Sources w/knowledge of deal say Pacers have two-year offer out to Jamal Crawford worth $10M with out to return to free agency next summer
So, Crawford would be taking quite the substantial pay cut if he chose the Knicks. Stein reports that New York hasn't given up, though.
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I thought we can still sign and trade for Mal
and come reasonably close to that $5mill
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Yes
However, any deal would start with TD and the Knicks aren’t willing to include Douglas in trade talks. Without TD involved ATL isn’t talking. It’s seems to be down to the Knicks 2.5 vs. Pacers 5.
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I think we should do that
Even if it means toney goes
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Then who's our starting PG? Jamal?
Or can we still possibly get Baron?
Yeah, Jamal
And hopefully we pick up baron or another truer pg
Between Jamal and Melo I think there would be enough ball handling and play making
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Then I am glad Grunwald is running the show and not you.
We are trying to build not re-arrange the furniture here. You don’t trade a starting point guard to get a starting shooting guard, unless you have another answer at PG. Now unless the sign and trade with ATL has Teague coming this way as part of the deal to move Douglas, then Grunwald will not entertain it. Crawford is a shooting guard. Yes he has good handles, but his ball handling skills are really for the benefit of helping him get separation from defenders in order to get shots. We have been there an done that with Jamal Crawford can play point thing already, it didn’t work then and it doesn’t work now. Lastly your point guard has to play at both ends of the floor and Douglas is a far better defender than Crawford. In fact Crawford works if you pair him with Douglas because depending on the match ups, you can use Douglas to hide Crawford on defense.
by Robert Curre on Dec 13, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I think Jamal has better pg skills than toney does though
I guess you just don’t like Jamal. To me he is a good player who would be the third or fourth best player on our team, even if he can’t exactly run point.
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Dude were you a Knicks fan back in 2005, or 2006, or 2007?
Crawford is not a point guard, we have tried him at the point more than once, dude sucked now let’s move on. You get Jamal to team with Douglas, not to replace Douglas. And believe it or not I don’t like any players I evaluate them for what they can do for my team and how they fit. I do not care if I caught Jamal in my back yard violating my dog, if he could play the point I would say put him there if he gave the Knicks the best chance to win. So when I say the dude cannot play point guard it is because I actually have seen him try to do it and fail miserably not because I have some Crawford hatred. When you don’t hug nuts you also have zero need for hatred!
by Robert Curre on Dec 13, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
you sir, know how to make a point
and an outstanding point it is.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 13, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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getting crawford so he can play pg is such a bad idea.
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by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Dec 13, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well put. Great explanation of the situation/players involved in both posts.
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by OzzyFan on Dec 13, 2011 6:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's not ideal to have Jamal run the point
But I’d rather have him do it than TD, plus we’ll have Carmelo do it too. Jamal is also just a better player than most of the guys on our team.
I mean whatever. Jamal is controversial around here i guess because we’re all traumatized by isiah. I like him because he’s talented, and I think he could be real good for us.
And maybe I am a nut hugger, but at least I pick good players rather than over glorifying any scrub who wears a Knicks jersey.
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by knickswin on Dec 13, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
who is the scrub being over-glorified in this case?
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by Ray Smuckles on Dec 13, 2011 9:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, I can’t speak for him, but we do absolutely over-value our own guys.
Right now, we are WAAAYYY overvaluing Shump. Dude has never played an NBA game and people are slotting him in to start…
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Yeah that's a good example
And the talk about taking Shawne over Crawford which is a little crazy IMO because Jamal is just a better player and it isn’t even close.
It’s just the nature of being a fan though. I live in chicago for most of the year, and when the Melo deal went down all of my non new Yorker friends were texting me to congratulate me while all my new Yorker friends were all upset over losing gallo and Mozgov lol. My very first gut reaction was to be upset even though I have been a big Melo fan since he was at cuse because I was so shocked that we were losing our entire starting line up. Got over it pretty fast when my celtics and bulls fans friends were talking about how new York is legit though, lol. You just get really attached to your guys and lose some objectivity.
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by knickswin on Dec 13, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
For sure. I’m not blaming anyone either.
You should see me with Ranger players. I get attached to them as well.
With NY teams we also have a us versus everyone mentality because other fans tend to dislike us and undervalue our players, so we beef up our homerism to counter that.
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Yea
I love all the reporters who talked about the knicks not being able to put together a good enough deal for melo are now calling Gallo and Wil the Thrill good pieces on Denver.
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Exactly.
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100% agree with you
People are still overrating the pieces we lost in that trade and the pieces we have now.
I get it, I mean i watched some old clips last night and watching gallo shoot a 3 … man, I missed it. I realized I missed that, I missed that he’d be plowing his way through every model in new york Jeter style.
Still Shawne over Crawford is a legit argument in the sense that we don’t really have a backup 4, whereas we have suitable depth at the 2. Crawford is by FAR the better player, but Shawne is arguably a bigger need.
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That’s a really fair assessment IMO.
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we don't really have depth at the two though
for all we know Iman Shumpert is not good enough to play in the NBA
and then all we really have is landry, and he’s a natural small forward who has a tough time defending guards and putting the ball on the floor
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We have better depth at the 2 than we do at the 4
Much better.
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what is our depth at the two?
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and I suppose our "depth" at the four is bad
but our starter is a top 2-5 player at his position in the league. we don’t have anyone who is really a starting caliber two
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The issue is not how good our starting 4 is
The issue is how many minutes are we going to have him play because there is no one to back him up. Push Amar’e to close to 40 minutes per game, and you really increase his risk of injury.
And Landry was starting 2 caliber in the first half of the season last year. This was Landry’s stats last year per 36 minutes, while shooting 49.7% and 39.3% for 3 point range:
Pts: 11.3
Reb: 7.4
Blk: 0.2
Stl: 1.1
Ast: 2.2
If he performs that well again over an entire season, then his numbers will be even better, and he will be all that we need at the 2.
Backing him up? Bill Walker and Shump. We’re fine at the 2.
