Berger: Baron Davis remains a possibility for the Knicks.
A couple factors-- the Mike Bibby signing, Mike D'Antoni's expressed confidence in Toney Douglas, Dan Gilbert reminding the world that he is a fool-- sort of eclipsed the rumors of Baron Davis getting waived by Cleveland and heading to the Knicks. Ken Berger and others just twat that Davis is still likely to be dropped (by way of the amnesty clause?) and, in that case, might be New York-bound.
Source says "looking promising" that Baron Davis gets waived and ends up w/ Knicks. Cavs haven't made decision, though, and have til Friday.
Davis has left Cleveland to have his bad back examined. Source says it will "be a while" before he plays.Davis would have to clear waivers to land with Knicks. New York over cap now, so couldn't claim him.
Hmm. A few things:
- Do not overlook the fact that Davis hasn't actually been waived yet, and would have to clear waivers to even give the Knicks the option of signing him.
- The bad back is either 1. Genuinely discouraging or 2. The kind of thing that can be cured by putting on a jersey that doesn't say "Cleveland" on the front.
- Would Davis sign for the "room" exception? He wouldn't be willing to take a veteran's minimum deal, would he?
- With Davis, the Knicks would suddenly go from having sparse point guard options to having a really weird logjam with Davis/Douglas/Bibby/Iman Shumpert.
I don't know, guys. With Bibby on board, (oh man that just gave me an idea) I'd kind of like to see that "room" exception used to bring back Shawne Williams. The depth at the 3 and 4 positions is pretty lacking. Then again, Davis is probably a more natural, useful point guard than anybody on the current roster (if healthy). Thoughts?
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Yeah...
sounds like a LOT of things have to fall into place for this to become reality… including Baron’s spine.
by Zhantee on Dec 12, 2011 2:03 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Its hard to say if and how Davis exits Cleveland
I was saying on the other thread that there’s no big benefit for Cleveland to use the amnesty on Davis, because they are so far below the cap already and are not exactly a legitimate landing spot for big name free-agent.
I would assume they just buy him out like Hamilton, in which case he becomes an unrestricted free agent (as far as I understand), similarly to Rip Hamilton’s situation.
In my opinion, if he gets 60-70 percent of the money owed to him from the Cavs, he takes the veteran minimum, and we keep the mini MLE to sign Williams.
I would obviously love this scenario. I think Davis + Chandler > Billups + Turiaf. I think its a no-brainer.
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by Jay Jordo on Dec 12, 2011 2:05 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Baron's contract
I don’t understand why he wouldn’t take the vet min as opposed to the exception—it makes ZERO difference to him. His contract—with the Cavs—is fully guaranteed and he’s getting that over the next couple of years so it doesn’t matter what we pay him. The amount we pay him counts as an offset on his contract but, to him, I can’t imagine he’d make us use our exception when the net payout is the same.
Well, if Baron Davis is willing to take the veteran's minimum
Then I wholeheartedly support the signing of Baron Davis.
Between Baron and Poop
I’d rather Baron. He’s definitely less reliable and is probably more likely to be spending time at film festivals than putting in work, but the (slight) possibility of him caring seems worth it to me. Also, with Chandler on the team, Baron would probably be less comfortable loafing around on defense, and with Amare and Melo on the team, he’d be less likely to jack up ridiculous 3’s.
but my thoughts are
baron davis would instantly catapult the knicks to a top 5 team, at least threat-wise. nobody would want to face the knicks. and we would have so much firepower and strong willed guys that we would not lose to teams that don’t match up. baron would average 11 assists a game. we’d be running 7 seconds or less. dunks, pretty passes, bully ball. bench mob.
too good to be true.
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sick
if he is made available, they will bring boom dizzle in for his swan song
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by Ray Smuckles on Dec 12, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
Ive always been a big fan of Baron
I hope we get him, but then we should have never signed Bibby
would love to get Poops back here
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by Archie Barberio on Dec 12, 2011 2:08 PM EST reply actions
I mean, if Bibby doesn't mind hardly ever playing
not a bad way to use a vet’s minimum. Good to have point guard depth.
Nothing wrong with Bibby as the 12th man
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nothing at all
and again, the compact schedule is going to make depth a prerequisite for success. even though it already is… its just accentuated.
