Gasol and Nene signed for less than expected
by mindfeck on Dec 14, 2011 9:49 AM EST
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PrintThe good news: The Nets are totally screwed so there's some easy wins. I can't imagine Dwight Howard wanting to go to a team with just Deron Williams and a bunch of 9th men.
The bad news: It looks like Memphis and Denver will still be forces to be reckoned with. It seems the Knicks overpaid, but that's what often is required to get a guy away from a championship team. Damn the Golden State Warriors for driving up the prices on centers. $11 million for DeAndre Jordan too? Come on.
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The Nets are better off waiting for Howard than signing Nene
I wouldn’t say they’re screwed. I think Howard would be psyched to play in Brooklyn with Deron and 3 guys off the street.
I mean, the Nets already have an offensively gifted but rebound/defense deficient center in Brook Lopez. Don’t see how Nene does anything there but create a logjam.
Any team with Deron Williams on it is not going to be an ‘easy win’. Though, you can rely on Brook Lopez to wilt down the stretch.
What’s with all these complaints about the price of centers? It’s called supply and demand. Most teams don’t have enough size at the 5 and that’s why they have to pay a lot to outbid other teams. As for the DeAndre offer, it’s really the system of restricted free agency that drove up his price. I’m surprised the owners didn’t push to eliminate that in the new CBA.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
but
if they have dwight, odds are they wont have lopez.
are they in BK this year or next?
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
Tyson Chandler signed for the about the same as Nene and Gasol
Gasol was restricted. No one expected Tyson to make as much as Nene and Gasol. The Warriors drove up the price for Tyson and DeAndre.
Nene is better than Brook Lopez, and adds an asset to the team. Obviously Brook has experience playing with another 7 footer and they had success.
The Nets would have to trade Brook Lopez and every draft pick for the next few years to get Dwight Howard.
Tyson was absolutely expected to get the same.
Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump
But Tyson...
Is Expected to perform WAAAAAYYYYY better than Nene.
Nene is smaller and way less dominant
If I can make it there, I'll make it anywhere...It's up to you, New York, New York!!!!
less dominant... on the d end
While I’d rather have Tyson than Nene on this team, Nene is much better on the offensive end than TC
Gasol got max money
and I’d rather have Chandler over Nene.
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same
nene, IMO, is not one that is willing to give up offensive touches just to play defense. Now i believe we could have gotten chandler for less but ……whatever.
by SLAUGHTERHOUSE on Dec 14, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
I would rather have Chandler over Both
for this team. If we didnt have STAT, I would prob prefer Gasol.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
Gasol could only be offered $55mil by other teams with I think 4.5% raises
he got $57.7 in Memphis.
I really don’t care about the money anyway. Once we got past $5 or $6mil/year over a number of years, we’re basically out of the free agency stuff. So why not get a player like CHandler?
He’s everything this team needs. He’s basically the same player as Nene, tho Nene has a bit more diversity on O but his defense and rebounding don’t even come close to Chandler’s. Gasol’s even better on offense…but again, defensively Chandler’s more then a few steps above.
We paid basically market price for a solid center this offseason. Really when thinking of the top 5 centers in the league, Gasol, Nene and Chandler are right up there. And thinking about what the Knicks need….defense, rebounding and athleticism out of the center position he’s got it in leaps and bounds over the other two, save for athleticism over Nene (I’d say Chandler’s still the better athlete tho).
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 14, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Any metric shows Tyson Chandler is less valuable overall
And plays fewer games and minutes. I think the Knicks overpaid because of the Warriors’ insanity.
Like the other two, Chandler had his best season last season
The Mavs have been close to the championship before with similar teams. Nene was the star of the Nuggets so no comparison.
Nene was the start of the Nuggets?
and Chandler’s had much, much better seasons earlier in his career.
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 14, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
after they traded Melo he was
2012 New York Mets, World Series Champions!
at least he was the longest tenured Nugget
bout it.
