011 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
I'm excited to see what JJ's got too.
As long as he can be some sort of presence around the rim I’ll be happy.
by Crackback on Dec 10, 2011 9:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
It might help Jordan that Harrelson is also here
Having them both be mentored under Tyson and Amar’e will help, and I’m sure they’ll have moments of going against each other in practice and scrimmages and such. It could make them each up their games
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Man...
we’re fucking BIG.
Amare, Chandler, Jordan, Jeffries, Harrelson. ….POOPE.. : / (please come back)
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Yeah!
Gotta say this too: having Landry, Melo, Amar’e, and Tyson all in the starting lineup makes us a good rebounding team (I would imagine).
Landry and Melo are good for 5-8 a game, Stat is usually 7-10 a game, and Tyson is usually 9-11 a game. That should be pretty good
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Whoa sorry for the double post - don't know how that happened!
I was gonna say at least now we can find out what we got
Julyan Stone?
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we traded him too huh
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 10, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Why would he go there knowing they have guards
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We still lack legit 3 point shooters...
With our current roster.
Unless D’antoni plans on running a different system.
My Wife is a Patriot's fan...
Hey, TD can shoot fellas, if he stays healthy with the shoulder
And Bully can also be ruthless if he keeps his head about him. Melo was doing quite well in this offense from the perimeter while teams were camping out in the middle, Amar’e will be dropping elbows like gangbusters and now teams have to respect the middle. We’ll actually be able to rebound our errant 3’s as long as we discontinue the run up the floor and chuck crap. If TD decides to throw up one of those midair ghastly cross court passes, there at least will be a tall people to catch them (we hope). With Chandler we have the ability to space the floor better and peeps have to respect the middle, this should get us better shots. I’ll bet MDA’s changed his shorts 5 times already just thinking about it
TD, Landry, Bully, I think we'll get Poope back
Bibby can shoot and Carmelo’s wet all the time too. Maybe Amar’e’s gonna be allowed to drain more from 3.
We got 3pt shooters.
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 10, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah people forget Landry's a reliable shooter if left open
We know TD is a marksman, Melo practically couldn’t miss from 3 last year when he got traded, Bully runs hot and cold from out there, but he’s got the ability, and that’s part of what Shump has been practicing all lockout. In the last video he posted he looked wet from outside
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I really want poope back.
Hes like our grant hill iof the frontcourt
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
We will run a different system
But we still need shooters
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Don't get the hate for Bibby
If he’d be asked to play starting PG next season then fine, but he’s being added as veteran depth. He’s a good 3 point shooter and will probably be backing up TD if nothing else is done in the offseason. Solid pick-up for veteran’s min.
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Chandler press conference is later today
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jared jeffries gets 1.4m?
i wish i was 6’11
chillin in beijing most likely
nuggets won’t let him walk no matter what happens.
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i would assume but don't know
also china seems pretty adamant about not letting players out of their contracts
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its 600k buyout right?
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
i think its probly more than that
and probly its the entire contract because china is like that, but whatever it is, nba teams can only commit 500k to the total
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If there's one country that doesn't play games its China
You play, great. You don’t play you sit and wait and they won’t let you out
A huge slice of grandma-slap wake up to the real world grown up lesson to KMart and JR Smith.
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
smokin it up in Beijing
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
phew
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As for all the Mike Bibby chatter, he’s under consideration by Knicks. But nothing certain.
Mike Bibby?
What have we done to deserve this? Just get Baron Davis as our starter, Douglas remains our backup, what can go wrong with that tandem?
by Guess Who's Back? on Dec 10, 2011 10:15 AM EST reply actions
so
Is Rautins still on our team or did he go to dallas in some sort of s and t
Get The Frickin' Rebound
How that guy
Made more money than Fields after he only appeared in five games and Fields in all 82 is beyond me
by Guess Who's Back? on Dec 10, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
i thought they made the same amount?
also you get paid to appear in the rookie game and stuff like that.