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baron and bibby are so different
it might as well be a center and referee. bibby moves back on the depth chart even further behind douglas than he already is.
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Baron Davis would be amazing
Not so much because I think he’s still all that good, but he’s a legit starting PG, and he’d move TD back to the bench to give us some real fire power.
If the Cavs buy him out, then there’s a good chance we could get him. The Amnesty thing though requires a lot to fall into place. We’ll see what happens I guess
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Depends
Funny, before the season, I was kind of ‘meh’ about the idea of bringing Extra E back. But for some reason, I really want the Knicks to bring him back now. Perhaps it’s because I didn’t much like the idea of Extra E playing power forward with Amar’e at center. But as a piece off the bench at the 3 or 4 with Chandler in the game? Sign me up.
I am concerned that they will lose out on Extra E while waiting for the possibility that 4 things will happen :
1. Baron gets amnestied or waived
2. No one claims him
3. He signs for the Knicks for a low amount
4. He doesn’t have back and/or attitude problems.
5. His presence doesn’t affect the long term development of Toney and/or Shump.
I don’t know about giving up Extra E for the chance that all those 4 things come to fruition. I’m not saying it’s not worth it – I just don’t know. I really like where we are at right now.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
Internet rumors have an offer from the Knicks already extended to Extra E for 2/5
If that is true, then we’re waiting on him to sign the dotted line.
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I say we sign him
and then offer Baron the vets minimum if he becomes available.
Some continuity with Poope is kind of important too, and might not affect our ability to sign Davis at all.
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or 'Poope"
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still trying to figure out why everyone calls him poop...
i feel so left out :(
Last year in a game thread
a PnT regular commented about how one of the Knicks was hitting a bunch of 3s. He meant to say that the player was popping 3s, but accidentally typed that he was pooping 3s. A meme was born, and “pooping” now means to hit 3s. Shawne hits a lot of threes and has an extra “e” at the end of his first name. As a result, he is often called “poope.”
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dude is like a bad cat
always pooping in the corner, then looking like he got away with something. But everyone knows who did it
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by Ray Smuckles on Dec 12, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
this!
and this conversation is exactly why i love this blog more than anything on the Internet…
PLEASE!
and I absolutely have no doubt that his back ‘issues’ are related to the jersey he’s wearing. Its Baron Davis for chrissakes, that’s the type of shit he does.
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that was floppy artistry
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 12, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
I think Baron is a better pure point guard than Chauncey and would love him on the Knicks
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Baron loves to dish and drive
not chuck and duck. Perfect fit
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ummmm
I would really like Baron here if only for his majestic chin hairs not to mention he is better than Bibby on his worst day
but…
Baron def zones out and gets to chucking when the mood strikes him
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 12, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know
Billups has been one of the better point guards in the league for about a decade, he’s a borderline Hall of Famer who still has three good years left. But Davis is just a much better fit
by Guess Who's Back? on Dec 12, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Billups … borderline Hall of Famer
uh… no
who still has three good years left.
he hasn’t really had a good year since he played for Detroit, but ok
TYBG
That last part is especially false.
Just look at the stats. http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/billuch01.html
You're forgetting that he actively hurt his team at the end of every close game
doing the next-best thing to passing the ball directly to the opposing center on every play. Chauncey has pretty much sucked since his (very fortunate) championship season, when it matters.
TYBG
He most likely wont get in
But he’s had a good enough career where he’ll be considered. And he hasn’t had a good season since he left Detroit? His numbers were pretty damn good with Denver
by Guess Who's Back? on Dec 12, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
I dont think he would even be considered for hall of fame
For a point guard and ‘leader’ he is a very selfish player. He was great in Detroit and his first year in Denver was good but I always got the impression he was looking to pad his stats.
He was also infuriating at times last season for us with his constantly chucking bad shots early in the shot clock.
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by Ozraider on Dec 12, 2011 2:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He is a borderline hall of famer
He has the resume for sure, finals MVP, all star, all nba, all defense.
I personally don’t think he is quite a hall of fame caliber player, but he has a case. The thing with Chauncey is he is the perfect point guard to put on a good team with superstars at other positions because he is low maintenance, efficient, and can set up the offense, shoot, and play good defense.
Damn, why the hate for Chauncey?
