Reports: Knicks signing Mike Bibby, After J.J. Barea?
by Seth on Dec 10, 2011 4:06 PM EST
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Sam Amick just twat:
Source says Mike Bibby will indeed sign a one-year, minimum deal with New York.
I, like most of you, don't like the idea of Bibby joining the Knicks. Bibby strikes me as an uncreative, low-ceiling solution to the point guard hole, and I also just don't like him. On a one-year minimum contract as a back-up, though, it is what it is. It's a lot like the Jared Jeffries thing. As a low-usage reserve, Bibby is perfectly capable of handling the ball, hitting an open shot, wearing a headband, and looking like John Brown from "The White Rapper Show". Hopefully, D'Antoni would ask nothing more of him. Also, he just spent time with the Heat, so he can probably share his knowledge of their play calls or some weird pressure point on Chris Bosh's hip or something.
MEANWHILE...
Knicks have been in contact with J.J. Barea and are making a strong push to acquire him, source says.
Knicks don't have the money to sign Barea outright but, according to a source, are working on different scenarios to land him
My goodness! I'm curious to see what it would take to snag Barea, but I certainly think he has plenty to offer this team.
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We have the mini mid level
Too little to get Barea….so id imaging we would use it on him
by michael28102 on Dec 10, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
hmm
I really don’t see how we could get Barea. Our tradeable assets are Landry, TD, and Shump, and I like all of them more than Barea.
we probably don't have to trade a big asset
he’s on his way out of Dallas for sure, and who knows what the market really is for him?
how about this, though – would we give up Bully for Barea? i don’t know how i would feel about that.
by latrell chokewell on Dec 10, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
i think we're really overrating the market for Barea
i’m not sure that we really need to give up anything to get him. so even giving up bill walker might be too much.
(and the people who think we’re giving up DWTDD, y’all crazy folk)
by latrell chokewell on Dec 10, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe
but we cant deny what we saw from barrea in the playoffs last year. He was very good penetrating and created major headaches for opposing defenses. we don’t need a top tier PG, we just need someone with the IQ and the handles to “handle” the job. Bibby can play the two man game on the perimter and hit the occasional 3. It would be a good thing for the knicks. I would give up walker for barrea. I dont know that the knicks will part with TD for barrea though. Douglas played hurt most of last season. I think his game is ready to go up a notch.
"Control the clock, dont keep making the same dumb mistakes, and dont turn over the rock because you cant win without the rock."
For Bully?
I’d do it for sure. Barea would be a nice source of points off the bench. Bully’s value is pretty limited.
We gotta remember
That if we’re doing a trade, that means Dallas is signing Barea and then trading him here. They probably would want a better player than Bill Walker in return
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Yeah, probably
I’d love to trade Walker and/or Balkman for Barea, but I have no idea why Dallas would do that unless they see it as getting something, anything for a guy they can’t keep.
thats exactly what i was thinking might happen
"To be honest with you, it could've used a little more Cowbell!"
That would be an awful trade.
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Not worthwhile
We might be a step better on offense, but we’d be a step worse on defense
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115-114 wins every night. Yeah…
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I'd agree
I like a number of things about the tiny guy but I don’t think what he brings to the table is a bigger compliment to this team than TD’s defense will be
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 10, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
luv to see him here but not for TD
Walker…yes, immediately. I like Bully but he’d be expendable to me in this case.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 10, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
I agree.
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I dont think we're even considering trading Toney douglas. Hes the only pg with experiance in the Offense.
especially with coaches players management showing confidence in his ability to run the point this year
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
if we get barea, screw bibby...
and what about nachbar? or bonzi wells? i’ve heard some rumors about these 2 vets who might be good scoring swing depth.
Enough with the Bonzi Wells
Not trying to be rude there – apologies if it seemed that way – but that was talked about last June and his name hasn’t been brought up since. At this point in the game, I can’t imagine he’d offer anything worthwhile
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Is Bibby white?
I like Berea I dont see him as a starter though and can see him being moved down the line at some point
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agreed, not a starter...
but a proven bench spark who can excel at the PnR… he’s real crafty being so small.
by bucketsncents on Dec 10, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
Coon v. Hollinger
Coon said on twitter just the Room Exception, but Hollinger said MLE in his insider piece.
Hollinger
Major brain cramp on my Chandler story – NY only has under-cap MLE. not the full one. Correction coming.
Hollinger sucks
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nah no MLE CUZ WE USED DA AMNESTY CLAUSE,so where kinnna ina jam 2 only use da vets minimum
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by FRESH DA FARI on Dec 10, 2011 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
um
what?
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Bibby is Eddie House's cousin
Ugh
Nowadays everybody wanna talk, like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherfu****s act like they forgot about Dre
by King Henry the 2nd on Dec 10, 2011 4:16 PM EST reply actions
hey, where is eddy these days? he'd fit...
by bucketsncents on Dec 10, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
I hate you
Nowadays everybody wanna talk, like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherfu****s act like they forgot about Dre
by King Henry the 2nd on Dec 10, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Brother in law
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me either it will probably be those two guys we got right too from the Mavs
Matt Mulligan is the worst TE ever
we don't have a full roster yet
We acquired the rights to them…..not actually the players
by michael28102 on Dec 10, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
I know I meant to say rights not right
Matt Mulligan is the worst TE ever
this marks the end of an era
the longest tenured knick is now amar’e stoudemire.
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Unless you count Humpty
but yeah thats crazy
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What?
Why not TD?
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by Chairman Meow on Dec 10, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
Are you saying that traded DWTDD?
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i would still count
Jeffries and Balkman as longer tenured if it actually came down to that
by michael28102 on Dec 10, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
toney has not been traded
but its the only thing that makes sense to me
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For Barea?
That’s nuts.
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A rotation of TD/Iman (one of these could be out?), Bibby and JJ would be serviceable
Not ideal, but I think it would work well
Wait, why the fuck would we trade TD to make room for Barea?
That makes no since to me.
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sense when?
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by Ozraider on Dec 10, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
XD
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because barea can run a decent enough pick and roll
and toney is too awesome
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Wait, what?
Nowadays everybody wanna talk, like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherfu****s act like they forgot about Dre
by King Henry the 2nd on Dec 10, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Wait, what?!
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by gbaked on Dec 10, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I like the idea of Barea, even as a starter
He can score, he can work the p&r, and his assist numbers are much better than TD’s (almost 7 per 36 minutes/ (31.2 AST % last year). Very crafty player, and we really can’t be too choosy with the PG position. Of all the choices, Barea and Baron Davis are by far the best
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by Jeff W. on Dec 10, 2011 4:27 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Pargo signed with Memphis
good player, forgot about him in europe
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its still the knicks, folks
two steps forward and an interminable amount of steps back
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don't we have the mid-level?
why trade anyone when you can sign him?
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
thatd be great if we had the mini-mid
which i’ve never heard of, AND the full mid level exception. but i’m never gonna get to have and eat cake.
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Then just use that on Shawne
and call it a day. No fancy crap, okay guys!?
by Chuck Burly on Dec 10, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
amen.
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How did this thread turn into everyone assuming Toney Douglas will not be a Knick this season?
Y’all are crazy
probably since the thread started with the Knicks being in contact with JJ Barea
and then said they don’t have the money left to get him.
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Yeah this is bull that we have to trade TD
Matt Mulligan is the worst TE ever
I'd assume
If we forgo Bibby altogether we can have Barerra and keep TD if so I see no problem.
Just say “thanks for coming down Bibs but you suck so no thank you.”
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 10, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
you can sign how ever many Bibby's you want
everyone can sign players for the veteran minimum as far as I know, even if you’re over the cap.
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forgot the vets min…so yea….tru
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 10, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
DON'T GO AFTER BAREA PLEASE... sign Poop instead...
TD/Bibby
Landry/Iman/Walker
Melo/Poop
Amar’e/Balkman
Chandler/Jeffries/Jordan/Harrelson
That team is good. Very good. Stick with it.
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Yeah if we sign Barea we'll have to trade TD
Matt Mulligan is the worst TE ever
I’d trade Walker and sign Barea, but definitely not TD.
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That make more sense to trade Walker instead of TD
Matt Mulligan is the worst TE ever
Yeah.
Bibby Barea TD Shump Landry Melo Balkman Amar’e Jeffries Chandler Jorts Harrelson.
Hopefully we sign Poop, but IDK about the money. I guess the exception..
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Yeah that team would be very tuough to beat
Matt Mulligan is the worst TE ever
WE WANT POOPE
There are not enough needless E’s on this team
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Poop would be nice but I don't know if the knicks have the money
Matt Mulligan is the worst TE ever
Well, we have the mini MLE right?
So that could be used for POOP, and we could move Bully for Barea?
I’d be cool with that.
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That works for me
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Theres alot of fiber in that.
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now lets go get a goddamn snack.
by JETSFANF0RLYF3 on Dec 10, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
I like youre thinking
If we lose Pooperman we are going to have to add an E to someones name thats for sure.
Landry Fieldse? DWTDDE?
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We could always just add more E to Amar’e’e’e’e’e’e’e’e’e’e.
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certainly possible
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D Rose just signed with the Knicks...
Oh wait that was a day dream I had. Damn. We should be good enough with what we got now though.
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Did we trade TD to make room for him?
If we did, it was an awful move.
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by Chairman Meow on Dec 10, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think the Knicks will trade TD
It’s easy to get worked up about, but D’Antoni just sung the praises of Douglas yesterday.
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Too bad D'Antoni's opinion means nothing.
By the way, did you see Chris Herren was at Squan yesterday? It was pretty cool.
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by Chairman Meow on Dec 10, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
yes
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 10, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
No I did not actually
I’m in PA for school right now, so I’m not even in good ole Monmouth County
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Woah, dude.
I live in Manalapan but I’m in school in Allentown, PA.
Woah.
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Ha nice!
Me and Chairman Meow had a bonding experience cause we live in towns right next to each other and have some mutual friends.
I live in Wall, but am in York, PA for school. I could be wrong but do you go to Kutztown?
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Went to West Chester U and living near there now.
Fuckin' midwest.
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by Thelonious Dunk on Dec 10, 2011 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
I live in Austin...
and that’s kind of the midwest, though Texans don’t view it that way. Not from here, though, and there sure are a lot of Mavericks fans chirping at me who are mad about the past couple of days. I enjoy it.
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by ny knickerbocker on Dec 10, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
Nawh mayne,
That’s the south. Undoubtedly. I’m talking like, Illinois/Missouri midwest.
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by Thelonious Dunk on Dec 10, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
I'm in Chicago
The experience has made my hatred for the bulls as powerful as my hatred for all Boston sports teams
Anxiously awaiting the day my username will be appropriate
dude, in that case we gotta watch at least one game together this season
i’ll bring my dog…his name is Clyde.
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by ny knickerbocker on Dec 10, 2011 10:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
lake austin blvd, just west of mopac
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by ny knickerbocker on Dec 10, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
ah well. i'll keep it in mind; it'd be cool to find a bar somewhere near campus to catch a game
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by ny knickerbocker on Dec 10, 2011 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
This reminds me
of how Buddy the Elf would join the conversation, were he from Pennsylvania.
From PA, Osborn?
I seem to recall you saying you went to college there, but I was under the belief you were from NJ?
Well if not, sorry to disappoint the PA people, but I’m from NJ! Me, Seth and Chairman Meow are forming an exclusive group just for NJ Knicks fans on P&T! And no one else is invited!
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I’m in!!
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Yeah Moshe!
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Hell yeah reppin the 732 daily
Didn’t know Seth was from here though.
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by Chairman Meow on Dec 11, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know how far the 732 area code extends
So I don’t know if he has it or not, but he’s a north Jersey guy
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My bro wen’t there!
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I go to Muhlenberg!
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woah.
where? I live in Oak Knolls town houses off of pension road.
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I live right off 9 in marlboro :)
for now..
by 100% dundee on Dec 10, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
Woah!
So many of us on here.
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One of the reasons P&T is the best blog!
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LMAO!
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I'll email you my Social Security too
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to help you out
i’m the one with the disturbingly large collection of qyntel woods memorabilia
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by ny knickerbocker on Dec 11, 2011 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
i live in a town house… they all look the same.. good luck
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
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TD will be backup SG to shump
and fields will be backup SF thats the only thing that makes sense to get all of them into the rotation. Of course with bibby and JJ at PG
Landry could start there too.
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Essentially, if we trade Walker and sign Barea, a lot of flexibility.
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I like this option best
as long as it still includes no Bibby
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 10, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
but we would be clutter at the 1 and 2
with 5 people for 2 spots and backups fields is the only 1 of any of them that could play the 3
by SLAUGHTERHOUSE on Dec 10, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
Shumpert's not starting.
and the idea is not that they trade TD for rotation’s sake. Its cuz we have to trade something if we’re gonna get Barea, and no one else is worth a shit yet.
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Really the question is if JJ running the p-n-r off the bench is worth giving up anything other than cap space.
Answer is NO.
I thought the question was if the Knicks had a capable bench without Barea
and that answer probably is no. Barea makes for a strong 6th man.
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He wasn’t the 6 man on Dallas so I’m not sure if that’s true. I think he’s more looked as an energetic backup G.
doesn't matter if he was the 6th or 7th or 8th man
he came off the bench and was excellent.
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Barea could get amare involved in the pnr
Whic is something we really need
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link to Chandler press conference, its a short clip of it
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Howard Beck:
Before Knicks swooped in, Chandler said his top choices were Nets and Warriors. Said Knicks were not even on his radar when FA opened.
Glen Grunwald, lurking in the shadows, waiting to snipe.
I like the visual
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Between Billups and Arenas....the heat are gonna get someone
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Gilbert Arenas’ reps calling around for assurances he won’t be claimed off waivers, source says. Wants to become UFA and find good fit.
And because it would be a hatable player on a hatable team
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I would look forward to Gilbert jacking up a car park 3 brick for the win with D-Wade and LBJ just standing around
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Okay, so every reporter/analyst agrees that we are definitely under the cap.
We can bid on amnestied players! Please, Grunwald, wait a week to see what happens with Davis!
The Knicks are over the cap.
Under the luxury tax.
We can't be over the cap if we have use of the Stretch exception.
We would have the full MLE if we were over the cap.
Were over the cap
We went under when we amnestied billups. Once you go under, you lose the MLE. We went back over went we got Chandler. If go under and then over, you get the Mini Mid Level which is what they are talking about
by michael28102 on Dec 10, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
The way I understood it...
was that you get the Stretch (which is the 2.5/2) if you have room under the cap. The Mini Mid Level is for teams over the luxury tax and that one starts at 3 mil instead of 5 I think. I guess I misread it though.
Stretch exception is where you extend a players contract for less money over more years
Entirely different from any of the mid-levels.
They were calling it the Stretch in the document I read.
This was before the whole renegotiation thing had even been announced.
My understanding
Was that the stretch exception was $2.5 mil a season and was for teams who would go over the cap, by using the stretch exception on a player.
The MLE is for teams that have room to sign someone for the MLE and not go over the cap.
Could be wrong, just my understanding
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Does Barea seriously want more than the mini MLE? He made 1.8 last year.
