Monday Gharials
by Seth on Dec 12, 2011 8:49 AM EST
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Morning, baby corns. I need to head out the door in a second, but I want to get some links up first. Take the jump for said links!
- Gharials are another top reptile jam from the Bronx Zoo. Imagine a crocodile, only with a snout that's just inches in diameter, except for a bulbous ghara on the tip (in males). They're awesome.
- J.J. Barea appears to have reached an agreement with the Timberwolves, so there goes that potential signing. If David Kahn's really willing to pay Barea for four years, then more power to both parties. The Knicks, meanwhile, are still sitting on that "room" exception. Unless Jamal Crawford's willing to take 'em (unlikely), I'd hand those 5 million dollars over two years directly to Shawne Williams. It's time to bring the poop back.
- Via my comrade Scott Schroeder (of Ridiculous Upside), the Knicks have invited Chris Hunter and Devin Green to camp. Hunter is the former Michigan and D-League big man who was in camp with the Knicks a few years ago. He's a big, strong fellow who put in some good games for the Warriors a couple years back. Solid camp competition for Jerome Jordan and Josh Harrellson. Green is the former Lakers swingman who's spent most of his career overseas. He has a very blurry Wikipedia photo, which leads me to believe that he's awesome and/or Bigfoot.
- Side note: Devin Green, Devin Brown, Devin Gray, Devon White.
- Everybody came away from training camp this weekend with a "they're trying to make Toney Douglas the starting point guard" story. Here they are.
- Jared Zwerling's training camp notes are most excellent. Scroll down for his "practice observations", which include some good stuff regarding Iman Shumpert and Josh Harrellson.
- If you're still coming to terms with the Mike Bibby signing, I recommend this and this.
- TKB is hosting a "Knicks Jump-Off Party" on Friday night at The Hill (same place as the most recent P&T meet-up). I will be there, jumping off of stuff.
That's all for the moment, babies!
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ugh!
what took you so god damn long! j/k, i just woke up, silly!
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Barea to the Wolves?
Good news! That means it’s time for Kahn to dump Ridnour for nothing, since he’s onto his third annual senseless fringe starter PG contract… let’s give him a call, for all we know he’s enamored with Balkman
TYBG
probably should have called him with Turiaf
Turiaf would have been a great fit in Minnesota since he’d be their best center
yes
we sent it to DAL who sent it to LAL in the Odom trade
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I dont think
that is accurate.
Dallas got a exception for trading Chandler. Not from us. I think.
The Triple Felt Goose movement shall live as long as I am around.
by JerzeeBalla on Dec 12, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
They got an exception from us, but that originated from our cap space
I guess we may have combined the Turiaf TPE with it if we needed that money to trade Chandler
TYBG
by The Rooster on Dec 12, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Could have traded Turiaf to Minnesota for a pick
And we should have gotten something for letting Dallas get Odom for nothing.
minnesota offered a pick?
and why do we get anything for the odom deal? we basically got tyson chandler for andy rautins….
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but we could have had tyson chandler for nothing
Now Dallas gets Lamar Odom for less money than Tyson Chandler. Some would consider that an upgrade, depending on how well the other Dallas centers play.
I don’t see why the Knicks weren’t able to get anything from anyone.
Lamar Odom is not a rebounding, defensive center
I don’t see how you could say it’s an ‘upgrade’.
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Lamar was 6th man of the year and was much better offensively
Many people would say he’s a better player overall
Well, maybe
But it’s all about fit. Odom plays the same position as Dirk, doesn’t he?
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thats perfectly fair
but the mavs are a worse team with brendan haywood in tyson chandler’s place. simple as that. odom may well still be 6th man of the year. or he’ll start and nowitzki will be an overmatched center again.
you probably complain about stoudemire having to play center. but now you can’t. the lakers and mavs owe us nothing in the lamar odom trade. you’re kidding yourself.
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Usually teams pay a first rounder for salary cap space/trade exception
For instance, see the Clippers giving away Baron Davis with a first round pick. Kurt Thomas’s deal was traded with a first round pick.
Sure, the moves help the Knicks overall and Dallas is probably worse. But the Knicks did Dallas a big favor.
the move it benefited both teams
theoretically equally. i guess i’m just too dumb.
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exactly, it benefited both teams equally
Even though it didn’t have to benefit Dallas at all. The Knicks had the envious position of being under the cap and did not use it to its potential.