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*star
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 14, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
those metrics mean shit
due to the fact he doesn’t score and he only played less minutes cuz the Mavs could do such a thing given their depth. Nothing to do with Chandler’s endurance or foul trouble.
His rebounding alone is much, much better then Nene’s or Gasol’s. His man defense, his help defense…not even remotely close in Tyson’s favor.
For real, defense and rebounding. Why anyone is even fighting that this dude doesn’t fit what the Knicks need to a T is baffling.
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 14, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
And his offense is much much worse
Even if he fits the Knicks better, he’s still not worth as much. Nene is a team’s best or second best player. His offensive ability is near the top for centers.
have you ever seen Nene play?
he’s the same thing as Chandler on offense, save for a 15fter every now and then. Nene was only his team’s 2nd best player when Melo and Billups were traded anyway.
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 14, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
That is completely not true
Nene gets inside much more often, gets to the line more often. Chandler actually shoots a much higher percentage of his shots as jump shots.
I think you're mixing the two up.
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 14, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
you can look up the numbers
Sorry your world is so confused. If you watched Nene you’d know he usually gets the ball about 10 feet out and dribbles in for a layup or dunk. Since he has offensive moves fewer of his shots are assisted, and he can pass the ball out if needed.
good for him.
I stated that his game’s a bit more diverse on offense. And really…I don’t care. His game is a whole lot less diverse on defense and the glass…so let him dribble more and have less of his points assisted.
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 14, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
Knicks have Melo and Amare
they need the extra D, not O
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it would be foolish to think they don't need more offense
I agree, the center position is not where you look for it, but to think the team can get by with Melo and Amare as the lone volume scorers, this team ain’t going very far.
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Your logic is how a team that needs three point shooting decides to pay a specialist 5 million a year
And then realizes his other deficiencies don’t help the team
Chandler's deficiency is shooting, that's it
he’s a center, so not worried about it.
He’s not a one dimensional player anyway, so your attempt at trying to disprove the logic if a complete failure.
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 14, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
PASSING?
a center…passing. Oh jeez, yea that’s terrible. Dude’s 7"1, as soon as he gets the rock he shouldn’t be passing.
If a defensive specialist was all about defense, rebounding and finishing…then he’s a defensive specialist.
Joel Anthony is a defensive specialist. Tyson Chandler is much, much different and much, much better.
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 14, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
except that you're comparing the benefits of a 3-point specialist
with the benefits of having arguably the second best defensive center in the game, the biggest hole this team had
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Any metric?
Both PER and WS/48 prefer Chandler. Chander led the league in TS%, 10 points higher than Gasol.
Hell, last year Marc Gasol averaged a whopping 7.9 rebouds/36. Tyson Chandler? 12.1 reb/36. That is a HUGE difference in Chandler’s favor. Huge.
Can you name even one metric that doesn’t favor Chandler?
Nene and Chandler are not comparable players
Nene is 6’10" PF/C whose skill set = poor man’s Amar’e Stoudemire.
Chandler is a full 7’1" and was was 3rd in DPOY voting last year.
Nene's 6'9" if you're generous and he can't rebound
Yeah, I don’t see the arguments for Nene over Chandler, everyone’s forgetting how good Chandler was as a Hornet. Since leaving the Bulls he’s been consistently great when healthy
TYBG
and it should be added
that Nene’s injury history is worse than Chandler’s
TYBG
by The Rooster on Dec 14, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you
I don’t know why NO ONE mentions this.
Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump
Carmelo is better at rebounding than Nene. We talking about a center who averaged something like 4 rebounds per game. That’s like JJ who didn’t play the minutes for us that Nene got in Denver.
Just to put this in perspective
You know how everyone goes crazy over Amare’s “poor” rebounding? He avg’s twice what Nene rebounds.
Fish Fingers give me a break.