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When you compare his numbers to other point guards in the Hall of fame yes he is a HOFER
For example Billups has scored about the same number of points as Clyde, has more assists, and more Steals. And Clyde is in the Hall of Fame. Also Billups has won a championship and was a finals MVP. Score 15,000 pts and dish out 5,000 assists and win a title and you tooo Smitty Smit if you play point guard will be a hall of famer. 15,000 pts and 5,000 assists are the standard usually for point guards, especially if you have a ring. You might have to put up bigger numbers if you have not won or played on a lot of bad teams, but that’s not Chauncey’s case. So yes Chauncey has the numbers to be a HOFer.
by Robert Curre on Dec 13, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Right, this
It is debatable whether Chauncey will actually get in the hall, but you better believe his name is going to be brought up and he will be discussed and make some ballots.
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I would be happy with Baron
Still want Shawne tho
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We all want Shawne
But let’s face it he’s a decent bench player, that’s it. Davis is someone that will put the Knicks over the top
by Guess Who's Back? on Dec 12, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Well he has the ultimate leverage.
He can just block the trade until it’s to his liking. Now maybe the Hornets are going to be left with nothing when CP3 leaves.
wow
they killed that one too? Demps is prolly gonna go postal
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Stern granted him autonomy
then shut him down. Guy’s out of control.
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Honestly hope this doesn’t fuck up Demps’ career aspirations. I think he can be a pretty good GM. Stern better hope this deal is still on the table in two weeks. Chances are he won’t be playing hardball by then. I think he’d ultimately accept this deal if it is obvious that nothing better is coming along.
At this point
I can’t help but wonder if Stern’s sabotaging the deal with the ultimate goal of contracting the Hornets
TYBG
I don't understand how sabotaging the deal helps them contract the hornets?
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by Ozraider on Dec 12, 2011 2:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Paul walks at the end of the year
Franchise doesn’t have an owner or any legitimate talent. Easy to just absorb the remaining scrubs onto someone else’s roster.
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by Ozraider on Dec 12, 2011 3:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Saw Broussard talking about that on TV
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even though they say they are losing money, the more franchises the more endorsements etc etc. they are losing money perhaps on the basketball being played on the court. i’m willing to believe that. but if they weren’t making themselves into multi-billionaires, there wouldn’t be a an nba. stern’s goals may be bigger than contraction. in our lifetime, there will be an out-of-continent team.
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Well if he goes to FA
I think there would be a good chance our guys would consider restructuring their deals to bring him in.
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by Ozraider on Dec 12, 2011 2:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i just read that Clippers and Hornets have come to agreement in regards to CP3 and I love it. Firstly, no more do we have to worry about Knicks trading the entire squad to get him, and, secondly, I love the idea of CP3, Blake, Jordan, Gordon etc. Very promising and maybe the Clippers are the future of LA and Lakers might have to take the back seat and suck for a few years. I also heard Chauncey is eying they Lakers and the author also mentioned Miami. LA would make more sense since it be closer to home and he can play pg more. Miami has a pg and then there is Lebron who likes to dominate the ball and often screws real point guards. Hope he chooses Lakers instead since Miami is my foe.
The CP3 deal with the Clippers appears dead
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Is really pushing a CP3 to the Knicks deal. Our hands have been forced, we must go out and get Chris Paul, no matter what the cost
by Guess Who's Back? on Dec 12, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
FUCK that
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Dec 12, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
this
D.T.O.T.D stands for Don't Trade Our Toney Douglas
No
I was kidding Seth. But it makes me wonder, is that Stat for CP3 deal still on the table?
by Guess Who's Back? on Dec 12, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
The hornets would not take back that huge uninsured contract
at least I do not think they would.
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by Livestrong77nyy on Dec 12, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
If the Hornets are looking to get younger and cheaper
Trading for a 29 (30?) year old Amar’e with a bad injury history and an uninsured $80 million left on his contract to send CP3 to play with Melo in the league’s biggest market…. well, that’d be a bit hypocritical
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i hope not
that would suck big time. Get a pg and lose perhaps the most dominant and explosive pf in the game right now. I would not be cool with that.
you must mean Paul for Balkman and a pretzel vendor right ? ....right?
everyone knows we have championship caliber pretzel vendors here in NY
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 12, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
oh man
i was just beginning to calm my excitement, but this is too much. baron davis would complete this team. shump and dwtdd as a defensive minded backcourt off the bench, bibby locked away in a glass box with “break only in case of emergency” written on it. def want poope back too tho…
by patrickm23 on Dec 12, 2011 2:28 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
People here complain about lack of depth at PG and F over and over again
conveniently ignoring our glaring holes at BEARD. With Ronnie Turiaf gone, Baron would absolutely fill a huge need.
by jbuckets on Dec 12, 2011 2:29 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
handsome yes
but we need some lumberjack stuff!