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Rautins = $600,000
Fields = $473,604
by Guess Who's Back? on Dec 10, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
oh wow
thats significant. well they’re next contracts will be very very different
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Rautins was drafted before Fields. (on purpose I think)
Y’all know how price drops significantly the lower u drop in the draft
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
THEY WERE BACK TO BACK PICKS!
Is that the difference between 127,000 dollars?
by michael28102 on Dec 10, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
I'm gonna guess
This is Andy Rautins’ last NBA contract
they sign the contract before the season
and Rautins was picked before Fields.
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 10, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
I just checked in on irepshawnewill3. He's getting pretty weird.
He says he’ll kill himself if Poope doesn’t re-sign with us. Also, he’s talking about how we need Poope to be our backup shooting guard?
SPEND ON BIGS
by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 10, 2011 10:22 AM EST reply actions
What say all of you to Pooh Jeter?
SPEND ON BIGS
by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 10, 2011 10:22 AM EST reply actions
Admittedly, Jeter can shoot well.
And it would be dangerous to have two guys on the floor who couldn’t shoot at the same time (Chandler/Jeffries & Jeter). It would make us very easy to guard.
But this kid is a heck of a passer.
SPEND ON BIGS
by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 10, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
*I mean "Jeter CAN'T shoot well"
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by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 10, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
its gonna be rarer then rare
to have chandler and jeffries on the floor at the same time. stingy garuntee.
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What I meant was, he'll probably always be on the floor with a big man who can't shoot.
Meaning if we put him out there with the starters, he’d be with Chandler.
If we throw him out there with guys off the bench, he’d be with Jeffries.
Either way, he’s always going to be one of two guys (at least) who can’t shoot, and that’s one too many.
SPEND ON BIGS
by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 10, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
i guess i'm thinking this
mike bibby for one year i’ll survive, but i’ll hate it.
i would do what it takes to get baron davis (not via trade).
and other than that, i wouldn’t really commit to anyone (except shawne williams), and maybe we can buy a late first round pick. next year. its not ideal. but we’re set. we’ll get the little things we need in due time.
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Blast from the past
T-Mac to the Hawks
Vinsanity to the Mavs
That only leaves Iverson as the only" used to be one of the best players in the league but now is a role player" on the market
by Guess Who's Back? on Dec 10, 2011 10:40 AM EST reply actions
PG is not going to be a major issue for this team
TD, Bibby, Shumpert can do just fine in this league playing with a front line of Chandler, Melo and Stat. The Knicks have gotten better and much younger. Bibby doesn’t need to play major minutes he can be a veteran coach for TD and Shumpert. Carmelo in a point forward role could be a brilliant move.
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but ultimately i couldn't care less
i wanna know what is the deal with avon.
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I don't know
I think the new CBA states that guys who are traded and waived have to wait a year to rejoin their original teams. Used to be 30 days.
Andy Rautins Knick career could be in jeapordy.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
His Knick career in jeapordy?
He never had a career with us to begin with
by Guess Who's Back? on Dec 10, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
at least Landry can focus more on basketball instead of his internet show
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 10, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Dallas is one of the three teams allowed to talk to Dwight Howard
Gonna laugh really hard if trading for Andy Rautins is what sets up a Dirk-Dwight frontcourt.
This just in...
Clyde Frazier and Willis Reed have been sent to the Denver Nuggets as the “players to be named later” in the Carmelo Anthony trade last year.
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
Just for that, we're sending Dolan and Isiah to Denver
and getting Gallo and Moz back in return.
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Don’t happen to know where Jerry Stackhouse is going to en up do you?
by Guess Who's Back? on Dec 10, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
I think Stackhouse is going to try to sign a contract extension with the year 2000
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by the word on Dec 10, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
be nice to keep that MLE
I have no idea who’s out there tho.
