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Good day, cellists! You're all looking splendid this morning. Except for you. You still have a little toothpaste in the corner of your mouth? Do you not look in the mirror before you leave the house? Good grief.

Take the jump for links.

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- Sheep frogs! They don't look shit like sheeps (they kind of look like tiny pork chops? Maybe I should eat breakfast.), but they do make sounds like them!

- Now that the Jamal Crawford/Shawne Williams situation has been bungled, the Knicks need to look elsewhere for help. Steve Adamek argues that they need another shooter, and I agree. Then I think about frontcourt depth and see Ziller's list of remaining free agents-- including guys Leon Powe and Joey Dorsey-- and think that's a void that could be pretty easily filled. And there's always the weakness at point guard, which I'm gradually deluding myself into not worrying about. Point is: the Knicks need another guy or two.

- Our friend Jonathan Fishner, who rightfully chides the Knicks for the aforementioned bungling, casts his vote for power forward depth first and foremost. At the moment, I agree.

- Donnie Walsh, who I hope is delighting in all the free time he's got, is pretty thrilled with the Tyson Chandler deal, which totally validates all the feelings I've had over the last week.

- Also enjoying Chandler's company is Jerome Jordan, who finally got to practice yesterday and has much to learn from the man in front of him on the depth chart.

- Amar'e Stoudemire, in case you didn't see it last night, was unusually forthright about the Knicks' potential pursuit of Baron Davis:

"This guy's out for eight to 10 weeks, he's not our concern at all,'' Stoudemire said of Davis, who was waived by the Cavaliers on Wednesday. "We can't do anything about his injury. Right now we can't afford to have any setbacks. We have a positive thing going. We feel great about our guys. Everybody's healthy, so we've just got to keep it going.''

I wouldn't necessarily equate that to "Stoudemire Would Pass On Baron Davis", but still, one usually doesn't hear anything even resembling an opinion from Amar'e.

- Friend of P&T Robert Silverman, one of Knickerblogger's top bros, followed in the footsteps of his editor and got his first New York Times byline last night with a post about the news of the Tyson Chandler deal.

- That last link was to a piece by Alan Hahn, and it could be one of his last. Hahn's leaving the beat to do in-studio MSG stuff (as well as some blogging). His reporting, which was the sharpest and least perverted in the market, will be sorely missed, but I look forward to watching him on my television.

- Speaking of which, MSG is televising a Knicks practice starting at 11 AM. I'll post a thread for those of you somehow able to watch and, if it's at all interesting, I'll write up a little summary for those of you who actually do things at 11 AM on a Friday.

That's all for now! Look for that live practice thread to be up soon. Actually, let's just use this post as the thread.

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woah woah woah

I didn’t sleep last night so I could study for a final, and now I get back to the dorm to find out that the Knicks are going to be on TV in a half an hour? I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SLEEPING THEN…!!

by BJabs on Dec 16, 2011 10:30 AM EST reply actions  

I don't know about this 'shooter' business

I mean, in addition to Carmelo and Amar’e, they have Toney, Landry, Bully, and Bibby, all of whom hit over a third of their threes last year.

I do think they need depth, because they’re a bit over-reliant on rookies Shumpert, Jorts, and Jerome “Michael” Jordan to be able to provide meaningful minutes.

It’s all very dicey thought, because you don’t want to bring in veterans that might get disgruntled or feel entitled. Redd might fall into that category. Joey Dorsey puts up gaudy rebounding numbers and gets called ‘A beast’ by fans and then gets dropped by every team he’s ever been on.

They might be better off going with Chris Hunter on the roster… but I’d like to see them add an undrafted guard to work on. Problem is, most of those guys are over in Europe because of the lockout.

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Dec 16, 2011 10:31 AM EST reply actions  

Good points

How about Powe? (Though I am not opposed to Chris Hunter)

by Seth on Dec 16, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Powe would be excellent for us

considering he can backup Amar’e and also put in some minutes at SF. He could take every last minute that Shawne would have occupied.

by BJabs on Dec 16, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

No

0-5 for his career from 3. I think he maxes at like 18 but even that is not a fun shot for him. Just going off of what I remember of him from Boston.

by BJabs on Dec 16, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Meh

Doesn’t sound like a D’antoni type of player

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Dec 16, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Good point

But do we need more than one of those guys? I guess Powe is a better rebounder?

