John Schuhmann on the Tyson Chandler deal.

Over at NBA.com's StatsCube, Schuhmann projects how Chandler might change the team, and also how the Knicks might fare without Billups. Definitely worth a look. (I intend to have more on the backcourt sans Billups in the near future).

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Good stuff

I had no idea that the Knicks played that well when Douglas and Fields were on the court together. I was also surprised by the 119.9 points per 100 possessions when Amar’e was playing with Jeffries. That’s crazy. I don’t know if the Knicks will be able to score 119.9 points per 100 possession while Amar’e and Chandler are on the court at the same time, but I do expect Chandler to have a really positive impact on our team offensively, especially when you consider just how dominant Amar’e was when he played next to Shaq during the second half of the 2007-2008 season.

Back to the backcourt though. Even after seeing these cool numbers about the Knicks’ success with Douglas and Fields, I still don’t feel very good about going to battle with these guys as our backcourt starters. I have my fingers crossed for Baron Davis still, as unlikely as it may seem that he ends up here.

by BJabs on Dec 10, 2011 1:12 PM EST reply actions

I was also surprised by the 119.9 points per 100 possessions when Amar’e was playing with Jeffries.

That has to be a small sample size kind of number, or Jared Jeffries is actually a master of the dark arts. Smart money’s on the former.

by flossy on Dec 10, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions

287 Minutes is the sample size

Not a particularly small amount of minutes. Here is some more information on the Knicks’ top 5-Man units last season.

The best way of doing this is to control+F search for Jeffries, where you’ll see that the Knicks’ 6th most used lineup of Douglas-Fields-Anthony-Jeffries-Stoudemire played 86.4 minutes together, during which they scored an amazing 1.31 points per possession, while allowing just 1.09. The Knicks’ 8th most used lineup consisted of Billups-Fields-Anthony-Jeffries-Stoudemire, which scored 1.21 points per possession, while allowing 1.10.

by BJabs on Dec 10, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions

It seems awfully small to me

There’s so much noise in stats like points per possession and plus minus that I’d think you’d need at least 1000 minutes to get anything approaching a useful measure, and even then there are likely to be misleading results (i.e., bench players being considered for starting roles on the basis of strong plus minus numbers attained mostly against opposing bench players).

by Joamiq on Dec 10, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions

Douglas and Fields shot 38 percent from 3 combined

while Felton and Billups were both at less than 33. With Amar’e and Melo dominating the ball, the other guys contribute best by shooting open threes as the D collapses. Unfortunately, our starting PGs weren’t doing that as well as you would’ve hoped last year. So it kinda makes sense.

by Chuck Burly on Dec 10, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions

I usually call this the LeBron effect

LeBron is most effective when you just surround him with 3-pt shooters and let him wreak havoc within 18 feet, and drive and kick to his splashers. Now I’m realizing, as you said, that Amar’e and Melo have the same effect. Both players prefer the midrange, bringing the defense well within the 3pt line, allowing our boys to kick out to Douglas, Fields, and Williams for the bombs. This dynamic makes me feel better about starting the season without a traditional PG, but I still feel like a good point guard is really important for this team to run the pick and roll and control the tempo. Melo is good at these things, but not as good as a good veteran point guard would be.

Also a good point guard can make the team competent offensively while Amar’e or Melo or both are on the bench.

by BJabs on Dec 10, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions

Great statistical revelation...

so the Knicks had their best offensive rating and second best defensive rating by only .6 points with TD and Landry in backcourt. And they are still on our team!!!

by bababooey2 on Dec 10, 2011 1:41 PM EST reply actions

correction: 2nd best offensive rating..but the billups and douglas combo only played 200 minutes..miniscule sample

by bababooey2 on Dec 10, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions

What these stats show is how effective we are when Landry is on his game, especially defensively. All of the pairs with Landry had a positive net rating, where all of the pairs without him had a negative net rating.

So Chandler will be our Jeffries, just much much better. So both of our offensive numbers and defensive numbers will be fine.

Personally, I’m comfortable with a guard combination of TD, Fields, Shump, and Bully. And if we sign Bibby that’s okay too. At the worst, he’s good at threes so he can be used as a decoy in the corner while Melo runs the play.

BTW, does anyone know how Bibby is with the PnR?

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

LET'S GO RANGERS!!!

by Moshe52792 on Dec 10, 2011 2:23 PM EST reply actions