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Rip's not a PG and really either is Gil
I mean if we want a SG, Jason Richardson would be perfect.
Really the only dude I can see that’s worth it is Jamal Crawford, and even he’s not really a PG tho I can see him playing there as much as I could see Toney D
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 10, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah JC would make our offense devastating
He always says he thinks his most underrated skill is passing. He’s good in the PnR, and if he had Melo and Amar’e on the team, he’d probably cut down on the crossover, stepback 3’s.
But from what I’ve seen he’s not on the Knicks radar
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Delonte West, Barea, Shakur…Anthony Carter
Delonte would be great, but him and TD are redundant
TYBG
by The Rooster on Dec 10, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Delonte can guard taller players
they’re really not redundant. Especially on a team that’s not gonna have a true primary PG, we need all the ballhandlers we can get.
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 10, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Ugh Delonte though...
Dude’s a nutcase, and one of my least favorite players in the league. Frankly, when he subbed in for Boston every game I watched, their lead slipped
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at least he plays defense
I’d much rather have him over Bibby
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 10, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
It would be super nice to keep the MLE
Does anyone know what kind of offers Jamal Crawford is getting? It would make my day if we can sign him for the MLE. With Toney starting we will need some points coming off the bench….
I wanted more Andy + Landry videos.
Rautins will be missed.
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of all the knicks
i would have missed rautins the least from a basketball perspective, so thats nice.
Most Definitely
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I'm confused
Are we amnestying Billups or trading Billups and Rautins in a sign and trade???
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amnestying Billups
Trading Rautins alone in a sign-and-trade and giving the Mavs a very big trade exception
next time you see renaldo
tell him to lighten up
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by Ray Smuckles on Dec 10, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
So that means no 5 million MLE but we the 3 million MLE?
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If we're not getting the mid-level by doing a sign and trade
…is there any point in doing a sign and trade? Was it just so we can give Cuban a little ’who’s your father"?
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it can't be money
we just traded Turiaf to get the money part and Rautins’ salary is the NBA equivalent of anal lint.
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 10, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
I was trying to come up with something lower than anal lint.
But no, anal lint is it. Well played.
In Donnie we trust.
by $100M Contract on Dec 10, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
It might be to give Chandler a bigger contract
but I don’t think so, as the dollar amount was agreed upon before the S&T agreement. The Mavs obviously get the trade exemption, and we’re clearing at least something in Rautins. There has to be a method to the madness
TYBG
by The Rooster on Dec 10, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
"is there any point in doing a sign and trade" that's my thinking as well (see note further down)
NY has to get something intelligent out of all this.
If NY burning its amnesty, losing its MLE for the year and not getting TE back results in only acquiring Chandler then that’s a very heavy price tag (Jeffries & Bibby do not count)
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
Maybe the Mavs deal for Dwight is all but done, and this gets him out of the east.
by Crackback on Dec 10, 2011 1:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Dirk!
:)
Sick frontcourt though if they could pull that off.
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LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
I think a year ago I wouldn't have minded Bibby.
But thinking of his no assists/ no defense/ no reliable shooting on my team makes me want to hurt myself.
In Donnie we trust.
by $100M Contract on Dec 10, 2011 11:25 AM EST reply actions
Larry Coon
Just tweeted that it looks like the Knicks would retain full MLE since they started over the cap.
well then maybe there is a madness to the method
I want either Mal or Baron on the Knicks.
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 10, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
jamal is actually a free agent
but will he take less money?
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crawford has a propensity
to dish and swish, like few others. he’s got the esp!
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JC, Landry, Melo, Amar'e, Tyson
Would be devastating. No defenses could ever collapse on the two big guns because Jamal is as good a scorer as any, Landry’s sneaky and will go backdoor, or hit the open 3, and Tyson can finish at the rim.