Our needs are a PG who can run the PnR at an elite level, and forwards on the bench who can give quality minutes at the 4. The only player being discussed who can do the first is Baron Davis. The only player being discussed who can do the second is Shawne Wilson.
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landry isn't really starting caliber
he is the guy you can start when everyone else on the floor is a decent scorer. the joel anthony, deshawn stevenson, derek fisher guy. he is a bottom 10, maybe bottom five starting shooting guard when he is a starter. he is a decent hustle player who can move the ball well, but he does not really generate any offense and his shooting numbers are deceiving because he only attempts to shoot when he has plenty of time to shoot because he has a slow release and a set shot instead of a jumper. he cannot handle the rock at all which is a big weakness.
as for the back-up four, well you have jeffries who can spot some minutes there. so can carmelo (and with jamal, landry becomes a back up three which gives carmelo to play some time at the four). tyson will guard the more offensively talented fours. maybe josh harrellson or one of the scrubs at training camp will turn out. i am not worried about finding people who can replace shawne’s production. he really didn’t bring anything that’s all that hard to replace.
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Melo is not a backup for STAT
and suggesting that he is completely misses the point about risk management. Jared is not a credible backup either. And Jorts is too big and slow to rely on him in his rookie season. Low skilled big men rack up fouls very fast early in their careers, which also makes Jerome Jordon suspect on the bench.
We have no credible backup at the 4. None.
We do have a starting caliber 2 (you have yet to provide evidence that Landry is not one,) and some depth behind him at that position.
The 1, unlike the 2, is a critical need for the Knicks. As long as we run the PnR, and have our 2 scoring threats at the 3 and 4, we will need a 1 with elite playmaking skills. The only player mentioned so far that can fill that need is Baron Davis. Anyone else is just a body buying time until we do get a real PG.
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jamal is a very good play maker
not a traditional pg, but he is a play maker. so is carmelo. we are not going to be a typical d’antoni, pg-oriented team with this line-up, and D’antoni has said as much during interviews during the past week. we will get our play making out of the posts through carmelo and to a lesser extent, amare. jamal can set the offense up for us and run the break plus provide some additional play making from the wings. he would allow us to play a lot of triangle too. play making is going to have to be a full team effort this year, not just the point guard’s, and i am excited about that actually.
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this is the last thing i will say to you on the subject
because it appears that you have already made up your mind on who you do and do not value. How you can not include shumpert as a viable backup at the 2, then point to jared jeffries as a viable backup at the 4, is utterly insane.
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by Ray Smuckles on Dec 14, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
because I've seen jared jeffries play a game in the nba!
for all we know iman is the homeless man’s shannon brown!
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and yeah, that's pessimistic and I don't actually believe iman will be that bad
but we can’t put our hopes in a rookie who’s never played before. he could be total trash for all we know
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utterly insane.
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by Ray Smuckles on Dec 14, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
no i'm not insane
and please don’t tell me i’m being insane; it’s a bit insulting. i know that jared jeffries can play in the nba. he has been doing it for years. he can guard some fours, play smart help defense, and he knows mike’s offense and will set screens, move the ball, and not get in the way. he can contribute to winning.
i don’t know if iman can do that. i’ve never seen him do it. for all we know he gets on the court and is an utterly useless chicken without its head who chucks up shots outside of the flow of the offense and turns the ball over every two seconds. an anthony randolph basically. maybe he isnt, but that’s his floor. we cant just assume he is going to be a viable shooting guard, starting or back up yet. there’s no evidence for that. he could be great. that would be excellent. i’d be happy. we cant bank on that though. we need a known quantity and jamal is a known quantity.
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Bill Walker
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yeah, landry/bill walker is a horrific shooting guard rotation
especially considering they’re both really small forwards with weak handle we gotta find something better than that or get a much better point guard
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That's pure hyperbole
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i dunno man, you really think landry/bill is good enough,
championship quality? because I see carmelo, amare, and tyson, and I see a front court that can win a championship. I see our back court and it’s old-ass bibby and a bunch of players who are young and not all that talented (except maybe shumpert, but again, we’ve never seen him in an nba game).
the problem with landry and bill is neither of them are really starting caliber shooting guards. I don’t care if landry put up 10 points with good efficiency or brought down a bunch of rebounds (which were only available last year because the amare/gallo/chandler front court is horrible at rebounding whereas the tyson/amare/melo front court is very good). he cannot dribble sufficiently for a shooting guard. he cannot create his own shot. he does not have a jumper or a quick release which means he’s not a ray allen, rip hamilton type who can kill teams by running off of screens. also, he is horrible at guarding twos with any speed whatsoever. landry was really, really bad in the playoffs. he got outplayed by bill walker and roger mason. he is a niche player, but it is going to be a lot harder to allow him to have that niche when we don’t have a particularly good point guard. again, landry can technically start, but that doesn’t make him a “starter.” In the playoffs, he will almost always be worse than the opposing team’s starting two.
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I dunno if I can keep having this conversation
because to me it’s clear where our needs are, but I don’t think I can convince you. You can have the last word if it pleases you.
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We do have depth at the 2
My argument isn’t that there aren’t questions at the 2, but we do have some depth there.
Starter: Landry – he hit the wall last season, but if he bounces back and indeed improves, he’s a quality player. He did fine at the 2 last year and as a 4th or 5th player I like him.
Shumpert – Yes he’s unproven, but he’s a guy who can come in and play the 2
Toney Douglas – Bibby can come in for a few minutes or if we get a veteran pg to start, he’ll likely be our 6th man and get quite a few minutes at the 2
Bill Walker – not my favorite player, but he can take minutes at the 2 as well
Are there questions? yes. Are there plenty of ifs? yes. Those aspects are less than ideal, but we have people who can play at that position. People who can get minutes. Three of them played successful minutes for us in that position last year.
At the 4? who do we have after Amar’e? Jared Jeffries. That’s it. Maybe the extremely unproven Jorts? But if you’re worried about Shump, then Jorts isn’t exactly going to set your world on fire.