Look also at other examples of free agents signing with new teams. The old team rarely gets anything unless if they’re needed to sign and trade in order to give a player a higher max deal.
I think you are forgetting something
Doing the sign and trade and giving the Mavs Rautins allowed the Knicks to pay Chandler more. Also, since it was a three way deal with the Wizards involving Turiaf, you never know – if they hadn’t been able to do it this way the Knicks might have had to offer something more to get rid of Turiaf, like our 2016 first round pick or something.
I think your accusation of the Knicks front office is really a stretch. You have no way of knowing what options were on the table for them.
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Essentially
Knicks got nothing for two valuable assets- Turiaf and $10 million trade exception.
I can’t think of another team that has given away either asset like that.
It seems the Knicks always get hustled in deals because they kill all of their leverage by letting it be known they’re desperate for something to happen. This is trading away Jeffries with a first round pick and Hill all over again. Sure, it helps long term, but not a smart deal.
You're assuming that a better deal was available
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there's no way to know what was available
Probably nothing was available since the Knicks have been showing their cards way too soon
I think you're being too hard on this.
Fans like us simplify this whole process way too much. Like the current deals being thrown about for CP3.
“Yeah this is a great deal for NO! They have young assets and picks! They can always flip those young assets for better players!”
They don’t realize that it’s not that simple or those players wouldn’t have been available for trade since they WOULD HAVE BEEN TRADED ALREADY. This is what’s getting Morey in Houston in trouble. Collecting all these eminently flippable assets that turn out to collectively be worth less than the parts of the sum. Seriously who was clamoring to give us picks for Turiaf? What realistically did you think Rautins would net? It’s easy to say “So and so needs a C! Trade with them!” but nobody’s trying to do anyone else a favor in this league. I didn’t get the hubbub about not getting something about of Corey Freaking Brewer. He got mad burn in Dallas eh? Hill made us look like dummies once he started tearing it up in Houston, yeah? No. They’re both bums and killing Walsh/Grunwald for not somehow maximizing their transaction potential is almost pedantic.
Fish Fingers give me a break.
if you think the knicks traded a trade exception
you’re dead wrong. they maneuvered themselves under the cap to perform a sign and trade that chandler was amenable to.
you think you found something to be sore about, but you didn’t.
the knicks did not have a trade a trade exception, the sign and trade created one for the mavs.
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and there is nothing wrong with helping an opposing team
it might hurt at first, but making good decisions will give you stronger relationships down the road.
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maybe i should repeat this
we got tyson chandler for andy rautins.
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wait wait
turiaf and rautins for tyson chandler. tyson chandler is a wonderful basketball player.
lamar odom is no slouch, but those trades were entirely seperate from each other. furthermore, odom would not solve problems for the knicks, whereas chandler instantly solves some of our biggest problems. and might turn weaknesses into strengths.
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That's not how the trade worked
We got tyson chandler for $14 million and andy rautins.
Dallas got a huge trade exception so they could get another good player for free from a team who wants to save money
we got what we wanted.
you are correct, that is the way it worked out.
i’m happy with this trade through and through. the lakers owed us nothing, and the mavericks made helped facilitate the signing away of arguably the second most important player on their team.
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you honestly think Kahn will part with one of his PGs?
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 12, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
He loves his PGs the way that Gollum loved the One Ring
They are his precious.
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by Russ on Dec 12, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
then he needs to sign one more so he can still have a complete collection
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 12, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
More like Czar of the Paint
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Deron Williams told him to
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Where voter turnout is 140%…nice!
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Rich and power and all.
I hope he doesn’t pass the line where he get sent away.
A void? I see no void!
Boy that Stern-bashing media bandwagon is about to fall off a cliff.....
because since no one follows the clippers few if any realized that they actually possessed the Twolves unprotected 2012 1st round pick which is as valuable draft pick as a team can get. Surefire top 3 pick, thus a potential franchise player in the best draft since 03. Andre Drummind, Anthony Davis, Jeremy Lamb, Harrison Barnes. Man, take ur pick. You throw in Al Farooq Aminu, Eric Bledsoe and a legit 2nd tier center in Chris Kaman with an expiring contract and this is a FAR FAR FAR more desirable package in terms of youth, potential, and financial cost than Odom, Scola, Martin, and Dragic. More desirable not only in terms of basketball talent but as an optimal way to enhance the value of the franchise for potential buyers in the future. No better way to replace a franchise player…than with another. Lakers package could not satisfy this ultimate desire.