It’s nice to dream
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Crawford and D'Antoni got along really well in their eleven or so games together
COME BACK JAMAL
TYBG
by The Rooster on Dec 10, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
If we had the MLE
I bet he would if we were to make the offer. But now it’s gone and we have that $2.5 mil one, which Hahn suggested might go towards Extra E
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another guy, maybe just on some whatever who cares just try it shit
is rodney stuckey maybe?
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he's restricted. if we could get him for like 3 mil.
then give extra e 2 mil…. i dunno man
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Stuckey doesn't really put other guys in position to score though. Not good court vision.
He’s basically Toney Douglas with more hops.
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by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 10, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno
if TD had more hops our fastbreak would look a shit ton better
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 10, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Watching TD on the break is painful sometimes
He seems to always make terrible decisions
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he can't finish, that's why
its not even that he can’t jump either, he just has no idea how to protect the ball. JJ Barea’s half the size of him and can finish on a fast break with ease. But that’s about as far as I go with Barea, other then calling him a burrower.
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 10, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
BDiddy get the point.
Our problem is not another shooter it is a facilitator, a guard with a handle and a head with a propensity for running the pick and roll and passing skills. BDiddy fits the bill. During the lockout and clown time games, I seen Baron throw the Oop with regularity with a front court like this new Knick alignment it will be a weapon.(you don’t think the Oop is a prerequisite.) Baron might not play the best of D but he tries and who said Baron can’t score if he needs too. Remember what he did to the Knicks last season. The amnesty thing is going down, so stop the Bibby non-sense and go get the Baron. you will then see the electricity in the city like you have never seen in a long time. Baron get in shape, get your head right and be that missing piece
couldn't agree more!
too bad he’ll be stuck in cleveland.
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Agree, I cant see Gilley do anybody any favors
Hell hath no fury like a Chicken Little scorned
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
Nah, you're just jealous because you didn't come up Chicken Little yourself
Little PoDunk mortgage king sitting over there in his nest in C-land screaming “the sky is falling, the sky is falling”
and nobody is listening to him
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
It's funny because before Lebron's decision, everyone felt bad for Gilbert.
Then he proceeded to detonate his reputation by throwing illogical tantrum after illogical tantrum, and I think he’s actually causing people to sympathise for LeBron now.
ie: “Man, no wonder Lebron left. I’d hate having that wackjob/incompetent decisionmaker as my boss.”
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by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 10, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
True, I felt bad for Danny Ferry when he was running the team then
To his credit, he tried everything he could to get the players for LeBron. It wasn’t a Short Arm-Deep Pocket situation that Melo suffered through where Denver had the resources and deliberately chose to not spend; Ferry tried.
He just couldn’t get the players to come to the team, for whatever reason. The went real hard after Amare, but had to settle for Jamison.
Hindsight, it could be the owner being such a flake could have had as much to do with players not wanting to go to Cleveland as the reason that…. well it’s Cleveland
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
wasn't Ferry the dimwit that didn't give up JJ Hickson in the deal for Amar'e?
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Dec 10, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
i wish marcus camby ended danny ferry
when he had the chance
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Danny Ferry, the curse of Cleveland... times twice
He ultimately whiffed as a GM but before then
He whiffed as a player when the Cavs gave up a poop load… including a very young very healthy and unstoppable Ron Harper, to trade for him
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
Still haven't forgiven Ferry... or Jordan... or Ehlo for that matter
The Cavs of the late 80’s & early 90’s were my team. Loved that Mark Price, Ron Harper, Larry Nance, Brad Dougherty, Hot Rod Williams lineup, with whatever stooge at SF they chose to roll out
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
Cautiously awaiting official word on NY and its exceptions
Do they get to keep and use their MLE for this year (it seems they should).
What kind, if any, trade exception do they get for Turiaf?
It seemed like NY should’ve gotten a TE in the package that went to Minn in last year’s Melo deal, but through some mystical fine print they lost the TE.