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true.. but sometimes the media is undervalueing our guys
like Gallo before. and Fields at the start of last season. I guess it’s just that we know more about these guys and what they bring to the table.
by JVGsDietCoke on Dec 13, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
There is some truth to that too
I thought gallo was underrated.
But generally talent wins in this league. Most championship teams have a lot of famous guys. Really, every team in the league probably has some pretty good guys that are under appreciated by other teams’ fans.
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i would i agree 100%
if not for Craw’s 10+ games under Mike on 2008. He and Z-bo was ballin’ then. %s was up, shot selection was good, even ball rotation was fine. yes, he wasn’t a pure point guard ala nash, but he was decent.
I think that’s what makes Craw such a polarizing figure here. We’ve seen the good and we’ve seen the bad. still don’t know if I’ll trade TD for him, i’d give up jerome jordan though.
by JVGsDietCoke on Dec 13, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
That is what I think
Isiah allowed everyone to play selfishly and stupidly, but when they play under mike and aren’t total idiots/head cases, they can be good team players. Zbo and Jamal are two guys capable of playing well in the right circumstances.
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Crawford's been known to go cold and still shoot though. It's part of his game.
11gms(out of 76) there were last year where he shot below or at .300 and took 10+shots.
I’m not saying it can’t be somewhat controlled, but making him PG is saying “you make the decisions of where the ball goes and how the plays start”. Making a player like that PG, who isn’t a star shooter or a quality passer isn’t smart. He hasn’t changed his whole career, what makes you think D’antoni is gonna change him now? Not condemning, just asking.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
I think he was fine in D'antoni's system in 2008.
He shot 43% from the field and 45% from 3pts. And i remember his shot selection was good at that time. He’s not your typical PG, yes, but with amare and melo on board i think you need a PG that doesn’t dominate the ball as much (like billups). Either shoot it or pass it. And i think that’s what Craw is.
I’d still like to see him and TD run the point. I’d give up iMan and/or Jerome Jordan for Craw.
by JVGsDietCoke on Dec 13, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
Jamal is a pretty good passer though
He will be mean in the pick and roll, and he can throw lobs and stuff. Toney can’t do that
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exactly!
and he can run the fastbreak very effectively… better than toney.
by JVGsDietCoke on Dec 13, 2011 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
Actually I heard
That the Hawks don’t want to take any contracts back. If that’s the case, they couldn’t do it even if they wanted to.
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yea i think a trade
puts them in a situation where they pay lux tax and they have never done so before.
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by redwhitblue88 on Dec 13, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
it all boils down to
a chance at a title (NYK) or getting a so-so contract (IND). The heat were able to sign vets on a minimum with aspirations of a title. While i’ definitely not comparing us to the fools in south beach, i am saying that how close we are to being that team to beat in the east, that should be the key to get him to sign. I hope he’ll see it that way and opt to sign.
by blackhova on Dec 13, 2011 2:09 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I saw something just recently about how, for the Knicks, it's between Crawford, Williams or Maurice Evans.
So, who wants to talk about that elephant-man in the room?
poop has an offer in already we're waiting on him
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 13, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
I'd gauge the Baron Davis situation then
cuz in reality we need another rock handler and also a 3/4 type dude that can shoot the 3. If its between those 3, I’d rather sign Poope and then get Baron.
What would be best is to get Crawford and Poope tho, but it doesn’t seem likely.
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I don't think we can afford Crawford and PoopE
I think we’re offering both the 2.5 mil exception.
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i think we can offer 2.5M for Craw and the vet min for PoopE.
by JVGsDietCoke on Dec 14, 2011 2:47 AM EST up reply actions
PoopE's got other offers, though. If we could sign him for the vet's min, we already would have
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Who do you want more? Baron or Jamal?
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by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 13, 2011 2:20 PM EST reply actions
I'd have to see the contracts.
Also, I’d want to know a little more about the health of Baron Davis, which I thought deserved to be emboldened.
I'd say, if you can get Jamal Crawford without trading away any players, that's the answer.
Besides that, I’d take Poope for the 2.5×2, and Davis for the Veteran’s minimum as a dude to sit there and let his back relax while trying to teach Iman Shumpert how to fully and most efficiently embarrass people with his god-given athleticism, and eventually come in healthy to contribute at point and try to prevent our guards from running their feet off by the end of this brutal season.
Then, of course, you have to ask yourself the worth of a guy who doesn’t play and only causes a distraction. How healthy is Baron Davis? Is he healthy now, ready to go? If not, can he be ready by Christmas? If his back is, in fact, fucked up, why bring him over? He’s a magnet for attention whether he’s healthy not.
Then again, would the influence of Stoudemire and Chandler, and I suppose Anthony, be enough to keep him in line no matter what? When I thought Davis was completely healthy, the obvious answer was to take a risk because the reward could be spectacular. But if he’s completely down for the count until, say, the all-star break, is it worth the first-half distraction? What if he doesn’t play at all, do you think everyone will just ignore him like they did Kelenna Azubuike? I mean, he’s Baron fucking Davis.
I don’t know. I’d say the scenario up top is my best case scenario, but Crawford will never leave $5 million on the table, and frankly I’m surprised he’s not getting more than that. But if Davis isn’t able to play decent basketball because of his back, I’d have to reevaluate.
Baron
especially because we are spending too much time focusing on Crawford and we don’t know who is gonna back up amar’e. I rather sign Shawne now then wait around for Crawford, he can get sign with Indiana this year and come here when we have the MLE next year
a healthy and fit Baron
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 13, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Baron
by a whole lot.
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by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Dec 13, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
Baron hasn't even been amnestied yet
He may not even be an option and even if he does we may get out bid.
We need to stay aggressive and I don’t think we can afford to put all our eggs in the Baron basket especially as Gilbert is likely to wait until the very last second he can to let him go as he will want to minimize the chances he is helping a ‘big market’
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by Ozraider on Dec 13, 2011 5:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i doubt we can get baron davis
but in this cash-barren environment, it makes more sense to give the money we can to shawne williams and make sure we get him. then hope davis falls thru the cracks, and into our hands.
if we can’t get davis… this one is gonna hurt some of ya’lls feeling… but go after a pass first point guard that is on the market and willing to take the vet’s min.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 13, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
So now it's up to Crawford going for the money or the title shot.