When Stern said the trade was rejected for “basketball reasons” players, fans and sportswriters excoriated him mercilessly. Erroneous groupthink is dangerous and very contagious. I never thought the criticism of the veto was justified solely on the basis of the NBA’s lordship over the Hornets. Now Its pretty clear the stated reason was the actual reason, which was the correct reason.
Some are claiming that Gordon IS in the deal, but they don’t want his people to know because they want to sign him to an extension if the deal falls through.
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Yeah, the reports saying Gordon was safe are now saying Gordon might be in
TYBG
by The Rooster on Dec 12, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Last I saw on ESPN
Which was like 20 minutes ago, it said Gordon, Aminu (don’t know his full name), Kaman and the Wolves’ pick.
If it includes Gordon that might be better than the original, but if it doesn’t, I don’t know, I’d have preferred the first trade
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With or without Gordon
I think it’s a better deal. The Hornets will most likely have 2 high lottery picks in next year’s draft. This is a good place to start rebuilding the franchise.
If Clips include Gordon, that’s a GREAT trade for the Hornets.
I agree
The Lakers deal involved the Hornets taking on a lot of salary for very good but not great players that were not young enough. I understand why Stern nixed it, and I think this is a better deal long term for them.
I predict this one gets the OK from Stern. Laker fans are going to be PISSED. They have a right to be if only because Stern should have nixed the deal before they went public with it. That would have saved Lamar Odom from being humiliated and demanding a trade.
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Yeah that's true
If they get two high picks in this year’s draft, they may very well be able to build around those players. However, even then, it takes awhile to actually compete.
I think with the other deal, they had a solid 7-8 man rotation that could have probably finished around 5th-7th in the West, possibly higher, and then had very tradable pieces if they wanted to get younger, or get dump salary
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T-Wolves...
now I ain’t sayin’ they’ll be great… but am I the only one who sees the T-Wolves as having a nice turn-around year?
Granted I like them and am a fan of D Williams (Arizona hoops fan here), but they actually have some young talent up there that might blend well together and surprise some people.
I only add this cuz you were saying how the pick is a guaranteed top-3 pick. I don’t think that’ll be the case at all. Anyways….. carry-on…
Don't the TWolves
just have like 4 point guards, 5 small forwards, and Kevin Love?
They also have
4 or 5 overpaid centers, led by the illustrious Dr. Milicic.
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Plus our very own Anthony Randolph!!
Who we all DID love for a while and felt had SO much potential. Maybe THIS will be h is year? ;-)
they have ar, a very good coach and kevin love
minny twolve’s rotation
G rubio/ridnour
G jj barea/johnson
F beasely/d.williams
F d.williams/anthony randolph/beasely/brad miller
C kevinlove/ anthony randolph/ milicic/brad milleer
they also have terry porter as their defensive coach..
this team has legit ridiculous upside
yea the t-wolves will be ok, but not good
the point guard rotation is decent, tough to tell how rubio will do. they got one of the better power forwards in the league. beasley can really score, and i have a feeling wes johnson is gonna take a step forward.
add to that, rick adelman consistently gets a whole lot out of his players, and you could have something good there.
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"ok" is a good word...
I think they’ll be competitive most nights and definitely do better than last year. Plus, their team is so young… I really think if they play things right, they could seriously compete for a playoff spot next year easily.
yea, i mean
things will have to break their way. but they have some good pieces, and good coaching. management is fickle, but one thing you can’t take away from kahn is that he wants to win. the kid’s got heart.
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They have some good, intriguing pieces
But I don’t see how they fit together. I don’t see a problem with a guard rotation of Barea, Ridnour, and Rubio, but they’re congested up front. They got Love, Derrick Williams, Beasley, Wes Johnson, Anthony Randolph, Darko, Brad Miller and then scrubs like Tolliver and Nikola Pekovic.
A lot of those players deserve playing time, and I don’t see how they could make that happen. Then again, most of those are tradable players if they wanted to round out the team. Should be interesting
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So Baron Davis has been skipping practice...
with “back pain” or is that maybe a ruse to get him Amnestied or bought out??? I’m guessing the latter. Perhaps we still have some hope of getting him.
http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2011/12/baron_davis_remains_out_of_cle.html
If we landed Baron Davis
What would our pg rotation be? Would Davis start, backed up by TD, with shumpert playing really combo minutes?