That little guy is going to get exposed when he plays on a middling team.
exposed and paid
gotta make that money while your hot
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I guess but he's going to look terrible playing for a crappy team
Matt Mulligan is the worst TE ever
if he can get it now he should.
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I don't blame him
he gotta do what he gotta do and we gotta do what we gotta do. If it’s meant to be other teams would have moved on and he’ll take less money to be in a better situation.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 11, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
no creative way
so maybe they have an uncreative way, like hiding JJ in the womb of one of the Knicks city dancers
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Seems pretty creative to me.
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depends on your creativity level
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Grunwald is more creative than I.
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well we can sign bibby then force him to change his name to barea the force jj to change his name to bibby alter there images to look like one of them and bam!
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now lets go get a goddamn snack.
by JETSFANF0RLYF3 on Dec 10, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
then**
"As much as I respect and admire Bill Belichick, I came here to kick his a**, and that’s the truth." - Rex Ryan
now lets go get a goddamn snack.
by JETSFANF0RLYF3 on Dec 10, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
LMFAO
now that would allow for a dramatic entrance!
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COME ON DOWN POOPIE!!
And if possible grab Davis too when he’s available. (That would be epic)
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If they had no creative way of getting barea how
Is it that they are now trying to get j craw to accept 5 mil+?
by nynobis on Dec 11, 2011 12:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
So this looks like it will happen
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Why tommorrow
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I have no idea
Could it be that he needs to remain unsigned to use the smaller MLE?
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Or
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by michael28102 on Dec 10, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
But it is too late to play golf...
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Maybe because they are trying to Barea
If they can get him….no bibby
by michael28102 on Dec 10, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
Bibby and Barea are not mutually exclusive
Bibby is a minimum deal, which can be given out ad infinitum.
Well they need cap room
Clear cap, Sign Barea, then give out all the min deals
by michael28102 on Dec 10, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
They could only get any real cap room by losing Amare, Chandler, or Melo
Bibby’s contract is basically inconsequential.
Question for everyone here, would you guys rather TD starting at the 1 for us or Barea?
I’d want TD because I don’t think Barea’s offense overpowers TD’s defense. Or in otherwords, I don’t think Barea is unquestionably a better PG then TD is. Thoughts?
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The part where they say that we won’t start bibby!
He's been working on his game all summer
Now he plays like a 9 year old girl.
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No. They Play like men.
jeffries plays with a tampon in his vag. ( seth please dont suspend me)
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I don't think that we know yet
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Yeah I think so
Matt Mulligan is the worst TE ever
i'd love JJ
Young, scrappy, works hard. Would be an instant fan favorite and he can get into the lane and dish it to guys down low. Toney is more of a shooter/stopper while having JJ as more of a pure pg. Im down
yeah, $9 million
extremely overpaid, but he’s gonna just get traded for David West anyway, so it’s cool.
by latrell chokewell on Dec 10, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
you really think stern is gonna approve that
after what happened with CP3? i doubt it. but maybe i’m just too much of a conspiracy theorist.
by latrell chokewell on Dec 10, 2011 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, and as far as i know West is still on the Hornets
which the NBA still owns. so Stern still presides over this one too. i just can’t imagine them letting West go for nothing after the whole CP3 fiasco.
by latrell chokewell on Dec 10, 2011 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah but West is not contractually bound to the hornets like cp3..he is a full blown free agent.
question is it better to let west go for zero or get at least something in return, hence the Celtics assets…
it really doesn't sound like they're getting anything in return though
taking on the salary of jermaine o’neal’s corpse doesn’t help them. and if he’s gonna retire anyway, it’s the same as letting West walk.
and letting West walk is a lot easier for the league now – less red tape.
i still don’t see how this helps the hornets, at all.
by latrell chokewell on Dec 10, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
Can someone explain this to me
Why do you get a bigger exception if your over the cap than under. Doesn’t make any sense really.
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by 2xtheBully on Dec 10, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
HE JUST WINS
Wish we had him to play point guard
by michael28102 on Dec 10, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
I have to deal with enough Tebow shit
we don’t need it here.
I propose that we officially make P&T a Tebow free zone.
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by Ozraider on Dec 10, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
+infinity
Matt Mulligan is the worst TE ever
Your just jealous
Me, Skip Bayless, and Bill Simmons see the real Tebow
He. Just. Wins. Basketball. Games.
by michael28102 on Dec 10, 2011 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
ugh...
I fine with Tebow, but can we please make this a Skip Bayless free zone.
Waiting for Christmas...
by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 10, 2011 5:51 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I have no problem with Tebow
I think its funny that he has made the idiots on TV look like morons its being beaten around the head with it constantly that pisses me off.
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Booooooo
PR would be so disappointed in you…
that dude is as obsessed with Tebow as anyone!
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don't talk about Brainless
Matt Mulligan is the worst TE ever
This attitude is why the Knicks haven't won a playoff game in years!
We need winners like tebow!
by michael28102 on Dec 10, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
Because they are exceptions
Which is to say, they are exceptions to the rules that if you aren’t under the cap, you can’t sign anyone (to more then the minimum). If you have cap room, you don’t need an exception, because you have cap space. Exceptions really should only exist for over the cap teams, if you have cap space, you don’t need exceptions to the rule, the rule works for you just fine. The new baby exception for under the cap teams is just to give them a bit more space when they are right up against the cap, nothing more.
by Wilson Chandlerstick Maker on Dec 10, 2011 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
Why sign Bibby if we're pursuing Barea?
They’re the same player except Barea is younger and faster.
Waiting for Christmas...
by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 10, 2011 5:46 PM EST reply actions
Because Bibby is signing for the vet min. It’s essentially a risk free move. In other words, why not? It’s essentially free depth.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 10, 2011 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
Still in it.
daldridgetnt David Aldridge
Source: Knicks, Wolves both in strong pursuit of J.J. Barea, who feels “betrayed” that Mavs only offered 1 yr deal. Check Hang Time blog.
Nowadays everybody wanna talk, like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherfu****s act like they forgot about Dre
by King Henry the 2nd on Dec 10, 2011 6:03 PM EST reply actions
this is why i said giving up bully would be too much
give JJ the 2.5 mil and be done with it. if he really wants more money to go to Minnesota, then call his bluff and let him go there, whatever
by latrell chokewell on Dec 10, 2011 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly.
If he wants to be on a contender, then take the 2.5 and be on a great team. If he doesn’t, then go to Minnesota.
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Who would ever want to go to Minnesota willingly
Matt Mulligan is the worst TE ever
hockey players!
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i dunno
I like Bully but I think Barea + Knicks > Walker + Knicks. I wouldn’t be too cozy giving up TD for him nor fields but Bully wouldn’t bother me much. I’d miss him but it’d be for the good of the team if something like that could get done.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 10, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
okay, but
Barea + Walker + Knicks > than either of your two options, right? that’s what i’m saying. we can have our cake and eat it too.
by latrell chokewell on Dec 10, 2011 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
very true
but I don’t trust Kahn. Wolves are under cap and if I remember correct and Kahn could have 9 PG’s on the roster and he’d still out bid us to have a 10th for some probably harmless but none the less convoluted “plan”
pretty much the thing that happened with Sessions and then we were subject to more Duhon and all of his glory. That worked out well.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 10, 2011 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
it really would be ludicrous if the wolves signed another point guard
even if he is more of a scorer than a distributor.
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by ny knickerbocker on Dec 10, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
this is the $64,000 question
probably more dollars but you get the point. we need to know!
by latrell chokewell on Dec 10, 2011 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
I think its either one or the other
Because all we have is the half MLE? Only way we sign both is if Shawne accepts a multi-year deal for the minimum. Also, there were conflicting reports on whether we have the full MLE. If we do, we can easily sign both.
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by Jeff W. on Dec 10, 2011 6:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
wait...
Shawne would be a returning player, I’m almost sure we can sign whoever we want if we choose to and then go over the cap to sign Shawne as long as he has his bird rights.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 10, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think Shawne has Bird Rights.
I’m pretty sure you need to have signed for a certain amount to get Bird Rights and he was paid the minimum last year. I think.
ahh, that would explain alot
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 11, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
Question:
If we trade Walker/Balkman and sign Barea with the mini MLE, is their still room for Shawne, or no?
Because:
Barea/Bibby
TD/Shump
Melo/Landry
Amar’e/Poop
Chandler/Jeffries
That’s a great 10 for MDA to run with.
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how can we sign barea again?
i would love to have him, but how do we have room to pay him?
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there's a new mini-exception thing in the new CBA
it’s like half of the MLE, and apparently we have it. someone smarter than me can explain the details.
by latrell chokewell on Dec 10, 2011 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
okay, great
it just would be great to have him, it’s just if we get him, were is shump exactly on the depth chart? and will landry start and sg or tony?
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We have a mini mid level which is for teams that went under the cap and then went back over
That is 2.5 mil with 3 years tops.
Maybe we offer barea 5 mil for 2 years?
by michael28102 on Dec 10, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
would he take it
bibby is is getting 1.4, and bibby is a old, slow point gaurd who realy isn’t much more then a backup. and barea is going to except an offer where he only gets 1 mill more?
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Ill be pissed if we sign Bibby and have to let Poope go to sign Berea
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if we are close to barea, why get biby? i don’t get it…
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Signing Bibby doesn’t effect our money at all.
He’s signing for the vet min after we make our moves, so its essentially free depth.
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well, he might if no one offers significantly more
i can’t imagine a team offering Barea the full MLE, but who knows when the Wolves are involved…
by latrell chokewell on Dec 10, 2011 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
not sure
i didnt get the impression it was either or but i really dont know
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Do a sign and trade
Barea signs and then we trade Walker and Balkman for him. Then sign Shawne with the mini-mid.
now this makes sense
if we’re gonna trade bully to get Barea, at least make sure we’re getting poop out of it too. good plan.
by latrell chokewell on Dec 10, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, this is my best case scenario
No idea whether it’s actually realistic or not – no idea what the Mavs would want with Bully and Balkman – but it would work out great for us! Assuming Bibby and Landry start in the backcourt, give me a bench of Barea, TD, Shump, Poop, and big guy X (Jeffries? Ugh, hopefully only 10 minutes a game) and I’d be very happy.
this also might be true...
free agency is nuts!
by latrell chokewell on Dec 10, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
no surprise on Balkman
but surprised no one would take a risk on walker as filler material in a trade. He’s performed well in his limited minutes.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 11, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
Wait....is that the vet minimum?
Mike Bibby agrees in principle to one-year, $1.4 million deal with Knicks – http://NYPOST.com http://nyp.st/vx21xD via @newyorkpost
I wish we had an official account of where our cap room is now
so we could coplain about theoretical moves with justification right now. I think it’s only fair, for basketball reasons.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 10, 2011 6:18 PM EST reply actions
we need a knickscap.com
the jets have one, and it’s very good to know…
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 10, 2011 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
damn I really hope we get Barea, that would be sick
he might thrive in this system
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by Archie Barberio on Dec 10, 2011 6:21 PM EST reply actions
who would ever trade td
Matt Mulligan is the worst TE ever
I wouldn trade TD
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by Archie Barberio on Dec 10, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
me neither
Matt Mulligan is the worst TE ever
the media non NY is sleeping on TD honestly
I still think TD could be our starting PG and I am more than cool with that, I love TD
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by Archie Barberio on Dec 10, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah for some reason they don't seem to like him
even though he is a really good player
Matt Mulligan is the worst TE ever
I think TD is real good
he is unorthadox but i like it
the guy has swag and just fits NY
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by Archie Barberio on Dec 10, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
definetly
wow, i never realy thought about it. i didn’t think we’d have a chance to get him…
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by Archie Barberio on Dec 10, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
good to know we've moved on from paul
i’d rather have chandler and barea then having to give up a lot for paul
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I know its crazy but me too
I just knew we would never really get Paul, we didnt have the trade chips or cash
this roster is real good now with a legit big man and Iman is going to surprise people too man
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by Archie Barberio on Dec 10, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
i know
shump is going to be ghood. i just can see it. very athletic and a very good defender, and i don’t realy see what is wrong with his jumper.
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his jumper looks pretty good to me and he is crazy fucking athletic he looks like a real baller
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by Archie Barberio on Dec 10, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
No idea why the Knicks picked up Billups's option
14 million? Come on. If Barea signs for the exception and no one has to be traded, 2 years, 2.5 mil each, that’s great and similar production for a guy who will keep the Puerto Rican fans when Balkman leaves.
who cares
it’s Dolan’s money
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by Archie Barberio on Dec 10, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
At the time picking up the option made sense to maximize cap space for 2012 to pursue CP3 as a free agent.
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by Major on Dec 10, 2011 6:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm w you mindfeck
All justifications are bs. Picking up 14 million option then using once in ten years waiver a few months later is pathetic. Trade chip? If we didn’t take option we could pick up better player for 14 mil and trade that guy for Paul. I think dolo promised billups he would pick up option during melo trade
by nynobis on Dec 10, 2011 9:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That once in 10 years waiver is not really once in 10 years
It can only be used on a contract signed under the previous CBA. That means that it has to be used in the next 4 years, and probably could only be used on Chauncey, Amar’e, or Melo.
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fine but what if Amare pulls an Allan Houston
Picking up chauncey’s option was still ridiculous even if he was just bought out rather than amnestied. Add the fact that picking up the option caused loss of amnesty which would be great to have for Amare and even Melo if they both pull a Houston. If Amare gets big time injured this year Knicks are screwed exactly because they picked up Chauncey’s option.
Why was option picked up again? Seriously. I can’t think of any reason. Was he a steal at 14 million? Other teams were gonna snatch him up for 15 million if we didn’t exercise option? Come on. Calling conspiracy
no way he was worth 14 million
And if he was a trade chip, why didn’t anyone want to trade for him? Any why is he so pissed that he’s getting 14 million this season when he should be making much less.
If Amar’e is injured big time you have to hope he retires like Allan Houston, Yao Ming, and Brandon Roy did.
He was a $14 million expiring contract
That might have been needed to swing a trade. Considering that the money isn’t that important to the Knicks because of their business model, maintaining that flexibility was important.
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we didn't try to trade him.
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 11, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
I think that's pretty stupid if that's true
why not try and trade him? Worst case you can’t move him and you amnesty him anyway. Best case, we trade him which clears up space to sign Chandler and maybe we get a draft pick and/or a PG better than Bibby in the exchange.
I’ll shit bricks if Bibby is starting on Christmas, and I’ll use that brick to beat a prostitute and leave the corpse in Bibby’s hotel room right before placing an anonymous call into police and sprinkling coke all over the place
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 11, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
why try to trade him?
he was the expiring contract in any CP3 trade. We weren’t really in that deal so why try to trade him?
Tyson Chandler became available and really behind any CP3 or Dwight Howard move, a Tyson Chandler is the best possible move for us…tho it could be better then a CP3 move.