Can’t fault him for either choice.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
don't sleep on indy
now that they’ve added david west, that is a really good team. and in a shortened season, anything can happen. i know it sounds absurd, but they’re in the title hunt too. and if you throw crawford in there?
i can’t see why jamal wouldn’t sign there. unless he really expects to find a team offering more than 5 million a year for him.
by latrell chokewell on Dec 13, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
They have too many guys competing for time tho
trading for Oj Mayo and then signing Crawford is basically getting the same guy. The signed David West for 20 million and he is essentially going to take away minutes for Hansbrough who was pretty damn good for them down the stretch last season. Tyler average 19.8 pts and 8.9 rebounds per game over his last 30 games. So signing West means that Hansbrough gets less minutes. But I do agree they should be able to move up out of the 8th spot if all of their pieces are able to mesh and play well together.
by Robert Curre on Dec 13, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 13, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
Shit!!!!!
Guess i will have to live with 1000 trade for OJ mayo comments from Dizzy! Whats a cure for Cancer? Ans trade for OJ Mayo! I find it funny that the one guy not begging for him is D’Antoni and they are from the same town!
by Robert Curre on Dec 13, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
OJ thing is dead
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Dziedzic will rejoice!
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 13, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
fair enough
but i’m just gonna throw this out there: in an era where there’s only a few legitimate centers in the NBA (sidebar: we have one now! yay!), i think you could put Hansbrough there for 15 minutes a game and totally get away with it. he’s tough enough and crazy enough to do it. i think you’ll definitely see him and West on the floor at the same time.
by latrell chokewell on Dec 13, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
foster is pretty close
so i think hansbrough is gonna get some backup minutes at the 5. especially since the schedule is so compressed this year, a lot of guys are gonna get minutes, and possibly in different positions if injuries/fatigue play a big role.
by latrell chokewell on Dec 13, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
hearing minny wants him too
I don’t get it ,they literally have 4 shooting guards on the roster now. I thought Barea was a good pick up for them since now they’re down to 3 PG’s but really what’s up with this guard fixation? Especially all the guards we’re targeting? I dont get it, what’s the plan?
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 13, 2011 3:12 PM EST reply actions
they don't have one
khan is awful as their GM.
but in his defense, they should have the 3 and 4 positions set with derrick williams and love. so they might as well try a bunch of different guards and see if anything works out.
by latrell chokewell on Dec 13, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
I heard Minny
wants an off-guard that can handle the ball a bit more than the ones they have already. Jamal fits that pretty well.
That team's gonna have a 15 man rotation. I swear.
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Only 12 are active, but I get what you are saying.
I know those are the rules
But you’re only supposed to have 15 players on your team and I’m pretty sure they have 20.
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Crawford should take the money he is 31 years old which is up there for shooting guards and therefore he may not have another decent pay day coming his way. I am sure the Knicks are fine with the idea of starting Landry. He started 81 games last year and the team made the playoffs, so I am sure they believe they can survive if they have to start him this year!
he did make a boatload from his first deal with us
so its not like he was on min contracts before now.
and a title is important to lots of players. especially a generally good guy like Craw, I can see him wanting to win more then wanting to cash in.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
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its hard to walk away from that big of a difference...
If you had 2 job offers on the table, one for 50k, one for a 100k, and you thought the one for 50k had nicer people, better responsibilities in the job w.e w.e, would you take it just for that or would you like living in something better than a studio and being able to buy more than 2 drinks at the club?
I think taking into account the accomplishment of winning a title, a more apt analogy would be:
Would you go work for a international pharmaceutical company that’ll pay you pretty well to devise ever more efficient gel-caps, or go work for a small lab that’ll pay entry-level but with the potential to find a cure for Dziediczcz Syndrome?
Fish Fingers give me a break.
Terrible analogy
There’s no way we’ll ever find a cure for Dziedicz syndrome (D.S). Mayophilia and Pringlesphobia lead to a dislextic-like state. It’s irreversible man, impossible to cure.
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he's saying that having an extra 5 mil to blow is still a lot of fun
but i think i agree with your point a little, diminishing marginal utility of each dollar when you’re already a mega-millionaire. but who knows if jamal saved his money?
also, it’s a blow to the self-esteem to be dramatically underpaid, even when you’re a millionaire.
by latrell chokewell on Dec 13, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I see that, but the more you make the more you spend as well
Just because Craw has made tens of millions in his career doesn’t mean he doesn’t want more.
Maybe he does
I’m just saying your scenario doesn’t really compare, because the lifestyle difference between $50k and $100k salary is considerably different than the lifestyle difference of $2.5 mil vs. $5 mil, especially for someone who has already made several lifetime’s worth of money already. Past a certain point each additional dollar makes less of a difference. And this allows you to prioritize other things besides simply earning every last dollar possible. Maybe that’s not JC’s outlook but it’s not unheard of.
I get your point I'm just saying
you can’t judge someone elses marginal utility…he’s not only lookin out for himself, he’s got afamily he wants to see be successful too. Just a tough sell to have someone take 1/2 a paycheck to work in a different place
We all love Douglas
But Crawford and Davis are both better players than him. If I have to give up Douglas for Crawford and we sign Davis, I’m all for it
by Guess Who's Back? on Dec 13, 2011 3:22 PM EST reply actions
shortsighted
bleh
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by Ray Smuckles on Dec 13, 2011 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
Why is it short sighted though?
I don’t see toney as the future or anything like that.
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Nah man you know what I mean
It’s like blasphemy to say you’d be willing to trade toney or Landry around here sometimes
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not blasphemy at all
id certainly say TD has got more of a future than the 31 year old, chucking, folding chair on D that is jamal crawford though. Look at his stats from his first 3 years in the league: well below TD’s numbers. And a career 41% shooter who takes a high volume on a team with stat and melo already? im just not interested in a guy who should be the sixth man costing us at least one starter, and probably someone else like shawne. If he takes that 2.5/2 yr, then great. Otherwise, he’s not worth it.