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Dec 16, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Powe is all about attacking the rim and doing other exciting things

He isn’t a prototypical backup PF role player, unless the role you need filled is just plain intensity and excitement. I don’t really care what he can do, as long as he can competently play both forward positions.

by BJabs on Dec 16, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

What about Troy Murphy?

He is a PF, which is needed, and he can hit 3s.

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by Russ on Dec 16, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

He dropped off badly last year

There’s concern he might not be able to regain his previous form.

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Dec 16, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

True, might be worth a ‘risk’ though. He didn’t have a very stable situation

by paxon on Dec 16, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

He's working out at the Lakers facility

so um, if he’s any good, he’s a Laker

TYBG

by The Rooster on Dec 16, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Powe and Ajinca look good

Add them to our current JJ’s and something will shake out (I hope)

by superturboultra on Dec 16, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

And Jorts

I forgot about Jorts. Ugh without extra E the bench looks like ass, even if we sign both those guys.

by superturboultra on Dec 16, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I for one

Think Chris Hunter could work out ok

Andy Rautins for mayor... or at least 12th man

by Jay Jordo on Dec 16, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

He's the default

So if he’s any good, he’ll stay. It’s a bad sign if he’s cut.

by superturboultra on Dec 16, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Hopefully Grunwald was part of finding players off the scrap heap the past few years

Donnie was great at it:

Jonathon Bender
Earl Barron
Shawne Williams.

There was a guy or two every year that he found and was able to get something out of.

Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump

by DangerZone on Dec 16, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

That's any team, really

With the amount of roster space and playing time that we’ve had, it’s all the more likely that someone will pop up.

by superturboultra on Dec 16, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Woah

Peja is still a free agent? No doubt he could drop the bombs at 40% if he ended up here.

Why aren’t these people signed yet? And more importantly, why aren’t they signed by the Knicks?

by BJabs on Dec 16, 2011 10:46 AM EST reply actions  

defense...

and i loved him in the Sacramento heyday

by blackhova on Dec 16, 2011 10:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

it's fucking ATROCIOUS

I don’t want Peja on the team

Fish Fingers give me a break.

by GAx on Dec 16, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

his defense that is

Fish Fingers give me a break.

by GAx on Dec 16, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

lol when has that stopped us

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

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by Troy O on Dec 16, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Because other than his slight rejuvination in a few playoff games last year

Dude was deader than mike bibby

Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump

by DangerZone on Dec 16, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Nevermind

Let’s just make this thread for anybody watching the live practice thing.

by Seth on Dec 16, 2011 10:49 AM EST reply actions  

is msgt

streaming this? Im scouring the internet and cant find it anywhere.

sad panda

by Slappinfaces on Dec 16, 2011 10:57 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah me as well..

Shump Shump Yall !!
KNICKS!

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by VicTor W on Dec 16, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Alan Hahn is seriously f'n up my morning coffee ritual...

Gonna miss him, but, if as you say he’ll still be blogging, is off on his own, for MSG,….?

by screamedia on Dec 16, 2011 11:03 AM EST reply actions  

I mean

he worked for Newsday before and it didn’t stop him (but yeah, probably a little).

by Seth on Dec 16, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

shouldn't be any diff from his reg

msg also owned newsday, objectivity should remain what it has been

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by Lord Smackington on Dec 16, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

True but the on-air opinions tend to be a bit more nut-hugging

by paxon on Dec 16, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

that frog does look like a pork chop

it’s making me hungry. Now I want pork chops…smothered….with the gravy of some other tasty yet dead animal.

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by Lord Smackington on Dec 16, 2011 11:03 AM EST reply actions  

Haha he's nuts

I love that they’re all like, HE IS THE BEST PLAYER IN THE HISTORY OF BASKETBALL.