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you sir
have clearly been watching the wire today
ugh no
its not really all that full and thick at all. we’re talking INTIMIDATION here!
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by Ozraider on Dec 12, 2011 2:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah he rocked it at times during his Phoenix days
He’s a Jew you know, and they tend to be rather hairy people, so he had a pretty thick beard going
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if we can't do bald heads
we should do playoff beards
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Melo need to grow a beard
or something other then rim job stace
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I doubt Melo is capable of a great beard.
Nowww you guys understand my facial hair concerns now that we’re sans Ronnie.
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Wake up, guys!
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 12, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I wish that shitty stache wasn't so damned popular
Such a stupid idea. Such an awkward piece of hair when you think about it
No kidding
if you are gonna grow a stache, go all out like Tom Selleck or some shit
Dear Mr.Martin, next time try to get THREE penalties on one play.
A ZZ Top beard
May actually be a good fit for Melo come to think of it
by Guess Who's Back? on Dec 12, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
No
He needs his braids back. His strength is in his hair. Iverson cut his braids off and he hasn’t been the same since
by Guess Who's Back? on Dec 12, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
no doubt melo needs those braids back
but no one has them anymore. Its all about the shit locks
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That means Reyes will bat .150 for Miami this year lol
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Read this as
“rim job sauce”
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by Thelonious Dunk on Dec 12, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
I'm so, so sorry
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by Thelonious Dunk on Dec 12, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
Why?
D.T.O.T.D stands for Don't Trade Our Toney Douglas
wait, that was you?
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by ny knickerbocker on Dec 12, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
yo how you been, rim?!
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by Ray Smuckles on Dec 12, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
lookin like rim job sauce, how u
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by stingy d on Dec 12, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
+infinity
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someone should bring back the Scott Pollard mutton chops
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I'd like to see DWTDD go with the Walt chops
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by Ozraider on Dec 12, 2011 3:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Baron is a top five beard
If you turn a picture of his face upside down it looks like another face.
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by Thelonious Dunk on Dec 12, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Actually,
"It was one of those good, deep sleeps; you know, the ones where you wake up and a stream of drool is steadily racing down your shirt? Yes, that kind of sleep." -Landry Fields
by Thelonious Dunk on Dec 12, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
Holy shit
Thats hilarious
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by Ozraider on Dec 12, 2011 5:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yeah i wasted a good 20 minutes looking at that site
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by ny knickerbocker on Dec 12, 2011 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
Hmm
@FisolaNYDN: Down goes Melo. Carmelo injures ankle in practice. Doesn’t appear serious.
Hope it really is not that serious. Wish they said it wasn’t serious in the first sentence.
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by Livestrong77nyy on Dec 12, 2011 2:36 PM EST reply actions
CARMELO ANTHONY DIES.
It doesn’t appear serious
lol
The exact same concept. Damn fear mongering.
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by Livestrong77nyy on Dec 12, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Hahaha
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by Ozraider on Dec 12, 2011 3:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
MELO INJURED
appears to bite his lip during team lunch. doesnt appear serious.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
by gbaked on Dec 12, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Make sure it's for the vets minimum.
I don’t know if anyone noticed, but this team “depth” is entirely in it’s weak backcourt. The backup power forward, center, and SF are Jared Jeffries and Bill Walker. That’s it. Shawne Williams at 2.5 million is a great deal. Totally undervalued.
Man,
Lots of grammatical and spelling errors in that one by me. I’ll do better next time. Or at least read it once before posting. And toasting! Heh? Heh? Ammaright? Jokes!
knock it off!
but yes, you are right
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by Ray Smuckles on Dec 12, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
Landry is more of a SF then a SG
Shumpert’s also 6"6 240lbs, I think he can handle SF. We have versatility. Baron Davis is also 6"4 225lbs, so he can guard 2’s if need be.