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by Ray Smuckles on Dec 13, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno
I think toney has come close to peaking, and he’s probably not quite starting quality. Our future for the next few years is carmelo and amare, not our young guys.
Jamal is an incredible dribbler which allows him to do things toney can’t do. Penetrate, create his own shot, and play pick and roll. He is also a better passer who can set up an offense because he can hit entry passes and lobs. Jamal I think will be a lot more efficient playing under a coach like D’Antoni who will encourage quick decisions and ball movement rather than isiah who let him get away with his over dribbling nonsense. Jamal looked really nice under d in 2008.
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If you looked at Jamal's first 2 years alone to Tony's and forget what happens after
I take TD all day and twice on Sunday. A career 35% 3pt shooter whom I believe has peaked and a young top-shelf defender who HASN’T peaked and is healthy and a better 3 pt shooter, if that shoulder stays mended. I swear if you were looking at Craw after his 1st 2 seasons you’d be saying the same thing as their #’s are quite comparable with Tony more complete across the board when factoring you have to play both sides of the floor. Aplologies, but I think you really get a little too critical of players.
I don't think I'm too critical . . .
I know in the past few days I’ve said good things about crawford, baron, tyson, Carmelo, amare, gallo, chauncey
I just don’t think toney is the answer at point guard. It’s too much to expect him to morph into a championship starting point guard. I think if we want to really be a contender we’re going to need an upgrade.
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Championship starting point guard?
You mean like Derek Fisher?
I’d prefer an upgrade, Baron being perfect if his back hasn’t gone to shit, but I think Jamal provides the same problem as Toney: more of a combo guard than a pure point. At least there’s time for Toney to change his stripes.
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yeah but c'mon
derek fisher is one of the worst players on the lakers, and he happens to fit into what they need as a triangle off guard pretty well. they have kobe who is extremely ball dominant and then lamar can handle the rock like a guard, and then bynum and pau can create their own shots via their post games. totally different scenario. the lakers demonstrate exactly what I’m talking about. they have four really good players in kobe, pau, lamar, and bynum. that’s why i want jamal because that gives us four quality players.
i just don’t understand why we have to kid ourselves into thinking that toney, landry, iman, and mike bibby is going to cut it. it clearly isn’t. Our front office and coaching staff are aware of this which is why they’re pursuing other guards and adjusting to have as much of the offense run through our forwards as possible.
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Bynum? really?
Bynum is a crybaby bitch who can’t stay on the floor. Not to mention they can’t play Pau, Lamar, and Bynum at the same time.
Their starting lineup was fish, kobe, metta world peace, pau, and bynum or lamar depending on if bynum was hurt.
I think Toney, a quality defender and 3pt shooter, Landry, Melo, Amar’e, and Bison is arguably a better lineup.
I’m not saying it’s ideal. I’d prefer Baron Davis (if his back isn’t completely fucked), but I’m saying that having a top quality PG is not necessary to win a championship. It helps, but it’s not necessary. I think we can make a run with what we have.
I mentioned as much in the original post (the baron davis stuff). I also mentioned that the larger issue is that Baron could be an answer, but Jamal is not. He’s another combo guard. I like Jamal a lot and he’d help out our offense as a back up 2, but that’s not going to push us over the top.
Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump
It's a valid fear on TD but he still gets the benefit of the doubt
But what really bewilders me is when MDA and co want Jamal, I doubt very much their thoughts are “starting point guard”. Situational passer maybe, but Craw’s coming here to rain shots when Amar’e/Melo aren’t on the floor, if he comes here. We’re missing solid front court D and proven scoring off the bench. Craw will get plenty of minutes, but I doubt at PG. I still think TD’s the better shooter, is the better defender, whereas Craw’s a better decision maker, on the break etc. That being said, I am almost leaning towards Craw over E, if only because E really needs to be more than corner poops on O.
jamal would probably function as the point guard for us though
he can make entry passes and hit lobs which is more than toney can do. Plus he’s a very good pick and roll player (better than anyone the Knicks have had in the past two years). I think he could fill a very important niche for us.
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Maybe this is my own homerism speaking
But I think Ray Felton was becoming pretty damn good in the PnR. People have bad memories of him because his shot really fell off in late January and February because he was injured.
But when he was healthy and in full-swing of things, he was hitting Amar’e perfectly with the pass or lobs for the alley-oop. And when he didn’t pass he was nailing the J or taking it to the hoop.
Kind of an irrelevant point, I guess. Just wanted to say I don’t Crawford would be our PnR player in the last few years
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I'm not big on Ray Felton
I like his work ethic and he’s probably a better fit at the 1 than Toney, but I just don’t think he gives us that much for what he’d cost.
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Hopefully the NBA doesn't veto my sarcastic comment
only thing more overated and soft than osi umenyora is the 2011 eagles
by metseaglesknicks on Dec 13, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
Grunwald is making me miss Donnie less than I thought I would...
We’re now in a win-win situation. If nothing changes, we’ve got a great team. If we can grab Crawford or Davis for a steal, we obviously get better – but neither is worth giving up anybody other than Jeffries or Bibby. I would like to see extra E signed as soon as possible.
Me too! Such a relief to not be constantly worried that I would make better decisions than the GM
(and I would make terrible decisions)
Yeah I like Donnie, but he was a little over glorified just because he wasn't isiah
Grunwald is doing fine
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Agree Donnie was put on a pedestal somewhat
But some credit needs to be given to him for providing the building blocks for Grunwald and company to work with. I’m still trying to come to terms with the Amnesty Billups, Sign Chandler move…not in a bad way though. It was just so out of left field and ballsy…loved it.
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Does Dolan get any credit?
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Nope
Not until he publicly admits that he was an incompetent owner and that he’s learned from his mistakes.
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Donnie might have been underglorified
He did what no one before him was able to do: Manage Dolan. He didn’t succeed all of the time, but he did succeed most of the time. For that, Knicks fans should be grateful.