His backstory is really interesting, though. Really impressive that he got out of florida the way he did.

I really should be working right now.

by Jackaroe on Dec 16, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

these promos are superb

I have a sneaky suspicion the same guy isn’t the one who is responsible for the randolph and the family band intros prior to the game, otherwise they’d be alot better

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by Lord Smackington on Dec 16, 2011 11:09 AM EST reply actions  

I hate the family band

I’m not sure who thought it was a good idea to hire them, although JD & the Straight Shot plays with them a lot right? “Sure, we’ll let you do the promos, but you’ll have to let our owner tag along and open for your band at every show.”

by superturboultra on Dec 16, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

they are ok

but after what 2 or 3 years…I hope MSG changes to something else. Or at least change to another Friday night Knicks song intro….

by Jason Bee on Dec 16, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Peja can obviously still shoot while every other skill is seemingly falling off the map

But you get what you pay for and we ain’t got much, so I wouldn’t complain…I really don’t know about Powe…just don’t see much of him to have an opinion…I guess I’d lean towards Dorsey if it was tween him and Powe

by screamedia on Dec 16, 2011 11:09 AM EST reply actions  

IDK his shooting hasn't looked so sharp last few years

I could be wrong but I think his shooting numbers are down or maybe my perception of him at this point is clouded

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by Lord Smackington on Dec 16, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

You're correct, but down for him is 42%overall and 40% from 3

Without expecting too much else he might be worth 4 reb’s and 2 ass’s off the bench which is still useful for a situational player…I just wouldn’t expect much defense. Worse tho is can he stay healthy?

by screamedia on Dec 16, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

steve nash looked like an extra terrestrial in that photo with Amare

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by Lord Smackington on Dec 16, 2011 11:09 AM EST reply actions  

all right!!!

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by Lord Smackington on Dec 16, 2011 11:20 AM EST reply actions  

I dont like Bully's hairstyle choice of shitlocks

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by Lord Smackington on Dec 16, 2011 11:23 AM EST reply actions  

lets trade him

but the locks may hinder his trade value

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by Lord Smackington on Dec 16, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I like the shitlocks

We are poop deficient, remember. Also, Mason Jr. was never the same once the shitlocks were gone. I think that they stabilize the head and increase 3 pt accuracy.

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Dec 16, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

good point

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by Lord Smackington on Dec 16, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

swoll?

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Dec 16, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Muscle-y!

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by Thelonious Dunk on Dec 16, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Mike Bibby made it

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by Lord Smackington on Dec 16, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I hope...

All the not so enthusiastic words about Baron are just a smokescreen so he will clear waivers! He would be a great add. I have a feeling his back issues are being maybe a little overstated.

by robk on Dec 16, 2011 11:24 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Ha

Breen: Clyde, what did you do on summer vacation?
Clyde: It worked out for me. I was in st. croix and refurbished 3 houses.

by Jackaroe on Dec 16, 2011 11:24 AM EST reply actions  

I like this Tyson Chandler chap

Tina: “Tyson, to you…what is a good shot?”
Tyson: straight faced. “a dunk.”

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by Lord Smackington on Dec 16, 2011 11:36 AM EST reply actions  

HA!

Seth with an out of nowhere burn

Fish Fingers give me a break.

by GAx on Dec 16, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

"RorShat" was the best burn ive seen

with love.

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by Troy O on Dec 16, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

which is funny because he’s so high on that fatass nikola vucevic

by raj m on Dec 16, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

it is very refreshing alan hahn

very.

I don’t know why I think I can communicate msgs to alan hahns brain via my laptop but maybe that should be a feature in the next windows

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by Lord Smackington on Dec 16, 2011 11:40 AM EST reply actions  

u know if anyone in the nba could make me a sandwich I'd want it to be mike woodson

I hear matt bonner makes a mean sammich but I trust woodson’s sammich judgement, looks like he recognizes a good one when he sees it.

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by Lord Smackington on Dec 16, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

would it be?

