Knicks training camp should be a bit livelier today. (Updated at 3:06 PM)
by Seth on Dec 11, 2011 12:02 PM EST
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PrintThe Knicks, like a number of other teams mired in trade and free agency negotiations, haven't been very well staffed for the first couple days of training camp. That should change today. All of the deals necessary to acquire Tyson Chandler are done, allowing the Knicks to move forward and sign the rest of the fellows waiting in the wings. There should be ten men at camp today, with Chandler plus the finally inked Iman Shumpert, Josh Harrellson, and Jared Jeffries able to suit up. (Shumpert, by the way, appears to have chosen number 21, as expected). So, they'll actually be able to run a decent scrimmage at practice today.
The Knicks, of course, aren't quite done. Mike Bibby has agreed to a one-year, veteran's minimum deal, but it doesn't seem like the contract has actually been signed yet. Jerome Jordan, meanwhile, probably touched down at JFK some time this morning. Again, those two have apparently agreed to sign, but haven't actually done so, at least as far as I can tell. (Update: Bibby is signed dimed and practicing.)
And the fact that pen hasn't hit paper yet (well, Mike Bibby actually signs contracts by Scotch-taping a dime to the document) suggests that the front office is otherwise occupied. Indeed, there are three remaining targets. One is J.J. Barea, who the Knicks are trying to convince to sign that $2.5 million mini mid-level exception. Another is Shawne Williams, who has been very patient throughout this process, and is probably waiting to see if the Knicks can offer him more than the veteran's minimum. The third, and most interesting, is Jamal Crawford. Crawford's market value is definitely more than the Knicks can muster, so he'd need to be acquired via sign-and-trade. Said sign-and-trade is being discussed, and would almost definitely have to include Toney Douglas.
The notion of trading a Douglas-anchored package to the Hawks for Crawford is a tough one, as became readily evident in last night's thread. My instinct was to assume that Crawford would be an upgrade over Douglas (and I do think D'Antoni would try to start him at point guard). He's a crafty passer when called upon, and already has a bunch of experience playing with Chandler (not to mention D'Antoni and Woodson).
But, I mean...look at their 2010-2011 seasons. Douglas, who we already know is a significantly better defender than Crawford, also registered comparable shooting marks, superior rebounding numbers, and a better assist/turnover ratio. He's also six years younger and-- one would assume-- millions of dollars cheaper. Unless I'm missing something, Toney Douglas is just better than Jamal Crawford. So, while I can see the motivation, (Crawford, subjectively speaking, strikes me as a better passer, despite the numbers. He throws mean lobs and can run a fast break properly. The same can't be said of Douglas yet.) I don't think I'd support losing Douglas in a Crawford deal. If that deal could be done without ditching Toney, that's a different story. Perhaps the inclusion of a third team (which has been mentioned) could obviate the need to include Toney, but I really don't know. I'm interested to hear more of y'all's thoughts on a potential trade for Crawford.
Today promises to be yet another busy one. The Knicks actually have a useful number of bodies at camp, but they're not quite done shuffling. I'll update with any more rumors and newses that emerge.
Update: Berman now says that the Knicks will not include Toney Douglas in any trade for Jamal Crawford.
Update: Howard Beck says the Knicks are trying to convince Crawford to take the $2.5 million, two-year "room" exception. Same thing they're likely trying to do with Barea. If one of them agrees to sign for that little, well, that'd just be splendid. Unlikely, though.
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I will be extremely upset if we lose Toney
by Renegade11 on Dec 11, 2011 12:10 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
same
But Jamaaalllll Crawforddddddd
Nowadays everybody wanna talk, like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherfu****s act like they forgot about Dre
by King Henry the 2nd on Dec 11, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
this
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Dec 11, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Hi, I'm Patrick Smith,
and I endorse Doing What Toney Douglas Do.
-Paid for by the DWTDD Foundation
+1
i was looking around to see if anyone posted that before i did.
by SLAUGHTERHOUSE on Dec 11, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
I'm mixed on the TD-JC trade.
I’d really really like to see the defensive prowess of a TD-Shumpert backcourt. I think it would be all kinds of harassing.
But I’d also like to see a Craw-Shumpert backcourt and the size advantages it could create on the offensive end (with Shumpert snuffing out opposing PGs defensively). It would be really tough to put a smaller guard on either of them, imo. And creating that natural mismatch at that spot only makes it that much tougher to deal with Melo and Amare.
I guess I’m excited about this team either way.
by Crackback on Dec 11, 2011 12:16 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I think you're missing something Seth
Jamal is a much better player then TD. Defensively I’d go with TD, tho I think Jamal isn’t as bad as made out to be especially from his time in ATL. He’s a lot taller and lest we forget how GREAT (yes…caps) Jamal can be at getting to the line and of course he’s a great FT shooter. Imagine we had another one of those types!
The stats are what they are, but I think we all know how stats can be skewed when you play for Pringles. I love TD and would be sad to see him go, but I think Jamal is just a flat out better player and fit.
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To answer my own question
Crawford (as I said in the post) is better at entry passes and leading a fast break, I think. I still don’t know if he’s enough of an upgrade to warrant a trade. Unless you’re really banking on the D’Antoni effect, I don’t think he’s a better shooter than Douglas.
I'd love to find a way to do this without trading TD of course.
unfortunately that would mean Landry is in there..so I don’t think so.
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 11, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't trade Landry either but I don't want them to trade Shumpert too
So who are the Knicks going to trade those two guys they got rights too from the Mav’s
D.T.O.T.D stands for Don't Trade Our Toney Douglas
Craw's a much, much better ballhandler too
He can get anywhere on the court without getting flustered and at 6’6" can see the floor a lot better than Douglas.
We’ve all seen him toss excellent lobs, and if you look deeper at his numbers, when he was on the Bulls his AST% hit the high 20s for a couple of seasons while averaging 5-6 assists per 36. That’s basically Chauncey Billups/Toney Parker level passing acumen. I think if he came here with being a distributor as his focus he could reach those levels again especially with a frontcourt like ours to dish to.
Also, though I’d hope he’d reign in his chucking, it’s not like it’s a bad thing to have 3 guys on your squad liable to get hot and drop 40 on any given night.
I’m not saying it’s a no brainer, but I do think Toney Douglas is overvalued round these parts for sentimental reasons and it’s an option worth considering if Jamal can be had at a price that doesn’t make him untradeable if the experiment doesn’t work out.
Jamal is also actually deadly in the fast break
I don’t know if there are stats to back it up, but he’s got insane handles as we’ve all seen, he can finish with contact, and if he makes the pass, it’s usually the right decision
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I loooooved Jamal on the break.
I wish I could just sleep til Christmas.
Fish Fingers give me a break.
to be fair
i think we also overvalue Craw for the same reasons
by JVGsDietCoke on Dec 11, 2011 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
Jamal can swish and dish
I think he’d be 10x better at being an actual PG then TD as well. Driving and kicking out, edge to Jamal too. On fastbreaks Jamal can actually score and isn’t scared when he gets to the basket.
Really the only thing is defense. And of course how much I’d miss TD being here, but after the past year that shit doesn’t matter does it.
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 11, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
agreed
And if Jamaal is running the point, is there a PG out there that can D him up? And if he requires help, how the hell do u deal with Stat and Melo? I like the problems he creates for opposing defenses.
And I love having all that length out there.
by Crackback on Dec 11, 2011 12:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
about the only thing jamal does well is shoot free throws i think douglas is better in all aspects of the game and he is younger and cheaper than crawford
There's a lot more that Jamal does then shoot FTs.
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 11, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
i agree
people seem to make Jamal look worst on defensive than he is and keep remembering him in NY as a chucker, but that was under ZEKE who had no coaching skills. When MDA took over, Knicks were doing good before the trade and Jamal did good in Atlanta. If you think about it, both Jamal and Zack Randolph looked bad but they played great elsewhere. It was just bad coaching back then. This would be a different story since we have a real coach, and great players. I all for bringing Jamal and I think it can be done without having to give up TD. Lakers just traded Odom to Dallas for ’draft considerations" whatever that will be. I think we can add JC without giving up TD.
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So Bibby must be signed I assume
we should have waited for baron davis
by bins12 on Dec 11, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Signing those guys doesn't change our chances of getting Davis
Plus who knows what Cleveland will do and when?
that could be two years.
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 11, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
same
r we really thinking about trading td for the overated jc guys he holds to the ball too long and he would actuslly be a down grade
Toney > Crawford?
Crawford is much more versatile offensively. He can create his own shot, is not afraid to take big shots, can attack the rim and create for others when doing so. His defense is suspect and his shot selection at times maddening true.
Douglas has (serious) problems running an offense, can’t create for himself, and for some reason is unable to play even reasonable defense vs quick guards (see Rondo in playoffs).
Statistically they are a closer match than their performance would suggest.
Crawford was overpaid while he was in NY, 5 million per year seems like fair value yet still less than he could probably get elsewhere
Why do the Knicks need a guy who can create his own shot on a team like this?
