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Knicks Free Agency Update: Waiting on Shawne Williams, Baron Davis

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The Knicks' free agent pursuits probably won't end today, but there is a decent chance that they make some progress and fill another seat on the bench. Target number one, Shawne Williams, is reportedly deciding between the Knicks and the Nets. New York, as expected, is now offering their "room" exception for $5 million over two years. Unfortunately, the Nets have a bit more to dangle. From Marce Berman:

However, Williams appeared to be more intrigued last night by a bid from the Nets, who are under the salary cap and could pay him more than the Knicks. The Nets could also make Williams their starting small forward.

Williams’ agent, Happy Walters, denied an ESPN 1050 report that Williams agreed to terms with the Nets, saying he was still "undecided’’ and the decision would be made today.

So, the Nets should have the edge in dollars and minutes, while the Knicks must be somewhat appealing because they're familiar and likely to be the better of the two teams. They're also pretty shallow behind Amar'e Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony, so there is a clear rotation spot for Shawne. Without Extra E, the first guy off the bench who makes sense as a swing three-four is Jared Jeffries...which just doesn't make sense. Particularly when presented with the (unsurprising) notion that Stoudemire will sit some games out this season, I see plenty of room for poopin'.

Williams likely heard all of the above from Allan Houston, who took him out to dinner last night. So, as was said regarding Jamal Crawford, if the Knicks lose out on Shawne Williams, it will be for lack of funds, not lack of effort. And on that note: Please come back to us, Shawne. We love you so. (Incidentally, this seems like a chance for Houston to prove his worth as an executive, no?)

Free agency target number two is Baron Davis, and that's a chronological ranking, not an assumption that he's any less of a priority than Williams. Davis was amnestied by the Cavaliers last night, and therefore has until Friday night to clear waivers. If he does, the Knicks will offer him a contract at the veteran's minimum which, based on reports from the last week or so, he'd probably accept. Alternatively, if Extra E heads to the Nets and the Knicks don't agree with somebody else, (Maurice Evans, for instance) Davis could get offered the "room" (not a room, THE room).

Unless somebody's deliberately releasing misinformation about his back injury, (which is possible, but not my sense of the matter) Davis would miss the first couple months of the season. At the veteran's minimum, signing and stashing Davis wouldn't bug me. At $5 million over two years, I'd prefer they get somebody ready to play a full season. But that's just me (based on my third-hand evaluation of Davis's prognosis).

Alane Hahn's under the impression (same link as before) that Williams will make a decision this morning. The stuff with Davis should be settled by the weekend. All told, the Knicks could have a complete roster by the time the first preseason game against the Nets tips off on Saturday afternoon. Until then, all we can do is hope and pray and make offerings to the Poop Gods (Flush some dollar bills down the toilet as a symbolic act of devotion to Shawne. If he's willing to take less money so he can remain a Knick, then we should be, too). I'll update when there are updates to be made, y'all.

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I read this while on the bowl. That has to be a good omen, right?

I'm sailing on a cloud, they're trailing below/ My shrink told me it's a feeling they'll never know

by PJCarlisimo's Neck on Dec 15, 2011 9:02 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

SHIT

Andy Rautins for mayor... or at least 12th man

by Jay Jordo on Dec 15, 2011 9:09 AM EST reply actions  

i flushed 2.5 dollars down the toilet this morning

i will do another 2.5 tomorrow if he signs

by blackhova on Dec 15, 2011 9:09 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

I had 3 eggs instead of two this morning in honor of extra E

and in an hour or two I’ll attempt to slide out an extra poop

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Dec 15, 2011 9:15 AM EST reply actions  

I dunno if I'm the minority

But I’m not a fan of having BD here.

My Wife is a Patriot's fan...

by Giantssincesix on Dec 15, 2011 9:16 AM EST reply actions  

If it's for the veteran minimum

There would be no risk so even the slight possibility that he will be motivated makes it worth it.

by ibnyc on Dec 15, 2011 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I could see him being a little hurte

by the D’antoni “grovelling” article. But you know Shawne, its just coach being coach. Your teammates want you back and Bill Walker is talkin shit about you

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Dec 15, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

It could be posturing of some sort, too

but come on man, Jamal Crawford gave the Knicks a lot more than you did, respect where it’s due. It’s not like we were wining and dining Reggie Williams or Jason Kapono instead of E

TYBG

by The Rooster on Dec 15, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

How much more is jersey offering?

Hahn has been saying all along that E wants to sign with ny and is just waiting for the offer. Hope he hasn’t changed his mind.

COME ON EEEEEEEEE.

by Jackaroe on Dec 15, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

roster spots update on jerome jordan?

hope we get shawne. he’s a valuable piece to this roster. any update on jerome jordan. hoping he can imprerss. with the 2 of them we have 13 roster spots, right, which still leaves 2 open for another pg/sg down the road.

by knicks613 on Dec 15, 2011 9:34 AM EST reply actions  

Last we heard about Jordan was that they were working out visa issues.