If they don’t end up with at least those two pieces (this year’s MLE & $4m Turiaf TE ) back then I’d say screw the s&t with Dallas since they wouldn’t s&t with Billups as a piece and sign Chandler outright.
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
I saw Hayes being signed, I'm not sure about Landry yet
He’d be a good MLE addition, a 3 man C/PF rotation of Amare, Chandler with Landry backing them up… with a little Jeffries thrown in
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
I'd pay $5mill for his wife
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Dec 10, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
let's go with his current one
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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
is that Blanka?
"Why does green mean that's the color green? Why can't you say another word for green being green? Know what i'm saying?" - Stephon
by ny knickerbocker on Dec 10, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
A Cleveland PG / BDiddy get the point 2
How many point guards does Cleveland need let’s count Ramon Sessions, Kyle Irving, Daniel Gibson, Baron Gibson amnesty is an obvious choice on Baron. If the GM / owner is stupid or loves Baron to mentor Irving; Ramon would be a good consolation prize.
i think they see him as a guy they can trade
and the owner is too vindictive to just let baron davis walk.
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especially when they arent faced with salary cap problems
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
the dude's digging his own grave over there
its one thing to help the ‘little guys’ win every once in a while, but does he know that no one’s gonna want to play for his crazy ass in the future?
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Dec 10, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Kyrie sounds like some sort of bird nest, so maybe.
"Why does green mean that's the color green? Why can't you say another word for green being green? Know what i'm saying?" - Stephon
by ny knickerbocker on Dec 10, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
You're preaching to the choir guy
Tell it to Dipshit Dan over there
So is the projected roster to date... unless I'm missing something
Chandler/ Jeffries/ Jordan/ Harrellson
Amare
Melo/ Balkman (heaven help us)
Fields/ Shumpert/ Walker
Douglas/ Bibby
Looking at that lineup, the team still needs a legit SF, PF and either PG or SG. there’s too huge of a drop off after the first 7.
Shumpert – should play some role this year even in limited minutes
Jordan/Harrellson/Walker – assume they are not relevant until they prove otherwise
Balkman – has already proven to not be relevant
With a MLE, Turiaf TE and Bi-annual, you could fill those 3 roles, be at your max of 15 and have moveable options later in the year and offseason.
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
Walker and Shumpert are 6"6 and each at least 240lbs
I wouldn’t worry about SF. Poope’s likely back too.
We really could use a PG/SG, preferably a combo guard. Has anyone mentioned Jamal Crawford?
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 10, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
It seems like Jamal is a hot property right now
dont think signed but a lot of lookers. His challenge is he wants to be a $9m player in a MLE market
I’d do Crawford in a minute (man does that look wrong). Unless he’s generous I think he’s out of NY’s price range.
I like the look of Shumpert, potential player there though I don’t expect much this year (rookie, no training camp). But has Walker demonstrated anything so far?
Williams would be a very good re-sign. Big time up with that.
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
Shumpert is PG/SG
Melo can play SG-PF
Jordan can play PF
Fields can play SF
We don’t need more than 9 players anyway.
Until someone gets injured
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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
we don't even know if Jordan can play in the league yet
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 10, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
we already know Jeffries can't and he played almost 15 min a game
D-League is for injuries. And you know the Knicks have a few more people to sign for the minimum and maybe the exception
sounds like extra e is on his way!
alan hahn on the twitter!
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Outstandinge!
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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
I knew that shit I just dropped was divine intervention
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Dec 10, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
SHIT!
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
I don't see anything saying he'll definitely be a Knick
alanhahn Alan Hahn
#Knicks have the “room exception” (2.5Mx2) which should be enough to keep Williams if they want him back bad enough.