Factor in Crawford’s age and defensive problems and he just doesn’t fit for this team.
you can never have too many guys to create their own shots
when you have 3, that gives your team depth and the ability to sit someone like Melo or Amare for long periods of time, if need be, to keep them fresh.
Jamal is also excellent at handling the rock, and an excellent passer. Dude’s also smart too and the older he gets he’s gonna get smarter. I think we all have this perception of him that he’s a ball hog from those shitty Knicks squads…he’s not gonna have that here.
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 11, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
or even more day to day, just simple foul trouble
we don’t have many scorers on this team. People like to spew garbage about how Amar’e and Carmelo are enough, when they’re not. You need scorers and two are never enough no matter how good they are.
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Ball is going to go through Melo (which will be interesting to see)
The ball is not going to be whipped around in traditional 7SOL style. Having someone who can get a shot off after getting the ball at the top of the key with 5 sec’s left and chaos on the floor should have value
yeah.
i am really interested in seeing what Mike D does this year.
I think he is realizes this is it for him in NY if he doesnt get to the 2nd round, so he has to be more open to change and adapting to what he has. And he has to realize he has what could be an amazing team… but not one designed for his traditional system.
I think he was planning all along to have teh O run though Melo.
I have heard many times players say he is an offensive genius, so this is his time to prove it.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
i agree with you dude he just does not fit we need pass first guys and bibby and crawford does not match though we already signed bibby.im gonna look at the free agent pgs to find a better match….
Not necessarily true
We need 3pt shooters to spread the floor as well as passing ability…Me personally, I think TD is the better shooter at this point of his career IF healthy, whereas Craw is definately better on some some of the points Rorschac44 has already said above. I myself just see TD having upside where JC is not gonna get any better. TD is def the better defender, and should be better this year healthy
crawford could be that though
he has shown to be an incredable passer when he was here. the problem was he was also our best shooter.
he seems to have grown in his time away, and he had a great rapport with Mike D. Maybe he is willing to come in here and be more of a passer?
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
Toney and Jamal's scoring numbers from close-range are very similar.
http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Jamal%20Crawford
http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Toney%20Douglas
I know what you’re saying. I just think you are (and I was) overrating Crawford and underrating Toney.
It's not that simple.
I’m just saying that, for all of Crawford’s perceived majesty, he’s actually statistically similar to Douglas and, yes, a worse defensive player. And one of them’s already on the Knicks.
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Dec 11, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
I don't like the idea of trading Douglas
Because we’re all attached to him, and he is a much better defender.
Obviously more scoring at this point is a luxury, but who would rely on to score when Amare or Melo aren’t in the game? TD has shown flashes of that type of scoring prowess, but is he there yet? Jamal would be a huge luxury because he can drop 20-30 points any given night. His shooting has gotten better and in a creative offensive system like D’Antoni’s, he wouldn’t have to create quite as much
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take that with a grain of salt
i remember ppl making the same pt about stat and lee, remember teams actually game plan against crawford, not so much for TD
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Aside from the actual trade itself
How awesome it is that Grunwald has managed to make moves like these so quickly?
he still needs to do one more thing
build a monument to Donnie Walsh, who saved us from salary cap oblivion and made this all possible
by latrell chokewell on Dec 11, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
agree. he also was great at talking to the media/fans during very tough times
he was pretty straight up at all times
Yeah without him we'd still be in salary cap hell
D.T.O.T.D stands for Don't Trade Our Toney Douglas
I love Donnie too but....
Picking up Billups option cost Knicks $5M MLE, hence the need for this TD trade.
So far so good
With Grunwald. He seems aggressive, and looks like we haven’t missed a beat yet with Walsh gone.
Let's Go Knicks, NY Giants, NY Mets & NY Rangers.
by True Blue Phil on Dec 11, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Grunwald has been impressive so far
but to give props where it is due, Chandler’s agent appears to have suggested the signing and the trade mechanics of how to get there
Grunwald said it in the presser and NYTimes has the same comment in it's story about the trade
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i'm totally, 100% on the fence about the TD - Crawford swap
i’m such a huge fan of both guys, and both of them have their own pros and cons. i can’t take a side here. hell, i want them both, but that’s probably impossible.
and there are so many questions that are impossible to answer. how good is toney gonna be? is he a better fit for this team? if you get jamal, does that make us championship contenders? or are we there already, with TD? my head is spinning. i guess that’s why grunwald gets paid the big bucks.
by latrell chokewell on Dec 11, 2011 12:28 PM EST reply actions
I'm on the fence about Crawford
So I’d like one question answered. How good a passer is he? Is he good in the PnR? We all know he’s a good scorer and a bad defender, but his ability to lead an offense is what should be the deciding factor imo.
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Well I don't think we can sign Barea if we get Crawford
but Barea is definitely better at the PnR
D.T.O.T.D stands for Don't Trade Our Toney Douglas
Technically we still I think
Cause Crawford would be a S&T and Barea would be via the mini-mid level.
Oh okay I guess that works then
D.T.O.T.D stands for Don't Trade Our Toney Douglas
Starting to think Barea & TD is the better play
Than just Crawford
he looked good before we traded him away
and Pringles loves him
he can dish and move…
and when he’s not to tired from doing all that, he can play some D
I can't figure out Perry Fool...
Jamal's a very good passer, very good in the PnR and his ability to lead an offense is at least there
we need to compare those traits to TD if its basically a swap of them.
TD’s not as good of a passer, not as good in the PnR unless its with Turiaf (and he’s gone…) and Jamal can’t be worse then TD when leading an offense.
Also when you factor in Jamal getting all those open shots that TD used to get, I think he’s gonna shoot a lot better then TD ever would
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 11, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
I want to agree but just can't - TD shot slightly better with a bad shoulder
With TD it comes down to a question of decision making- can he improve his decision making and reign in his bad tendencies (overdribbling, indecision, quick shots early in the clock with nobody under the basket, desperation midair passes that lead to other team fastbreaks)
I can't really take seriously the shooting % for the Knicks guys vs. other teams
it all counts but you really can’t compare it.
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Especially the Hawks' stagnant, isolation-heavy offense
It improved somewhat last year, but the looks Crawford would get here would be so much better. He’s actually deadly as a knock-down shooter. Much better than when he dribbles, dribbles, and pulls up
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Different offenses
Different personnels. I mean, you can, but it’s not always the most accurate thing to do
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I don't think shooting percentage varies very much by offense or personnel
I’d be open to seeing studies saying otherwise, but I’m not aware of any general trend of players’ shooting percentages changing dramatically when they join new teams (with the exception of big guys, who aren’t really shooters and whose shot attempts are much more reliant on the players getting them the ball).
I know I'm not the only one to notice how guy's FG% skyrockets under pringles
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Is this true? I don't see it
I’m looking at a number of guys – Melo (tiny sample size though), Joe Johnson, Marion, Nash, and I’m not seeing any kind of a spike in their D’Antoni years.
really?
I’d double check then if I were you
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Like I said, I'm open to being shown differently
but I really do not see any FG% skyrocketing. Where do you see it?
compare Suns vs. non suns years
Joe Johnson, Q-Rich, etc. Its there.
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I hate to call you on this, but since you keep pushing it: you're wrong
Johnson FG% under D’Antoni: 44.5%
Johnson career FG%: 44.3%
Q-Rich FG% under D’Antoni: 38.9%
Q-Rich career FG%: 39.8%
Sure
JJ under Pringles: 40.5%
JJ career: 36.6%
(That is much higher under Pringles. Although, JJ had two years under D’Antoni, and in those two years shot 30.5% and 47.8% from 3. I don’t know what to make of that – both seem anomalous to me.)
Q-Rich under Pringles: 35.8%
Q-Rich career: 35.5%
(So, nothing there.)
nah
their 3pt% and attempts were waaaay higher. Sorry.
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You said "guy's FG% skyrockets under pringles"
Your examples were Joe Johnson and Q-Rich. I just showed that there was nothing resembling a skyrocketing of their FG% under D’Antoni. Let it go, dude.
you should check out the arguments he gets in on the giants site lmao…..
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
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and there she is!
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 11, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
They are generally more efficient under D'Antoni
Efg% and ts% would probably demonstrate this better because they take into account threes and drawing fouls
Anxiously awaiting the day my username will be appropriate
Again, not really seeing it
in a rush so these are just rough calculations:
JJ’s TS% under Pringles: 52.3
career TS%: 52.7
QR under Pringles: 51.6
career: 50.3
(bit better under Pringles, but hardly a big boost, and he’s had 3 seasons with a higher TS% than in either of his Pringles seasons)
Pshht, obviously facts only count when they agree with Rorschach…
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
It would be helpful if you could post some statistics, considering you are arguing a point in a matter of fact way without any facts.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
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nah
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 11, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i disagree!
Most Definitely
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfGTVp-gHtU
by Ray Smuckles on Dec 11, 2011 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
Well.....
Joe Johnson – Best shooting year was with Hawks (47%) by 1 percent. However, his best year from 3 was his last year with the Suns (48%) by a whopping 10 percent. Gotta at least attribute that to Pringles.