Baron Davis Probably doesn't get to us.
by Robert Curre on Dec 12, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah that's thats problem
Maybe they will try to work out a buy-out deal like the pistons did with rip . . .
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But why?
I don’t see Dan Gilbert setting him free to join a big market team. Unless Davis takes a lot less than salary owed. Could happen, I guess. More likely than amnesty, I think.
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Yeah I dunno either
I think their roster is pretty inexpensive now. If they want to go for a big trade or something, it’ll happen.
I am starting to think our pg for the future will be obtained this summer for the MLE
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Much more important than this basketball stuff
The Bronx Zoo apparently does not have Gharials, what they have is False Gharials
I haven't been there in a year or two.
but did they not have both? They’ve had regular gharials in Jungle World/Reptile House at different points in time.
I can't find internet evidence of any gharials there, so I'm assuming you're right.
I could swear they used to have gharials AND false gharials in the Reptile House when I was little.
You may in fact be right
I just always remember the fake Gharials because I thought they were plastic animals for a while because they were called fake and never moved
Sucks about Barea
Oh well. Let’s get Poope back here.
Also, the Knicks still need to fill out their roster, so I’m interested to see who’s next on their radar. I imagine they’ll go after at least one more actual NBA player, and then maybe sign one of those training camp bros. It seems every year they try and make an unheard of player into a rotation player (Extra E, Roberson two years before, etc.)
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There are also so many pg's next summer who might take that exception
Felt, Nash, a couple others. Might be worth trying to get jamal and waiting on another pg for now. If no Jamal, then sign poope.
Yeah there are some PGs that could possibly be had for the MLE next summer
But if the Knicks sign Jordan and Shawne Williams, they’ll still only have 13 players on the roster. They’ll probably sign one of Chris Hunter or Devin Green, because they seem to like to do that, but I would imagine they’ll try and fill out a full 15 man roster, which means they might still dip into free agency to see who’s available
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Coming to terms with the Mike Bibby Signing...
It is what it is, and I’m actually pretty pleased with it. To me, this looks like the Yankees signing Freddy Garcia, Bartolo Colon, Kevin Millwood and Carlos Silva last season to supplement Phil Hughes and Ivan Nova as question marks in the rotation. Sure, two of those guys never made the roster. They were gambles, and Cashman knew it. That’s why he had 6 minimum wage players under contract for 2 positions.
We’re shallow at PG. We’re taking flyers on DWTDD and Shumpty as NBA-ready, regular-minutes Point Guards. (For the record, I believe they will be, but that’s almost beside the point.) For $1.4 million dollars, we’re hedging our bet with a former near all-star-caliber player. $1.4 million is nothing. If he turns out to be terrible, we can always cut him; we might even be able to trade him for a 2nd round pick or something if we get desperate.
If we were signing this guy to be our long-term solution at point guard, I’d be FURIOUS. But I really don’t think we are. Grunwald is just following the Brian Cashman-it’s-a-shallow-market-at-this-position-and-my-budget-is-already-spent model of player acquisition. When you can’t get high upside at a reasonable price, or moderate upside for cheap, why not settle for any-upside-at-all for dirt cheap?
by nocookiesforme on Dec 12, 2011 11:02 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Tell you why I'm starting to like it...
1. They’ve signed him as the backup and are committing to going with Toney as the starter. I think the best way to go is to let a young guy grow with the team.
2. His experience running the point on playoff teams is a complementary skill to Douglas and Shump. But their defense is a complementary skill to Bibby’s game. So he can offer us a different look, a different option. And it seems like his attitude is great.
3. His dad was a member of the last Knicks team to win a championship.
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I definitely agree with that
Sports history has shown us over and over that developing players wins championships better than buying them.
My only question on DWTDD as our point guard is whether it’ll be his job to run the PnR. He seemed pretty uncomfortable with that at times last year, and while he’s got a great attitude and he’s a hard worker, I think his ceiling for it is “comfort,” not “mastery.” Will he even be asked to do it, though? Or will we run it through Melo when we run it at all? I assume that if we get Crawford, he’ll do it a bit.
For that 16 game stretch at the start of D’antoni’s first year when we actually had a winning record with the Crawford/Z-Bo core, were the 2 of them PnRing? Kind of a funny thought.
by nocookiesforme on Dec 12, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
the simple fact that bibby WANTS to be here
is a great thing. he took the least amount of money for the least amount of time, and is already saying he’d be happy to cheer from the bench. how much more can you ask for?
if he can play 10-20 minutes (depending on the night, hopefully trending toward 10) and just be consistent with the open 3, not turn the ball over. we actually got a great steal.