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hail
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hail
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hail
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 13, 2011 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
i'm his virgin sister!
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if i'm that poster Ming
i swoop in right now with a fanpost:
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by latrell chokewell on Dec 13, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
I heard a rumor he would be jumping out of a welcome back cake on opening night
And having a wwe style contract signing at half court which culminates in a chair shot to Paul Pierce.
Thats why we are saving the room exeption.
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i love the wwe reference
chair shots galore!
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Update:
Marc Berman: Told report Jamal Crawford got a two-year offer for 10 mill from Indy is overstated. 1 minute ago
It is Berman, so take it with an ocean’s worth of salt.
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 13, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It's weird though.
Berman’s been kind of on-point during this off-season. Hopefully this is true, though everyone else will still be offering more than us.
Fish Fingers give me a break.
Nope.
Remember him floating the baseless rumor that Toney Douglas’ shoulder wasn’t fully healed or ready to start the season?
Then like two days later several other writers watched Toney play and remarked on how much stronger and sharper he was because he was 100% healthy for the first time in a long time?
Sorry, but Berman will never be on point. Never, never never.
Waiting for Christmas...
by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 13, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
I actually agree with GAx
Lately he hasn’t been too bad. His articles are more or less the same as they’ve always been but I’ve found his tweets to be pretty useful and accurate recently
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Hmm, from Mike Wells
Jamal Crawford has turned down the Pacers 2 yr, $10 million down offer, according to a source
Wow
The plot thickens. He’s turned down that offer but hasn’t turned down ours…
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Probably keeping his options open
And hopes a contender offers him what the Pacers just did.
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probably, right?
there’s gotta be a good team that still has the MLE available, but i don’t want to do the legwork to figure out who that team is…
by latrell chokewell on Dec 13, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
With David West, Danny Granger, and OJ Mayo
I think they are pretty good as far as being a contender and offering a lot of money goes.
Interesting
If he is turning down that deal that really sounds like him signing with us is a really real chance at this point
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by Ozraider on Dec 13, 2011 5:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
So he turned down the offer
which (per Berman) he never received?
I turned down thousands of those. i wish I received at least one of them.
lol
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by Ozraider on Dec 13, 2011 5:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
actually
I think it was sed that Berman only reported it as being overstated not that there was actually no offer…in fairness.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 13, 2011 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe that's why. I've only been reading his tweets, and that only the ones that people post here.
I should’ve known better.
Fish Fingers give me a break.
alan hahn retweet
Jamal Crawford has turned down the Pacers 2 yr, $10 million down offer, according to a source
Also
LaMarcus Aldridge: I’m doing my best to get @Jamal Crawford to Portland Rip City. about 9 minutes ago
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Dammit. I can't wait til we get our whole, final team in to training camp.
Fish Fingers give me a break.
Agree
I’m sick of the stuffing around and we need to build chemistry
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by Ozraider on Dec 13, 2011 5:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Nets Blazers Knicks
Guessing Nets offered him most money with Blazers not far behind. Knicks can offer winning tho
Crawford has turned down the Pacers offer!
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by bluecheese999 on Dec 13, 2011 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
I'm like that too
It’s really destroying my life
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For real . . .
But I’m on winter break so it’s not like I have anything to do anyway
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Sam Amick: Source says Jamal Crawford is now considering offers from New York, Portland and Sacramento. 1 minute ago
Sacramento? Huh?
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I'm betting Portland
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 13, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
Who would have thought we'd be losing sleep over the possibility of resigning jamal crawford
But you know what, it makes it so much more fun to vie for supplemental pieces when they’re freaking supplemental, and not intended to bail out the whole franchise.
by Jackaroe on Dec 13, 2011 6:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+1000000000000000
Jesus, can you believe last offseason we were talking about bill walker starting and finally achieving his potential? It feels good to have a set team and just be filling in the holes/improving some spots
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I'm starting to get annoyed about this whole Jamal situation
We should have spent this time trying to sign Poop
Schotty go to the Dolphins
I don't think Portland can offer more tho
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He lives nearby though, so I can see why he's considering it
Nowadays everybody wanna talk, like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherfu****s act like they forgot about Dre
by King Henry the 2nd on Dec 13, 2011 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah they have some hefty contracts too
I think they might get to offer that 3 year, $9 million business though
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by Ozraider on Dec 13, 2011 6:39 PM EST via mobile reply actions
there's a video of d'antoni
that you can click on when that one ends…. he talks about shumpert at the very end… my heart stopped. now i’m salivating!
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I just felt movement.
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by Ozraider on Dec 13, 2011 8:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
cant remember the last time I was so excited over the start of a season
my anxiety level is thru the roof
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 14, 2011 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
C’mon Jamal take the exception.
C’mon Poop take the minimum.
C’mon Cleveland amnesty Baron. C’mon rest of league don’t claim Baron. C’mon Baron sign with us.
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If this all happened I think we would be legit contender for the title....
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by VicTor W on Dec 13, 2011 6:42 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I think most of the guys on that squad would be pretty rootable
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Damn Jamal, preseason starts in a few days...
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Jamal Crawford is weighing offers from Portland, Sacramento and New York, multiple sources confirm. Don’t expect a decision tonight.
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by King Henry the 2nd on Dec 13, 2011 7:21 PM EST reply actions
Not even just for our own sanity
But these FAs need to make decisions quick for themselves and their team. At first, when they said they were considering pushing back the start of camps, I was like no! But now, looking at the situation, they probably should have
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my guess
we’ll have either shawne or crawford by tomorrow evening.
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by Ray Smuckles on Dec 13, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
would suck to miss out on both.
i want nothing to do with the other fools out there… maurice evans and the like
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earl clark...
i’d take a flyer on, and reggie williams, dante cunningham and even stuckey… all young with complimentary skills sets.
that’s if we don’t get our 2.
by bucketsncents on Dec 13, 2011 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
i haven't really seen earl clark or cunningham play
reggie williams fits the system, but he’s fairly limited.
something worries me about stuckey. like he’s a dummy or something.