5 minutes ago
alanhahn Alan Hahn
Free agent Shawne Williams is expected to accept an offer today, with the #Knicks among a few suitors. #fb
11 minutes ago
TYBG
by The Rooster on Dec 10, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
oh no!
yr right! i read it as he will accept an offer from knicks, among a few suitors
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yeeeeaaaaah
That would solve a lot of problems
Roster rebuttal
Cut and pay or trade Balkman we need a roster spot. Jeffries is a mistake not enough intangibles missing cruicial layups. We don’t need Harrelson ( i do like him though but will take up a needed spot) now with Jordan in the fold. Shawne Williams needs a spot he earned it. Walker is not a must but he can have a spot. No bibby and bring in Baron or sessions. What you think it not to late too shape a contender.
wha?
Shawne is a 4…and a 3 in a big lineup. I dont agree with only needing Chandler and J Jordan at the center. He hasnt proved anything at this point. FOuld trouble, injuries, fatigue..we need ppl at the 5 to come in. I like keeping jeffries and having harrelson and JEROOOME battling for backup duty.
I do like trying for B Davis but im not sure thats likely right now
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Agree, a another legit big is needed
Jeffries isn’t young enough or good enough to be your primary big off the bench. You need someone before Jeffries so Jeffries can provide 5 or 10min a game when needed
Jordan and Harrellson need to develop… meaning prove they have legit NBA skill
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
I'd love to find a magic path to unload Balkman once and for all, but the simplest may just be to hold on to him this year
He’s the worst kind of end of bencher; he’s not young, he has no potential, he offers no leadership or experience, and he has more than 1 year left on his contract. The only way you can get rid of him is to dump him on a team wanting something of yours, like what Denver did last year in the Melo trade.
His money is not huge ($1.6m) and the roster can be up to 15.
Hold on to him and then next year he has value as an expiring contract. Much of anything this year is counterproductive to NY’s needs
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
why is everyone
shit talking rolando blackman, that dude is key
by W.E.B.DuBallas on Dec 10, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Key Master or Gate Keeper?
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
i disagree..when amare is on the bench there is no one the team to spell him in terms of defense and reboudning..
shawne is really a back up 3…au contraire..im glad we got rid of andy and kept balkman.
From what I hear, Harrelson works his ass off and isn't afraid to get physica.
That’s a guy I want in my locker room even if he doesn’t see playing time.
Remember David Lee. Harrelson might end up doing the same thing (and yeah I’m making the comparison because they’re both white and I’m a racist).
Both of those guys were drafted as afterthoughts, but they both had insane hustle and work ethics.
SPEND ON BIGS
by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 10, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, and Harrelson can already shoot the ball better than David Lee could when he was a rookie.
Remember that Lee didn’t develop a consistent 15 footer till like his 3rd year.
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by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 10, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Though is Harrellson's 6'10" a legit (or close) 6' 10"
Or is it a KMart height where his 6’6" is listed at 6’9"
Even if Harrellson’s actually 6’8" it seems like he has good overall size where he can learn to take up space in the paint and play some D
Similar to Bill Walsh’s belief that the key to success in the NFL is a 4th quarter pass rush, I believe the key to NBA success, especially in the playoffs, is 4th quarter rebounding
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
LOL
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Dec 10, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
I wouldn’t necessarily equate Lee’s rebounding prowess with a great work ethic. I wouldn’t say he’s lazy, but I don’t think of him as a real hustley guy. He boxed out intermittently and didn’t play defense even for a second once.
But, anyway, Harrellson…
I think his early years with the Knicks he was a bit of a hustle guy
Remember when he and Renaldo would come off the bench and the crowd would get excited because there’d be some offensive rebounds, or diving to save loose balls.
I think once Lee became a bigger part of the team and became a permanent starter, he stopped that and his game became a little more… refined, perhaps
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In his last two years with the Knicks he really stopped giving effort on defense
Are we forgetting how atrocious he was as a help defender? He’d step out of the way instead of contesting a shot. Lee is obviously a really poor shot blocker but he didn’t take charges or even attempt to contest shots. These habits are even worse now that he’s on the Warriors. Amare may be a poor man defender but he made a world of difference just because he exerts himself as a help defender…
TYBG
I hope that's the case, that would be huge
The is littered with borderline players who could have excelled a hustle player / defensive specialists.