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It's great that he wants to be here
but really, if we have to rely on him to do anything but cheer from the bench, we’re in trouble… we need one more PG
TYBG
by The Rooster on Dec 12, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
i disagree
he is not gonna turn the ball over every second time down the floor, and he’ll actually hit the open three. he’s in the roger mason role, only mason needed to get pulled instantly, bibby might be able to actually get it going on a given night and get 15+ productive minutes.
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And
If we get another point guard we have a minutes crunch with no room for Shump to develop, so I like going with this situation and reassessing later.
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solved by keeping Bibby out of the rotation...
and in this 66-game season, with six-games-in-nine-days stretches and all, means having depth is probably a good idea.
TYBG
by The Rooster on Dec 12, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
having depth is gonna be key
on the back end of some of these tough weeks. teams like the bobcats for instance, might get a few wins because they have some talented young players, but after a month of tired legs, dominic mcguire is only go do but so much for a team.
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We don't know that for sure.
It’s entirely possible that he’s washed up and done, in which case, fine! They’ll bench him, or dump him. On the other hand, he might turn out to be anywhere from marginally useful to actually productive in spurts. For a league minimum salary, I’ll take that risk. If there were anybody out there who was 26 years old, capable of running an offense, had a strong 3-point-shot, played above average defense, and was willing to sign for the kind of money we had room to spend, I’d obviously rather have those people than Mike Bibby. They don’t exist.
We have the young, upsidey guys. We can’t afford the sure things. Gambling on the crafty Vet and hoping they all balance each other out is the best we can do for now.
by nocookiesforme on Dec 12, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
I still do not understand why people overreact to signings
especially guys who sign one year min deals. Geesh Bibby will come off the bench play like 10-12 minutes a night. and basically bring the ball up get rid of it quickly, Bibby even when he was young didn’t really dribble a hole in the floor and look to spot up and hit an open shot. Bibby can actually give you good value if used correctly and he will be used correctly here. Why anyone would base their opinions on the guy given the last two offenses he was in that did not fit him at all. Bibby is not an effective player if you are going to play him 30 mins a night, but I have seen guys like him extend their careers with the right bench role.
by Robert Curre on Dec 12, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
My instinct tells me
Now that Barea’s off the table, the Knicks will wait until the end of the day today to see if Jamal takes that 2.5 million to come here. If he doesn’t grab it, the Knicks will re-up Poope, and they’ve probably asked Poope to wait until the end of the day before signing with anyone else, and, awesome guy that he is, probably said OK.
I don’t think the Knicks will risk losing Poope to the Nets for the hope of getting Crawford to sign a cheap deal. But I also think it’s possible no other contender wants to give Jamal a big contract and he just decides to take it.
We’ll know by the end of the day, I think.
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i think a lot of free agents are in a weird limbo
and once nene goes somewhere, guys will get in where they fit in. for the knicks, patience is key. if you can shawne williams you take him, because he fills a need, and he deserves the reward. jamal will see the light. even if that means he admires the knicks from afar while he struggles to get up enough shots for a defensive minded team as a superfluous teammate.
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The more I think about it
The more I like handing the reins to Toney now. Short term, Jamal would make us better as our point guard, but long term, if Toney could step up, allowing him to grow with the team would be a better bet.
So… BRING BACK POOPE immeeds.
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yea man!
also, third year is when a lot of players figure it out. that stretch at the end of the season when billups got hurt the first time (dwight howard knee to the thigh, i believe?) toney came in, started, and averaged 17 points, 7 assists, 3 boards and a couple steals. it was a six game stretch, and he had only 10 turnovers. i forget where i read that. but that’s phenomenal. and he had a bum shoulder. he’s gonna be a little smarter, a little stronger. this could be huge.
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Keep in mind
He thought he was going to get the chance to start if LeBron signed here – then we signed Felton and that might have messed with his head a bit. Then I think the Chauncey trade messed with his head again, and with the whole team’s head.
I always thought Toney could be our point guard but then I lost a bit of confidence last year in the playoffs. But I love how they are making it his job to lose now. I think he might just respond well to this.