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short bus?
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He put one DOWN on Chris Bosh
So that’s pretty cool
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reason being
exhibitions start saturday. training camps are basically over. guys need at least a day to travel. plus a day to get all the necessary papers in order. you want at least one day to actually meet the your new teammates, and possibly get a practice in there.
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Predictions?
If it’s down to just those three teams I feel like the Knicks actually have a shot to get him for 2.5M. I don’t like Jamal’s game very much but getting him for 2.5M would be pretty damn great.
thinking about it from that list
i’m only worried about the blazers, not sure how much they r throwing at him
yea i mean
i feel like the only reason this isn’t long over and done with is the fact that other teams are offering him good money. and the knicks are nickle and diming him by comparison.
it wouldn’t have drawn out at all, if he didn’t want to play for the knicks. he would have just signed the most lucrative deal, and he’d be practicing somewhere.
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yea i agree
he may be waiting for a third team to try and sign and trade him so he can get his money and end up where he wants to be
I don't think it can work that way
If you sign a FA you cannot turn around and trade him until later in the season… this year who knows when that’ll be
Atlanta has to be involved in any S&T
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true, but..
he also might just be taking a page out of the grant hill playbook and trying to get sac to offer more money or portland to offer more years.
very valid point
if i was jamal i’d take the 1 year 2.5 and put up monster stats in mda system and get paid next year while having a title shot this year easy for me to say though
He'd probably put up better stats in Sac town
But one appeal NY offers that the other two don’t is being part of a contenting team
Plus it seems he really wants to be here
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"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
That's what this feels like...sheesh get it over with already!
Been getting that Grant Hill feeling for a while now
Portland can't offer any more doe though
only team interested that can is sac town
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 14, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
Does anyone know what the Blazers can offer?
They haven’t signed anyone to the midlevel this offseason so I assume they could/would offer that. But going forward they might want to have more flexibility with their roster and just last summer they signed Wes Matthews to a full mid level deal.
it'll take awhile for that exception to work through which is why Portland is still considering amnestying Roy
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"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
Portland is offering 2 years, 10 mil according to Crawford's agent
same as Pacers if you’re keeping up
Nowadays everybody wanna talk, like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherfu****s act like they forgot about Dre
by King Henry the 2nd on Dec 13, 2011 8:04 PM EST reply actions
poop! :(
frank isola
if jamal decides to sign with the knicks looka like shawner will sign with the nets (4mil) or the warriors
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now lets go get a goddamn snack.
looka like and shawner!?
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by JETSFANF0RLYF3 on Dec 13, 2011 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
Shakin' my dick hand?
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by Thelonious Dunk on Dec 13, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
thats a lot of money….
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Didn't the Nets waive Shawne last year?
If I were him I woudn’t wanna go back there or at least I am hoping we won’t because apparenty there is no guarantee he will sign with us even if Jamal doesn’t
As much as both/either would be nice on this team...
I don’t see either one being here and I understand.
If we cannot get Jamal we still need to find another option that gives us instant offense off the bench since TD is starting at point.
And looking at the free agent list, I’m not sure if anyone else is there.
I’m not even sure if BD right now can do it.
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by Giantssincesix on Dec 13, 2011 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
Agree, the Red Baron is such a pipe dream right now
Bad back, bad attitude. My thinking is if he’s available snatch him up for the vet min… and expect nothing from him. The whatever he delivers will be a major bonus.
Today’s Baron is not the same Baron that led the Warriors to that incredible playoff run a few years back.
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If he is the same Baron
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by Ozraider on Dec 13, 2011 10:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If he is the same Baron
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by Ozraider on Dec 13, 2011 10:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That smoked us in MSG last year I'll be happy
He was playing really well with the clips too and also with the Cavs.
He isn’t washed up but the back is a worry.
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by Ozraider on Dec 13, 2011 10:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not only did he smoke us
the way he did it!
Nailing threes and running the PnR to perfection! Pringles would jizz his pants to have that to work with.
Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump
Exactly
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I wouldn't take isola's sources to the bank
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 14, 2011 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
I think if the Knicks sign Jamal they would still need a back-up for Amar'e
I think a really good option would be to sign Leon Powe to veterans minimum
Schotty go to the Dolphins
For the vet min definitely wouldn't hurt, even if Powe was never healthy enough to play
Low risk deal, potential high reward
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"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
Yeah I figure he gets 10-12 minutes a night to spell Amar'e while doing a servicable job
Schotty go to the Dolphins
If his knees hold up he'd be excellent for that role
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"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
he is probably not going to see much minutes because of Harrelson and Jordan
and Powe would be much better than Jeffries
Schotty go to the Dolphins
I hate to break it to you but
I guarantee you Pringles has Jeffries ahead of both of them on the depth chart.
Ewww!!!
True, but then who backs up Tyson.
As the 4th big (C/PF) Jeffries is alright, but they need a legit 3rd big before him backing up Amare & Tyson.
Otherwise they will just come up short (no pun) this year.
A 2nd rounder hanging out in Europe and a 2nd round rookie are not realistic options. Without acquiring anyone, they may not have a choice in the matter.
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
Maybe we could sign Przybilla to veteran minimum also
Schotty go to the Dolphins
This is Pringles, he doesn't have backups for each position
Right now I’m guessing his plan is to rotate Amare, Chandler, and Jeffries, with Jordan only playing more than a few minutes if someone gets hurt and Jorts only playing if two people get hurt.
I’m with you though, the bench bigs are really, really weak. It’s a dangerous situation.
Chris Hunter is on the squad already if I'm not mistaken
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 14, 2011 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
Unless he just has to come to NY, I just can't see him choosing NY
NY just can’t budge on their offer without help. With a new CBA rule change they can’t even throw money at the deal because of the new “Dolan Rule”.
Even a handshake agreement to re-sign Crawford next year for the MLE is counterproductive for NY, because then that means they wouldn’t be able to add anybody else next year.