I can think of at least 15 other guys in the nba i’d like to make me a sammich

Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump

by DangerZone on Dec 16, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I mean there are others yea

but he just looks like he’s had a lotta good sammiches, I’d trust his judgement.

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by Lord Smackington on Dec 16, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Dang it

at work guys no streams?

Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...

by Major on Dec 16, 2011 11:43 AM EST reply actions  

don't know about that but it'll probably re air at leastt twice more this week

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by Lord Smackington on Dec 16, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

melancholy

Like a kid who just dropped an ice cone on the pavement

Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...

by Major on Dec 16, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

This special HAS to result in at least on P&T Knickname

by paxon on Dec 16, 2011 11:48 AM EST reply actions  

MISSING MUCH NOW SETH!!!

Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...

by Major on Dec 16, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

shit what happened??

oh god why am I working both during this and tomorrow’s game

Fish Fingers give me a break.

by GAx on Dec 16, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

please do!

dying to hear this stuff.

stupid work.

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/

by gbaked on Dec 16, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

seriously!

I’d also like to hear people’s opinions on what they think our strengths and weaknesses, needs (or none) despite this being only one practice

by screamedia on Dec 16, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Jorts needs to grow that beard out. I see some potential

by paxon on Dec 16, 2011 11:50 AM EST reply actions  

yes.

I’m really am wondering about the deal with Amare’s shorts

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by Lord Smackington on Dec 16, 2011 11:51 AM EST reply actions  

believe so

but Amare’s are rolled up for some reason so they appear extra short.

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by Lord Smackington on Dec 16, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Off topic and I want your honest opinions

I really pisses me off when someone says a player like Melo cannot pass the ball. Even if he isn’t a great passer, couldn’t he learn and acquire that ability? Nowadays it seems like when a player turns 27, 28, we assume the skill set and render any ability to ADD other skills to be impossible. There is no reason a player as talented as Melo can’t become a better passer or even a better overall player.

Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...

by Major on Dec 16, 2011 11:55 AM EST reply actions  

court vision isn't something that is easily learned, if it even can be learned

but I think Melo’s passing skills are overlooked and underated because of the fact that he is such a proficient scorer.

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by Lord Smackington on Dec 16, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

True

Melo throws some good passes.

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Dec 16, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah Melo's a fantastic passer from a skill perspective

It’s his decisiveness that needs to improve. Great alpha scorers in the past (MJ, Kobe) started to mature and gain trust in teammates at about this point in their careers

TYBG

by The Rooster on Dec 16, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

for the most part, those 2 players have only played for one team passing through those ages

Melo is still relatively new, to regain all that trust with us will take alittle more time

by blackhova on Dec 16, 2011 12:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Remember what Mike D said

he feels melo should be avg a triple double.

I have a feeling he has set up his O to try to accomplish that.

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/

by gbaked on Dec 16, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Should be true

I definitely acquired lots of skills after 30. Depends on the personality and the situation. A person can’t completely reinvent themself, but change is certainly possible. Usually incremental. Doesn’t ever seem to apply to defense.

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Dec 16, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Melo:

“We want that mentality that the old knicks teams had. When they step on the court, you know what time it is.”

Swoon.

by Jackaroe on Dec 16, 2011 12:18 PM EST reply actions  

Adventure Time?

Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump

by DangerZone on Dec 16, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Landry looks stronger

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by Lord Smackington on Dec 16, 2011 12:21 PM EST reply actions  

looks like he hitting that p90x

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by Lord Smackington on Dec 16, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Shumpert

How was he looked? Cant watch on TV

by andrewkole on Dec 16, 2011 12:24 PM EST reply actions  

haha. what kinda crap is he talking

by andrewkole on Dec 16, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Where do I start?

He runs through drills talking smack on the coaches running them (in good fun, to psych himself up).
He told Stoudemire he’s going to dunk on him: “I’m gonna climb up you today, Stat! No layups!”
Telling people he didn’t foul them: “Shump shump’s hand didn’t get in there, maybe it was someone else’s hand, but it wasn’t shump shump!”