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its not scientific
but Toney just feels like the kind of guy that will step up to the situation at hand.
last years playoffs were a joke. it was a mess of a team with injurys all around agasint a team that really had our number (also was in our head).
If Toney is given the starters job, and it looks like he has it, he will step up. Its just what he do.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
Crawford would not be playing point guard for D'Antoni
D’Antoni sees Crawford purely as a shooting guard. Now he is valuable in a back court with Douglas because he can create his own shot off the dribble and therefore is one more player that does not need an elite playmaker at the point to set him up. Crawford can also run the pick and roll which also helps Toney as TD struggled with that last year.
by Robert Curre on Dec 12, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Sign Poope, and all is well
I’d be very confident in the team, and we’d definitely have a solid bench.
JJ Barrea to the Timberwolves? Damn, I thought he’d rather go to a contender. That team is going nowhere.
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JJ has a ring
I think he wants some $$$. Good for him. The Wolves might win some games this year, you never know.
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This is his shot at big money. The team matters, but you simply cannot pass up 19 million for 2.5 just because the team is better.
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the Wolves are interesting this season
they have no center, but they have a great coach in Adelman who can probably get a lot out of Rubio and Love.
TYBG
by The Rooster on Dec 12, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Oh right
Forgot about Adelman. Should be interesting to see what their record looks like at the end of the season.
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not surpised by barea
in all the interviews i read with him, he kept saying he “just wants what he deserves”. which is almost as cocky and annoying as billups.
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Apparently he deserves the Tiberwolves
go figure
Wow
•Josh Harrellson hasn’t gotten much attention since arriving in Tarrytown, but he could see the court early on during the season for several reasons: he’s a big body at 275 pounds, he can set strong picks and dribble around the perimeter with ease and without hesitation (benefits for spacing and initiating the pick-and-roll), and he has range out to 3-point territory.
I was saying about Jorts that if he can extend his shooting range out to three, he has a future in the NBA as a power forward. I was surprised to hear about the ballhandling though.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
I remember reading in his draft report
That he’s awesome in the pick and pop, so yeah, I’m guessing his range is pretty reliable
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he sounds exactly like Turiaf, except with "range"
please please pleeease Jorts keep Jeffries glued to the bench
TYBG
by The Rooster on Dec 12, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
I do not understand why anyone would want a guy who is 275lbs running around on the perimeter when he could be banging down low but cool if you say so Fuhry
by Robert Curre on Dec 12, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Kevin Love does it
Sam Perkins did it too.
We don’t need said 275lbs man to park down low all the time anyway on offense, especially if he’s seeing some time with Bison out there
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 12, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Sam Perkins was one of the greatest perimeter shooting Big men of all time
and Last I checked Sam Was no where near 275lbs. Kevin Love does it and it is part of the reason his team kind of sucks and has trouble getting offensive rebounds even tho he is a fucking rebound machine. Don’t think we should be encouraging the boy to DWKLD.
by Robert Curre on Dec 12, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
yea, Sam was more like 295lbs
and Kevin Love is good. The Wolves suck. Also Love is their star, we have others to score and if Jorts can even do this it’d be scoring off the bench, which is a good thing.
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 12, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
if the Knicks center is out on the perimeter, the opposing center is too
Opens up the lane for everyone else
by mindfeck on Dec 12, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I would like to see that logic used with Dwight Howard.
by Robert Curre on Dec 12, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Dwight can't guard the perimeter at all
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But the magic won't put him out there
They Put the power forward on the shooting bigs
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That's kind of the point
Amare gets to face up and go to work on him with plenty of room, getting him in foul trouble. The center being out on the perimeter means the help can’t come.
TYBG
by The Rooster on Dec 12, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
When Jorts turns into Dwight...
I’ll be fine seeing him camp down low. For now, if he floats outside for the drive and kick… I’m good with it. As long as he does crash the boards when given the opp.
I think the ceiling for Jorts
is a Kurt Thomas type of player – rebounds, defends, hits open 17 footers when his man leaves to block a penetrating defender. But perhaps with more shooting range.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
Sounds good to me and I'll sign up for that immediately...
and now that you mention it, Kurt sounds like a perfect comparison both in size, skillset, demeanor maybe…
I’ll take it, especially for a mid 2nd round pick we simply bought from someone else.
plus when the shot goes up then the pork can charge the net and no one's getting in his way
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 12, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
oink oink! honk honk!
get out of the pig truck’s way!