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The thing is,
Landry is a starter. I’m talking about the bench. And while I’m unrealistically excited about Shumpert, JJordan and Jorts, it would be nice to have at least 1 reliable guy coming off the bench. Barrea would have been the perfect person. Can’t believe he took more money to play in Minnesota. He’s Puerto Rican for gods’ sake. Gray’s Papaya couldn’t offer an endorsement?
I'm not sold on Barrea
But if the T-wolves wanna toss him that much money, go right ahead
Dear Mr.Martin, next time try to get THREE penalties on one play.
bench shmench
Landry’s a starter, sure, but likely he’s the first sub. Then when he comes back in, it’d likely be for someone like Melo. So there’s your backup 3.
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i like it
the starting 2 is our backup 3. now thats depth haha
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by Ray Smuckles on Dec 12, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
I knew Nick Gray
and he was an idiot. The Barrea deal would have changed my mind about him but anyway, I think he is dead now.
The Landryman can
Imagine if we drafted Singleton
An athletic, defensive minded 3/4 to spell Carmelo and Amar’e would help solve some problems and keep both of them fresh for longer into the season.
imagine if we drafted Iman Shumpert
an athletic 1,2,3 who can spell 3 positions, possibly start at one of them in the near future and has athleticism dripping out the ass
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re: athleticism dripping out ass
he should probably do something about that. We need to preserve his athleticism. Maybe he could put a cork in there or have more iron in his diet, I don’t know.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 12, 2011 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
I've watched a lot of ACC ball over the past 5-6 years
I was always impressed when the Terps played against Singleton. Never thought much of Shump in college, but I’m sure he will put it together. For the record, I loved us taking Toney Douglas a few years ago. He could light it up in college.
UPDATE: Blue & Orange scrimmage tickets are up on nyknicks.com
the link to get tickets are on the main page, it will flash pass.
by blackhova on Dec 12, 2011 2:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I don't see it
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the ticketmaster stuff isn't really working at the moment
The ticket are free though, so that’s good. What isn’t good is that my last final just so happens to be on Monday, although 11 a.m. sounds like it could work.
i just got off the phone with the lady
and she said the tickets right now are for season ticket holders so as of right now none are available to the general public. she said possibly later on during the week there may be some available but that we’d basically have to keep trying to buy tickets from now til sunday. this sucks SheWills ass… if any season ticket holders here yall have first dibs and possibly some of us can accompany yall??
by blackhova on Dec 12, 2011 3:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ah cool thanks for the info
But she said there only MAY be some tickets available at the end of the week? They’re really expecting the season ticket holders to gobble up nearly every single ticket?
There's a lot of excitement about this team
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yebut EVERY ticket??
i doubt it, im going to F-5 til i F-off. if anyone manages to snag up some tix, some of us would like to attend. we’re nice folk and i’ll buy u a beer, maybe 3!!
by blackhova on Dec 12, 2011 3:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
WTF?
Ankle, knee, and lip in one day? Jeeze
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Davis is notorious for not being in shape
If his back is acting up then it is a good chance that he is not in shape and therefore a huge risk. Now you could take the angle that Davis is dogging it to get out of Cleveland but with his conditioning and injury history, he would scare more teams off by claiming to have a bad back. Especially given all the back to backs (no pun intended) that teams will play.
agreed
especially with the pg depth we would have. i havent thought that about NY maybe ever, but it will be huge with this compacted season
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by Ray Smuckles on Dec 12, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
If he wants to be here and there is a clear discussion of what is expected and...
(the most important part)he takes the vets minimum, I see no qualms as it would be absolutely low risk.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 12, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
If we could just sign poope I would care so much less about whether we get Jamal and/or Davis
I’m just afraid will get none of them.
I wouldn't worry about that. If you read between the lines here is what you see.
Crawford wants to come to the Knicks but he and his agent want to explore every oportunity to get him a little more money, which the Knicks do not appear opposed to provided that a sign and trade can be done that only has them giving up Balkman, Walker, or both. The fact that Crawford and his agent are working so hard means that Crawford has made up his mind. If he can’t get a sign and trade done, then he will sign for the 2.5 mil. Once Crawford is signed then Williams will be signed right after. Williams has a couple of offers on the table including one from Houston that I understand is 3 years and starts at 3 mil. The Knicks can match that offer because they hold his bird rights, but only after they sign Crawford. The fact that both players have offers on the table from other teams and have not taken them means both want to be here, but some details have to be worked out.
by Robert Curre on Dec 12, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Well analyzed
I didn’t think of the Bird rights situation for Shawne. That means they can pretty much outbid anyone.