Marion – Best shooting year was with PHX year before he got traded (53%) but he shot 52% in Dallas last year. Best year from 3 was 01-02 and 02-03 PHX (39%) and his next closest was 43% the year after. Since he left PHX his 3 point numbers have fell off a cliff. Again, maybe Pringles.
Nash – Shot 53% for Pringles, best by 3 percent. From 3, shot 47% the last yr Pringles was there, and has declined in the 3 years since.
So Im not saying its any kind of fact, but JJ and Marion had career years from 3 for Pringles. And Nash had his best shooting years with him as well.
The Triple Felt Goose movement shall live as long as I am around.
after a while its not a coincidence.
Pringles shooting school exists. To deny it after watching him here for 3 years already is pretty hilarious, for those that are denying it at least.
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he is all about taking open shots
so it makes sense.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
I think I just ike toney douglas more.
And trhats it. This why I couldn’t play GM. Toney is a hard worker, smaller but doesn’t play small, seems to have a big heart. And late last year showed balls in taking big shots.
He does have issues running the point. But if his psitives are playing stick man’d defense, then he is tradeable. Bc shump, although a rook, is a known good defender. And if we get crawford, shump will guard the point and probably play the 2 on offense(mostly) while crawford runs the point and plays the 2 on defense.
But what would starting lineup be. Bc landry is expected to keep his role.
I’m assuming this training camp will be a , whoever plays the best, starts, type of deal.
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by semsemma on Dec 11, 2011 12:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I like to keep TD
’cause when we do wine a championship, we should have more than two ORIGINAL Knicks on the roster
i prefer DWTDD
i’d like to go after a cheaper option at PG and start DWTDD at SG.
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Dec 11, 2011 12:32 PM EST reply actions
true. but the quetion that has to be asked is
is he that much better for that much more money?
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Dec 11, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
their both isuues
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Desean Jackson IS a punk....................UNLEASH Eli
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Dec 11, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Ignoring the potential loss of Toney Douglas for a second
A Crawford-Chandler P&R with Amare and Melo on the wings would be pretty baller.
Conceivably the Knicks would be able to run some wacky Memphis dribble-drive offense type shit.
TD > Crawford.
Do you know what I would do when Crawford chucks up a ridiculous shot and misses? Or he takes shots away from Melo?
Oh man.
Realist.
oh now I definitely want Crawford here.
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 11, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
So Toney Douglas
Won’t miss any shots next season?
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And Toney Douglas is a streaky shooter
We can go all day with the cliches.
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yes. and when he isnt on a streak
he passes to stat or melo.
but that whole thing is why he should be a SG not a PG
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Desean Jackson IS a punk....................UNLEASH Eli
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Dec 11, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
That's true
And making this argument is a lot different than saying “Crawford is a chucker that’ll take away shots from Stat and Melo”. He’d be an asset to the team, we’d be able to rest Melo and Amar’e without worrying about our offense becoming stagnant.
I’m all for hearing counter-arguments, and I might still change my mind, but saying he’s a chucker and leaving it at that is just not a good reason to not want somebody here.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.
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yea that shit pissed me off when felton did it
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman and buck. they suck
Desean Jackson IS a punk....................UNLEASH Eli
Jason Peire Paul (JPP) 2011-2012 NFL Defensive player of the year
"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd
"If you come to a fork in the road, take it" -Yogi Berra
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Dec 11, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
I'd probably like Crawford more
If it’s just a straight swap. Haven’t really though about Landry+TD for Crawford, but I hope it doesn’t come to that if we do make the trade. The only thing that bugs me out is the lack of continuity on this team. I knew we were supposed to be rebuilding and that creating a championship roster would mean a lot of change, but it’s so hard to find a team identity on this roster. That’ll probably change after this season, especially with most of our cap space going to our “Core 3” for the next couple of seasons, but it’d still suck.
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Odds of Barrea taking the mini-mid level?
He must be getting better offers than that.
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How much more do you need to be paid
to prefer to play on Memphis, Philly…? (winning)
He could see more burn here than for other winning teams (starting?)
Alan Hahn tweeted that it's probably unlikely
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How about a starting back court of
Shumpty and Crawford
Chandler/Melo/STAT.
Defensively that might be the best 5 and good enough to keep Bibby in a back up role.
vs zero last year
STAT and Melo are fixtures so its really 2 out of 3 when you think about it
and one's the center
many times that’s all you need.
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Yeah, but there is no frontcourt help left really
I think Kwame is still available, but wants more than the vet min.
This is what Miami had to deal with last year
Next year NY will have the full MLE and will be able to back fill. For now the best you can pitch is vet minimums and the 2.5mm exception
Not much they can do
Other than hope Shawne signs the deal we’ve offered.
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So
@NYPost_Berman Told #Knicks and Hawks working on 3-team deal for Jamal Crawford with Douglas involved in one scenario
Alex Kennedy reports it would be Douglas, Balkman, and Walker for Crawford
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.
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I think one thing here that may be telling here is that we all almost always forget about Bully in these convos
What does that say about Bully?Do we like him, trust him, want him, happy to see him go?
No idea
But if I had to guess, I’d say it would involve Fields.
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My guess
I have no insight into the situation, just going by what I think will happen. I sure as hell hope he doesn’t leave, wasn’t any backcourt with Fields the most successful last season?
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Yeah baby!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4dtzMkfI1k&feature=related
"It was one of those good, deep sleeps; you know, the ones where you wake up and a stream of drool is steadily racing down your shirt? Yes, that kind of sleep." -Landry Fields
by Thelonious Dunk on Dec 11, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Chauncey Billup's continuing his Amnesty Bitterness Tour..
“Toney (Douglas) is a good player, but he’s young. I don’t want to say they don’t have a point guard, but their best playmaker right now is Melo."
Ah fuck it. Ill do do Jamal for Toney.
chanucy is fucking with his rep now
it comes across as bitter, and is sad.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
fine. he can speak his mind all he wants
and its his right.
but there are high roads to take and low roads. comments like that (i havnt read the whole article, cant right now… will later) come across as taking the low road.
He can speak his mind all he wants, but he better be ready for the consequences of burned bridges. Its his legacy. he can be remembered how ever he wants.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
it just really seems
he puts himself above the game.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
well..its the truth..isnt it?
Toney (Douglas) is a good player, but he’s young. I don’t want to say they don’t have a point guard, but their best playmaker right now is Melo
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Looks like Billup is a very emotional guy
I remember similar thoughts from him when Denver was talking with NY during Melo Drama.
people said the same thing about rondo
not saying TD will turn into that…. but dude is a smart, good athlete that plays hard awesome defense.
I dont think anyone can say what DWTDD can do yet. He has shown really good stretches in the past.
and for a veteran to come out and say that abut a young player he was just a teammate with… is just a dick move iMO. Shows no class.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
Yeah that was the first real mis-step I've seen by him so far during his Sheen-like meltdown.
Fish Fingers give me a break.
Oh, it's a dick move to say so in public but he's not wrong
Toney Douglas is a good young player who is not really a starting-caliber PG. I think the Rondo comparison is way off base, I think we’ve all seen enough of TD to know he does not have otherworldly court vision, to put it mildly. The Knicks don’t really have a tradition PG on the roster right now (Bibby doesn’t count).
That being said, this Chauncey Billups uncensored shit is getting old. If $14 million is not enough to wash the sand out of his vagina then I don’t really know what’s left to say.
im not so much comparing him to rondo
as i am saying that young players put in important situations can rise up and surprise you.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
as good of a player billups has been
he can’t be THAT great, or he wouldn’t have been traded 11million times
@therealzlander
well then fuck chauncey. be a proffesional. not a little bitch
Know when ur run is over and let it be at it end
no respect for him anymore
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Desean Jackson IS a punk....................UNLEASH Eli
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Dec 11, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Hahn...
For those holding out hope on JJ Barea-to-#Knicks, it’s not likely he’ll take room exception (2x$2.5m). So may be time to move on
Hey if someone is going to overpay Barea with 4 years 20 mil
I’d rather it not be the Knicks
I fully embrace their bad decisions...
but would still like the guy for 2×2.5...and maybe if we got him it’d distract the knicks from the crawford deal.
by The Champs Are Here on Dec 11, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Why are we going so crazy for Barea? He's not a true point in my eyes. We're basically trying to get both Jamal Crawford and a mini-Jamal at the same time.
I’d rather get the bigger Jamal Crawford.
Fish Fingers give me a break.
I think I just have a blind spot
about Crawford’s ability to run the point. I always think of him as a pure 2 guard, but from some of the comments on this thread I gather he’s a really good playmaker…so I’m cool with some Jamal.
Jamal COULD throw awesome oops and his entry passes to the post were actually really good, but I don't know if his court vision is really that great.
I think he’d be aiight at PG, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen him play a traditional PnR. Again, a lot of this was because the Knicks were so pants-shittingly shitty while he was here that he might have done a lot of things differently than he’d have in an optimal situation, but if we’re going to keep adding players, I’d rather add Jamal Crawford than his 9 inch shorter mini-me.
Fish Fingers give me a break.