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by ny knickerbocker on Dec 12, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
The problem with that, which is the same problem with Love by the way
is when Jorts doesn’t grab the rebound and gets beat up the floor creating mismatches which lead to easy buckets. Remember folks the Timberwolves are bad for a reason, and some of them have to do with Kevin Loves penchant for hanging around the 3pt line and then running in to the paint to stat stuff, then getting toasted going back up the floor. Not saying that Jorts shouldn’t step out on the floor and knock down the occassional jumpshot, but he needs to stay closer to the foul line so that he can be a factor on the offensive boards.
by Robert Curre on Dec 12, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
not that he should be out there all the time
but if he can hit the 3 every once in a while, it means the opposing big man has to go out there with him. which opens up the lane.
no?
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
UGH
In Berman’s column, Chandler’s quote “He can shoot as many times as he wants to. I’m going to go chase the ball.” is about Bibby, and in the ESPN NY column it’s about Melo.
by jectalo on Dec 12, 2011 11:14 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
ESPN likes to guess on things
predicting that Carmelo’s gonna chuck is a pretty educated guess.
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 12, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
So CP3 to the Clippers
Does he sign an extension there, or hit FA?
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He's picking up his one-year 2012-13 option but will wait on extending after that
apparently there are financial advantages to waiting under the new CBA
TYBG
by The Rooster on Dec 12, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
LOL Chauncey
Bobcats considering bidding on Billups. I’m sure that’s where he wants to go.
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They'd basically be calling his bluff
And then he’d have to go actually act like an asshole in the locker room. Which doesn’t even seem possible.
He wont retire
If he does, he won’t get $14M from NYK. Where else can you get $14M in three months for playing little boys game?
Jordan's a gambler
Plus, he doesn’t want Chauncey going to the Heat, which is, I think, a great fit. So yes, I think Jordan does this… Should be entertaining….
Get The Frickin' Rebound
I don't want to see this
I have no animosity toward Chauncey. I hope he ends up somewhere where he and his family can be happy. Maybe Denver will take him on.
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by knickswin on Dec 12, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Then good luck to the rest of the league
That was the risk we took when we amnestied him. He should be looking out for himself at this point.
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Playing for the Boston Bruins
Enforcer off the bench.
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theres an Orange and Blue Knicks scrimmage
sunday at 11, i plan on goin, wondering i anyone else will go. if so let me kno because i plan on getting there early and we could possibly have a P&T section. oh did i mention its free?
by blackhova on Dec 12, 2011 11:53 AM EST via mobile reply actions
they say to keep checking nyknicks.com but im going to call when i go on lunch at 1
and i’ll let yall know the wheeling and dealings
by blackhova on Dec 12, 2011 12:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Please post back here after you do, blackhova.
I think I’mma try and go to this one with a friend and I can’t really be F5’ing nyknicks.com at work. Is anyone else going? Maybe we can have a 5-minute “How you doin my Internet name is GAx” thing with fellow P&T’ers.
Did anyone go to last year’s open practice? How early did you have to go and how crowded was it?
Fish Fingers give me a break.
im a crazy excited retard who's goin totry and get there between 6 and 7
im not really a ritard so dont be scared
by blackhova on Dec 12, 2011 12:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Between 6 and 7?!?
I guess if I’m lucky enough to somehow get a couple tickets through this mysterious method on nyknicks.com…..I’ll be grabbing the upper seats. Seriously, how the heck are we supposed to get tickets? Just refresh the site every 5 minutes all week? Give me some info here Knicks website guy!
Fish Fingers give me a break.
yea i want to get there early so im atleast near the front of the line
i used to camp for sneakers so 6-7 in the morn is nothing for me. if people do come i can try and hold some spots by me, pending these tickets arent seat arranged, so we can hopefully have a P&T section and hopefully towards the floor
by blackhova on Dec 12, 2011 2:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Obviously not holding out hope
But wouldn’t it be cool if this whole tough-guy routine is just to get through waivers, and then re-up with the Knicks for the minimum? He was just settling down in NY, why would he want to uproot himself again? Probably a long shot but it’d be awfully swell.
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by Jeff W. on Dec 12, 2011 12:22 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Pretty sure
A team can’t resign a player they just amnestied. And I doubt Billups would want to come back even if he could.
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couldn't happen even if he wanted it to
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 12, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Whys that?
If he gets through waivers he’s a free agent, no?