Stuff like that.

by Osborn on Dec 16, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

lol, awesome

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Dec 16, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

and we have a new P&T fav.

Seth – you gotta get an interview with this guy.

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/

by gbaked on Dec 16, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh my god.

Yes.

"It was one of those good, deep sleeps; you know, the ones where you wake up and a stream of drool is steadily racing down your shirt? Yes, that kind of sleep." -Landry Fields

by Thelonious Dunk on Dec 16, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

It says a lot that Iman Shumpert is considered a physical freak, and he's bent over with his hands on his knees.

While Stoudemire stands next to him, straight up, with his hands on his hips like a superhero caricature.

by Osborn on Dec 16, 2011 12:24 PM EST reply actions  

I mean there're physical freaks, and then there's Amare.

Who is a freaking physical beast.

Fish Fingers give me a break.

by GAx on Dec 16, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Please recap this, Seth. I hope MSG replays this later tonight.

I also hope that Time Warner Cable doesn’t drop MSG from its channel lineup. Anyone else hear about this? Apparently last time there was a dispute TWC had no MSG for like two months. That’s like half the season at this point!

Fish Fingers give me a break.

by GAx on Dec 16, 2011 12:30 PM EST reply actions  

what!

not this bullshit again! oh man, now I’m gonna be stressing. I had no idea this was going on again. It’s very unsettling.

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by Lord Smackington on Dec 16, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Verizon . i suffered for 2 yrs watching in standard def but that sh*t just ended . Knicks in HD ! 1 more reason to be pumped.

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by Troy O on Dec 16, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

That was the only thing that was holding me from switching to FIOS.

by YIK on Dec 16, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I somewhat irrationally support it, but I'm probably alone

1) potential three beard starting lineup with Davis, Stevenson, Chandler
2) rekindling of the LeBron/Stevenson “rivalry”
3) no but seriously he’s a good defender who can hit threes

TYBG

by The Rooster on Dec 16, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Charles Barkley always talks about how every team needs a crazy guy

and it’s true in the playoffs, where there’s always some sort of physical altercation, you need a dude who’s willing to get right in the middle of things and ultimately fire up the team.

you know, the Heat don’t have that, they always seemed to shrink in the face of adversity, and these Knicks are being built as a mentally and physically tough team. the fact that we can still light it up on offense has me incredibly excited… and guys like Stevenson are just what we need as role players

TYBG

by The Rooster on Dec 16, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

You think he can guard 3's well?

I know he’s a 2, but we really have too many guards right now. I have no idea how they are gonna give or divide playing time between TD/Fields/Shump/Bibby/Bully. I do like his pooping prowess and D though. A nice combo to have.

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Dec 16, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Fields and Bully are both SF's

Pretending to be SG’s. Since our depth chart at SF is now 1 deep (Melo), these two can go back to their true position. And then also have Stevenson play his true position.

Or we can switch it around. Whatever!

by superturboultra on Dec 16, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't like Bully guarding 3's at all though, bully feels more of a 2 then a 3 to me.

And I’d love fields back at his natural 3 spot, even in a bench role like Extra E was last year wouldn’t be bad, but we need to actually have a 2 that can out put up 10pts+ regularly to start at the 2 for that to happen, or we might as well just have Fields start there again because it’d be for the best.

And I’d prefer Stevenson off the bench instead of starting, I’d prefer Fields starting over him. Not sure what others think though on that topic.

And with our 2.5X2 contract offer, I don’t really think we will find anyone out there to take that who should start over landry at the 2.

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Dec 16, 2011 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

doesn't he have a neck tattoo of abe lincoln?

I think it’d be un-american to not sign him.

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by Lord Smackington on Dec 16, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

It wouldn't be unamerican.

but it would certainly be dishonest as well as racist.

by Osborn on Dec 16, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

OK I just looked into this, there's been nothing on Stevenson lately

besides this article from three days ago

Agent Mark Bartelstein said Stevenson, a defensive stopper who averaged 5.3 points per game and shot 38.8 percent from 3-point range last season, has multiple offers. Bartelstein indicated that Stevenson would probably make a decision within the next day.