I don't think he's ever played a role
Where he can focus on running an offense, and not having to be the best scorer. He ran the offense here under Isiah, however he was also the best scorer, so his shooting %’s were often pretty shitty.
He’d still be streaky here, but Amar’e and Melo will demand their touches. I honestly think he could average around 6 apg here, and be an effective scorer without taking much more than 10 shots a game
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I've seen him run some crisp PnR for what it's worth
It’s never been his role to do so, really, but can do it for sure. Unlike some people who can’t do it even though it is their job.
Barea is not a true point, but he can run a team better than Crawford
And he is great in the PnR, imagine him and Amare in the pick and pop.
Can he really run a team? I don't really recall being impressed with his "Floor General'ness".
And the pick and pop he ran with Dirk doesn’t necessarily translate to the pick and roll with Amare. Unless we’re trying to turn Amare into someone who takes the elbow jumper 90% more often than he needs to as opposed to the 50% it already is.
Fish Fingers give me a break.
Do we need a true point?
For the second unit, it’d be fun to throw a bunch of ballhandlers out there and just have ‘em fuckin’ run around a bit
Damn
Barea would excel in this system. Great in the PNR, great shooter, decent defender and he can get to the basket.
Nowadays everybody wanna talk, like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherfu****s act like they forgot about Dre
by King Henry the 2nd on Dec 11, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
Well, he is only an average shooter
But yeah, he would work well on this team.
He always seemed
Like a Nate Robinson-esque player from what I saw. Energy guy off the bench, has potential to score a bunch of points in a short time. Barrea runs a really good PnR though.
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I have half a grilled cheese
2.5mil + half a grilled cheese= irresistable
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 11, 2011 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
Matt Moore points out that Crawford defended really well in the playoffs last season
http://twitter.com/#!/HPbasketball/statuses/145936721337524225
I'm still hesitant
Knicks fans: Crawford allowed a 36.5% FG% defensively in last year’s playoffs, good for 71st percentile.
I know, but that seems like an outlier
And the proposed trade is still giving up youth, depth, and defense.
Yeah I was reading that earlier
But how did he do with Woodson as coach?
Nowadays everybody wanna talk, like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherfu****s act like they forgot about Dre
by King Henry the 2nd on Dec 11, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Had the best scoring season (% wise) of his life
And the Hawks still managed to be an above average team. Of course, the rest of their team were better defenders than Stat and Melo
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Craw is decent as a defender
Not great, I wouldn’t even exactly say good but he tries and is effective enough where I’m confident in saying he’s decent.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 11, 2011 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
Here is something
@NYPost_Berman
#Knicks won’t include Douglas in deal for Crawford: source nyp.st/vjbuCf via @newyorkpost
Article seems to suggest that they won't do the deal at all
But yeah, hopefully that doesn’t mean that they’ll just trade Fields or Shump
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Yes also this.
I don’t like this wheel of trades anymore lol…
by The Champs Are Here on Dec 11, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
One person familiar with the Knicks thinking said Douglas is the club’s starting point guard and they don’t want to give him up in this scenario for Crawford. It is possible the Knicks are also being used to drive Crawford’s market value up elsewhere.
@therealzlander
I think Grant took us for a ride 3x now
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 11, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
if you count this off season
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 11, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
Better open those checkbooks or Jamal will take below market value somewhere else!
It’s, um, an interesting tactic I guess
man, billips is like a scorned ex-girlfriend
she says your packing a small package after the breakup, but she was choking on it during the relationship
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awesome analogy
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
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Chauncey's off on one lately
why anyone would worry what this wack ball’s saying nowadays is a bit of a head scratcher…
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
well...I dunno about you, but I've been reading what he's saying
I dunno that you can’t call him a wack job right now.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
he sounds emotional
but he aint sayin nothin that aint true
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 11, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
Saying anything at all seems like a practice in douchery, if you ask me
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the guy just trying to get what he wants
i don’t know if i would do the same thing, but i certainly might. i’m sure if i was gonna be jettisoned, i’d rather they didn’t pick up my option. that way i wouldn’t feel toyed with. and i’d still have the option to sign with the team.
imagine the knicks didn’t pick up the option. then signed chandler, and then offered billups this mini-mid-level deal. he might not bite, but he wouldn’t feel slighted.
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Wouldn’t he also be like 14 mil poorer?
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
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yes
but the point is that its a more respectable business decision. tough pill to swallow for chauncey, but theres no back and forth. its just a straightforward and honest move that can be understood, and respected.
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by picking up that option
he made an extra 5-10 million freakin dollars.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
only trying to say, i understand his point of view
not saying i think he is being a real diplomat. quite the contrary
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I think everyone's really on the same page here
We understand his anger and he has reason to be, but his whole tirade against all things Knicks is ridiculous. To an extent, I’d be okay with it because it’d be posturing to avoid getting picked up on a waiver. But to this extent it’s unprofessional and disrespectful.
Get the fuck over it dude. Not only is he insulting multiple people and organizations, but players who he stood up for and is supposedly a great representative of.
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Jamal Crawford was one of my favorite Knicks, despite all his shortcomings. I would welcome him back to this team with open arms. Offensively he could fit in just fine in the guard rotation based on how we think this offense will work. His defense is ass, of course.
All that being said, I don’t want to acquire him for TD. He’s 30 and is likely looking at a swift decline. I want to see what TD can do. I understand Shumpert makes TD less necessary, but I think the Knicks would be wise to see how both players fit in and perform this season. Jamal is a better playmaker and can play a better traditional PG than TD can, but the fact is both are poor in that regard. Ergo, while Jamal may be a better playmaker, both players would likely be utilized fairly similarly in the offense. As such, this doesn’t make the sense that trading TD for a ‘pure’ PG would make. TD is young, he compares decently to Crawford as a scorer and still has some ceiling there, and is a vastly superior if imperfect defender. The upgrade Crawford represents as a playmaker would likely not yield much results when put into action.
If such a trade happens I’d consider having Crawford back to be a nice consolation prize, consider the affinity I have for him, but I would much prefer either finding another way to get him or passing on it. Adding Bibby AND Crawford while losing TD makes the backcourt defense extremely precarious. The team should be looking to see how TD and Shumpert perimeter defense can form a symbiosis with Chandler’s interior D before eliminating the possibility in search of yet more volume scoring.
Kurt Thomas just signed a 2-year deal with....the Blazers.
So now not only was all that “I want to go to a contender at this stage of my career” not as true as we’d hoped, but now his knees will explode due to the Oden Effect just like every other human being over 6’9" in the Greater Portland area.
Shoulda come back to MSG, man.
Now where is my “Shawne returns to MSG!” news?
Fish Fingers give me a break.
Ha! Did you guys see this?
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/12/10/2626425/washington-generals-dan-gilbert-a-job#storyjump
It had me rolling
Waiting for Christmas...
by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 11, 2011 2:10 PM EST reply actions
I've been thinking a lot about our frontline (and how awesome it is).
I think we have a current roster that can win a championship (although I’d feel a bit better if TD or Shump had some proven court vision).
The only dude in the league who scares me is Dwight Howard. I’ve been considering what is the best destination for him as far as the Knicks are concerned.
I think I’d prefer him to team up with an all-star guard (D-Will/CP3) then team up with some other frontcourt monsters (Gasol/Bynum/Dirk/Griffin).
Because unless Dwight teams up with some other big men, we’ll have the illest frontcourt in the NBA, and I’m confident in TD and Shump’s abilities to somewhat contain the damage of an opposing superstar point guard.
What do you guys think?
Waiting for Christmas...
by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 11, 2011 2:29 PM EST reply actions
Source says Golden State not involved in possible 3-tm, sign and trade talks with Atl for Jamal Crawford. NY interest real though.
Nowadays everybody wanna talk, like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherfu****s act like they forgot about Dre
by King Henry the 2nd on Dec 11, 2011 2:32 PM EST reply actions
Sam Amick
Nowadays everybody wanna talk, like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherfu****s act like they forgot about Dre
by King Henry the 2nd on Dec 11, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Hahn tweeted that Toney Douglas is running point for the starting squad during scrimmages.
Bibby’s running point for the B-team.
Sorry if someone already posted this.
Waiting for Christmas...
by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 11, 2011 2:48 PM EST reply actions
Haven't seen it yet
Sweet. Who’s playing SG for the starting squad, Landry? Is Iman getting some reps?
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I love it.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
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But who’s who?
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
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Griffen = Carmelo (obviously)`
Cleveland = TyChan-beard
Landry = Quagmire
Amare is Joe
and TD is Brian
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
BRING IT ONNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
lmaooo
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
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Cool by me.
First Unit:
TD Landry Melo Amar’e Tyson
Second Unit:
Bibby Iman Poop (please sign) Harrelson Jeffries
Extra:
Walker Balkman Jordan
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
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That second unit needs work
Regardless of whether or not we get Barea or Crawford, and hopefully Poope does sign with us, we still need to fill out 2-4 roster spots. Hopefully management can pull some kind of talent out there to our team because that’s a pretty weak bench
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It’s not the greatest, but its better than it would have been if we traded for Paul.