What separates those players from succeeding or failing is will the put out the effort
Dahntay Jones was mostly a 1st round bust unemployed player til his one year in Denver he was committed and directed to be nothing but a defensive enforcer. Once that happened he absolutely excelled in that role.
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
Remember how David Lee was a sick athlete, a HS all-american and a starter throughout college
And Josh Harrelson was not?
by flossy on Dec 10, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah…
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
david aldridge used to seem straight laced to me
now i feel like he just started smoking weed or something.
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nah i just mean
he acts weird. like a stoner. just watched some nba tv nonsense. he’s on another plane.
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I remember having a similar thought process a little while back
Like..is David Aldridge being silly right now?
been hanging out with peyton, c webb, and ahmad probably
that whole crew went off the deep end
Most Definitely
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfGTVp-gHtU
by Ray Smuckles on Dec 10, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
do you mean XMD? (XMas Day)
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
if trying to cash in his primary motivation then ultimately not pursuing him may be a good thing
He wouldn’t be the first to get a chance, whiff it, get a slap of reality, receive a 2nd chance and not learn lessons from his first mistakes
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
Just saw some of the framework of the new CP3 deal in work
Okafor may also go to NOH and some of the Lakers young dead wood goes back
The league is pushing for NOH to get more picks & young players back in the deal. Just because a player is young doesn’t mean they are any good
Okafor to the Lakers… that chould actually a good thing for LA
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
So the Lakers
Are finding new ways to screw the poor Hornets franchise.
Remember the Kobe for Vlade trade that basically ruined the Hornets in Charlotte?
by Guess Who's Back? on Dec 10, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, Okafor seems to be an odd bird, but he has skills
Being a bit of a “disappointment” as a #1 overall pick he’s still a 12/10 guy who plays in an average of 84% games year (even with 1 bad year).
The Lakers with Bryant & Paul I believe they would motivate Okafor and get their money’s worth from him… especially if, heavens help us, the Lakers do pull off their Bynum for Howard deal.
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
true
Howard (if they pull that deal off too)
Okafor
Metta World B Free Peace
Kobe
Paul
For the next 2 or 3 years… Ouch!!!
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
Probably not, but like with the San Antonio Spurs in the playoffs or Dracula in all those old Hammer movies
The wooden stake needs to be driven in and final credits are rolling
I won’t rule it out until I see it with my own eyes as fact
And NJ better stop playing around before they lose both Howard and Nene
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
sounds like odom stays in los angeles?!
wow…. what a fuckin farce.
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That makes a lot of sense...
well, seen through the lens of Gilbert’s whiny letter, it’s disgusting, but the Hornets are more attractive to buyers without Okafor’s disgusting contract. Odd how the Lakers end up with better players this way, though…
TYBG
So idiotic
The Hornets were making out nicely with that deal. I’ve said it before on here but they would’ve had a team of Jarrett Jack, Dragic, Kevin Martin, Trevor Ariza, Luis Scola, Lamar Odom, and Okafor. That team possibly competes for homecourt advantage in the playoffs.
If they were worried about taking on so much money in future contracts, a legitimate concern, there is the amnesty deal, and those guys with the bigger contracts are all pretty movable for smaller contracts or a pick or two
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That's the one thing the Littles (little owners... cheap, uncaring stupid, incompetent) just don't understand
There are a lot of very good players in the league, today and through history, that just won’t excel or succeed unless they are on the right team with the right kind of leadership.
Okafor, Lamar Odom and others that are very skilled and good but lack the desire, dedication, maturity or something to make them excel as NBA players. But once they get on a successful team with a strong leader or tradition they suddenly start to become the players they were supposed to be. But as soon as they move on they revert back.