ZOMG MAYBE HE WUZ WAITING ON CRAWFORD/WILLIAMS

TYBG

by The Rooster on Dec 16, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

He would be incredible on this team.

But I don’t think there’s any way he passes through waivers, though. He’s too good.

by Osborn on Dec 16, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

If I'm them

I’m keeping options open.
I’d hold him as an asset to rope in a third team as part of a Howard trade.

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by Lord Smackington on Dec 16, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I was on the fence

but now I’m unashamedly on the wagon. Shaving Cream Pies for every game-winner!

Fish Fingers give me a break.

by GAx on Dec 16, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Is Jorts really that annoying?

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by Russ on Dec 16, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Travis Outlaw if he clears the bidding process?

Is he expected to clear? He’s most useful as a stretch 4 off the bench, which is exactly what we need.

by ibnyc on Dec 16, 2011 12:52 PM EST reply actions  

was up wit this dude

jeffries jacking up shots on the fastbreak

by The Realness on Dec 16, 2011 12:52 PM EST reply actions  

look at Jorts gettin after it!

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by Lord Smackington on Dec 16, 2011 12:54 PM EST reply actions  

hows the scrimmage looking?

cant watch tv now.

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/

by gbaked on Dec 16, 2011 1:02 PM EST reply actions  

Ya know

like a scrimmage! Pretty disorganized, but everybody’s doing their respective thing. I’ll have a couple notes up on it later.

by Seth on Dec 16, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

looks very energetic, up tempo fast paced as expected

shots look off, guys look rusty but they all look in terrific shape as far as I can tell. Lots of communication on D.

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by Lord Smackington on Dec 16, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

that too

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by Lord Smackington on Dec 16, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Any way for me to watch this junk out of market?

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by Thelonious Dunk on Dec 16, 2011 1:07 PM EST reply actions  

Waaaah.

"It was one of those good, deep sleeps; you know, the ones where you wake up and a stream of drool is steadily racing down your shirt? Yes, that kind of sleep." -Landry Fields

by Thelonious Dunk on Dec 16, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Jerome Jordan should be eating a plate of oxtail right now to put some meat on those bones

oxtail seems like an acceptable practice snack. I don’t think that’d be weird at all.

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by Lord Smackington on Dec 16, 2011 1:09 PM EST reply actions  

melo

is doing what he does throwing up a lot of shots but the team as a whole look very energetic on d.

by The Realness on Dec 16, 2011 1:10 PM EST reply actions  

Shump, kinda impressed . TD wasn't taking him light

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by Troy O on Dec 16, 2011 1:20 PM EST reply actions  

I can't wait to see how they play while on the floor together

the prospect of this excites me to no ends, I’ll have to curb my expectations before they get out of hand.

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by Lord Smackington on Dec 16, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

he impressed me on D

remained active, made handlers change direction, got hands on loose balls & ended up with a couple steals one of which he finished off with a nice dunk but offensively didn’t see much. He didn’t look bad there just nothing that popped out at me on offense yet.

Overall he looked good IMO.

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by Lord Smackington on Dec 16, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

posey

just passed thru waivers unclaimed

by The Realness on Dec 16, 2011 1:30 PM EST reply actions  

I'd love to be watching this

Damn the no streams. I’m having to follow it through twitter

by Bertilad on Dec 16, 2011 1:45 PM EST reply actions  

I don't think it'd be a bad thing to save the exception for later

we’re already improved with Chandler and with such few options I’d hate for us to sign someone just to say we signed someone. It may serve us better to wait until the mid point of the season and then reevaluate in case of injury or something so we have it for an emergency.

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by Lord Smackington on Dec 16, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we got 13 guys in camp

depending on how Hunter and Green perform they could stick maybe not, but if they did that’d be close to a full roster right there.