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They also did try and trade Chauncey for Chandler
But Dallas didn’t want him
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I think it's hilarious how the amnesty waivers are working out
The whole idea of allowing teams under the cap to bid and get a good player at a fraction of the cost was quaint and all, but the amnestied players are just forcing their way out of it so they can become free agents and sign where they want. How are the owners upset about Chris Paul going to LA and not this? I’d expect the small market owners to be livid.
this Chandler shit is awesome though
we needed a center and poof out of nowhere this came through
real cool with the Knicks being players again, cannot wait for the season to start
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by Archie Barberio on Dec 10, 2011 6:33 PM EST reply actions
I was thinking exactly the same thing
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as a life long Knicks fan and I waited 15 years for us to be back here
this is so fucking cool
and I actually like Tyson Chandler
so glad we are back, guys actually want to come here again
the big question for me is who is going to coach this team long term with Melo Amare Chandler big 3
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by Archie Barberio on Dec 10, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
what i like about this
is that this is actualy a big 3. C, PF, SF. thats a big 3. thats why it is a “big 3”. they are actualy big. i never heard people call ray allen big on a basketball court.
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we can get a PG if we have too, its those big guys thats hard to get
we needed a center so bad and we go out and get one of the best defensive centers in basketball
plus he is a great rebounder, now Amare can focus on what he does best, scoring
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by Archie Barberio on Dec 10, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
12 man roster. (dressed)
Barea Bibby TD Iman Fields Walker Melo Poop Amar’e Jeffries Chandler Harrelson/Jordan
That would be fantastic.
Essentially, we would end up having all of that instead of Melo, Amar’e and Paul.
Barea Bibby TD Iman Fields would be a very solid rotation of guards.
Melo will eat up most of the SF minutes, with Poop and Bully spelling him for about 15+ a game.
Amar’e and Chandler will eat up the big man minutes, with Poop, Jeffries, and Harrelson/Jordan taking up the rest.
Shit this is awesome.
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thats a great fucking roster bro
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by Archie Barberio on Dec 10, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly. Its deep. Rather than we have 3 starts and literally no one else.
When your benchbros are (lets assume Barea and Fields start) TD, Bibby, Iman, Walker, Poop, Jeffries, and Harrelson/Jordan, you’re a good team.
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exact a mundo
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by Archie Barberio on Dec 10, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
poops aint coming back, and that sucks
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by Archie Barberio on Dec 10, 2011 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
since when
last i heard we had a 2 year contract on the table
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I just think he is going to take more money somewhere else
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by Archie Barberio on Dec 10, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
I'm still skeptical that we're going to get Barea
Even without him though, it’s really not bad. A bench of Shump, TD, Poop, and Jeffries (we all know Pringles won’t play more than 4 guys off the bench anyway) is OK.
i doubt we get JJ but man that would be sick because he is perfect for that up tempo system
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by Archie Barberio on Dec 10, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
We have a bench!!
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i think he might have to dig a little bit deeper into the bench this year
with the compressed schedule. which is why i think a guy like bully will come in handy.
by latrell chokewell on Dec 10, 2011 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
well
it’s us and mini. i mean, come on, out of any other team going after him, this is one of the few teams that people would take less money to go else where. not to mention they already have rubio..
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But apparently we'd have to be creative with a sign and trade to get him
And I’m not sure I see that happening
they love their pg's out there holy fuck
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by Archie Barberio on Dec 10, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
look at who we got
Melo is a top 5-10 player in the entire league, Amare is a beast, Chandler is the big we needed, Fields can ball, TD can ball, Iman is going to ball and we got some good role players off the bench
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by Archie Barberio on Dec 10, 2011 6:38 PM EST reply actions
don't froget td
he’s pretty good for a bench player. this isn’t like the miami bench
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by Archie Barberio on Dec 10, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
ah
missed that
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Mike Bibby's dad played for the Knicks on the second championship squad
Hopefully this will be a Like Father, Like Son thing.
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people are pissed about Bibby
I mean I cant stand him either but he is a solid signing, could be a lot worse
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by Archie Barberio on Dec 10, 2011 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
did we sign him for defense though?
I mean we need some sort of PG on the roster
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by Archie Barberio on Dec 10, 2011 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
Doesn't matter what we sign him for
Half the time he’s on the floor he’ll be on D, and he’s basically a sieve. He’d have to be an offensive destroyer for it to balance out, and he’s far from that. The less he plays the less he hurts us.
chandler
Jeffries and to a lesser extent amare are back there behind him. Even in amares case that’s 3 really good help defenders. I don’t understand why there’s all the bibby hate its a vet min contract. It’s like when Tommy d was pissy about us signing Shawnee Williams instead of Ewing Jr. Bibby is better than a lot of d league fodder and he’s not gonna play more than 10-15 mins a night. His shooting stroke is still there, and honestly I’d take him over Mason who played a moderate amount of mins after the trade last year. Worst case scenario, we cut him and find another Derrick brown type. Its worth a shot just like Mason was last year.
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 10, 2011 6:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Help is great, but
if you’re playing 4 on 5 on defense, you’re going to get burned no matter how good the 4 are – and when 2 of the 4 are Melo and Amare, you’re really in trouble (I agree Amare is a good help defender, but he has a tendency to lose concentration and lose his man on defense, and if Bibby’s man blows by him and then has Amare’s man wide open to get the ball to – that’s just a recipe for disaster). Last season, the Heat were a terrific defensive team, better than the Knicks, and they still suffered tremendously on defense when Bibby was on the floor.
I’m not concerned about the contract. He just needs to play about 12 minutes a night or less. Any more than that and you will see opposing backcourts destroying us.
agree
I wasnt really replying to you directly, it was just the last one I read. I mean hell Fischer was the starting 1 for 2 of the last 3 champs, and 2 of bynum, Odom, gasol aren’t as good defensively as jeffries amare Chandler. Bibby could play 15 a night and Wed be fine I believe. And about Carmelo, I think we are gonna be pleasantly surprised NY his d this year. As long as he isn’t guarding a rose or westnrook type (which he’d have no biz guarding in the first place) I think he’s gonna be at the very least an average defender. The only person who really scares me is Pierce against melo. Pierce doest depend on athleticism or even strength, much more cerebral in his offensive approach, and I don’t think melo has the defensive chops for that. But his strength will hopefuly make up for everything else against most 3s this season… at least I believe it will
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 10, 2011 7:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Fisher's D is noticeably worse than Bibby's though
And I’d like to believe that Melo’s D will improve, but it hasn’t ever been good in his 8 years in the league and I see no reason to believe it will be any better next year. It’s always possible I suppose, but I didn’t see any signs of it getting any better last year.
Anyway, 10-15 minutes a night of Bibby isn’t the worst thing in the world – I just hope we see both TD and Shump get more minutes than him.
definitely
There’s no excuse for him to hwt more minutes than either, unless he all of a sudden channels the Bibby of 01-04 against the Lakers. Or if Shump is completely lost running the point, which actually could be a possibility. But even if that happens, he’d still be backing up TD at the point and at most that’d still only be about 18 mins a game.
And I actually thought melo played decent defense for us against most people with the exception of Pierce. He played lebron pretty well, Durant didn’t go nuts, Granger he covered very well. Maybe its selection bias, because I never thougth melo was anywhere near the top tier of Kobe Dwight lebron, and we really need him to be closer to them in impact, and leas like a Granger igoudala, or even Durant.
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Uh what?
I never thougth melo was anywhere near the top tier of Kobe Dwight lebron, and we really need him to be closer to them in impact, and leas like a Granger igoudala, or even Durant.
Melo is much better than Granger and Iguodala, and Durant is in the top tier of players like Kobe, Dwight and Lebron
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maybe it was conveyed poorly
But I was trying to compare him to people at his position. I didn’t mean his talent level was the same as those guys, but that his impact needs to be closer to lebeon and Dwight (used to be Kobe, but IMHO the drop in sheer dominance of a gane after those two is pretty massive). He needs to match those guys in effectiveness or be close not kind of in the middle of aforementioned players. He is obviously much better than Granger and AI, but for us to win a title he needs to be right up next to the absolute elite players in the league.
In regards to Durant, I think he is a very very good player, but I also feel he is somewhat overrated. That team he is on is absolutely stacked. Harden would start at the 2 for every team in the league but probably Miami, and they’d probably start him anyway and just have lebron play point. Ibaka is a top defensive 4 Westbrook is an elite PG, Jeff green is essentially the same as Wilson Chandler. As great as Durant is, I think he is helped by this good Guy image, which may be true, but the media fawns over him and kills guys like lebron, melo, and now Dwight and Paul because they left the teams that drafted them. But if Durant were playing for his hometown Rockets or Macs (he’s from TX right?) And their cap was filled to he brim with the likes of Jamison, Verajauo, and Mo Williams making 14 mill +, Durant would be bolting too.
Sorry for going off on the tangent, these small market owners just piss me off. They were blessed to get these guys in the draft when they could have been drafting Olowakandis and Kwanes, and instead of being patient and letting guys walk after their rookie deals if they aren’t true stars or incredibly important to the teams success (Verajau resigned vs. Green traded by thunder for Perkins or the bulls letting go of Tyrus Thomas, Hinrich Ben Gordon etc.) The Magic, Cavs, and Hornets all got real lucky with certain draft picks, and the mess they are in now is their own damn faults. Recognize windows of opportunity and risk analysis, and if you have to sacrifice a year without a decent center or SF (verajau and rashard Lewis) then eat the hit, but come the following season when there is a true impact player available, you have that Lebron or Dwight to recruit them.
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 10, 2011 9:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think Durant is overrated too!
But I am a huge Melo homer
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Why does everyone around here think I'm ridiculous when I go on my anti Durant tirades
Everything I say was being said by everybody after he sucked badly in the playoffs in10.
It is a fact that he has no post game and isn’t that great at using his dribble.
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I cant imagine
itd be easy for somebody at his length to have a dribble game. Its probably so easy to poke it away. But, I recognize he is an incredibly good player, top 10 possibly. But, I do think Melo is far more complete, as he should be, being several years older and in his prime. Melo is the better player right now, and Durant could possibly have peaked unless he puts on some muscle to develop a post game. We all know Durant is amazing, but just give some credit to what Presti has done there. That team has as much talent as anybody else in the leag8e.
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 11, 2011 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
Well that is why him being a 6'10 shooting guard is inherently problematic
He’s not going to be able to slash or create off the dribble like the shorter guys, but unlike most big men he has no ability to play on the post. Basically he is not great at creating his own offense, let alone others’
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I'm not even responding to the Durant part, couldn't care less bout him
I just thought the “I am a huge Melo homer” part was funny.
Oh yeah I am lol
I make up ridiculous analogies like Lebron got drafted 1 in 03 so he is Hakeem, and Carmelo got drafted 3 so he is Jordan.
I am fully convinced that Carmelo could have a Dirk like playoff run (or, you know, like seven of those runs) if he just had the offense run through him.
I spent my whole day nagging my brother (who has a man crush on gallo and was anti trade) about D’Antoni’s “Larry bird” comment today how he would run the offense through Carmelo. I’ve been telling my brother since the trade that mike was gonna do that and Carmelo would tear apart the league and today I got my best vindication since the “triple double every night comment”
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Oh and sorry if it seemed like I was snapping at you with the Durant question
I meant it as a real question, but upon reading it again, it seems kind of mean
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Durant was from DC/Maryland
And like all local Maryland talent, decided to leave the state. I’m still upset.
Really?
I didn’t know that at all. And trust me man, Jersey is in the same boat. ALL of our top players football players go to USC, Georgia, Oklahoma, Miami, Florida etc. USC absolutely killed it for a few years here.
All of our good basketball players go to Duke, UNC and various other ACC/Big 10 schools.
The basketball thing actually isnt as bad, considering we do have good bball programs in the tri-state…. but football, is a sad state of affairs. Schianno should be getting a lot more shit than he has been considering how poorly he recruits in his home fucking state.
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 11, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
was his father good?
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by Archie Barberio on Dec 10, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
and creating ugly children
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Three things left to do:
Trade Balkman, sign Barea, and sign Poop.
We’re set.
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that would be awesome
JJ and Poop would be the shit
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by Archie Barberio on Dec 10, 2011 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
there was a guy on 1050
saying how he didn’t want chandler, he wanted mozgov since he believed chandler was 6’10. it was very funny
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Wow, that's just really stupid
Regardless of Chandlers height, he’s already proven to be one of the best defensive centers in the league.
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what else to you expect form some late night radio callers. there was a guy last year who wanted to trade barajasfor montero. this was a yankee fan
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I just remembered 1050 was ESPN
cuz I was gonna suggest Francessa but it’s probably Kay
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 10, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
bill daughtrey
he’s has the 10 to 1 slot i believe
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I was listening to that on Bill Daughtry's show
Senseless homers these days lol
I cant wait for fantasy basketball
I had Rose and STAT last year, I think I might go after Melo this year
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by Archie Barberio on Dec 10, 2011 6:42 PM EST reply actions
Well this explains the usual Hollinger Hate
johnhollinger John Hollinger
The Jersey Boy in me is beaming with pride that somebody demanded a trade to NJ. Zip it about the Brooklyn thing and let me enjoy this.
pffft
& The Jersey Boy in me wants to knee him in the face.
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The Jersey boy in me knows
that Dwight’s desire to play for the Nets has absolutely nothing to do with their being located in NJ and everything to do with the fact that they just happen to be the team Deron Williams currently plays for, so Hollinger can shut it. This isn’t a Jersey pride moment.
I never wanted Chauncey
kinda glad he is gone honestly, way too much money for him
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by Archie Barberio on Dec 10, 2011 6:46 PM EST reply actions
i don't know about that
i think we’ve had enough players with gun problems in ny…
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yeah he is an extremely bad fit for what we are doing in NY
our PG isnt supposed to score, he has to DISTRIBUTE
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by Archie Barberio on Dec 10, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
well
i don’t know how much of a distributer barea is. even in the playoffs, he only avg. 3.5 assists in 18.5 minutes.
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3.5 assists in 18.5 minutes is pretty good
That would put him in the top 15 in the league if he played 36 minutes a game.
realy?
your right. i just never saw him realy as a passer
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Don't go by a limited sample like that
If Arenas played 36 minutes he would still average 3.5 assists.
Ah
Well then, change Arenas to Barea and 3.5 to 5.5 and I stand by my statement.
I don't think we have any argument there...
36 minutes and 5.5 assists is pretty much what Arenas has averaged for his career…
didn't barea
almost leas the country in assists when he was in college?
wait
So he can take shots away from our actual offensive weapons?
was this ment to be a pun or no?
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Bibby plays worst def then Steve Nash.
I thinking bout a def stand point
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actually his D rating is better than Nash's
Nash has one of the worst D ratings I’ve seen on a PG but he’s Nash and his offense makes up for it I guess…Bibby’s? not so much.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 10, 2011 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
I hate Bibby but I do try and be fair
Nash is probably worse on D. I believe the stats in this case.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 10, 2011 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
nash at least runs around on d
bibby just watches you go past. i bet nash gets rebounds at a higher rate than bibby, and that is defense, believe it or not.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 10, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
well
lets just hope he isn’t starting. i don’t know about barea’s D.
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of course
and shump is suposedly a good defender. also i don’t think barea is much of a passer. his stats don’t realy indicate such
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well he definitely looks to score first
also he’s really small. it could work. i dunno. i don’t like the guy. but it coudl work.