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The Knicks have Shawne's Bird Rights?
I thought you couldn’t do that if he was a UFA?
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The Knicks don't hold Williams' bird rights
because he played less than two years for them.
Unless we use the mini-MLE, the most he can qualify for is 120 percent of his previous contract.
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by Ray Smuckles on Dec 12, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't know the status of the bird rights on Shawne
I think someone else sed he didn’t have em but if he does, you’re absolutely right we need not worry about Shawne at all. We can sign whoever without worrying completely independent of what happens with Shawne Williams cause we can go over the cap to sign him if need be.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 12, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Are you sure that's right?
That you can go over the cap to sign him to whatever? I thought if you don’t have bird rights he’s an unrestricted FA.
Interesting option if Shawne is lost
Posey just got amnestied by Indy. If he has any gas left in the tank he’d be a good SF off the bench for the Vet minimum.
He was a very real part of 2 NBA title team.
He is a very good role player for a great team; and totally useless on crappy teams.
Depth in the bigs would still be good too.
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Posey doesn't have much left. and is at the point that an injury that takes
2 days to heal now takes him a month. There is a good chance I am hearing that he will retire.
by Robert Curre on Dec 12, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
so tough to tell with Posey
He’s been on Indy so I don’t know if he’s truly fallen off or if it is just because he’s on Indy… be worth a no risk 1yr vet min to find out
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by the word on Dec 12, 2011 4:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Davis + Crawford = CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!
If we can get Crawford for the mid-level as I have been reading and Baron Davis for the minimum I think this team can win it all right now. I agree that getting Baron alone puts us in the top 4-6 teams in the NBA immediately. Extra E is a nice piece to have on the bench and hopefully he can see the value of signing with a championshio Knicks team from an endorsement standpoint over signing for a few more dollars elsewhere.
by Best Thing Going on Dec 12, 2011 3:46 PM EST reply actions
We do not have a mid level
we have the new 2.5 mil cap exception because we briefly went under the cap when we let Chauncey go. They are trying to work on a sign and trade for Crawford, but will need a 3rd team as the only assets the Knicks appear willing to put into the deal are Balkman and Walker. Finding a 3rd team that that will be willing to give up an attractive enough asset to get the hawks to agree to do the sign and trade will be tough though. But if a team under the cap is willing to give us a trade exception then we can get it done.
by Robert Curre on Dec 12, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
Tyson, amare, Melo, Crawford, baron is a good enough top five to contend for a championship. The depth won’t be great, but it’s not great now anyway.
My dream would be we pull off the toney + crap for Crawford trade and then get an amnestied baron for the minimum, but I won’t hold my breath.
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B.Davis would be incredible to have at point....when healthy.
I’m not sure how much his back is an issue though or how much injury concerns should be an issue. But when he’s healthy, he’s still a damn good starting PG. I’d acquire him if possible. If he goes down it’s not like we’d be screwed with who we have on the bench.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Well
- Would Davis sign for the “room” exception? He wouldn’t be willing to take a veteran’s minimum deal, would he?
If he gets through Amnesty….he will.
if davis theoretically was able to sign with the knicks
and he signed for the vet’s minimum. we would in turn be able to spend the full mini-midlevel on shawne williams, or jamal crawford. or any combination of those contracts exist.
basically you can always always always sign a player for the vet’s minimum to complete your roster. but there is only going to be one mini-midlevel contract avilable.
that is to the best of my kowledge. hopefully thats not confusing.
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A couple of things
- Robert Currence made a good point earlier that Extra E and Crawford probably both do want to come back, but have to weight other options. I still think Crawford is a long shot, because I’m sure he could get more money elsewhere, but the fact that he’s mentioned he wants to return to the NY area, and that Grunwald is talking about him in camp, makes it seem like there is interest.
- If Davis gets released, be it through amnesty or buyout, judging from reporters’ takes, it seems that he’ll come here. I don’t think the Knicks can offer more than the vet’s min. but I guess he’s willing to do that. Also, even if he is injured, to have him for that cheap, it’d be worth it for whenever he is healthy enough to play.