If only Cuban wasn’t being such an A-Ho and not take Billups in a S&T (yeah, gonna be spilling that milk for awhile).
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"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
lol why would he want 14 million dollars
That’s not spilled milk. You’re crying like a bitch with a skinned knee
The big stinker of the deal is NY just doesn't have enough to do a S&T
Unless they include Douglas (that NY does not want to do) and Balkman (which nobody wants). Unless a team is desperate to fill out their roster with “anyone” nobody wants Balkman this year because he brings absolutely nothing of value (sorry dude, but if Wark didn’t do the foolish contract re-negotiation a couple of years ago you’d be out of the league).
And Atlanta doesn’t want to be bothered to do a S&T because they don’t want to take any money back.
Even if a 3rd team is found that’ll take the players, NY has to give up either #1.Douglas/Walker/Jordan or #2.Douglas/Walker/Balkman or #3.Jordan/Walker/Balkman (assuming Jordan is even eligible to be traded).
And unless NY wishes to throw in some sweetner (such as a future 1st) I’m not sure any 3rd team would even be willing to be bothered with #2 or #3
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"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
That's funny, you'd think they learned their lesson with KMart
I was the biggest Nene fan at the start of his career. but he never made the effort to develop his game (picture Karl Malone… that was his potential). Then injuries started happening.
Maybe he thinks he will be “the man” now in Denver. Ironically either he got tired of waiting, asked for too much or he was just never a priority for the other teams (NJ, Ind, Hou).
Just when I thought Denver was going in the right direction (Fernandez) they do this signing.
Look out who may end up with another major league goose egg… your Brooklyn/Newark/Long Island by way of Jersey City Nyets!!!
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"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
Houston REALLY wanted him but all their plans kept getting spiked by Stern til Odom
Interesting to me as a comparison to Chandler (Nene). I’m quite happy with Chandler and the way he fills a massive need on this team.
Especially price wise.
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Absolutely especially since
Tyson, when he’s on, just makes his teammates better (Dallas last year, NOH in 2008)
Nene should be and should have been so much better than he is. He can’t blame all of it playing next to Melo & Kmart & Camby & Billups & Iverson & JR Chuck. It’s like something is just missing there.
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He is a bit of a black hole
Some of that goes on Karl though.
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Sense I get is @JCrossover wants to choose #Knicks but concerned about taking such a low salary ($2.5M) and despite $ POR/SAC don’t compare.
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by Ozraider on Dec 13, 2011 10:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The guess here is Crawford will ultimately choose Portland. Higher salary, close to his Seattle home (and family). But heart is in NYC.
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by Ozraider on Dec 13, 2011 10:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Can't blame Crawford for taking the higher offer
He’s 31 or 32, this is his last chance at a large-ish contract. If he plays good scout and accepts less this year and less next year with the promise of being taken care of later… suddenly he’s 34 and that same team suddenly won’t have that extra money to take care of him because of the luxury tax or some other excuse.
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deym.. i drafted mozgov in my fantasy draft yday
by JVGsDietCoke on Dec 13, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
Mozgov will get less minutes with Nene re-signed.
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From what I read
Karl is planning on starting Nene at the PF, Mozzie at the C.
Sure he might play a little less, but looks like he is set up to break out a bit, if he is ready!
I’d be thrilled if he does. I’ll always have a soft spot for him, and all the guys we gave up.
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Nets are so done. Failed to act quick on Nene, Dwight to LA or Dallas as a FA.
Pokhorov is a Russia gangsta who just got drive-byed.
Depends if LA hijacks the CP3 to Clip's deal and gets him
still gives them a chance – but yeah, if he really wants warm weather, he might enjoy the holy hell heat of Dallas
But they did sign Sheldon, just off the set of Big Bang Theory
Or is that a different Sheldon
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great show
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oh shit haha
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Yo
Remember when we were all pissed off that we had to throw Mozgov in the Melo deal….LOL
actually I wouldn't mind if he were still here if it could have been helped
would have been great to have him work with and learn from STAT and Chandler
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 14, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
i still think he could be decent if he learns how to play at all because he is so big and mobile
but he’s just not that great right now. I don’t normally care about +/- numbers, but I think his horrible numbers show his worth. He spent most of his time on the court running around like a chicken without its head and his game did not have the polish to be reliable at all.
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To Crawford's credit, if/when he signs with another team it'll only be after he gave NY any & every chance to sign him
In the end though I think the money will be just too much to leave on the table.
Hope it doesn’t end that way though. Crawford on the court with Melo & Amare would be very fun to watch.
Davey and the Littles can just bite it with their dilusion of competitive sham… errr competitive balance. I’d much rather watch a fun product with Melo/Amare/Crawford than watching Crawford launching up 3’s all by himself exiled in SacraSiberia.
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by blackhova on Dec 14, 2011 12:14 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Pokhorov's bark is bigger than his bite.
The presidential candidates running against him should let the Russian voters know that if today’s news is any indication, if Pokhorov can’t run a basketball team how can he run a country…..like Russia.
So…
If Porky wins the election and becomes President, would he still be allowed to be an owner of a team.
I’m being serious here.
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i love how when the knicks got rid of corey brewer “we are stupid for not being able to find a place for an athletic swingman who can play excellent D”
dallas trades him away for shit and nary a word from the media. man i hope we start off the season with a monster win against the celtics to really get the haters riled up.
So the Mavs traded Fernandez and Brewer for a "future second-rounder" to make room for Carter and West
I like how Fernandez was their hyped “steal of the draft” acquisition and of course the NY media dragged D’Antoni through the mud for not wanting Brewer.
You have to remember why basketball writers are not employed by front offices
TYBG
it’s an excellent deal for the mavs, allows them to free up cap space for next year. the real question – how the hell does corey brewer keep getting paid?
I don't know, but I'd like to hire Corey Brewer's agent
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Oh man.
The lob passes… the post-ups… the making Chauncey his victim… don’t get me too excited…
TYBG
he was pretty much why they beat the heat in one of their games last year
unless his back injury is very serious, he can still ball for real
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