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I agree but I don't think Barea is that bad on D
and overall thus far I’d say Barea is the better player. I think TD has a much higher ceiling though and that is why I wouldn’t dash him away so quickly.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 10, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
I liken him to a less athletic Nate Robinson
that can actually run an offense and focus
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 10, 2011 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
so i assume you mean Barea > Nate
i completely would agree with that, although i have so many fond memories. then again, i have definitely blocked all of the bad nate moments from my mind at this point, and there were many.
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by ny knickerbocker on Dec 10, 2011 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
yep
Nate is mos def more exciting tho. I get the feeling that he tries to be exciting instead of making the right plays. I mean he’s a competitor and he wants to win, I have no doubt Nate puts effort into the game but he doesn’t setup teammates often enough or make other players better on the floor.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 11, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
Nate is kind of a dude that either is off and having a bad game, can take over a game with his own play, or is playing great and having no effect on the rest of the team and they still lose
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i realy don't
not a very good character guy. if we stumble out of the gate, it won’t be pretty. he’s also never in shape. he knows how to run an o though…
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i happy about that, but i’m not realy crazy about bibby. if we get barea, i don’t realy see a need for bibby
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if he playys for vet min
then it can but b4 that he has to either get a buyout from cavs or have them amnesty him and clear waivers first
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someone will pay davis more then the vet min
he’s better then that
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well if he's amnestied then it won't matter
because another team will out bid us but if no one bids and he gets thru to become unrestricted it may mean teams aren’t as interested as one would think and thus a vets min may have a shot in the dark. Especially if he wants to be here.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 10, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
he still gets paid his full contract by the Cavs anyway
what he signs for has no bearing as whatever he gets paid is deducted from what the Cavs have to cough up.
thats my understanding anyway
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That’s ONLY in the bidding process. If the winning bid is 3 million then that comes off the cabs contract. Otherwise if he clears waivers its just like in any other sport, he gets another contract on top of the cabs one. I gotta feeling were gonna get him in a similar fashion turn billups with Miami. Hell, no player can be that freaking greedy and want another multi-year 8 figure contract after being amnestied. He’s got an assload of paper as it is, hell sign with us for vet min if he clears.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 10, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
and I doubt any player off the amnesty will ever geta 8 fig multi year contract that same season
If that were the case, teams would never have let him slip thru amnesty and become a UFA anyway.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 10, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
i was just being hyperbolic
For somebody like Davis, who has 9 figures coming to him on top of a rookie contract and I believe another deal prior to the clippers one, 1.4 million would suffice for him. I don’t think he will go play for a team under the cap for a 1 year 3 million deal and end up back in golden state, or Toronto. I think he’s either coming here or to another serious contender, Dallas possibly to split time with Kidd. I can’t really think of any other big market contenders that don’t have a very good to elite PG. Clippers possibly, but I don’t see them trying that experiment again, and the Lakers are getting Paul… so by process of elimination, unless he is incredibly greedy and wants to squeeze every single last time he can possibly get, he will take the vet min… as long as he IS amnestied and then clears. He will get far and away the most minutes with us out of all the contenders.
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all good
everything you just sed makes tons o’ sense
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 10, 2011 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder if the Knicks
even have Davis in their plans. Its like how we was as fans when we wanted Williams from the D-league. LOL
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at this point, probably not
i mean, they already signed bibby, and they’re in the hunt for barea. plus there’s already TD and maybe shumpy playing the 1. how many guys do we need there?
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Bibby hasn't been signed yet
There is an agreement in place, but no ink on paper.
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it seems like he wants to play here
There’s no space on the other contenders with Paul in LA, burps to the heat, rose in Chicago willaims with the nets, westbrook, Rondo etc. He got paid, and we have a glaring hole for a playmaking 1. If he wants to play here we will make room.
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shumps is a 1 & 2
he started off as a two and by his last year he was playing the 1 spot
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 10, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
It's too obvious for it to not be on their minds
But they know that him getting amnestied is not in our hands
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So here's something
D.Howard wants a trade to the Nets, but NJ first must clear $5+ million from cap (J.Farmar and D.James may have to go).
I’m no fan of Farmar, but at least he’s not Mike Bibby. Also I have no idea how it would work.
i think
He has a multi year deal. I think we could do much better if we ate gonna commit more than one year. I’d rather not tie up more cap space, when next season with a full MLE signing and a Landry or TD extension may put us at the Max. Isn’t that what changes with this CBA, there is a Max a teams salary can be? Like 75 mil or something?
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I doubt we even consider it if it helps get them Howard
In our division?! Personally, I’d rather these divisional battles be more competitive but for Knicks front office? I’m sure someone would get fired for suggesting it
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 10, 2011 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
Shouldn’t let the division thing stop you because if they want to move those guys to free up space, they WILL be able to do it, and whether or not they get Howard will depend on competing offers from teams like the Lakers. So, if the Knicks feel that Farmar is a good pick-up for them, they’re really only hurting themselves by not doing it for the divisional reason.
I agree with you but I don't
yea if they wanna move him he’ll probably get moved regardless of us but the reasons we sacrificed all the young talent we had and the reason for these recent big moves and the constant negotiations is because we’re trying to win now.
Howard on the Nets is a direct and immediate threat to that.
Still…if the opportunity were there in which we could get a critical piece of the puzzle filled and all we had to do was aid the Nets it’d be something to think about sure but I don’t think the talent you get from Jordan Farmar and his contribution to this team will be enough to off-set the improvement of the Nets with Howard and the threat they’ll pose there after in a playoff race or playoff run.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 11, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
if we do get barea,
and had to give up bill walker i would go after michael redd for the vets min asap.
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It might sound crazy but, I think we should trade
Douglas ONLY, I mean ONLY for a 2012 first Rd pick. This draft will be deep.
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we have a first round pick next year dont we?
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 10, 2011 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think anyone would give up a 2012 1st for TD
not that I think it says anything about his talent but I think the rest of the league underestimates him.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 10, 2011 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
i agree
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Let's just buy a pick
With all the talent coming out in 2012, we could land someone in the early second who would normally be a first rounder.
I decidedly don't really like getting Bibby but can live with it, but, and I'm sure its mentioned
I wait to see what Cleveland does with their collection of point guards. Davis or Sessions have got to be going and I’d take either over Barea. I like Barea. I don’t like him on the Knicks. Davis cuz he got plenty of tank left and he’d be splitting minutes anyway, Sessions cuz to me he don’t need need attention, can score despite weak 3Pt shooting, and because I believe MDA & Co can make him a better player and defender (he’s young and smart enuff)
what do we need JJ barea for?
td/bibby can more than manage the pg spot
landry /shump at the 2
melo / bully 3
amare / E
chandler / JJ
we’re good. maybe a cheap old center like kurt thomas would be a better use of money
Man.
I wouldn’t go so far as to say that a combination of Toney Douglas and Mike Bibby can more than handle the point guard spot. That’s still probably bottom five worst point guard situations in basketball.
I know it would probably cost Toney Douglas, and that’s why I have no idea whether or not I would want the Knicks to do it, but adding JJ Barea, if it’s possible, would be absolutely huge.
Also, guys, I don’t think the reigning NBA champions would have any use for BILL WALKER or RENALDO BALKMAN. It’s not happening.
didn't the mavs just get vince carter in FA
and rudy during the draft? they have enough guards and no one wants renaldo.
Yeah those things happened.
I think there are probably about 10 teams interested in JJ Barea if it’s via trade, and I’d say about nine of them have better shit to offer than the Knicks.
I can't wait to see how TD looks but Bibby, his dist skills have been neglected for some time
I don’t trust him to run an offense fuggettabout defending. Maybe Mike Woodson has magic D dust to sprinkle on him, who knows
Yeah
They were a good defensive team, not great. I don’t think Bibby is as terrible as everyone’s making him out to be. He’s garbage, don’t get me wrong, but I’ve seen him stay in front of people before.
And yeah, even though Barea might be unlikely (I don’t see how we could do it without trading TD, Shump or Landry – not worth it), we could use another PG. I wouldn’t feel comfortable with Shump running PG other than on occasion.
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They were a good defensive team, not great. I don’t think Bibby is as terrible as everyone’s making him out to be. He’s garbage, don’t get me wrong,
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 10, 2011 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
at some point you have to trust what you have and not play this silly ass game of trying to find player X from the free agent or amnesty pile.
we only need a pg in this offense to inbound the ball and run it through carmelo. do you really think a PG in this offense is going to be a QB? doubtful.
Mike said today he's putting Melo in the Larry bird role
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More Billups: “it’s like (the #Knicks) forgot all about the impact I did have on that team….”
More Billups: "If Im healthy vs Boston, we’ve got a really good chance in that series. But once I got hurt…
More Billups: “The whole deal with Denver was about Melo…But I dont think the #Knicks valued what else they got in the deal.”…
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I pretty much agree with everything that he wrote
Except for the last point.
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honestly he shouldn't be that mad
from the moment he got here, he was griping about being traded from denver…now the knicks use their amnesty on him AFTER picking up his option, and he has the chance to double-dip and earn back not only the money he lost due to the lockout, but even a little bit more than that.
I understand that the whole situation sucks from an ego perspective, but it really could be far worse for him. Billups is a good dude, and I wish him the best, but he needs maybe a few days to cool down.
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by ny knickerbocker on Dec 10, 2011 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
Can they double dip?
I thought they just got their old team to pay the contract
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my understanding is that he gets paid for his old contract and then has a chance to sign a new one
i could be wrong though
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by ny knickerbocker on Dec 10, 2011 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
Only if he isn't bid by one of the under-the-cap teams
Then he becomes a FA and can double dip.
right, and since he is actively threatening any team that might try to pick him up
i think he is headed down that path.
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by ny knickerbocker on Dec 10, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
it's more about him possibly being claimed by a garbage team AND possibly being so far away from his family
He was content in Denver and got pulled into the Melo trade cuz Denver thought he was washed up.
He should be mad but not at us, he should be mad at Denver. Yea he was a nice bonus but we didn’t want his contract much like no one wanted his contract before he was amnestied.
We gave him a shot and he pulled up for transition threes from damn near half court and in the end didn’t produce enough for our front office to feel comfortable in keeping him. For whatever reason he didn’t perform and that’s on him.
I do think if we weren’t sure about him that we should have never picked up his option last year and then things would have been easier on everyone but the lack of a new CBA kind of made it hard to plan at the time. But we did pick up the option, tell him it was all good and then amnesty him so that’s on us. But we never wanted his contract to begin with and it’s Denver who put everyone in this position…or Carmelo depending on your perspective.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 10, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
i agree with almost all of what you're saying
but did it really hurt him that we picked up his option? it may have hurt dolan’s checkbook, but i don’t see why it would bother him at this point. he wasn’t going to get that money on the open market.
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by ny knickerbocker on Dec 10, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
I understand him feeling disrespected
And I fear him going to the heat. He is too reliable a shooter.
It kind of sucks for him. He is a quality player, but he is old so it’s hard for a team like us to consider him part of our future.
I will say I don’t think he gave full effort for us. Not that I blame him too much, just saying.
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if i were him i'd resign with denver
given that it’s where he wants to retire and his family is there. but i would also understand signing with miami and trying to take us down. either way, i would have no hard feelings…it’s his choice at this point, after all.
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by ny knickerbocker on Dec 10, 2011 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
Nah - I don't fear him at all. And we may be missing pieces but we needed 2 absolutely
A point guard after this season and center since Camby/Kurt/Pat. We didn’t have to make this move but really, we had to make this move. I never thought we had a chance at Chandler let alone Kwame Browne/Dalembert what with going after CP3. This is a huge win for us. I do feel bad for Chauncey and I guarantee I’d be just as pissed too if it happened to me, who knows what could’ve been, but from a fan perspective, I’m sooooo happy and feel for the first time since like 2000+/- we have a team that can go deep. He def wasn’t the link. People keep pointing to a point guard, but C has always been our missing link in the 2000’s, and what’s more, am I the only one who thought CB wanted the O work for him rather than he work for MDA’s system?
Thing is Chauncey can't play like Steve Nash or even ray Felton
He just lacks the legs to push the tempo. The best way to fit Chauncey, Melo, and amare probably would have been flex or triangle.
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someone should remind Chauncey that he is 36
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by Ozraider on Dec 10, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
for real
Why does anybody feel bad for the Guy. We could have declined his option which was what, 4 million buyout? What freaking team under the cap was gonna give him 8-10 million? That’s what he’d need to match what we are paying him this season (were it a full season of course.) There isn’t a single team under the cap that would pay him that much, because what the hell would a young team under the cap do with a PG that is THIRTY-FUCKING-SIX and they aren’t ready to contend for a championship this year. It flat out wasn’t gonna happen. Now, he gets his money, and he can pick a contender, or go back home to Denver. Hell, he didn’t wanna leave anyway, and if he cared about his hometown nuggets so much he woulda realized that for the package to work he had to be in it for the nuggets to get the most value back. It isn’t personal, its fucking business. Go ask Jackie Robinson about personal vendettas prohibiting one to play and take that whimsy bullshit elsewhere. You got paid 14 MILLION prorated to do whatever you wanted. You’re freaking lucky that it was he Knicks that traded for melo because not many other teams would pick up that option and then eat it.
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exactly
and he is talking about not being given an opportunity to be the ‘PG of the future’ lmfao
I agree with a lot of what he said and if he was healthy we would have probably at least picked up a couple of wins vs Boston but thats what happens when you are 36, you get injured and you break down especially late.
The other thing as that this condensed season is going to be even tougher for the older players even less chance of making it through especially if we make a deep run.
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meh
I just don’t see why he is all pissed at us. He never stated that he really wanted to be here. We paid him over 15 million dollars to play 3 months for us. What other NBA player much less human being would bitch about that? He can do whatever he wants now besides play in NY. That’s a pretty good deal for a player that’s over the hil
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It aint the money
it’s the choice. He’s not so much mad that we got rid of him but it’s how we did it. With the amnesty he’s put in a position where he has no choice what city he goes to, or how far away it is, or how the organization is run, or how good or sucky the team is.
and for a competitor with his talent(despite the loss of a step and a trigger finger itchy beyond belief)…as a man with pride the loss of that freedom is like a slap in the face.
So he’s emotional. I get it.
It’s as if he’s worked his way from the mail room on minimum wage to a senor executive with a corner office and now he’s being shamed out of the building having no options or choices of his own at the moment after being promised he’d be part of the future for the company.
I’d be a little pissed to.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 10, 2011 10:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
do you think he would prefer
we declined the 14 million option and he had a choice where he went or that we gave him the 14 million with the amnesty situation?
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exactly
I’m now totally convinced the billups option pickup was a conspiracy type under the table deal Dolan had from the Melo trade when billups’s griping almost ruined the trade
I agree with Smack , but not with anyone on this conspiracy stuff.
Billups was a stop gap til getting CP3 or whatever and a trade chip. The new CBA gave us an unexpected in to getting Chandler. Did anyone see this coming? Don’t think the FO did either til they realized they could get Chandler.
That all hinges on him being worth 14 million
Since he’s not all the Knicks needs you cited were better served by declining his option
Stopgap: use the 14 million to get better pg for less or at worst resign Chauncey to 1 year for 14 million. Who else would??