I think the assumption is that he’ll sign eventually. It’s probably too late for him to get into the rotation by the time the season starts,t hough.

by Seth on Dec 15, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Can someone explain why Jordan needs a visa

given that he has a green card? Which is Orange by the way, I never understood why they call them green cards!

by Robert Curre on Dec 15, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

is the room exception the same aswhat use to be called the mid level exception

by CarneyMan32 on Dec 15, 2011 9:37 AM EST reply actions  

No

It’s a “mini mid-level”, and worth half as much per season. The Knicks don’t have their mid-level available this year.

by Seth on Dec 15, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

i really cant see any reason to sign BD for more then the min

whatever we pay him is just less money that the cavs pay him. So its not going to change his bottom line.

Now, offering 2 years… thats a different story.

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/

by gbaked on Dec 15, 2011 9:39 AM EST reply actions  

If we got BD, the money we give him would be in addition to the money he gets from Cleveland

It would only be less money that the cavs pay him if a team that is under the cap bids on him by Friday.

by ibnyc on Dec 15, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I see what you did there

Love the Extra E’s you added to the writers’ names, Seth.

By the way, isn’t the Nets game on Saturday afternoon?

I'm the fan formerly known as Serious Garbage Time

by Bernard King's Game Face on Dec 15, 2011 9:42 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

wow i didnt even notice the extra E's

i feel like i’ve been slapped 7 different was and then asked if i was fighting an octopus

by blackhova on Dec 15, 2011 9:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

couldn't blame poop...

if he went to brooklyn for money and a chance for a starting gig. he’s 25 and talented and deserves a chance to really prove his worth after his previous years of self-imposed constipation .

now if he does take his pooping ways cross town, and we do give a vet min to baron… i think we do need a stretch 3/4 who can score at least a little.

and i still like earl clark and his size and upside. otherwise, we’ll be scraping up d-league re-tread.

by bucketsncents on Dec 15, 2011 9:56 AM EST reply actions  

I'm worried/surprised/concerned

That we couldnt sign Shawne last night. We can’t make our offer better than 2.5m so the hold up makes me think he’s waiting on NJ to up their offer.

by ibnyc on Dec 15, 2011 10:08 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah

I’m hoping so hard that Shawne comes back, but I’m not expecting him to anymore.

by Seth on Dec 15, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

To change the topic..

Peja Stojacovic (great 3 point shooter) and Earl Clark (think bigger and more aggressive Anthony Randolph) are UFAs. Both would sign for vet. min.

by YIK on Dec 15, 2011 10:14 AM EST reply actions  

on that note, if shawne doesn't resign,

are there any wing players worth giving the mini exception to? we seriously need some wing depth on this team.

by Fabfreebird on Dec 15, 2011 10:20 AM EST reply actions  

Mustafa Shakur!

Ish Smith also seems like a wothy candidate.

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by Lord Smackington on Dec 15, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

can't believe i'm going to say this...

yi jianlin? i know i know… but he’s a stretch shooter with size and youth.

peja is mildly tempting… as is dante cunningham, dujuan summers, al thornton and… ahem… michael redd?

by bucketsncents on Dec 15, 2011 10:24 AM EST reply actions  

I have not heard of a single team discussing Redd…. I forgot about him too!

Andy Rautins for mayor... or at least 12th man

by Jay Jordo on Dec 15, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Redd is probably an excellent risk to take

Can’t see why the guy couldn’t still contribute.

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Dec 15, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

What’s the deal with him right now?

Andy Rautins for mayor... or at least 12th man

by Jay Jordo on Dec 15, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

who cares...

In the last 2 season he’s played in 28 games making 12 starts averaging 8.15 ppg he’s done. He cant stay healthy I mean if it was for a vet min I’d take the risk other than that I’m not touching this guy.

ELIte

by colinlovestheknicks on Dec 15, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Thank you Los Angeles Clippers...

for making the Knicks look like they didn’t overpay for Carmelo Anthony.

Clippers package for Paul:
A top 5 shooting guard
A 28 year old starting center
21 year old SF who will probably develop to be no worse than Wilson chandler
And a first round pick that has a realistic chance of turning into a franchise player

vs.

Knicks package for Melo PLUS Billups:
2 slightly above average SFs
A 24 year old back-up center
2nd tier PG
A lanky forward destined to average 10mpg
Likely a 25-30 pick 2014 first rounder
a second round pick….

In turn Billups+ Ronny + Rautins + a second rounder turns into Tyson Chandler

Who robbed who again?

by bababooey2 on Dec 15, 2011 10:29 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah that package was absurd

Think of what New Orleans is going to get with that sure fire lottery pick AND their potential lottery pick in one of the deeper/better drafts in the last decade. They will definitely contend in the near future.

by Terps12 on Dec 15, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Drummond/Kendall Marshall

Combo would be a possibility. Combine that with Aminu and Gordon.

by Terps12 on Dec 15, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

All this fuss would make sense if people were going after the best winner

Can’t really get it up like you guys do, for guys who haven’t won shit and may never win. Go gaga and trade half your team for a guy who has proven he can lead a team to titles and I might be with all the nut hugging. But guys who don’t win jack and blame their teammates when they don’t, who talk more about their “Brand” then actually working on their games. Eh? Not really with it.

by Robert Curre on Dec 15, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I've never seen CP3 do what Melo did against the Celts in the playoff last year

The Melo hate around here is ridiculous Melo is at least equal to Chris Paul.