We know MDA only plays like 9 guys max, so Bibby Iman Poop and Jeffries aren’t the worst bunch.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Very true
If the Knicks either get off to a bad start, or go on a hot streak, D’Antoni will probably cut it down to 7 guys getting playing time, with an 8th getting varying minutes.
Then again, with the shortened schedule and chaotic pace, that may be different
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The Aftermath
JJ B, Jamal, Bibby no Baron (My early plan, for the no Bibby movement) and T.D. That has the makings of something we can definitely work with! I can almost see a ring this year. The return of Jamal to me is a prayer answered but some dream that could never come true. If no acquisition can handle the point or shumpert i’m sure Jamal C can and would! Bring King Cross back to the apple! I need to add to Bring Shawne back he earned it even at the cost of Bill Walker. When we post and play Gm do we work with a 12 man roster or 15. Even with that in mind does Mike no D play more than 8 if force 10. I hope Woodson is allowed to do what we brought him here to do. Is Shumpert a shutdown defensive stopper and slasher, i think so but the real question can he shoot and create. We can live with not being a great shooter but he needs to have a head for the PG role. That is the real question?
someone's stuck on the repeater today
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In other news... Kobe is PISSED at the Lakers.
http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2011/12/11/bryant-rips-lakers-for-trading-odom/
The Lakers are in disarray right now, and I find it hilarious.
Wow
Wonder what their season’s going to look like. There has to be something more to that trade, the Lakers must be planning something.
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Turns out there was no need to go into panic mode
Proposed sign-trade involving Crawford being swapped for Douglas is a non-starter, I’m told. Knicks aren’t giving up TD.
Howard Beck
From Howard Beck
Knicks want to sign Crawford to “room” exception, $2.5 mil. Most they can offer. Crawford obviously seeking more. Makes a deal tough.
So wait, not to get too greedy and overshoot here, but it would not be possible to get Barea, Crawford and Extra E, right? It looks like we’re offering the vet min. to Shawne, and then can give the room exception to EITHER Barea or Crawford?
I don't wanna be a Debbie Downer
But I feel like Isaiah is making these moves, an iffy long term contract to a center (I actually like Chandler but it is no doubt an iffy signing), and now Jamal Crawford. I’m probably just paranoid
only thing more overated and soft than osi umenyora is the 2011 eagles
by metseaglesknicks on Dec 11, 2011 3:08 PM EST reply actions
Elite defensive centers are so rare and in such high demand that they will always be overpaid
DeAndre Jordan’s gonna get like a $10 million/year contract.
yeah I feel better about spending astronomical amounts of money on Chandler
after seeing that the Nets are offering Nene 4 years for 64 MOTHER FUCKING MILLION DOLLARS and 10 mil a year for relatively unproven Deandre Jordan.
Isiah never signs a player like Chandler
he would’ve tried to break the bank on DeAndre Jordan. Also he’d figure out a way to sign Crawford to a max deal.
If there was anything IT could’ve been questioned to do, it was the Carmelo deal. These deals this season make sense.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I know I know
I guess I’m just paranoid
only thing more overated and soft than osi umenyora is the 2011 eagles
by metseaglesknicks on Dec 11, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
Amare was an iffy signing too
From a health standpoint at least. Whatevs. No team wins the title without a little luck
I think I read Mal rejected the 2.5 already and would rather the $5mill from the S&T
which is why all these trade shenanigans are even being brought up.
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Howard Beck reminds me
that Shumpert, who just signed, can’t actually be traded for 30 days (I think this also applies to sign-and-trade situations, though I’m not certain). So that’s good.
so at least we don't have to worry about that for 30 days
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
30 days from now
He’ll be 16 days into his MVP campaign
by Seth on Dec 11, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Or his MVBP
Most valuable benched player.
Since you know, he can’t chuck up 3s and that’s an MDA req.
Psh...why're you such a Knicks hater Seth?
He’ll be 16 days into his HoF career.
by GiantNomad on Dec 11, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
As a Duke fan I remember Shump being a beast
He did work on Nolan Smith who was a NPOY candidate, he’s gonna be awesome. Me no want to trade Shump, Shump good.
only thing more overated and soft than osi umenyora is the 2011 eagles
by metseaglesknicks on Dec 11, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
The Rockets got Gasol, Marc that is
I remember us having interest in him reportedly which is why Chandler caught me so off guard.
only thing more overated and soft than osi umenyora is the 2011 eagles
by metseaglesknicks on Dec 11, 2011 3:20 PM EST reply actions
I remember reading back in like December that Walsh wanted Gasol
only thing more overated and soft than osi umenyora is the 2011 eagles
by metseaglesknicks on Dec 11, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
It looks like you're saying Marc Gasol has joined the Houston Rockets.
Is that what you’re saying?
Waiting for Christmas...
by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 11, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
I can't find this. You gotta link?
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by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 11, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
He said they're close to signing him
https://twitter.com/#!/WojYahooNBA
only thing more overated and soft than osi umenyora is the 2011 eagles
by metseaglesknicks on Dec 11, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry I'm so jumpy.
My second team is the Grizzlies because I’m a displaced New Yorker. I moved to Memphis last year.
If the Grizz lost Marc, the community here is going to be real depressed. They really got behind the team during the playoff run last season. It was kinda like New York and the 99 Knicks.
Waiting for Christmas...
by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 11, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Oh really? I am a displaced New Yorker as well
I’m in Raleigh, NC. And isn’t he an RFA? I doubt they wouldn’t match, I didn’t realize that when he sad they where close.
only thing more overated and soft than osi umenyora is the 2011 eagles
by metseaglesknicks on Dec 11, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
I'm glad the Pacers are getting better around the same time as us.
I’m looking forward to re-igniting that old rivalry. It was one of my favorites.
Waiting for Christmas...
by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 11, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Totally
Pacers might be real good this year. Plus, they’re still trying to swing a deal for OJ Mayo.
Can't believe all the chips are falling in place..
1)Knicks make great moves
2)lakers weaken by trading odom for nothing(stunning)
3)Celtics lose west to the pacers
4)Heat sign Eddie Curry
wouldnt trading odom hurt lakers chances of getting dwight by making them less attractive of a destination?
cause if pau and bynum is accepted by orlando then ur looking at artest 32, howard 26, Bryant 33, fisher 37, and…uh Derrick Caracter at PF.
The idea is that by trading the exception and Bynum,
They keep Gasol. I don’t know that they CAN do that, but it is their goal.
You have to admit, that Gasol and Howard would be a pretty scary PF/C combo
Yup
There is also the matter of Howard just being like eff’ this, I want the Lakers.
He said he likes the Nets, but you never know with these guys.
it actually gave them a big trade exception that would allow them to hypothetically take back one of Orlando's horrible contracts in the deal
The team has Kobe Bryant, is in LA and has a stellar repuation – it will always be an attractive destination
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by Znell on Dec 11, 2011 3:36 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
He'll likely be confused
He probably won’t understand what’s so funny about jean shorts
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Then again
A man as fashionable as Clyde might find it hilarious. And then he’ll hate Josh for being so unfashionable
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Would you guys prefer
The Knicks spending the 2.5m exception on Extra E or a PG?
Objectively? PG
As an illogical fan (the side I’m dominated by)? Shawne
Waiting for Christmas...
by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 11, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Wat good PG's are out their?
None really so I’d give it to Poop.
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To be honest?
Shawne. And I’m not being illogical. We need guys who can hit spot up 3s to spread the floor for Amar’e, Melo and Tyson.
We lost some of that with Chauncey, so we need to keep Shawne.
We already have TD, Iman, Bibby, Fields, and Walker to man he guard positions. We literally have no one behind Melo at the 3 spot. Bringing back Shawne is crucial.
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Fields is a natural 3 so he could always fill in
And you forgot about Balkman! He’s a SF!
But yeah, Shawne can provide some scoring to the second unit
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Fields did play point forward at Stanford
Not sure if he’s up to that at the NBA level.
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Balkman :)
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by Moshe52792 on Dec 11, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Speaking of ole Renaldo
Has anyone watched this video?
I can’t tell if that’s an improved jumpshot or not, but it isn’t terribly impressive
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Yeah I saw that.
I couldn’t keep my eyes from the hair though.
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by Chairman Meow on Dec 11, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
with this new defensive atmosphere
renaldo will be getting some minutes i hope… BALKMINUTES!
On a lesser note, combining balkman and melo would create the ultimate small forward.
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by Ray Smuckles on Dec 11, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
Extra E for sure. He played a valuable role for us, knows the offense, plays good D, is young and wants to be here. Deserves more than min offer.
by knicker4life on Dec 11, 2011 4:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Shut the SHUMP up!!!
Shump Shump Yall !!
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by VicTor W on Dec 11, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Plus he has a cool name
That’s really all we need to get excited.
GIORGOS! BIG GREEK FISH
Waiting for Christmas...
by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 11, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Hello, we're Knicks fans
Maybe you haven’t met us before.
Listen, this is what they call a honeymoon period.
The way it’s been lately, we get one mid-first round pick every other year or so. Let us get excited about that.
An athletic 2 guard that has size, can play D, board, and score some is really nice to have.