Trade chip: again use the 14 million to get a better trade chip
New CBA: The fact that FO didn’t know new CBA would have amnesty makes picking up option even worse. Lucky there was that amnesty or we’d really be screwed by the option pickup
I’m not against what FO just did and have no sympathy for billups. I just think it exposes either 1) the FO really really blew it picking up option or 2) FO had to pick up option bc of handshake deal w billups during melo trade (didn’t option pickup happen first day available or something)
Fact is everyone agrees billups not worth 14 mil so don’t pick up option. It’s just like a biz decision for widgets. If you have an option price below market pick it up, if option above market leave it on table and get market value
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yea I think he would have preffered we declined the option if he wasn't in the plan
and really it would have made more sense to coming in to this off season. I’m thinking the front office didn’t anticipate what effects the CBA would have on Dallas and how’d they react.
I don’t think prior to that anyone would think that Cuban wouldn’t go hard to bring back Chandler and I doubt the Knicks even knew Chandler would want to be here.
The CBA had as much to do with these events than anything else, no conspiracy.
Still, I think Burps is just being honest. I agree with almost everything he’s said. He’s emotional but he knows what he’s doing. He’s on a media campaign to prevent being picked up on waivers, he wants to be a free agent plain and simple and I’m sure he knows he won’t be getting another 14 mil contract. In fact he’d make more if he were claimed off amnesty so it aint about the money. I don’t know how he feels about the Knicks but I guess he’s more mad over the situation more than anything else.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 11, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
And hella overpaid
If he were making an appropriate salary, teams might not be so eager to get rid of him
Does Billups know he isn't a top PG anymore? He is not close to a top 10 PG anymore.
Arguably not even a top 15. Personally, I think he’s around 18th best for starting PG’s when I look at the names and numbers.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
not terrible, but unlikely
and i particularly don’t see renaldo being referred to as “bulkman” unless he’s been going to nathan’s a lot more than usual.
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by ny knickerbocker on Dec 10, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know it kind of fits
I mean he is a burden on the Knicks salary cap
Matt Mulligan is the worst TE ever
Rumors going around that Berea will be done tomorrow
as well as Shumpty signing and being in camp
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For Balkman, Walker, and Toney
I have reservations about this.
WOW
I’d hate to see TD leave.
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Jamal is a luxury, not a necesity
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No to trading
defensive guards for offensive chucker guards. Jamal can playmake a little, and he was decent for us, but no.
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by fuhry on Dec 10, 2011 11:02 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Hell yeah
Only one of those guys ever plays so it’s basically Jamal for Toney.
And honestly, Jamal Crawford is a much better basketball player than Toney Douglas.
And no, TD's defense doesn't make up the gap
This is the same Toney Douglas who does stupid shit like be up in Rajon Rondo’s grill 30 feet from the basket on one play, then let him get the ball past the free throw line on the fast break the next. He tries on defense which is great and all but he’s hardly Gary Payton.
As far as combo guards go Jamal is the better passer, better scorer, he’s five inches taller.
But honestly, there’s no way that trade goes down so I wouldn’t sweat it.
Toney is a somewhat overrated defender
Very good at applying on ball pressure and good at playing the passing lanes, but everything else is bad.
Of course it didn’t help that his partner in defending the pick and roll was frequently amare.
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I'd do Jamal for toney
In a new York minute. I’m smiling thinking about it
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But now how the fuck do we get him?! I’m praying we don’t make anymore trades, so what, do we use the stretch exception on him?
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Its exactly what we don't need
A scorer
by michael28102 on Dec 10, 2011 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
He's kinda like a combo guard
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Jamal's actually a pretty good playmaker
And how can another scorer hurt? He’s not taking the ball away from Melo and Amare, and if he were to join our team, our offense would be damn near impossible to stop.
Plus he runs a nice PnR, and he and Curry used to have some ESP on the alley-oops. He and Tyson could do the same
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Ok.....
So lets do it then if he is a better playmaker than toney
by michael28102 on Dec 10, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
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Yeah, but
Toney plays good defense and Crawford doesn’t, and Toney is 24(?) and Jamal is 30.
Yeah Toney's 100000x better at defense
But Jamal would make our offense disgustingly good
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Are offense can be disgustingly good without Jamal
He can also make it disgustingly bad when he’s cold.
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I think he'd be playing a different role than ever before
It’d be interesting. Joe Johnson doesn’t command the respect that Carmelo and Amar’e would. I couldn’t imagine Crawford taking more than 10 shots per game with all the guys we got on our team.
Plus he’s devastatingly good in the fast break and has underrated court vision. He also has devastatingly bad defense, but right now we only have 3 players who have proven to play legitimately good defense. I mean, ATL didn’t suffer too much from him being a bad defender
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If by suffer you mean
never sniffing the conference finals, then yes, they didn’t suffer. Crawford will shoot. He can play point guard, but he’s not a pure distributor. That would be OK if he was a good defender, but he isn’t and he’s on the wrong side of 30.
Pick him up? OK. Trade Toney for him? No, no no.
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by fuhry on Dec 10, 2011 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
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That's all I've been saying anyway
I’ve never said I wanted to trade anyone for him. In fact, I’d be very upset if we traded anyone for him, unless ATL wanted to do a sign and trade for Bully or Balkman
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Yes
Granted it was a shitty team, but one year he averaged 21 ppg and 5 apg in a NYK uniform
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He's a good player and I always liked him
BUT, I think Toney’s defense is an asset to this team.
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Definitely
As a free agent, hell yeah to Crawford (for me, anyway)! As a trade, hell no!
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Defensive culture
is one thing you must have to win a championship. Toney’s a big part of that, and with Carmelo and Amar’e on our team, we can’t afford to be giving away defenders.
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by fuhry on Dec 10, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Another scorer can hurt
when that scorer can’t defend to save his life. I like Jamal, but no, uh-uh.
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I think having an offensive player like Crawford off the bench would allow us to rest STAT and Melo without losing scoring punch
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you might be right actually
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Or Bibby i guess
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Yeah, a shooter can get cold and there's nothing you can do but watch them chuck bricks.
But a defender can defend consistently no matter what.
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by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 10, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+ 8,000,000
When the Knicks had Childs and Ward platooning at point guard, every other point guard from Marbury to Iverson chuckled. But those two guys were the best defensive point guard tandem in the league, and the Knicks went far, without getting significant scoring from them.
I say we go defensive with our point guard rotation and don’t make a move like this until you see what kind of stuff Shump can do.
I mean, really, you want a point guard rotation of Mike Bibby and Jamal Crawford? And then you want to beat Derrick Rose? No way. Give me Toney any day of the week.
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by fuhry on Dec 10, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I remember the allyoops, but I don't ever recall JAmal running pick and roll.
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by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 10, 2011 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
How would he not take the ball away from Melo and Amare?
Unless he doesn’t play a single minute with those two, he’d likely be taking shots away from them and into his low percentage hands. And he plays no D. No no no.
Carmelo and Amar'e wouldn't allow him to pull those shame shenanigans
I don’t think D’Antoni would either considering how much he has at stake. And Tyson’s a bonafide leader who will get on guys’ case for messing things up. I just don’t think Jamal would get away with the same degree of chucking
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Also, his shot selection was much better in ATL
He shot 45 FG% in 09-10 and 42 FG% last year, which isn’t great, but it’s really not terrible either. And again, that was in a stagnant, isolation offense and where he was relied upon as the second scorer.
Here, he’d be number 3, with two guys who simply wouldn’t allow him to chuck. If he signed as a FA, I think it’d be a great match
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Toney's stats look just as good
Better assist to turnover ratio, similar FG percentage, better 3PT %. And Toney’s younger with more upside and a much better defender. I mean, stats aren’t everything, but I just don’t think this exchange helps you enough offensively to compensate for how it hurts you defensively.
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Why do you keep saying this to me?
I’ve said and agreed several times I DON’T want to trade anybody for Crawford. If he came as a free agent I think it’d be amazing
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I wouldn't give up Toney Douglas
For the mere hope that Jamal Crawford reforms his chucking ways.
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I just don't believe he's a better player than Toney Douglas is.
And in three years, he definitely won’t be.
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If Amare and Melo have to police him, I don't think that's a good situation
We don’t need players who need to be told not to shoot. We need guys who naturally don’t feel the need to take their shots.
(I will concede a counterpoint that hasn’t been brought up yet though – there are signs that TD is more of a shoot first guy also.)
This was mentioned above, but I wanted to start a new thing for it
More Billups: "it’s like (the #Knicks) forgot all about the impact I did have on that team…."
More Billups: "If Im healthy vs Boston, we’ve got a really good chance in that series. But once I got hurt…
Ummm… his impact? What, 21 games where he shot near abymsal percentages, ran a stagnant offense, and then sat out with a knee injury in the playoffs, that our previous PG (Felton) would have definitely played through?
Yeah, we’re underrating your “impact”, Chauncey
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Screw Billups
Only really good thing was pull that terrible 3 out of his ass against the heat
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Yeah besides that he pretty much sucked
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I think Billups has a lot of pride
and really is not seeing that he’s on the downside of his career. Granted, he hasn’t slipped much, but it’s tough for a team to think about growing with a guy that is headed toward his late thirties. Chauncey wants to be respected for what he’s done, and he should be, but the fact that he’s 35 makes it kind of hard to be real psyched about the guy. And his injuries aren’t just random – they tend to happen to older guys more often.
Billups time was in the past. He may land with a playoff team and hurt us… but I ain’t scared.
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I'd be scared
And I understand his anger, but dude is bitching to the media and it’s over the top. His shots at the Knicks are absolutely ridiculous. And he wasn’t respected player until Detroit, so ignoring his trade past before then, he’s been traded TWICE. And one of those was to his hometown team where they were legit contenders for a few years.
Get over it dude
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He looked very good until Dwight destroyed him with his bionic knee
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Fair enough
Ray Felton played with a messed up ankle and back, was playing 40 minutes a night after signing a nice, reasonable contract for lesser years than he wanted, said he wanted to be a New Yorker for life and got traded to Denver for Melo, where he didn’t start a game. And he never publicly went and said anything like this about New York.
I’ve said it already, but I guarantee Felton would’ve played with whatever injury Chauncey sustained in Game 1. Dude was a warrior and was underrated during his short time here
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yea
I think he has reason to be upset but I don’t really have a positive view on his production during his tenure here
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 11, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
I'm actually OK with the Bibby thing
First of all, his dad played for the Knicks, so that’s cool. Second of all, he shoots decently from 3. Third of all, he may not play defense well, but we have an intimidating defensive center now and two former college defensive players of the year in Toney and Shump that will probably be sharing time in the back court. I think he’s another look for us, and experienced guy, and if he’s getting abused we can replace him with a guy that can D up.
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I don't see Atlanta taking on additional salary
when they are already 7 mil over the cap just to help us out, we can’t even send cash because we already sent 3 mil to washington
ATL isn't stupid
TD is an asset they can use and makes them better when they weren’t getting anything back for jamal
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They'd be smart because
Toney Douglas is quite possibly a better all around player and is younger.
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Yes
and for all the talk of TD being awesome there is the possibility that Shumpert is better defensively than TD is. Jamal Crawford at 5.7 million is an asset we can move if it doesn’t work out chemistry wise but a chance we’d have to take because of the potential upside.
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I guess I don't see them going into luxury tax range to add TD
well I hope because I rather hold on to Toney
I know that as fans we get attached to our players
but Crawford is WAY better than Douglas. Its not even close. We would miss TD’s defense a bit, but don’t forget that we drafted an elite perimeter defender in Shumpert.
this is a good point
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Defense is half the game
With a starting lineup of Melo, Amare, Crawford, Fields, and Chandler, 66% of our team can only play 50% of the game…
I think you mean 60% :)
But I am in complete agreement. Guys, signing a good defensive center doesn’t mean that everyone else can suck at defense and it’ll be OK.
We have no idea whether or not Shump can play in the NBA or not.
I don’t see how Crawford is WAY better than Douglas. Their offensive stats look almost the same though Toney turns the ball over less. Yes, Crawford is taller, but what difference does that make? Toney still gets more rebounds. And Crawford doesn’t use his increased height to defend.
You’re talking about a Bibby/Crawford point guard rotation and you want to stop Derrick Rose from breaking down your defense… I don’t know. Maybe Shump can step in and do that but I know Toney can take 5 points off a guys game total. Yes, Rondo fucked with him, but Rondo fucks with a lot of people and Toney had a bad shoulder.
Toney has disappointed me with his point guard play. I don’t think he’s a starting point guard. But I still don’t make this trade.
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Ok so you're picking players for your team and TD and Craw are there
are you telling me seriously that you’re taking TD over Craw?
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Considering this team's needs, Crawford's strengths and weakness and age, and the fact that the NBA isn't a pickup game
Yeah, I’d take Toney.
Me too
I’m not convinced Craw is what we need or that he could change his stripes. He’s awesome one game and completely disappears the next. Total lack of consistency and non-defender. With Bibby already on your team, you don’t put Craw next to him
This team's needs?
Isn’t acquiring the best players a need? The fact is the Craw is a better payer than TD
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And acquiring the best players works if they compliment the team as is
We were terrible perimeter defenders last year. Bibby and Craw are terrible perimeter defenders. Neither are consistent scorers so we’ll get offense every now and then and defense never
It's not merely a question of talent or production
I agree that Crawford is better overall than TD. But this is a precarious situation. There is already concern about Melo and Amare together – Amare wasn’t exactly dominant post trade. We don’t need another volume shooter in the mix.
TD doesn't have to go anywhere if we get Mal
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I don't know that I mid Bibby
He’s got ties to NYC from when his dad Henry played here, all we need is for someone to be steady enough at the point and be able to get the our guys the ball. I trust him more than or other options…it’s gonna be interesting how they get Barrea to sign and what thy’ll give up for him to do so…but I think the Knicks are finally in a good place now…
working on it
As long as they don't trade Toney for Crawford
Sorry to keep harping on it. That’s all I’m going to say on it. Maybe I’m wrong. I hope they don’t do that.
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I like Toney
but is he on the same level as Crawford??? when did that happen?
working on it
by BlackRican08 on Dec 10, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
TD seems like he's reached his potential in a lot of ways
working on it
by BlackRican08 on Dec 10, 2011 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
third year
is usual time for players to turn the corner, be it good or bad.
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I disagree a 100%. What's more is lets see him playing without injury
But I do think this is a clear make or break year on if he can be a competent distributor/game manager or not.
well, i'm halfway with you
i think toney still can get better, but i don’t think this year tells us much of anything. there’s practically zero training camp or preseason, and there aren’t as many games. i wouldn’t worry too much if we got the same old toney this year.
by latrell chokewell on Dec 10, 2011 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
Pre-injury he was doing pretty well, he does try ghastly passes tho
If he stays healthy he’ll be fine and exceed last year. I love his shooting when he keeps his form and sets his feet and is not just running and chucking
I'm gonna go ahead and assume you didn't watch many Heat games last year
Which is understandable, allow me to summarize Bibby’s performance.
Terrible. At defending, distributing, etc. Anything non-spot-up shooting and headband wearing related.
His dad could be Lebron’s maternal grandmother, but doesn’t make Bibby a better player.