Translated for the statistically impaired
Tyson Goooood. Nene. No no. The whole idea of this fanpost. gack
Memphis would have matched any offer we made Gasol
Houston offered him the maximum contract allowed and Memphis matched. I don’t see the point of debating this. We signed a center who was actually available before anyone else could, why bother offering a contract to Gasol just to tie up funds for a few days
TYBG
by The Rooster on Dec 14, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Tyson makes more sense for Knicks than Gasol
we got a big who can run the floor and is athletic. Gasol is not the type I could see doing that and fitting well with Stat.
Denver a force to be reckoned with??
Mozgov
Nene
Gallinari
Ty Lawson
Afflalo
thats a 45 win team…please.
Gallo could win 45 games all by himself!
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
They have the same team as last year with no one leaving except two guys who didn't do much for them
Andre Miller>Felton
Plus Faried, Corey Brewer, and Rudy Fernandez
Why should Andre be better than Felton? Statistically their is no difference, except for age.
Plus Renaldo Balkman, Thabo Sefolosha and Rudy Fernandez….yawn.
P.S. “same team as last year?” you forgot about Kenyon Martin and Wilson chandler and JR smith.
No I was referring to Wilson Chandler and JR Smith
Forgot about Kenyon because he’s not needed.
Balkman is on the Knicks. Thabo has never been on the Nuggets. Birdman is great.
last year they win 50 games...some nitrous that was produced after the melo trade distraction had been lifted
they wont start off the season that way. If nene is ur powerfoward, their center corps looks weak. Gallo is still gallo. Afflalo is just 3 pt shooter and good defender. Ty lawson is a midget at the end of the day and Nene is nene. thats ballclub with a winning percentage of between 50-60 percent
I don't get the fuss about Nene much
The guy plays center yet Melo averaged more rebounds than him. He can score around the basket and throws it down with power but I don’t think he is all that. He didn’t make no sense if went to the Nets and I don’t know what they were gonna do with him since they already got that idiot, Brick Lopez. That shows how lowly the Nets are and that FO has no idea wht it’s doing. They would be moving to brooklyn(it’s been 10 years now) without Derron Williams if he were not kidnapped last year.
If you wanna talk about overpaying...
Hows about the Warriors signing Kwame Brown for $7mil for one year??
Hey, wasn’t this CBA about reigning in salaries and owners learning from their Eddy Curry mistakes?? Sheeittt that didn’t even last two weeks.
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by Chris Child's Fist on Dec 14, 2011 3:57 PM EST reply actions
but you know, it's the players fault of course....
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by Chris Child's Fist on Dec 14, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
This is just crazy, I can't even believe this is a discussion.
1: Tyson Chandler was the best fit for the knicks’ needs hands down. One of the best defensive centers in the league, one of the best rebounding centers in the league, and an above average offensive center in the league. What more could you have asked for? Especially considering our defensive and rebounding needs at the position.
2. Nene is somewhat of a 1-trick pony at C. Can he score? Sure. But the other "2 most important things a center does he isn’t great at: Averagish boarder for a center and an averagish defender(I’m being generous I think). Nene belongs at PF a lot more then he does at center. Chandler is much better and more impactful C then Nene.
3. Gasol got a max contract. Enough said.
There are a number of overpaid players out there more then Chandler is without question(who will arguably earn his contract for this team if healthy), and you strategically point out a player on the knicks roster. Are you the Devil’s advocate or something?
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
If we'd signed Nene everyone would bitch about not signing Chandler
TYBG
by The Rooster on Dec 15, 2011 4:39 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
correct.
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Dec 15, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
At some point, I think we should be able to agree that the Knicks did what they had to do to secure a top level center
Marc Gasol was a longshot to go anywhere but Memphis. DeAndre Jordan was a longshot to leave Los Angeles.
But it should be pretty clear that the two best centers on the market were Tyson Chandler and Nene Hilario. Signing EITHER of these guys is a win for the Knicks. Both certainly have their flaws and BOTH were due to be overpaid.
In the end, the Knicks added arguably the best center on the market. Which, I might add is kinda un-Knick like in a way. Usually we find ways the fuck things up. In this case, we made the right choice.
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by Chris Child's Fist on Dec 15, 2011 10:12 AM EST reply actions
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