He could definitely be our future starting 2G, maybe even a 1G if he finds/makes a passing game.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
those that are putting him in the starting lineup are at least
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
i dont know
depends what they need out of that spot. if bibby winds up starting for some reason midseason, i wouldnt mind iman out there. but definitely not early going.
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by Ray Smuckles on Dec 11, 2011 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
Agree the Shump to start crew are loco at this point
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by Ozraider on Dec 11, 2011 9:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree
I’m optimistic but he could potentially be trash and you have people here dreaming about how he’s going to shut down Dwyane wade
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yup..
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Nobody shuts down DWade
So if he just slows him down a little that would be enough for me.
The Landryman can
you are undervaluing him
he’s the greatest player alive. ROY and MVP guaranteed
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by Ray Smuckles on Dec 11, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
honestly that entire Suns team
Nash
Joe Johnson
Shawn Marion in his prime
Amare before knee surgeries
Boris Diaw before getting fat as hell
Steve NASH.
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My bad on not clarifying
I didn’t mean run as in run the point. I mean for every position.
Steve Nash is definitely right. Probably Ray Allen at SG.
Well if that's the case, then you're going to need shooters who are ALSO strong defenders.
Because D’Antoni has never really inspired a team to play consistently suffocating defense, so he’d need to rely players who are inherently motivated to play defense.
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by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 11, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
Not just shooters though,
Iso-guys are bad for his system. Catch and shoot type guys. One young guy who I think would have been awesome is Steph Curry.
Right, spot up guys who are great defenders.
I haven’t watched enough Steph Curry games to say what kind of defender he is.
But spot of guys who could defend well… off the top of my head…
Shane Battier, Bruce Bowen, Rasheed Wallace, Kurt Thomas, Jared Dudley… let me look at some rosters and I’ll get back to you.
Waiting for Christmas...
by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 11, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Bah, I'm too lazy.
Spanoulis and Marko Jaric as starting center.
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by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 11, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
John Starks?
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by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 11, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
wilson chandler (once his shot got a little more consistent) and gallo were great fits
rangy guys who could score, play d, and run run all over the place
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by Ray Smuckles on Dec 11, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
i’d love to get ill will to sign here when he gets back from China.
TD Fields Melo Amare Tyson
Bibby Shump Wil Poop Jeffries
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same
i bet he’d be interested. He would be a great 6th man, and could spell both melo and amare if they were fatigued or in foul trouble. Ah Will the Thrill…
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by Ray Smuckles on Dec 11, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
Great points Seth on the TD vs Crawford thing.
Aside from scoring and passing slightly, TD is better at almost everything else, and more importantly defense. I wouldn’t trade TD for Crawford, but would certainly love the 2ndary scoring(or starting) punch from Crawford and his passing skills, just not at the expense of losing TD. And great place you got here, lots of interesting and intelligent conversation with great articles/fanposts.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
by OzzyFan on Dec 11, 2011 4:06 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I think it all depends on how you value scoring. When Crawford's hot, he can light it up, as we all know.
But TD is just so young and talented and overall a damn good G, whose main weakness is passing. It’s an interesting discussion.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
When Toney's hot, he sets franchise 3 pointer records.
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by Chairman Meow on Dec 11, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
TD is far from a bad shooter and can get hot too, but Crawford can put up 25pt games and up when he's hot.
Where TD’s “usually” a lesser guy then that when he’t hot(but can score well too). I still think TD is the better all around and more complete player though.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
When Crawford is hot hot
He ties the NBA record for shots made in a row without a miss
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You can always bench a guy before that happens.
Melo sometimes goes cold and forces when he shouldn’t. He’s had some terrible shooting games last season.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Remember him going for 52 against Miami?
I get warm just thinking about it.
Waiting for Christmas...
by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 11, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
He's also ice cold (in the good way) at the end of games
It’s nowhere to be found on the internet now, but there used to be a video of all of his game-winning shots when he was a Knick. There were literally 9 or 10, and you can add 3 or 4 to his list since he left NY.
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I take Jamal
Not even close
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do u guys really think d’antoni is gonna get a new contractor do u think he will make it through the season………dont see how that old dog is gonna change his stripes?
Well if he is doing an addition to his house
Of course he will need a new contractor.
This made me giggle
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I think we should just let sleeping tigers lie or we'll get up with fleas.
Or something you got me all mixed up on my metaphors now. Basically if D’antoni only gets one year with a stable team to “prove” himself that would be bullshit. If people suddenly clamor that he started focusing on defense now, even as it coincides with the fact that we have more players who are defensively-minded on the team, that would also be bullshit.
Fish Fingers give me a break.
I don't it
Dolan’s probably the one who got the contractor. And it’s MSG, so he probably made some pretty good bank.
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by Chairman Meow on Dec 11, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
He 's completely abandoning his usual offensive system
So i’llcsay he’s flexible
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Has anyone seen Kendrick Perkins
He lost 32 pounds and looks like a whole new person
Nowadays everybody wanna talk, like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherfu****s act like they forgot about Dre
by King Henry the 2nd on Dec 11, 2011 4:13 PM EST reply actions
He needed to do that
He was so slow he was useless last year
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weird
OKC will probably come out of the west this year. so good
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by Ray Smuckles on Dec 11, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
No new news on Extra E right? He's not leaning or close with anyone right?
Just want to make sure, he would really help finish filling out our bench.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Poope needs to hurry the fuck up
We got a preseason game in 6 days and the season starts in 2 weeks. If he decides to come back, as we’ve seen, there’s usually an extra day tacked on before it becomes official. He could potentially only get like 4 days in camp!
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All that he needs is some extra fiber in his diet and he'll be ready to go
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Small Forward
Looking at the roster, we literally have no one who plays behind Melo at SF, unless you cant Bully and Landry as SF guys.
We already have TD, Bibby, Landry, Iman, and Bully to man the guard positions.
We know MDA is only going to play like 9-10 guys anyway at the max.
TD, Iman, Bibby, Fields, Melo, Poop, Amar’e, Jefrries, and Chandler.
Just sign Poop!
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scoring depth is an issue for us now...
especially on the frontcourt. no low post scoring whatsoever (jefferies? jordan? harrellson?) when amare is catching his breath (unless we put melo in at the 4 for a bit). poop is a stretch 4.
kurt is in portland.
by bucketsncents on Dec 11, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
At the end of last season, who did we have scoring a lot off the bench in the 4/5 slot though?
And remember, we never had a lot of scoring from our starting 5 before last year. Chandler will make up for some of that, and I think Jordan will surprise people some offensively off the bench. I don’t think he’ll drop a lot, but scoring 5pg is all he should be asked for from the bench and I think he’s capable. And Poop, if signed, will be enough O off the bench I’d expect with bibby/shump/walker/all-others. I think we’ll be fine. A lot of people don’t have the front court scoring up front we do.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Fair enough, I just figured he’d be our SG.
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Landry, Imani and Bully are all SF sized
there’s no reason any of them can’t guard 3’s and we know on offense they can shoot (or at least think IMani can) so it doesn’t matter.
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Landry's liking the team.
landryfields Landry Fields
Great day at the gym! Feeling this squad.. “Train like a champion, become a champion.” -Stat City
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Something interesting I found...
Mike Bibby is 40th in all time assists with 5437.
Chauncey Billups is 39th with 5465.
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I can't believe how much Billups is dragging this out. If he didn't make/receive stupid money for his option, this would never have been an issue.
He’s getting paid like a great PG, he isn’t a great PG anymore. He’s around to below average overall as a starting 1G right now, and I don’t know how he can’t fathom that. And he’s still only gonna age more. Does he thinks his intangibles off the court make him amazing or something?
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Alright fellas.
I’m off to play some pick-up. I think I’ll let my man drive past me easily and fantasize that Tyson Chandler is waiting in the paint behind me.
Nah, instead I’ll just DWTDD. Peace.
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by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 11, 2011 4:27 PM EST reply actions
let our youngins grow
We need extra E to back up 3 and 4 spot for us. Use that 2.5 on him. He’s young and effective on both ends. He will also be looking for more than minimum. Our guard core is young (except Bibby), but not shabby. Please let them develop WITH our all-stars.
by knicker4life on Dec 11, 2011 4:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions
via Alan Hahn
Hearing Jamal Crawford 3-team scenario doesn’t have legs, though #Knicks do like Crawford. Not pursuing trade
You know, last night I was pretty opposed to the idea of trading TD for Crawford
but the more I think about it, the more I’d be OK with it. Not because of Crawford’s merits, but because I’ve been ignoring all the times TD has been frustrating. His inability to run the offense, his own tendency to chuck… and his overrated (still good, but overrated) D. I found it a bit alarming last year how many times, post-trade, Douglas would throw up 14, 15, 17 shots in a game. Even if Crawford reverts to his days of really terrible shot selection, I’m not sure how much worse that would be than Tony. And what people are saying is right – Jamal CAN run the fast break, he CAN pass, throw up lobs, he CAN handle the ball (although TD is much better at protecting the ball). All things considered, I’m still not sure that I’d do the trade, but it worries me less, upon reflection.