Bibby kind of suffered from the Lebron effect though
He is a better shooter than he shot, if you know what I mean. It’s hard to stay in rhythm if you only shoot when Lebron kicks it out
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Here is something
John Hollinger @johnhollinger Calm down NYC. Any sign-and-trade for Crawford puts the Hawks in the luxury tax. Non-starter.
by Mikel L on Dec 10, 2011 11:33 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
well that fixes that
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this is good, if only because i don't have to think about it
i think keeping toney is better for this team, but man…
i have a soft spot for jamal. i really enjoy watching that guy play. the crossovers and the four-point plays are always incredible to watch. if the trade went down, it would be bad, but i wouldn’t bring my pitchfork to dolan’s office or anything.
by latrell chokewell on Dec 10, 2011 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
Hollinger
is so freakin annoyed that the Knicks are a good team again. He’s always been a major league moron and he is getting especially obnoxious lately with all the great moves we have been making lately.
This is why he wrote an entire article praising our front office's 'clever' moves
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If you've been reading Hollinger
over the last 4 years you would have thought it was impossible to build what we have now. No cap space, no draft picks, no chance at ever improving, on and on. Sorry to disappoint you Hollinger, but the Knicks are coming. Laughs on you.
He's a Hawks fan though
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I could write a phd thesis length paper on why Hollinger is an idiot
And how he is corrupting basketball analysis
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Do you disagree?
I was thinking about doing a fan post
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I disagree
While I might not agree with all of Hollinger’s opinions and biases, I generally think he is an intelligent analyst.
Do I feel he relies overly on stats when the NBA requires a more holistic approach? Yes, but ESPN pays him to be the numbers guy and he is good at it.
I find some of his analysis to be OK, but I find his statistical work to be fairly superficial
He doesn’t do much in the way of figuring out what’s going on below the surface, where stats can be much more revealing.
I'm not sure I'd go quite that far
He has been somewhat instrumental in, for example, getting the mainstream media and fans to start focusing more on things like pace adjusted stats. That said, PER is stupid, as is his reliance in using it as the ultimate tool in evaluating players.
Some of the numbers are useful
But a lot of them take in too many variables or unnecessary convolution
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I think the Knicks are doing their due diligence
But that doesn’t mean that there’s anything actually in the works.
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what did they get back?
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by michael28102 on Dec 11, 2011 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
this sucks for NJ
they’re gonna go all in for Howard now
Just like jersey "pulled out" of the Melo trade?
Or is this for real?
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For what it's worth Spanish website Tiro al Blanco @tabpr
is saying JJ Barea has signed with the Knicks and will be announced in the morning
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Riiiiiiight.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 11, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
Ugh, Bibby
Dude can’t defend the Raptors’ mascot. And he doesn’t create shots for anybody.
I’d rather just see Douglas and Shump get all the playing time at PG. Unless trading Bibby is how we’re going to get Barea?
Did someone say...Raptors Mascot???
Ohh, one of the greatest moments in human history...bahahahaha.
by BJabs on Dec 11, 2011 12:01 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think you have to wait 90 days to trade free agents you just signed
Anyway, as bad as Bibby is (see my post a few above), he is just a backup and a guy to fill out the roster.
More eventful?!
Thursday, Friday, ooooorrr Saturday
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I think it felt craziest on Thursday
Now I’m like “oh? Chris Paul’s going to Kansas City and the Knicks have expressed interest in Doug E. Doug? Cool okay.”
Thursday was the craziest
The way it all exploded was unprecedented, at least in my experience as a basketball fan. That said, it’s been pretty exciting since then as well. I love all the action on P&T in the past few days.
Exactly....
My answer would be thursday, but would you be surprised if the answer ends up being sunday?!
Heres how it will play out:
Hornets call the Celtics (Ugh), The Knicks (Ughghghgh), and the Nets (Possible Paul Williams swap…..which would make Dwight want to go there only)
Knicks will tell them to screw off, the Nets will as well, and the Celtics will beg them to take Rondo. Hornets and Celtics work out a trade and Dan GIlbert goes nuts. Stern kills it. Riots break out in Boston. Stern Resigns. CP3 retires into millionaire estates with Chauncey Billups .
And thats just before lunch
by michael28102 on Dec 11, 2011 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
Ha!
I came out of class and checked Twitter and my feed was just like “Knicks” “Tyson Chandler” “Billups” “Trade”. I was so excited, I could hardly take the time to read all of the updates and details on it.
That day was crazy
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Lakers just outsmarted the NBA
Genius
Have plenty of assets to top Nj and get Dwight
Paul will have 1 option this offseason…..LA.
so we picked up barrea instead of bibby? ...**potentially**
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
i think we've picked up both, if that spanish website's report is legit.
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by drivingandthriving on Dec 11, 2011 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
I dont see how.
Especially with TD still here. Yes, i will deny he is gone until its officially reported
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
So the Lakers are giving up on Paul
Focusing solely on Dwight.
Warriors and Clippers unwilling offer up a young star for Paul, but Boston is, but Paul won’t stay with Boston…
CHRIS PAUL FOR THE MLE!
The Mini Mid Level
Except he’s not a free agent.
by michael28102 on Dec 11, 2011 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
Haha
True…..who is gonna have cap space that is in a big city
by michael28102 on Dec 11, 2011 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
Its almost comical with Nets Fans now
First: SO EXCITED WERE GETTING DWIGHT
next: tampering……were actually idiots. Fire billy king. We will settle for Nene
Then: AHHH DWIGHT AND NENE…..IS IT POSSIBLE (no)
Now: Shitttttt
LOL
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Why do people choose to be nets fans
I always find random Knicks fans to talk to, even living in Chicago. I don’t think I have ever met a nets fan in my life. I have like 30 family members in jersey and they all root for the Knicks
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NetsDaily has a unique mix
Of the most devoted, active, and at times completely ignorant fans I’ve ever seen. My personal belief is that because NetsDaily churns out so many informative articles, the comments section becomes akin to that a Youtube or Yahoo News comment section.
More people on the site than who fans that go to the games
by michael28102 on Dec 11, 2011 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly
Its almost too big
Good thing about here is you generally know every commenter and its not massive comments flowing in
by michael28102 on Dec 11, 2011 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
They absolutely
hate us I read it a decent amount. They make fun of the animal articles. It’s actually a really good site, but they are SO concerned with what the Knicks do its insane. You wouldn’t think there would be an inferiority complex considering how awful our franchise has been with the exception of a few years in the early 70s and 91-2000
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 11, 2011 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
I love the aminals though Seth!
we just need to devote more to the honey badger! Can Tyson be the honey badger?
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 11, 2011 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
that is some amazing total recall
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by ny knickerbocker on Dec 11, 2011 1:03 AM EST up reply actions
Well
Just be kind to them if you go over there, and if they come over here. I just want everyone to be civil, even if we don’t like each other’s teams/blogs.
I love the site
but the fans are kinda crazy, but I stay respectful when I go to other blogs. No reason to troll when the shoe can be on the other foot very quickly… Lest i forget the whole HWSNBN saga
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 11, 2011 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah we are
but we dont shit on the Nets ad nauseum. Its non stop there. I really have no issue with the nets. Hell, they have had a ot more success than us over the last decade
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 11, 2011 1:08 AM EST up reply actions
The inferiority complex thing is annoying
It is a lot more natural for me to hate the heat, bulls, and celtics, but I hate the nets too because their fans hate us so much
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The funniest thing about their inferiority complex
is that some of them actually believe that the Knicks’ front office makes moves designed to effect the Nets. It takes a special kind of stupid to believe that.
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It's a rivalry created by Nets fans.
I loved when ny knickerbocker went over there and made a civil fan post and 80% of the replies were “Hey you’re civil and nice and not a dick! I wish the rest of you Knick fans were like ny knickerbocker and not illogical tremendous dicks!” It was funny.
Fish Fingers give me a break.
It's a one sided rivalry
I actually rooted for the Nets after the Knicks got eliminated in some playoffs. I just really feel sorry for them. The Nets’ have one of the worst fan bases around, which is what makes NetsDaily’s popularity so perplexing. They can make a blog very popular, but they couldn’t sell out playoff games.
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Well
the area that Continental Airlines was in was ludicrous for a Basketball team. The meadowlands worked for football, because there is only 8 games a year… but for there to be NO public transportation besides bus, and no way to get there besides driving from most of the state outside of northern jersey (bergen passaic etc.) it was near impossible for the team to draw home crowds. It was downright idiotic to put a basketball team there.
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 11, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
HAHAH that's so true!
It’s the articles and the guy who runs it does a great job of positioning himself as some sort of “insider”, which of course he isn’t. But he is good at what he does, which is to get people talking about a franchise that’s been a total zero for many years.
Of course I prefer our Seth…
they are dedicated
I don’t know how many of them there are but they go super hard
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 11, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
And now
Mike_Bresnahan Mike Bresnahan
Source confirms that Odom is gone “for sure,” and Paul trade has fallen apart. Not for Howard, either. Source: It’s a straight salary dump.
7 minutes ago
Nets Fans: YAYAYAYAYAYYA
by michael28102 on Dec 11, 2011 1:00 AM EST up reply actions
hahhaah
this was interesting to read. I actually kinda like you guys
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by CinnamonToastCrunch on Dec 11, 2011 1:11 AM EST up reply actions
let's keep it that way!
i have no ill will towards nets fans…though i still hope you guys never sign ill wil.
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by ny knickerbocker on Dec 11, 2011 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
We aren't bad at all
in fact we cross over a lot at Amazin Avenue, and i dunno but possibly at that cesspool known as pinstripe alley. But, MAN do you guys HATE the knicks over there
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 11, 2011 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
it has a lot to do with the tons of attention the knicks get from the media and everything compared to the Nets. Just frustrates us i guess. ….and i visit pinpstripe alley too!…oh and i go to rutgers hahah
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by CinnamonToastCrunch on Dec 11, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
I hear that
I have gotten over it somewhat with regards to baseball though. Reyes gets angry for being pulled from a game for injury precaution and he is a baby. Paul Oniell beats a water cooler for the same thing and he is “firey.” Joba Chamberlian goes ballistic after getting a bases empty popup in the 6th inning and hes a gamer, while Beltran Smooth as…as… a tooth… ranges over like a gazelle to make a catch in the gap, and then in the next inning doesnt run out a damn pop up to to the 2nd baseman and he hates winning. Ya just accept it for what it is.
BTW which campus are ya predominantly at?
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 11, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
the thing is
I like basketball period. I moved to NJ a few years ago so I have no malice towards the Nets but it seems they have a glorious hate/obsession with the Knicks. Even going as far as to have Knicks related topics and fan posts that have nothing to do really with the Nets. That right there sours the new identity you guys are trying to carve out for yourselves.
Best thing to do is to wish each other luck or just ignore each other. Anything else just seems childish.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 11, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
I feel terrible for New Orleans
They had a great trade for them done and the NBA fucked it then put such a price even the lakers who were willing to give up 2 all star calibre players couldn’t afford it. I think the NBA is determined to make Paul suffer financially for leaving New Orleans. Seeing Paul go to free agency will really test the new CBA if teams are just going to trade players a year before their contracts are up they are really circumventing the spirit of the CBA and will be interesting to see if CP3 really is willing to give up that money.
What ever CP3 does it will set an interesting precedent and if he caves for the money then i can see a lot of other teams playing hardball with their stars in the future.
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The NBA has literally assured that the Hornets are either getting nothing or Rondo
For the best PG of the last 10 years.
Or maybe Paul caves takes the money and stays
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Agree with this
Take 100 million and build a contending team around yourself
by michael28102 on Dec 11, 2011 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
They tried that
3 years ago. Now Paul is older and the Hornets are much much worse team. And building a team around a PG is damn near impossible.
I can’t imagine he’d want to stay in NO after forcing his way into 2 failed. People will go to great lengths to avoid embarrassment. At this point I bet he’d rather take the vet min than face that New Orleans crowd in the first game.
well the CBA was written with the idea that the extra money would convince guys to stay with the teams that drafted them
Kind of seems to me that the league wants to test out these new rules and make CP3 the first experiment.
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???
I’ve been trying to figure out why they don’t want Rondo. Easily a top 5 PG and last year he played as if that were an understatement.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 11, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
It really is upsetting.
Demps did a great job negotiating the first trade. That’s about as good as you can possibly hope for in that scenario.
Honestly
At this point…..can you name me a few possible Chris Paul destinations.
The Lakers, Knicks, Bulls, Nets, Mavs, Heat all aren’t gonna get him. Biggest markets in the league.
I guess its the clippers now but do they even have cap room in the summer. I feel like the hornets can keep him at this point
by michael28102 on Dec 11, 2011 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
totally agree
the problem is how the Clippers aren’t going to be able to offer a better deal than the one New Orleans had with the Lakers and Houston especially if they are the only remaining viable option they already asid they aren’t giving up Gordon, how does the league justify approving the trade?
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I think clippers is a great choice for him
Him, Gordon, and Blake would be crazy fun to watch and makes perfect sense chemistry wise. They wouldn’t be favorites, but they’d be real good. Perennial highish playoff seed
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but how could the NBA approve a worse trade than they already vetoed?
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Say it's about new Orleans taking on less salary . . .
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Not gonna get him without gordon leaving
by michael28102 on Dec 11, 2011 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
seems stupid
I know they’re high on Gordon but you don’t get something for nothing, if they can make a play for Howard and Paul they need to do that and give up everyone needed not named Griffin other wise I’m sure Griffin will be out the same year his rookie contract is up.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 11, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah probably not
It might have been feasible at the deadline, but now I’m hearing deandre is going to the warriors.
Can they use Kaman to get back okafor though?
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interesting
johnhollinger John Hollinger
Any exception created by dealing Odom isn’t big enough to take in Turkoglu. I’m not seeing LA’s endgame here, nor why Dallas would help.
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Oh shit, guys
From Sam Amick:
Two sources confirm @AlexKennedyNBA report that Knicks are looking into a sign and trade with Atlanta for free agent gunner Jamal Crawford.
Sign and trade?! No!!!
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Whoops
My bad. This thing is so full of comments, I lose track of what’s been said. To my knowledge, I thought it was only the Knicks talked to Jamal, as in FA
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yeah, i hear ya WSD
i’ve made similar errors, and the traffic on p&t right now makes it pretty damn difficult for us old timers to process everything…it’s just a lot more than usual. though admittedly, i’m making a heroic albeit nerdy effort to read every single comment on here.
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by ny knickerbocker on Dec 11, 2011 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
I'm more than down for that
Hope we can keep shumpert because I’m holding out hope he could be a force defensively
But any of the other guys would be fine (obviously not the “big three” though)
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At this point
I feel like trading anybody not named Balkman or Walker is just like a lateral move. We don’t get any closer to filling up our roster, and we lose a vital piece in one aspect, even if we get a leg up in another.
I love Jamal and if he came here as a FA I’d be ecstatic. But trading for him gives us a great leg up in offense, and then another leg down in defense
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by ny knickerbocker on Dec 11, 2011 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
Landry and toney are not untouchable to me
I’d give them both up to get Jamal . . . I would miss Landry though. He is a good team player. He would be ultra useful if he weren’t so slow laterally and therefore a kind of bad defender
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Both!