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by Jeff W. on Dec 12, 2011 12:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I still really want one of Jamal or Davis
And I’ll be cool with any of our non big three players being let go of to make that happen
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Wut?
OFFICIAL: The Knicks have signed guard/forward Devin Green and forward/center Chris Hunter.
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That also guarantees a dynasty
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Whoops
Guess you’re quicker than the official Knicks page on Facebook. Nice!
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This whole no-news on the Shawne Williams front is really making me nervous.
Fish Fingers give me a break.
maybe he's just pooping
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 12, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
The fact that he hasn't signed with anybody yet
Is pretty comforting. He could be getting paid more than the Knicks will give him, and yet he hasn’t been signed.
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Does he have a deadline to make a decision?
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This tweet is great
Woodson controlling practice right now. He’s working w/ them on D rotations. Shumpert just went up for 1-hand dunk, got stuffed by Balkman.
this tweet is better
KBergCBS Ken Berger
Source says “looking promising” that Baron Davis gets waived and ends up w/ Knicks. Cavs haven’t made decision, though, and have til Friday.
waived not amnestied
If he’s waived, as far as I know, he becomes unrestricted. Can go wherever he wants.
Nobody's sure
But what I read a few days ago is that Davis’ people are trying to make sure he’ll be waived like Rip Hamilton so he can control his destiny.
Getting a buyout is better financially for the Cavs, because they will not have to pay him the full amount owed to him. It will not affect their cap situation, of course, but who’s going to Cleveland?
Me too
As much as I love TD, and want him to get a chance to run the team, looking at the Knicks second unit there’s not much scoring there. I rather have TD coming off the bench.
Plus, if Davis arrives I think the Knicks have no apparent holes in the team.
The bench will still need to be upgraded
We’ll be fine with our backcourt, but not so much at forward and center if we can’t sign Extra E.
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if davis gets waived/becomes free agent
he seems to be implying he’ll sign for not much, if its vet’s minimum, then we can give the whole mini-mid-level to shawne williams. add those 2 to the mix, and we got everything we need.
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Probably a very short rotation though
With Jeffries the only big man seeing time. Pringles only played 8 players with Phoenix, so that might not be such a problem.
If Davis is bought out and then waived then Gilbert saves a little dough
in a buy out you only have to pay off 60% of the guys remaining contract, amnesty means agreeing to pay at least 85% of the guys salary. Dolan I hear is a prince cause he is giving Chauncey all of his money not just 85% of it.
by Robert Curre on Dec 12, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
It all depends on how serious Gilbert is about rebuilding to get his team to the heights it was at a few years back.
He has money. The contract wasn’t so onerous that he veto’d the trade(coughSTERNISAMEGALOMANIACcough) when it happened. If he wants that money off the cap, he’ll amnesty. If he’s as petty and short-sighted as every public action of his during the last year has shown, even buying him out might not be an option if he can block Baron from helping a contender, especially one in his conference.
It just makes sense to amnesty him, though. What other contract are the Cavs saving it for? What do they realistically believe they can get out of him this year after the phantom injuries he’s suddenly having both last year and this year? But then again…we’re talking about Comic Sans Gilbert so who knows.
Fish Fingers give me a break.
pretty sure the cavs are under the cap
and you have to spend at least 46 mil. so he will not get taxed on baron. but if he falls below the cap minimum, he might have to pay too much to someone who sucks.
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That salary minimum is kind of a sham, anyways. Only like two teams last year even came close to it.
But if he’s worried about bumping into it, you can always buy him out Gilbert!
Fish Fingers give me a break.
This is bad tweet from Alan Hahn
Melo, who went down during scrimmage, is still in training room. No word, but he did walk off on his own. #Knicks #fb
https://twitter.com/#!/alanhahn/status/146296076926853120
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he's not used to all that blubber breaking his fall
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I thought that he lost the blubber
Maybe the lack of cushion is the problem.
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Update for those wondering about the Blue & Orange scrimmage this sunday
i just called to ask if people can just show up at the Garden or do we have to call for some sort of tickets and the guy didnt know (mustve been Dolan himself) so they’re going to call me back
by blackhova on Dec 12, 2011 2:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Follow-up by Hahn on Melo's injury
Melo appeared to step on Iman Shumpert’s foot while attempting to step over a screen.. Again, no official word of an injury yet. #Knicks #fb
phew
just sounds like he rolled an ankle or something. he walked off so thats good.
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