Of course, this may all be academic if the trade doesn’t have legs…
I wouldn’t be all against it, but I would love it if we could get Crawfish without giving TD up.
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If we did have to give him up:
Jamal Landry Melo Amar’e Tyson
Bibby Iman Bully Poop Jeffries
Balkman Harrelson/Jordan
is a pretty solid group of 12.
Thoughts? That’s some serious scoring.
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That looks pretty good to me.
The rotation would be Crawford, Landry, Melo, Amare, and Chandler starting with Bibby, Iman, Poop (assuming he signs) and Jeffries off the bench (no need to consider anyone else since D’Antoni doesn’t play more than 9 barring injuries). That’s fairly solid – assuming, again, that Poop signs, and that Shumpty Shump does turn out to be decent.
Yeah, I think it’s pretty solid.
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why not offer that for some Poope??
by blackhova on Dec 11, 2011 5:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions
If Toney didn't mind I'd do the trade
only because I know how some dudes feel about playing in their hometowns and plus his brother is there also(having a career year as well) He may actually welcome a trade to ATL. So I’d think about it if he were for it.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 11, 2011 6:02 PM EST reply actions
I doubt it
D.T.O.T.D stands for Don't Trade Our Toney Douglas
I'd spent an hour watching TD highlights on youtube
I can definitively say I don’t want to trade Toney.
I don't think that's a good idea
only thing more overated and soft than osi umenyora is the 2011 eagles
by metseaglesknicks on Dec 11, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
No
D.T.O.T.D stands for Don't Trade Our Toney Douglas
I hate you
Nowadays everybody wanna talk, like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherfu****s act like they forgot about Dre
by King Henry the 2nd on Dec 11, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
hahaha!
more likely he’ll sign with the cavs, where he and dan gilbert can share name recognition, and absolute hatred for lebron
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Nets are checking into him
apparently at the request of Deron Williams
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 11, 2011 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
They're now offering Williams a max deal AND the GM job
Proud owner of over 20,000 comments. (most of them in the wrong place) Oh yeah, and Buster Posey
D-Will has gone rogue
Nowadays everybody wanna talk, like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherfu****s act like they forgot about Dre
by King Henry the 2nd on Dec 11, 2011 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
Has anyone come into camp comically overweight?
I was really hoping the lockout would create a few of those
only thing more overated and soft than osi umenyora is the 2011 eagles
by metseaglesknicks on Dec 11, 2011 6:14 PM EST reply actions
You mean has anyone showed up 'Kemp'
Lmao
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by Ozraider on Dec 11, 2011 9:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You mean showed up "Curried"....
Remember the year he should up so fat he sat on an exercise ball and it blew up?
so i've been thinking about the bibby situation
and he had some nice things to say about his role and what he anticipates. but also… i’m much more comofrtable with that guy coming in and playing roger mason minutes, than i was with roger mason.
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Totally
Mason had one good year shooting while Bibby’s shot well from three for years.
pretty much
also, bibby has a much surer dribble than mason. as 10th, 11th man depth. bibby is solid.
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Yeah as a 10,11th man sure
But Bibby is going to be the backup PG.
If D'Antoni sticks to his guns
Shumpert is the backup.
There's lots of mixing and matching to be done
Bibby, Shump, and TD can all play either guard position.
by Seth on Dec 11, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
d'antoni sticks to his guns
thats what his detractors complain about
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when I think about it that way it takes the sting off
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 11, 2011 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah that's sort of where I'm at.
I liked this:
“The easy thing was that Mike Woodson coached him in Atlanta, and his first words were, ‘Whatever you need from him, he’ll give you; from the bench, from the starter, from not playing,’” D’Antoni said. “Whatever we ask he would do, and he would do it professionally. That’s a no-brainer.”
that kinda sounds perfect
and he seems to be saying the right stuff so I’ll give him a chance. I would have gave him a chance anyway to be honest but it would have been much more grudgingly.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 11, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
yea that turned me too.
seems like woodson and d’antoni are two very likeable coaches, and that can go a long way when it gets down to the nitty gritty.
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bibby should know better
Mike _’antoni can never win.
whats with all these professional basketball players having no idea about basketball.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
No offense
But what’s with all these fans thinking they know more about the game than the players, coaches and GM’s
lol
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by Ozraider on Dec 11, 2011 10:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
im just tired of professional athletes
who play the game thinking they know more about the game then the people who watch it.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
LOL
My apologies, where is the sarcasm font!
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do you mean?
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
that was a good interview with bibby
bro’s a pro
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by Ray Smuckles on Dec 11, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
Right now we have three quality players
None of whom are guards. Add Jamal and we have four quality players, one of whom is a guard
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Sorry Toney and Landry
it’s off to the glue factory for you.
by Chuck Burly on Dec 11, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not trying to be a hater
It’s just true . . . Like, if I were to break down our team from last year into the following tiers
Amare
Gallo Felton chandler
Landry Turiaf toney
Mozgov walker Williams
Would anyone really object?
Jamal is somewhere around that second tier, maybe a little higher. He’s a player deserving of getting at least 30 minutes on a contender. Landry and Douglas are a step below
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Well, yeah
but if you draw the “quality” line under the first tier, then the Knicks are in the same boat as pretty much every other team ever.
by Seth on Dec 11, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think the second and first tiers are the players you really worry about
Guys like Landry and dougie are nice but expendable
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I agree. Was just hung up on the "quality" thing.
And I still think the Knicks have as many players in your first tier as anybody in the league.
Yeah, amare and Carmelo are
And then Tyson kind of sort of is considering he has a case for being one of the top defensive players in the league and he’s the rare starting caliber center. I think he finished second in the dpoy running
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Oh yeah I didn't mean to say they're bad
But they’re not top 5 players on contenders most likely
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The question is, what team does have top 5 players 1 to 5
As far as I’m concerned Tyson is given the state of centers in the league. Most players in their 2nd and 3rd year are coming into their own/prime. This is the year for these younguns.
I just don't see toney and Landry as the fifth best players on championship teams
More like 6th-9th best players
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Can you tell me how many 8th and 9th players go:
10pts/6.5rebs/2ass or 12pts/3.5rebs/3.5ass with above average D? (or if Crawford is landed: 14pts/3.2ass/1.7rebs)
You really seem to be underrating these guys. Would it be nice to have more depth? Sure, but what we are dealing with is far from sub-par. Look at the list below: Is Fisher/Chalmers/Arroyo-Bibby much better overall then TD right now? Is Korver/Jeff-Green/Blair much better then Fields overall right now? Because those are the comparisons you need to make when talking starter/top 5 players on contenders. And I think Fields/TD stack up much better then you are giving them credit for.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Well, if you go through the past few championship teams
You have
Dirk, terry, chandler, Kidd, and Marion from the Mavs
Kidd and Marion are old, but those are former all stars, all nba players. Toney and Landry are worse than all of them
Kobe, pau, Bynum, odom, metta, fisher
They’re obviously not in the same league as the first four. Artest and fisher were very experienced and artest is a former defensive player of the year
Pierce, Garnett, ray, rondo, Perkins
Theyre worse than all of them
I say we need at least one more Crawford level player.
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I agree that 1 more Crawford like player would put us over the top, but I don't think it's necessary to have a real title run.
Not many teams have the 2 high-end players like us in Stat and Melo, they compare as good or better all around as any top 2 tandem in the NBA. I’d take Stat/Melo over Dirk/Terry, I’d take Stat/Melo over any combo of Pierce/Rondo/Garnett/Allen, and I’d might even take Melo/Stat over Kobe/Pau at this point in both their careers. Lebron/Wade is the toughest call, depends on how you rate them.
The point is, when we are so strong with our top 2, we don’t need as much depth as other teams would to be a real threat to win championships. When Kobe/Shaq were together for the 3-peat, they had Fisher/Horry/Fox as the other starting 3. And look at miami, they made it to the finals with their big 3 in their 1st year together, and their supporting cast was far from great.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Stat and Melo are a nice top two
But I cant see our current depth being enough. We’re not too far off; a baron Davis or Jamal Crawford type could put us over the top IMO, and that’s worth giving up Landry or toney.
I mean, Jared Jeffries and bill walker arguably outplayed them both during the playoffs. That’s how replaceable their production is.
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landry fields
is one of the best rebounding guards in the league. Led for most (all?) of the season in that category.
was a top 3 rookie last year.
was the funniest models employee ever.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
by gbaked on Dec 11, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And he looked like hot garbage in the playoffs
I LIKE Landry, but let’s be realistic with what he is
Literally like he shouldnt be in the nba. He’s a great rebounder,but he’s not going to have that niche playing with Carmelo and Chandler
He’s a good hustle player, but he can’t create his own shot, has a slow release and only a set shot, can’t dribble, and can’t really guard twos. He’s a role player, not a force.
Jamal can generate his own offense and offense for others.