We must not be talking about the same Jamal Crawford.
by Seth on Dec 11, 2011 12:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Landry
is a FA after this year, and I really don’t see him as much more than a backup SF. A middling one at that. Decent rebounder decent outside shooter and not much else. I think we should trade him ASAP and capitalize on the rookie season. But for Crawford… Please god no.
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 11, 2011 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, i don't see how you could trade both of those guys unless it was for somebody major who fills a distinct need
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by ny knickerbocker on Dec 11, 2011 1:08 AM EST up reply actions
Well probably not at the same time
But Jamal did drop 50 on Dwyane wade!
I think the rumored sign and trade only involves toney and walker and that guy who smokes a lot which I would sign off on
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Nah Clyde is untouchable
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by Chairman Meow on Dec 11, 2011 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
hrmmm??!?!
seth, have you been lifting with greg recently?
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by ny knickerbocker on Dec 11, 2011 1:18 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
hey. its a business man.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
The arguments I made against Crawford still stand
Old, expensive, redundant, bad defender.
The proposed trade was Balkman, Walker, and TD for Crawford and I wouldn’t even do that., let alone Fields and TD (basically our starting backcourt)
link
for the balkman, walker, TD move
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
That's a feasible deal
but it does sound like it’s a hypothesis, not an actual package that’s been offered.
I've got some Pixie Stix leftover from Halloween I'm willing to part with
But, if Crawford agrees to a lower starting salary, trading just Balkman and Walker would be agreeable to me.
Crawford
is a flat out disaster. If we get Barea, we are fine for now.
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 11, 2011 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
Outside of pick and roll
I think Jamal is a better play maker than Barea
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There is no way
he is as quick, as good a ballhandler nor slasher. WIth those three components and the pnr, Amare can become a focal point again, with Carmelo waiting on the wings while the d switches. I don’t think Jamal is near the playmaker. Barea woudl really thrive here I believe
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 11, 2011 1:13 AM EST up reply actions
Jamal I think is a better ball handler
Jj is a mean pick and roll player and I wouldn’t mind him, but Jamal I think ican do more. All I saw Barea do was play pick and pop with dirk
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you didnt see him
carving up the lakers cutting to the whole? I don’t see Jamal doing that much at all anymore, and not much when he was 25
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 11, 2011 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
wow big grammar fail
cutting to the hole
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 11, 2011 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
That was dirk though
They murdered them with that pick and pop because either you let dirk drain it or Barea gets in the lane
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And you don't think
Amare could fill that role? And Barea’s quickness played a big role, dont ya think?
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 11, 2011 1:21 AM EST up reply actions
Amare and Barea would be nice
But amare isn’t quite the shooter dirk is and I think it’s easier to play pick and pop than pick and roll so I don’t think it would be quite as devastating as the dirk-Barea punch
Mal could play pick and roll too plus he’s a better shooter and can create for himself better. Barea is somewhat limited by his size
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The size is an issue
but Amare has really developed that jumper, and it’s up there with the best in the league if he’s open now at his position. he won’t hit the circus shots dirk does, but they also didn’t have Melo out there taking attention away. But, i think we are just gonna agree to disagree. i admit, I have never been a Crawford fan
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 11, 2011 1:27 AM EST up reply actions
Crawford was a bit of a mess under a goon of a coach like isiah
And even in Atlanta their offense ilacjs discipline.
I think mike would reign him in and he could be great
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That Romanian looking word was supposed to be "lacks"
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Damn Romanians
my moms husband is Romanian, and he started saying something about her and I being like the Soviets one time when we gave him shit for forcing my little half-brothers (his children) to pray in a certain eastern orthodox way. We pleasantly reminded him on who collaborated with the Nazis
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 11, 2011 1:34 AM EST up reply actions
Landry isn't untouchable
But thats just insulting…..If your gonna trade Landry, do it for a legit point guard and only do it if shump is what he could be
by michael28102 on Dec 11, 2011 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
Dream Scenario
We have the mini mid level left right now…..sign Barea with that
SIgn and Trade Balkman Walker and TD for Crawford
Have the hawks buyout walker
Resign Walker to a minimum deal
PG:Crawford/Barea
Sg: Shump/Landry
SF: Melo/Walker
PF: Amare/Jeffries/Jordan/Harrelson
C: Tyson/Jeffries/Jordan/Harrelson
And obv a vet min deal for shawne but thats not likely
by michael28102 on Dec 11, 2011 12:51 AM EST up reply actions
Well couple problems
Barea wants more than the mini-mid level. We wouldn’t be able to resign Walker cause of trade rules. And personally I think that trade for Crawford is not ideal.
Also, Shump would not be starting over Fields or Barea.
we don't have the mid-level
“Because the Knicks dropped temporarily below the cap, they forfeited the $5 million midlevel exception and the $1.9 million biannual exception.
They now have only the $2.5 million "room" exception, a salary slot that was added in the new labor deal. It can be used only for a two-year contract, meaning the most the Knicks can offer a player now is $5.1 million over two seasons."
Yeah, michael28102 was referring to the room exception
He just called the mini-mid level, cause that is basically what it is.
Speaking of,
earlier when I was talking about the stretch exception, I was referring to the room exception. Sorry if that was unclear. I had heard it called the stretch and that it could be used for teams with room under the cap but I guess that’s a bit confusing with the ability to stretch out contracts now like you mentioned.
Gotta say
I’ve completely lost interest in the whole CP3-Lakers-Hornets-etc story. I’m totally just tuned-in to the Knicks right now
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Wait
so the Lakers just gave up Odom for a TPE… I don’t get that at all… What the hell are the Magic gonna do with a TPE. They could just get that by letting Dwight go as an FA. A massive one at that., and the Lakers aren’t gonna get anybody for a TPE that will entice the Magic… I’m really confsed
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 11, 2011 12:55 AM EST reply actions
You can't trade exceptions
Odom trade is a salary dump for LA.
Also consider this
Rob Mahoney @RobMahoney 8 mins
Remember that time the Mavs turned the inevitable, gainless departure of a prized free agent into Lamar Odom?
so wait
what does a TPE actually do? I thought it lets you take on salary if youre over the cap? Hence Rautins for Tyson
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by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 11, 2011 12:58 AM EST up reply actions
I'm a little fuzzy on the details
But a trade exception is just something that lets you make uneven trades. Like counterbalancing a weight almost.
so wait
what does a TPE actually do? I thought it lets you take on salary if youre over the cap? Hence Rautins for Tyson
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 11, 2011 12:58 AM EST reply actions
uhhh Im so confused
Mike_Bresnahan Mike Bresnahan
Source confirms that Odom is gone “for sure,” and Paul trade has fallen apart. Not for Howard, either. Source: It’s a straight salary dump.
7 minutes ago
Its a real trade
If it isn't for Howard (which I don't believe but you know, who cares)
then it’s just as much of a “ohshit Lamar Odom is royally pissed and there’s no way in hell he’s gonna play for us so we better trade him” as a salary dump.
I believe its this
Salary dump + get rid of disgruntled player.
If they don't bring someone in
Kobe is going to be PISSED!
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by Ozraider on Dec 11, 2011 2:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't even know what the NBA is
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Lakers will get the Mavs’ first-round pick in 2012, maybe a second-rounder as well.
by michael28102 on Dec 11, 2011 1:02 AM EST up reply actions
Seriously?
Jeez, ignore what I said up there. That’s a coup.
It'll be late twenties though
No Harrison barnes’s or Anthony Davis’s to be had there
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Still, they had to get rid of him.
Getting a first is better than what they should have gotten given the situation IMO.
I'm posting this then I'm out
-Dear Knicks Front Office,
Please don’t make anymore trades. And get to signing Shump, Jorts, Jeffries and Jordan, so there are more than 7 players in camp
-Dear Shawne Williams,
Please accept our offer and immediately poope in the corner
-Dear JJ Barea,
Please come to the Knicks for not much money compared to other NBA contracts you could get
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This i agree with 100%
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
I made a twitter account just for this offseason
Paying off big time.
Haha me too bro!
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by Chairman Meow on Dec 11, 2011 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
Regarding the NetsDaily discussion up there ^
Why is the community so massive? Is it made up of the Nets PR department?
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I've always wondered that myself.
Comments flood every article; I don’t get it at all.
They put out a ton of articles
Literally every piece of Nets news finds its way to NetsDaily.
and knicks news
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 11, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
Net Income
writes good stories and he is on top of like… everything. I think he knew Iazzoonne or however its spelled
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 11, 2011 1:18 AM EST up reply actions
he's pretty good, he's no seth tho
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 11, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
I was just over there actually and one of the stories on the front page talks about their pursuit of Poop.
Net Income mentions something about how the NBA would have to do weird abbreviations when Poop and SheWill played against each other in the box scores and that now, they might always have to do it if they play together on the Nets. I’m sure it was a brain fart, but I find it odd that he’d forget that the two were on the Knicks together as recently as April. No big deal, but yeah.
They are not allowed to call him poop
They can come up with their own shit.
Damn little brothers
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by Ozraider on Dec 11, 2011 2:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
They don't, I don't think.
But I’m not gonna refer to him as anything else.
Good
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by Ozraider on Dec 11, 2011 2:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
This one comment created an entire conversation at Nets Daily
I think they think that we are jealous of the size of the site
by michael28102 on Dec 11, 2011 1:35 AM EST up reply actions
Not the first time I've been jealous of someone's size :(
And link to it? The funny part is I sort of like the Nets.
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by Chairman Meow on Dec 11, 2011 1:36 AM EST up reply actions
I don't mind the Nets at all
I often visit NetsDaily when I am bored because its an unending stream of consciousness where I can criticize terrible trade ideas.
I enjoy going through their posts
on (control find knicks)
So entertaining to see how they care about us so much
by michael28102 on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 AM EST up reply actions
In this thread
control find Knicks
http://www.netsdaily.com/2011/12/11/2627452/cp3-deal-dies-l-a-shifts-to-d12
by michael28102 on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 AM EST up reply actions
Wow
And I thought I had invasive forms of surveillance.
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by Chairman Meow on Dec 11, 2011 1:42 AM EST up reply actions
Is it just me or has the nba been a lot more fun since "the decision"
Anxiously awaiting the day my username will be appropriate
The sustained madness of the past three days is almost making up for it
And I’m really enjoying the Knicks making serious moves and buildings team
Anxiously awaiting the day my username will be appropriate
I love player movement and these past few days have been great
I just wish it had come at a time when I wasn’t trying to get into a college.
Dude
your time just gets less and less. I’m at that point that I can’t play New Vegas for 5 mins without my girl bugging out. Imagine having kids…..? Christ
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 11, 2011 1:25 AM EST up reply actions
And break your wii
then cry, then shit, then puke, and cry while they puke and then rip up your old ladys tits so she doesn’t wanna bang. I wanna adopt the next lebron when he is 12 and take all the credit. Say it came from my white genes
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 11, 2011 1:35 AM EST up reply actions
Well that sounds like a normal round of Super Smash Bros
Also I was referring to the original. I like to pretend Nintendo closed shop after the 64.
i hated 64
i was 12 at the time and the only games i enjoyed were killer instinct and turok. GOldeneye to an extent. The minute Metal Gear SOlid came out i traded my 64 and its accessories for a PS1, memory card and MGS, followed by RE2. I was never a nintendo guy, I didnt even play it as a kid (born in 85 so totally my time) i was the sega kid.
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 11, 2011 1:46 AM EST up reply actions
first Golden Eye is classic! classic.
but that metal gear solid easily one of the best games I’ve ever played in my life. right up there with final fantasy 7
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tell me about it
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 11, 2011 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
Go to state school for engineering
It’s the advise I wish someone had given me
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Now that I think about it...
It’s because the Knicks are good.
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by Chairman Meow on Dec 11, 2011 1:20 AM EST up reply actions
its been as fun as trading Landry and TD for Jamal Crawford
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
So what's everyone's dream scenario?
Mine is anything where we keep TD and Landry, and we end up with Baron Davis.
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+1
landry I’m not the biggest fan, but im a big proponent AGAINST crawford
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 11, 2011 1:18 AM EST up reply actions
One where we trade Balkman + Walker for Crawford, but keep TD
Get Baron Davis and Barea
Also all the Knicks gain superpowers based on their personalities.
With that last part,
we’d want to keep Balkman, no?
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by Chairman Meow on Dec 11, 2011 1:20 AM EST up reply actions
Magic happens and we get Crawford and Davis
Dont care much about anyone else, although I’d like to keep at least one of Landry or Iman
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CP3
Enter the Clippers
https://twitter.com/#!/KBergCBS/status/145748949247070209
I would love it if the Clips got him. They’ve always been my favorite Western conf. team.
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What the hell
is with SBnation and twitter links. Thety just dont work
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 11, 2011 1:24 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that would be my guess.
Tells the site that the link is over for whatever reason.
The numbers at the end of the link?
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 11, 2011 1:28 AM EST up reply actions
Let's see.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmelo_Anthony
http://en.wikip#edia.org/wiki/Carmelo_Anthony
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by Chairman Meow on Dec 11, 2011 1:33 AM EST up reply actions
Even weirder that it didn't stop immediately.
Seems like the next non-letter character after the # is what stops it.
Actually, it did, even though it left it highlighted.
If you click on the bottom link it gives you the page for “20” instead.
If you click on the one with the #, it takes you to the article for "20"
So it does stop the link, just not visually, I guess.
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by Chairman Meow on Dec 11, 2011 1:38 AM EST up reply actions
whyd this one end up lke that?
i see no difference
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 11, 2011 1:35 AM EST up reply actions
I just reported that to them.
Let’s see if I can make a difference.
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by Chairman Meow on Dec 11, 2011 1:28 AM EST up reply actions
I might put money on the clippers being the final destination
Makes a lot of sense as long as sterling acts in a matter completely contrary to what 30 years’ of evidence tells us he will
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If the Clippers include Gordon, they're in
Griffin is so good, he actually made a star want to sign with the Clippers.
Well
if they didnt moronically sign Butler, they’d have the Cap Room for 2 Max’s before grifin reached FA. CP3/Dwill + Griffin + Howard = WINZ
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 11, 2011 1:32 AM EST up reply actions
Well that would've required foresight on the part of the Clips
Not their strongest area of expertise.
I would feel good for the true Clipper fans
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by Ozraider on Dec 11, 2011 2:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
they still could but it'd take some creativity and manueveringqqq
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 11, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
I have a idea
Lets move all free agency and trades until 2 weeks before the season starts every year!
Hahaha
I was waiting for someone to say that, that’s what we said about the NFL FA period too lol
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by Ozraider on Dec 11, 2011 2:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
think dwight's announcement
had anything to do with the gossip in the magic organization
reportedly:
1) CEO cheats on his wife who happens to be owner’s daughter
2) CEO retires (owner fires him)
3) Dwight asks for trade because owner wouldn’t listen to him
plus the owner is the chairman of the board of some conglomerate, its hard to even figure out who is in power and calling the shots
makes working for Dolan seem, well, straightforward at least
sounds like
that dude who was married to Stienbrenners daughter and was like President of Baseball Ops. Cheats on her and he is the frozen out. Fool went from running the biggest franchise in sports to nothing… Moron, just whack it till the old man croaks then sleep with whoever you want.