It’s a lousy sucky deal, but not something that any kind of CBA change will resolve
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
Man, this is crazy.
Dan Gilbert runs to David Stern squealing because the original CP3 trade was going to make the Lakers too good (even though the Lakers were going to decimate their frontcourt). Stern vetoes the deal.
Now a new deal is being presented, and in this one, the Lakers still get CP3, but they get to keep Odom, and get Okafur (a very reliable defensive center).
I’m personally loving this because I bet Gilbert is crying in his office right now. Nice job, Danny Boy.
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by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 10, 2011 2:08 PM EST reply actions
Nope
Gilbert was pissed because the Lakers were cutting a lot of salary and overall revenue sharing would be cut. Plus, his letter was timestamped after Stern had already made his decision.
Everything's done
http://twitter.com/#!/HowardBeckNYT/status/145580800446971905
Nice
Even if the Lakers do have Okafur and Odom, we still have a better frontcourt…
and it’s official!
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by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 10, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
Ugh hate giving up a pick though
Seems like the front office got lazy. Not a single team would give up ANYTHING for Turiaf?
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Ha! It finally happened.
Guess I can change my signature now. Thanks for listening to me, Glen!
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by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 10, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
More Stuff
http://twitter.com/#!/HowardBeckNYT/status/145581125451001856
sorry for stinky twitter links..highlight and open if you wish..here’s the text:
“Knicks acquire Chandler, plus rights to Ahmad Nivins and Giorgos Printezis. Mavs get Andy Rautins and protected 2012 2nd-rd pick from Wiz”
Whoa!
New guys!
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by Thelonious Dunk on Dec 10, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Just read about them on DraftExpress and NBAdraft.net
Nivins is a power forward listed at 6’9". Product of St. Anthony’s. New Jersey Native.
He’s a big body with length, but kind of slow and unathletic from what I read.
Printezis is Greek. He’s a small forward listed at 6’8". Not much info on him, but it says he’s a jack of all trades. Doesn’t really excel at anything, but is pretty solid at all the different areas of the game.
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by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 10, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Ahmad Nivins and Giorgos Printezis
Hope one makes the team for Clydes sake
Are they any good?
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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
Chauncey is waived under amnesty provision
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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
Congratulations on getting Chandler, good acquisition, strong addition
Now a couple of moments of venting.
I don’t like the Knicks business model of just outspend everyone. They are working very smart and ultimately handcuffs the chance for success.
They got Chandler, but in doing so they burned their amnesty, mortgaged their future FA flexibility, gave up two players, may or may not have lost use of their MLE and rewarded Dallas with very nice trade exceptions.
If the only other team additions are the Jeffries and Bibbys and bottom barrel minimums of the league, I would classify this as only a mildly successful offseason. They gave up too much (their future) for what they got back (1 player)
Right now, I hate writing it and hope I’m wrong, but NY is still runnning 4th in the East
Chicago – Best overall team
Miami – Most star power, one year head start on the rest of the league in star building
Boston – Most experienced
NY – Will outspend everyone, very strong front 3, horribly thin after that
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
Miami and NY are clearly at the front of the East now
Chicago’s not good enough and is now declining, Boston has been in decline since their championship. Miami is by far the best team in the league but NY has a good chance in a seven game series, now
TYBG
Errr, sorry my bad..."They are working very smart" supposed to be "They are not working very smart"
But still… venting done, now Go Knicks!!!
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
Grunwald/Smart Moves
GM/G.Grunwald is making smart moves for the long term along with the short term in mind.
Our frontline of eight is looking good.
Stoudemire/Chandler/Anthony/Jeffries/Jordan/Fields/Harrellson/Balkman
Our backcourt is shaping up also for the short term.
Douglas/Bibby/Barea/Shumpert/Walker/Crawford
Let’s keep our fingers cross that Grunwald gets the final three signed.
I hope we sign J.Crawford/J.Jordan/J.J.Barea
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