Look over in the corner, It's a bird, It's a plane, it's PoopErman!!

ONE NATION UNDER AL
Respect the reputation or it's an altercation.

by Ozraider on Dec 15, 2011 7:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Great point guards are overrated.

Read this article.

http://basketball.realgm.com/article/217220/Overvaluing_Point_Guard_Play_Hits_Apex_With_Vetoed_Trade

P.S Carmelo Anthony is not an inefficient volume scorer. He is an efficient volume scorer more versatile offensively than either Dwayne Wade, Lebrick and KD.

by bababooey2 on Dec 16, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

PGs > Chuckers

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Dec 16, 2011 9:03 AM EST up reply actions  

it feels pretty good to not hear rumors of another star coming instead we are looking to build around our 2 (and a half?) stars we already have to make a push.

"As much as I respect and admire Bill Belichick, I came here to kick his a**, and that’s the truth." - Rex Ryan

now lets go get a goddamn snack.

by JETSFANF0RLYF3 on Dec 15, 2011 10:38 AM EST reply actions  

I have to say...

I don’t comment much on PT, but I will say this is one of the best sites (besides Gang Green Nation) that I have come to love and appreciate. You guys know your stuff, are very intuitive, and are just down right funny. Seth is the best. I definitely wish this site the best in everything yall do…

(Yikes… should this be some type of Fan Appreciation Post?)

Grace and Peace peoples.

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Being that I'm Nigerian, being a Jets' Fan only comes natural... it's all about that old Green and White.
You see, it's not about how you won the game, it's about how you played the game.... there's a difference. If you don't understand this, then you're losing big time.

by King A! on Dec 15, 2011 11:06 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

so peja and redd? (sigh)

"As much as I respect and admire Bill Belichick, I came here to kick his a**, and that’s the truth." - Rex Ryan

now lets go get a goddamn snack.

by JETSFANF0RLYF3 on Dec 15, 2011 11:26 AM EST reply actions  

I don't know if he can help us, but this is intriguing

http://www.ridiculousupside.com/2011/10/7/2470765/anthony-mason-jr-nba-img-academies

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by Russ on Dec 15, 2011 11:29 AM EST reply actions  

idk

I’d love to have him for nostalgia alone but he never really blew me away even while at St Johns, but I’d sooner give him a minimum contract than Redd or Peja. Not because they are old, but because they’re old and haven’t done ish in a loooooong time.

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by Lord Smackington on Dec 15, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

SHAWNE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I’m anticipating iRepShawneWill3’s response.

Stainer of mountaintops.

by Chairman Meow on Dec 15, 2011 11:34 AM EST reply actions  

Suicide watch

Or converting to being a Nets fan… Same difference?

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Dec 15, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Clips Nation is kind of silly

They think Paul/Griffin is “absolutely better” than Melo/Amar’e.

Except for the fact that Melo is a dynamic scorer and Griffin, who is a great dunker and so far not much else, is going to have to work to get into Amar’e’s league.

by Branta on Dec 15, 2011 11:36 AM EST reply actions  

To tell you the truth

I was never that crazy about Shawne. Actually, I didn’t see him as having a place here but once Turiaf exited, I did want him back.

I’m very annoyed at the Knicks stealing all our Williamses, and I think the continuity would have helped the Knicks but

a) I don’t blame Shawne for getting pissy about the Knicks making him wait while they courted Jamal, after he expressed such loyalty at the end of the season last year

b) He’s not, I don’t think, actually all that great a player.

c) If the Nets get two more Williamses, they could field an All-Williams starting 5. That would be extremely amazing and would probably be enough to convince Williamsburg residents to convert to being Brooklyn Nets fans.

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Dec 15, 2011 11:36 AM EST reply actions  

I did see this coming…. Do you blame him? Knicks did offend him I am sure

Andy Rautins for mayor... or at least 12th man

by Jay Jordo on Dec 15, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

we need to be playing moneyball right now since as our funds are limited

Funds should be used wisely.

aint a lot of options for us but I’d rather not spend any money at all than to spend it just to spend it.

If we can’t get Shawne and there aren’t any productive PG’s that fit our needs I’d say hold on to the cash in case of emergency. Someone may go down and we might need it.

I found Carmen SanDiego! Guess Where? Go Ahead...That's Right..SanDiego.
www.indiscriminateswag.blogspot.com

by Lord Smackington on Dec 15, 2011 11:40 AM EST reply actions  

Dolan trying to screw us again - no Knicks on TV

After jacking up ticket prices, now Dolan is threatening to take televised Knicks games away from millions of New Yorkers. Dolan is demanding that he/the MSG channel get paid DOUBLE for airing Knicks games. Double.

How about instead of that he saves some money by renting out the Beacon Theater for profit to a good band instead of using it as his own personal stink up the joint concert hall.

by nynobis on Dec 15, 2011 11:58 AM EST reply actions  

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