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 11, 2011 1:37 AM EST up reply actions
This made me laugh and feel bad
RT @david_j_roth: Stern knows that he could just move to contract the Hornets, right? He doesn’t need to be so passive-aggressive about it.
That's hilarious.
It's like saying you dislike Don Frye's mustache, which itself is the equivalent of spitting on the Constitution. - Anthony Pace
That has to be the only way this gets crazier
and maybe even the solution
by michael28102 on Dec 11, 2011 1:48 AM EST up reply actions
I suppose its unlikely that the NBA does something ridiculous in the next 30 minutes
Time to finally sleep.
Ok, here is one thing I don't understand
and yes, it would be “circumventing the salary cap” and all, but how the hell could they prove it? Since the CP3 thing has blown up, tell Melo to contact him and tell him to go to FA, and sign the Mid-level with ny for 1 season. Oral agreement, that nobody knows about but CP3, his agent Melo and DOlan, that as soon as the CBA allows we sign him to a max extension since he is now on our team and we can go over the cap. Have some shady mafia dude pay for like 100 million dollar insurance in case paul gets injured, that is secretly paid for with dolans money laundered through sad shady mafia/cartel dude. BOOM CP3 is a Knick with everybody else. Lemme guess though, Bird Rights cant be acquired this way or some other stupid CBA thing that prevents my team from winning now and al the time?
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 11, 2011 1:56 AM EST reply actions
I miss that show
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by Chairman Meow on Dec 11, 2011 2:04 AM EST up reply actions
Holy shit balls
Thats hilarious
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by Ozraider on Dec 11, 2011 2:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Pretty sure that doesn't work
HOWEVER: Carmelo and Amar’e can renegotiate their contract down 40% next year. Assuming the Knicks aren’t stupid enough (BIG ASSUMPTION) to expend cap space on 2 year deals, there would be size able cap room to sign someone.
Really depends how bad they want to win vs how much they want to get paid.
I think they can negotiate it down 40%.
As in, down to 60%. Same basic principle, though.
Players can renegotiate down 40% over a longer period
But, it only applies to new contracts signed under this CBA, not Amare’s or Melo’s. Also its a pretty terrible option for players, get paid less and wait longer to get a new contract? A team will need a pretty amazing reason to convince a player.
Subtract all the hyperbole i put in though
a straight wink deal with a strong verbal commitment that we wouldnt leave him out to dry in case of injury… why dont teams do this?
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 11, 2011 2:23 AM EST up reply actions
Hell,
if ya dont get caught, and its not really cheating… just really taking advantage of bird rights and the MLE
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 11, 2011 2:25 AM EST up reply actions
It'd probably be collusion and tampering
And something else.
you could give a multi year mle with a player option yr 1
so if injury strikes you’d still get 15/20m, which is some insurance, but if it doesnt you cane-up to the max.
seriously though, what happens if cp3 can’t get to a contender? most have no cap space in 2012, or are moving on to other targets (us with tyson, lakers with howard)
I can't believe how good our starting lineup could be at rebounding this year, especially given that was on of the main weaknesses last year.
Chandler=Top 5 rebounding center last year
Amare=Above average rebounding PF
Melo=Top 3 rebounding SF
Fields=“Top” rebounding SG
TD=Above average rebounding PG
That’s damn impressive.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
I wouldnt call Amare 'above average'
More like ‘slightly below average’ but your point still stands.
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by Ozraider on Dec 11, 2011 2:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I would
His rebounding numbers were down last year, but 9 per game puts him at ‘above average’ territory, which is where he usually is. 9 per game would put him 6th among power forwards last season. Chris Bosh is still an above average rebounder in my books too even though he only got 8.3 per game last season, ranking 13th among qualified PFs.
But I usually don’t even use rebounds per game to judge a rebounder anyway. It really only depends on your teammates and how much of a stat-whore you are. David Lee and Kevin Love are stat-whores, while Amar’e is not, so Amar’e won’t get the rebounding numbers that those guys get, even though we all know Amar’e has the potential out-rebound them. I would dive into team rebounding statistics to attempt to prove my point, but this is actually my last act before I go to sleep, and I can’t be assed with that. The general idea is that Amar’e has deferred rebounds to his teammates since the beginning of his career, and has very, very rarely been seen ever ‘ripping’ a rebound aggressively away from a teammate, the way we see very many small forwards and shooting guards do. Amar’e has played with a lot of these kinds of players.
to add
How else can we explain how Chris Bosh went from 10.8 rebounds per game in Toronto to 8.3 rebounds per game in Miami? Did he suddenly become a worse rebounder in Miami? Hell no! It’s because he was playing alongside a small forward and shooting guard who LOVE to stat-whore rebounds. Watch a Heat game last year and all you see is Bosh deferring rebounds to these guys. It’s why personal rebounding numbers are such a crock of shit. Fuck em! I have strong emotions about this :)
Well....
I’m convinced, Above average it is.
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by Ozraider on Dec 11, 2011 2:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thanks for explaining, stats wise he's above average.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Shump's a great rebounder if/when he gets the starting job, too
and while I love Fields, he’s not athletic enough to guard Wade for extended periods of time, so I’m excited about Shump
TYBG
by The Rooster on Dec 11, 2011 3:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, and Jerome Jordan is supposed to be a great shotblocker and above average boarder.
And Harrellson’s strength is rebounding, so I wouldn’t be surprised 1 bit if we are the best baording team in the NBA.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
so many comments!
but the Knicks didn’t do shit! I’m going back to porn….
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good call
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Watching it or being in it?
Proud owner of over 20,000 comments. (most of them in the wrong place) Oh yeah, and Buster Posey
The numbers
After looking at the Mavs from 09-10 to 10-11 the gave up 3 less points a game…let’s say he has the same effect… so the knicks go from 105.7 a game to 102.7 points allowed. Now its time to figure out where we score the points.
I think its safe to put Melo and STAT at 25 ppg a piece which is pretty much what they averaged last year.
Chandler was around 10 but I think that goes down a point or two without an elite pg so let’s low ball that and put him at 8
Using last year :Douglas ~ 10 Fields~10 Walker~5 and Jeffries~2
Now that puts us at a total of 86 points + 1 for humpty yay! = 87
And to add Bibby~5 Jordan? Harrelson? (I randomly gave them 2ppg a piece) and shumpert a big ? (I have big expectations so I put him at 8 ppg)
For a grand total of 104ppg
putting us at +1.3 differential… Now I know the roster isn’t complete and we don’t have a full team
Miami had the best differential last year at +7.5
I think the best chance we have to come close to that is if Fields improved his mid range and bumps his ppg up to 14/15
and douglas evolves also with a healthy shoulder to that 14/15 range
What do you guys think about the numbers… Do we suffer without a true Pg? all food for thought nom nom nom
no offense but that is a dumb way of breaking it down in a complicated way
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I didn't think it was dumb at all. Maybe not the most intellectually rigorous breakdown of adjusted +/- but I didn't really see anything wrong in what he said.
Or if it was dumb, at least say why you thought it was dumb?
Fish Fingers give me a break.
dumb was a bad choice of words I just think its an over simplified was of looking at it just going by avg scoring
It’s highly possible that Chandler actually scores more playing with two elite players etc. its a fun exercise but in reality means absolutely nothing
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You also
cant discount pace, and Points Per 100 possessions. Much better indicator.
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 11, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Stats are for losers
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sweet
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YEAAAAAAHHHH!!!!!!!!
Matt Mulligan is the worst TE ever
Good freaking god
How has Smith not yet learned his lesson? You are losing Dwight Howard. You need to clear payroll, and acquire DRAFT PICKS. Your team is F’D in the A, unless you were able to get rid of all of these vets with multi-year deals and begin rebuilding. I understand J-Rich is a quality player, but having him eat up 7 mill in cap room for 4 freaking years is a downright waste on a team that is gonna be so far away from contention without Howard. Smith is seriously almost as bad as Isiah. The guy just has no clue how to build a team, and he absolutely destroyed a team that was handed Dwight Freaking Howard.
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 11, 2011 10:18 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
i think the magic resiginign j-rich means they have no intent of rebuilding...means dwight to lakers for bynum and gasol..simply put the best "win-now" package magic will get...
cause brook slopez and a bunch of worthless picks aint gonna cut it.
Welll
I hope they enjoy being a worse version of the Hawks.
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 11, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
I don't see it
I’d say more like a 45-48 win team, which isn’t all that different from the Hawks.
Hinrich < Nelson but not by much
Joe Johnson > Richardson albeit way way way overpaid
Josh Smith > Q Rich
Gasol > Pachulia or whoever else they throw out there by a long shot
Horford > Bynum by a moderate amount
Ok, the magic team is better, but not by all that much.
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 11, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
And they are once again
in salary cap purgatory with a team that is nowhere near even winning the east
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 11, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
you know you're reaching
when you’re excited about Q-Rich as the 5th starter
by latrell chokewell on Dec 11, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Hey hey all this trade talk and speculation is good and all, and I'mma let you finish your gobbledygook Twitter,
But Shawne Williams is the best corner pooper of all time. Of All Time. Why have we signed Mike The Choad Bibby with nary a whiff of Poope? Answer me! GRUNWALLLLLLLD!
Fish Fingers give me a break.
They signed Bibby to massage TD's back
Matt Mulligan is the worst TE ever
From all the twitter talk
It appears that we’ve offered Shawne a 2 year vet minimum deal. He has offers from other teams for more money, and we’re waiting on Shawnee to make up his mind. My guess is he comes back.
“I know he’s got some interest elsewhere and he’s looking, as he should,‘’ Mike D’Antoni said. "Right now I know he’s taking care of the business end, and hopefully it works out and he comes back to us.’’
fuuuck that's literally the last thing I want this team to get done.
Look for your under-the-rock PG’s AFTER we sign Shawne. Hell we could use another forward off the bench. Let’s get Patrick Jr.!
Seriously why not sign Pat Jr. to the min?
Fish Fingers give me a break.
Bibby is a fine backup PG. He's not the starter he once was, but he's an ok backup.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Question
Why am I hearing that TD is being used as trade bait for Jamal Crawford? Don’t we need a point guard? Crawford doesn’t play point, right?
Jamal's more of a PG then TD unfortunately
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 11, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Isola, Hahn and Berman
All reporting that the Knicks are working on a sign and trade for Jamal. Berman says Douglas involved ‘in one scenario’.
I don’t see how Douglas could not be involved. The Knicks have no other asset, besides Bill Walker, who’s worth about a bag of potato chips right now. And Balkman, who’s only value is to us as entertainment. The Knicks have no more cash to put into trades until July and I don’t think they have any picks.
I just went from feeling kind of meh to feeling great in the last couple of days. This would make me feel crappy again.
DON’T DO IT GLEN
Get The Frickin' Rebound
Yeah Crawford has never been that good of a Sixth-man plus he can't defend
Matt Mulligan is the worst TE ever
No man see he has never been that good of a defend-plus he can't Sixth-man.
Fish Fingers give me a break.
listen if Lamar Odom can get dealt for just a trade exception
anything is posssssssiiiiiiiibbbbbbbbbllllllleeeeee
also I think some of y’all are way too down on Crawford
by 100% dundee on Dec 11, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
i wouldnt mind crawford
especially only if its only for TD…Douglas is a good defended but isnt much of a playmaker..if we gonna have a guard that shoots every time he touches the ball, might as well be jcrawford…plus i miss the 4pt plays and sick crossovers
@therealzlander
I love TD to death
but Mal > TD. I want to keep both tho
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 11, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
if we can get JC for just a trade exception
ish
that would be awesome!
I can't figure out Perry Fool...
well Toney doesn't make enough money to affect anything
so I don’t see why we’d have a motive to send Toney. I’m excited about getting Crawford back though
TYBG
by The Rooster on Dec 11, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
twitter reports
NYPost_Berman Marc Berman
Told #Knicks and Hawks working on 3-team deal for Jamal Crawford with Douglas involved in one scenario
@therealzlander
uuuggghhhh
please please please no
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 11, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We get a lot weaker on D for Guard with TD gone though. Don't we have enough scoring?
Shump can play some D, but after that Bibby/Crawford aren’t good defensive players, and Fields is no defensive dynamo by any means. If this trade means TD gone, hell no. We need his D a lot more then we need Crawford’s O.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
I would just get Barea for CASH
make it happen, Dolan!
You got enough of my money.
I can't figure out Perry Fool...
Getting Barea makes sense because he is a natural 1 and a good passer at that, but I don't understand the crawford talk.
Do we need another scorer? We are frontloaded and have good supporting scorers starting: TD/Fields/Chandler should each bring ~10ppg+. Then the bench isn’t looking bad either, especially if Shump can score as touted off the bench, Bibby can do what he does, Walker chips in a litte, and Harrellson/Jordan contribute anything we should be decent. Lock down Extra E and we are set I’d say in almost everyway with exception to having a true PG.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Jeffries too, but let's hope he's only needed for spot duty on D.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Well
the Bulls are supposedly in on howard. Now that really does scare me. Rose and Howard together, and they can offer a mean package. That team always seems to have picks and young talent. Gibson, Noah, and a couple first rounders, and they could take back Turkoglu possibly. Howard, Boozer, Deng, Turk, and Rose is an insane starting 5. I dunno how theyd afford it, because Noah and Gibson are still cheap, and the Magic will want no part of the Deng or Boozer contracts… Maybe Deng would have to be involved to match up salaries, which may actually kill the deal. Thank the lord that the Bulls signed Boozer last year, it really messes up their future prospects.
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 11, 2011 12:05 PM EST reply actions
That is a good starting 5..
I do think if the Knicks pulled off a deal for Crawford and inserted him into their starting 5…the Knicks lineup would edge them out..Shumpert is not Rose, but don’t be surprised when he starts to tear it up…
Let's Go Knicks, NY Giants, NY Mets & NY Rangers.
by True Blue Phil on Dec 11, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
My thinking is...
The Knicks must really like what they see in Shumpert, who I think is going to be really good and are comfortable with Mike Bibby backing him (or vice versa). I always liked Jamal from his Chicago days and if the Knicks do get him I think he would be the starting SG with Fields backing him up…
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by True Blue Phil on Dec 11, 2011 12:06 PM EST reply actions
Jamal was excellent in those few games with Pringles before he got traded
and he was also very good when Eddy Curry was good that one year. Having a dude like Jamal, who can play 48minutes a game if need be, he’s basically the 2nd unit too.
I’d hate to give up Toney and would keep him if I could, but Jamal’s a much better player.
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 11, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
The Aftermath!
JJ B, Jamal, Bibby no Baron (My early plan, for the no Bibby movement) and T.D. That has the makings of something we can definitely work with! I can almost see a ring this year. The return of Jamal to me is a prayer answered but some dream that could never come true. If no acquisition can handle the point or shumpert i’m sure Jamal C can and would! Bring King Cross back to the apple!
i would give bibby benefit of the doubt.
heats offense last year focus only on the big 3 and some of mario chalmers
but we need is pnr pg and we have one.. he’s offense is still there also we have mike woodson who i think influence dantoni to take a look at bibby’s potential he is a savvy vet at hawks until woodson’s last season.
bibby, barea would fill the need that we need in our depth in backcourt, i think if this push through we are ready to go.!
go knicks!
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