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With Bibby, I think Baron's a little extraneous at this point.
But I dunno. Back when he was motivated, Baron was one of my favorite players in the league. If he can stay healthy and happy as a clam, I’m all for it.
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by Thelonious Dunk on Dec 12, 2011 4:07 PM EST reply actions
But Jezuz!
If Baron and Shawne end up on the roster, that’s one HELL of a team. Likable (assuming Bibby’s not a goob), weirdly deep at the point and big man spots, with two all-star caliber guys?
Ohmahgawd.
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by Thelonious Dunk on Dec 12, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
Let's sign all 3
fCrawford for 2.5
Shawne & Baron for vet min
Tyson/Amare/Melo/Crawford/Baron your startera
Jeffries/Shawne/Bibby/Douglas & a lil Iman as pprimary reserves
Roll with it for a year and what stick
Funny thing is if the Crawford S&T was in any way realistic, you’d have a sluggers chance at all 3
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by the word on Dec 12, 2011 4:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Um... Landry!!!
Hello?!
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good catch... my bad, forgot him on the write up
all that for 1yr and they’d still be under the tax
If the proposed S&T to get Crawford did not have to include Balkman, it would probably be more achievable. Unless Jordan could be included with Walker & Douglas
But then, would that be too much to give up? Maybe, maybe not
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by the word on Dec 12, 2011 4:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Bibby's basically a 3pth shooter at this point
he’s not a PG or really any position, he’s just a garden gnome
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with lil David's circus in full swing
why is it I see an extended case of blue flu in CP3’s future.
Simlar to what Billups said, Jr G-Man Stern is confusing class & maturity as a sign of weakness. You just don’t treat a class act this way
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by the word on Dec 12, 2011 4:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I dont see much of a log jam
maybe were close to one but I think we just have a group of versatile players capable of playing multiple positions.
If we do pick up Davis (which I hope we do and at the minimum) we have Davis,TD and Bibby at PG, with Bibby getting minimal minutes unless he actually plays well or something. Then Fields, Bully and Iman at the 2. We don’t even need Fields and Bully at the 2 spot, we could have Fields back up Melo exclusively or Bully for that matter.
I think it’ll be Dantoni choosing the best players and finding a way to give significant minutes to the best 7 or 9 guys on the roster which is pretty much standard for him. The only difference this time around is that there is a more clearly defined margin of talent on this team and pieces that compliment each other more suitably.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 12, 2011 4:40 PM EST reply actions
Ummmm...you can Keep B Diddy
hes more than likely not in shape and his back is injured…if thats the case lets get Greg Oden too
by Joseph Lucas Deleon on Dec 12, 2011 4:59 PM EST reply actions
It is the Baron, so...
It is just as likely his back is hurt as it is he’s claiming a back injury because he is suffering from a case of Gilbert-poisoning.
He does have a history of both
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by the word on Dec 12, 2011 5:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
"- The bad back is either 1. Genuinely discouraging or 2. The kind of thing that can be cured by putting on a jersey that doesn't say "Cleveland" on the front."
I’m guessing it’s #2. I have no doubt in my mind. Baron is an incredibly gifted player who has always been on shit teams, that’s gotta be an awful career to have. I don’t think it would create a logjam at all especially with the tight season we’ll need as many point guards as we can get.
Is it possible to get both Shawne and Baron?
Because if we could get both…oh man.
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If Baron actually becomes available it's more possible to get Shawne & Baron rather than Shawne & Crawford
The 2.5 could be used for Shawne (if he’ll accept it) and Baron gets the vet min (1.4)
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Frank Isola: Hearing that a Knicks official met with Jamal Crawford today in Seattle. Want him to take 2.5 million exception 1 minute ago
Jamal tweeted yesterday he wanted to come
But not for 2.5 million
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by Ozraider on Dec 12, 2011 5:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
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Thank god, no Heat. Thats all I really wanted for Christmas.
not tough at all actually
being that he either plays for them or retire. Not much off a choice at all if he wants to continue his career
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 12, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
With Chauncey being picked up by the Clips
And the Clips signing the offer sheet to match GSW on Deandre Jordan, I thought I heard something about Mo Williams being amnestied…..