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I meant to say he looked like he didn't belong in the nba during the playoffs
He was just crap, and this is reflected in the minutes the coaching staff gave him
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i think you are underestamating the man
i hate excuses. but Landry’s playoff troubles do have some.
a) there is the rookie wall… so he was prob mad tired.
b) he was not right after the trade. He came into a team of young players trying to prove themselves. All of a sudden, ALL of them were traded for a “superstar” that prob didnt go out of his way to include Landry when he got here (not that he should have, or maybe he should have). I dont think enough attention has ben given to that. It has to be jarring to a young guy to go though that… a very quick introduction to “its a business.”
c) playoffs, in MSG, for the first time in forever, with your big star and team backbone hurt and all new guys that you dont know.
I think you have to discount the playoffs for the young guys. You cant ignore it… but it would have been more surprising for them to excel in that situation.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
I expect improvements out of Landry too
But he’s still a bit of a niche player, and we saw how bad he can be when taken out of that niche. I would like to keep him, I really would, and that’s part of the reason I would prefer signing Davis over trading for Jamal, but I think at this point we have to be willing to trade him if it meant getting a player who is in the top half at his position in the NBA.
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Jamal can't guard twos either
As for Landry, he looked like a great complementary player pre-trade, that was for a huge chunk of the season. He regressed, but the point guard changed and he never found his role. You may be right about him but also you may be wrong. Let’s see what happens this year.
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Completely agreed. Just look around the league from last year:
Our 4 and 5 top/starting players right now are Douglas/Landry
With our Top 3 being Melo/Stat/Chandler
Celtics:
Top 3: Rondo/Garnett/Pierce
4/5: Allen/Jeff Green
Bulls:
Top 3: Rose/Deng/Boozer
4/5: Noah/Korver-Gibson
Heat:
Top 3: Wade/James/Bosh
4/5: Joel Anthony/Chalmers-Arroyo
Lakers:
Top 3: Kobe/Gasol/Bynum
4/5: Fisher/Artest
Spurs:
Top 3: Parker/Ginobli/Duncan
4/5: Jefferson/Blair
Mavericks:
Top 3: Nowitzki/Terry/Kidd
4/5: Marion/Chandler
As far as top 5’s go, I don’t think we are the best but we are sitting pretty good.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
It annoys me how easily people forget how good Landry was before he hit the rookie wall
TYBG
by The Rooster on Dec 11, 2011 10:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It could be the rookie wall
But you also have to consider that part of his garbage hustle role overlaps with Carmelo who’s a lot better at that than him. Now that we have a good rebounding front court, his rebounding is going to be less useful
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Off topic, but Tebow
Nowadays everybody wanna talk, like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherfu****s act like they forgot about Dre
by King Henry the 2nd on Dec 11, 2011 7:22 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I'm a huge fan of him on the field
But I refuse to root for someone who refuses to take credit for what he accomplishes.
by BJabs on Dec 11, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Its Humble
Dunno why you can hate that.
My Wife is a Patriot's fan...
by Giantssincesix on Dec 11, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
Because it’s cliche and also essentially a lie when taken to the extreme. It’s just as annoying as a guy being self-centered and taking all of the credit.
by paxon on Dec 11, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Errr
You are making an assumption its a lie. Do you have evidence its a lie? Do you talk to Tebow? Did he tell you he is lying?
If you think its cliche then that’s fine.
Believe it or not there are professional athletes who honestly believe in what they say even it is cliche. My wife is one of them. Unless you want to call her a liar?
My Wife is a Patriot's fan...
by Giantssincesix on Dec 11, 2011 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
your wife is a...
patriot’s fan?! eesh
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by Ray Smuckles on Dec 11, 2011 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
I know...
My Wife is a Patriot's fan...
by Giantssincesix on Dec 11, 2011 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not talking about Tim Tebow in specific, I’m talking about the general notion of never taking credit when it is due which is then, inherently, false
wait
your wife is a professional athlete?
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by ny knickerbocker on Dec 11, 2011 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
was
Typo.
My Wife is a Patriot's fan...
by Giantssincesix on Dec 11, 2011 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
what sport? just curious, because that's kind of awesome...unless she was a boxer.
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by ny knickerbocker on Dec 11, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
then i would just be scared all the time.
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by ny knickerbocker on Dec 11, 2011 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
haha
Volleyball =). But I think she can still kick my butt.
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by Giantssincesix on Dec 11, 2011 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
I'm convinced at this point that teams are conspiring to let him win
If Marion Barber doesn’t stupidly go out of bounds at the end of the 4th, the Broncos never even get the ball back.
by Joamiq on Dec 11, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I shut it off with like 8 min to go :(
and to everyone else, I’m fine with whatever he wants to say. It’s like everyone tells me when I’ve finally heard one repetitive rap song too many. Turn it off.
P&T has already been declared a Tebow free zone
Please go and slap yourself now.
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by Ozraider on Dec 11, 2011 9:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Forget Jamal
Sign and trade for tebow
by espnsucks ((banned)) on Dec 11, 2011 7:26 PM EST reply actions
Nah
Jamal throwing ducks > Tebow throwing ducks
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by Chairman Meow on Dec 11, 2011 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
Probably looking for a d league or European team
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Aww
I’d like to see Landry hire him as personal assistant/bff.
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by Chairman Meow on Dec 11, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
Shump
Is the expectation that he will primarily play point or the 2?
The expectation is that he will average a quintuple double over the whole season
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I'd also be happy with a single-triple.
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by Chairman Meow on Dec 11, 2011 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
Can we at least get a triple-triple?
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I'm guessing 2,
just because Douglas seems to be the starter and Bibby would back him up. But, you know, who really knows how it’ll all play out
because of the amount of back to backs
i’m expecting everyone to get a fair shake. and the players that deserve it will be there when it matters.
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I would think he'd bridge between both depending who's on the floor
The assumption to me in MDA wanting him to play point is he’s a PG, but his skill on defense and athleticism would merit him floor time when we need perimeter defense…it def feels like 2 guard when TD is the starting 1 and Bibby is the backup
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Fair enough really
He is worth more than that.
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by Ozraider on Dec 11, 2011 10:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Easy for me to say
but Crawford and Barea need to look past the 2 yr $. Here they start for a dynamic team anywhere else they come off the bench and only start due to injury. Barea is considering the Twolves he would be stuck behind Rubio forever
You're not a diehard fan if every now and then your team doesn't try to kill you
ha
look past the $
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by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Dec 11, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
I know right
but Justin Tuck in those subway commercials means theres other money for our athletes
You're not a diehard fan if every now and then your team doesn't try to kill you
Crawford rules for that.
but I like his tweets better than his running “look, I’m kobe” fadeaway on every other possession when he was a Knick.
haven’t been in these comments since the lockout. missed it.
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by PrivateRadio on Dec 11, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
Can we stop saying that Tyson Chandler is overpaid?
1)His salary average last 4 years was 12 million. Hes getting a 15 percent raise for winning a championship. This is unacceptable?
2)Marc Gasol with career averages of 12.8 and 7.8 rpg per 32mgp is gonna make 55 over 4
3)Deandre jordan. 5.6 ppg 5.6 rpg per 20mpg for 3 years..10 million a year newly signed.
4)Nene waiting to accept 4 years 64?..
Again overpaid is a relative term. And relatively speaking, Tyson is pretty much worth his contract based on current market value for 2nd tier centers.
by bababooey2 on Dec 11, 2011 10:46 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
Based on talent alone
Yeah, Chandler is overpaid. But, when viewed in the context of the current NBA climate with regards to the dearth of centers; he is only slightly overpaid.
The elephant in the room
Age. Fair or not, Gasol, Jordan, and Nene are younger and have been more durable than Chandler.
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Major Faux paus in the room...
1)Nene and Tyson are both 29 yrs old. Nene has 4 year 64 million dollar offer on table from nets and rockets. Nuggets offering 5 years and 60.
2)Nene has missed 50-60 more games that tyson chandler even though tyson has one more year in the nba.
3)What you call young, I can unproven especially in the case of DeAndre Jordan who has been in the league for only 3 years is 23 years old and has whopping career averages of 5.6ppg and 5.7 rpg on a consistently last place team. Oh im sorry he averaged 7.1 points 7.6 rpg this year. Big jump. This is suddenly worth 10 million a year?
4)Gasol is a mediocre rebounder for his size that had a Carlos Beltran-like playoff performance last year. Normally he is 12 ppg and 8 rpg per 32 mpg. This is not upper 2nd tier. More like upper 3rd tier.
just for comparison purposes, you’re not including nene’s cancer shortened year as missed games are you? it’s one thing to miss games due to poor conditioning or being injury prone, but having cancer and missing a season is a different bird.
in my opinion chandler is high risk high reward. he could snap or lead this back to the glory years of the mid 90s interior defense.
fair point..
but even if you subract the 40 games he missed between jan and march of 08, that still gives him more than tyson..despite tyson playing one more year.
Secondly chandler doesnt need to “snap back.” He was all nba 2nd defensive team and starting center for nba champion mavs……last year. and hes under 30.
Even if there's no Knick news tomorrow
we still need an open thread. There’s too much going on around the league not to have one.
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Agreed
I’m expecting a lizard. Maybe we can just transfer things to that. It’s up to Seth, obviously.
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