Can anyone confirm this? If it’s true, having Baron or Mo would be brilliant! Both would be great here
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An improvement definitely
If you eliminate his rookie season with Utah, where he only averaged 13 mpg, he’s averaged around 5.5 apg for his career. He was an All-Star in his first year with Cleveland. He’s a decent scorer and a really good 3-point shooter.
Also, he played well with Lebron, so he could essentially do the same with Melo, but probably be a little more of a PG. He could definitely help set up our offense, and he’s a solid defender too. He might not quite be Baron Davis, but he’s younger, a better shooter, and doesn’t have the injuries
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Basic career numbers
13.9 ppg, 44.3 FG%, 38.6 3FG%, 5 apg, 1 spg.
Also, I was a little off: he is a bit injury prone. Last year he only played about 60 games, and has had alot of seaons where he’s missed 10-20 games
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Hey isn't great the Heat are still vulnerable at C and PG?
I guess we are suppose to believe that Shane Battier and the Hamburglar are going to give them those 2 extra victories in next year’s Finals.
True, if NY could pull off Crawford/Shawne or Baron/Shawne signing, I'd give NY the edge
for this year at least. But I doubt Miami has played all their cards yet.
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Who's a 13.9/5 guy, Mo?
I never understood where the monster deal came from… even looking at his biggest best season… it was a good season but not spectacular
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He's not worthy of a monster contract
And yes, those are his career numbers.
If he were to be amnestied and clear waivers, I just think he’d be a great fit here
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Mo isn't a PG and he can't defend. He can shoot though
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by The Rooster on Dec 12, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
He can play PG
If D’Antoni is serious about running the offense through Melo, he’d be perfect for it. He had a great season doing that exact thing with Lebron James.
He’s had 3 and a half seasons (the half being this past season in Cleveland) where he’s averaged over 6 assists per game. That doesn’t happen by accident
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averaging six assists per game from the PG spot is not spectacular
it’s quite poor, actually
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by The Rooster on Dec 12, 2011 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
No it's not great, you're right
He’s not a savior, but right now he’s more likely to actually get onto the market than Davis who hasn’t been touched yet.
Also, my point was that you said he’s not a PG, but clearly he can run an offense. He’s not the best or moss efficient passer or playmaker, but he’s better than anything we have
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rather just stick with td over mo
dont want to pay that guy anything
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by Ray Smuckles on Dec 12, 2011 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
I'm starting to suspect Baron won't be an option
It makes little sense that teams put a bid on Billups… even the frikkin Clippers and the league puts pressure and threats on Billups.
I’m suspecting there’s some gamesmanship that’ll be going on with the amnestied players, almost to the point of collusion. The Littles have to fill out their roster to hit the cap minimum and I’m thinking there’s some pressure by LIttle David to bid out the choice amnestied players so they don’t go to the top teams.
Vince Carter and Richard Hamilton are different, their straight out team option buyouts so standard waiver wire rules apply there.
I think there will be a epidemic of Blue Flu going on with players this year.
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I'm hoping his back injury scares away teams that were thinking about bidding on him
hopefully he gets bought put so it doesn’t even need to come to that and he can just choose to sign with us outright
yo
im not reading much bout jamal crawford…..did we finally give up on him…hope we did dont like him for the knicks
Warkentin went to visit him in Seattle
Portland, Indiana, and Minnesota are also interested, but the Blazers and Pacers are offering one-year deals (plus the Pacers just got Mayo) and the Wolves are the Wolves
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by The Rooster on Dec 12, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
I think Crawford may have priced himself out of the market
Though I still think he can get more than $2.5m. The question I think really boils down to just how much does he want to play for NY.
So I think it’s kind of out of NY’s hands right now. Here’s the deal, do you want to play for NY or not.
He’s a gamer, he’d be a good addition to NY. He’s too small to be a SG, not really skilled to be a PG. He’s just a guard who shows up and plays.
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Yeah, he's like the prototypical sg but can handle like a pg
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If he won't take the "room" exception, do we have maybe like a "porch" exception or even a "hallway" exception to give him?
I mean, sure, he’d like a “stadium” exception – who wouldn’t? – but he needs to be reasonable. At least we’re not insulting him with a “crawlspace” extension or some such nonsense.
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We have the crawlspace exemption
But there are spiders. Difficult to attract a player when there’s spiders.
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Does anyone know when Knicks media day is?
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