We have Harrelson and Jordan to back up Chandler, Jefferies to back up Stat, Walker to back up Melo, Shumpert to back up Fields and Bibby to back up TD. Alot of our guys can play multiples positions too and that’s not counting Hunter and Green.I think Walker and Shumpert will be able to at least give some scoring off the bench, Walker himself averaged 12 off the bench last season which most reserves don’t even touch.

So I think the team is suitable to compete as is if Dantoni manages things right and at least one of our rooks show up but even if that doesn’t happen It’s not as if there is any outstanding talent left on the market that is imperative we move on. Honestly, folks are clamoring for a hobbled and aching Barron Davis right now, who I’d love if he were healthy but he aint. The quality just aint there right now.

I’d rather use a bunch of 10 day contracts periodically and if something looks promising enough to stick then offer a guaranteed deal because if we use our exception on Davis/Redd/whoever now and they aren’t healthy, or if they just plain suck, we have no more money to dole out and will have to get very very lucky to “discover” a player on a minimum contract.

We’re better and we might even be contenders but we still need to have patience. We’re not going to fill our bench full of scorers and dependable role players with our current cap. And before we rush to do that we should probably get a feel for the guys we have now so maybe we don’t spend unnecessarily should a few players pan out.

This ramble went on for waaaay too long. I’m sorry.

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by Lord Smackington on Dec 16, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought today was the last day to use it?

It seemed weird when I read it, so maybe it’s wrong.

by superturboultra on Dec 16, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

could be...

I assumed it could be offered throughout the season like the mid level

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by Lord Smackington on Dec 16, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

<3

The fact that he refers to himself in the third person makes him all the more endearing.

And how appreciative!

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by Thelonious Dunk on Dec 16, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

just like TD!!!

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by Lord Smackington on Dec 16, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

OMG

I LOVE THIS KID!!!

Seriously I cant wait to see him grow up in this system. Love how he isnt bashful at all around anyone even though he is 3 days into his career. He knows he was born to do this….

by Slappinfaces on Dec 16, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I take that Stat comment as more him trying to instill confidence into Bibby, Douglas and Shumpert, as in "we don't need more cuz these guys can handle it"

It looks like we’re gonna try and add two of the folowing: Baron, Redd (despite D’antoni’s quote), Posey, and Murphy.

My votes for Murphy and Baron. Perfect fits IMO. Even if we’re without Baron for 8-10 weeks (doubt it, sounds like his agent just avoiding getting picked up on waivers… I could see it being 2-4 weeks). Murphy could kinda take over the Shawne role. But he’s more of a big man which is more useful for us right now. We might have the best starting front court in the league, but our bench bigs are Jefferies and 2 2nd round rookies (who I have high hopes for, but I can’t expect minutes right away)… throw Murphy in to back up both Amar’e and Tyson, by the end of the year we should see him competing with either Jorts or Jerome for the back up center minutes.

Redd would be kinda nice IMO, but I’m not that mad that we probably won’t get him because more minutes for Shump and Landry.

by hvino on Dec 16, 2011 3:05 PM EST reply actions  

not too shaby

but i would love to see stevenson with this team his d and bench scoring could help us a ton i like murphy also.redd i think is washed up

by The Realness on Dec 16, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Murphy is huge and can own the boards, but can he still shoot/score?

Well, there aren’t a ton of options out, so he definitely is a better fit then most of the stuff out there. If Baron is acquirable, that would be money. But I don’t know what Baron is looking for money or options wise if he passes waivers.

I was a huge Redd guy in his prime, but I’m not sure how much quality b-ball he has left.

What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?

by OzzyFan on Dec 16, 2011 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

what happened to shawne williams?

Nets head coach Avery Johnson has named Damion James the starting SF for New Jersey’s preseason opener vs. the Knicks on Saturday.
Johnson said his starting lineup will consist of James at small forward, Shelden Williams at power forward, Brook Lopez at center, Anthony Morrow at shooting guard and Deron Williams at point guard on Saturday. The Nets are talking about bringing in Andrei Kirilenko to possibly start at the 3, but if James holds onto the starting job for the foreseeable future, he is someone to take a flier on at the end of your fantasy drafts.
Related: Andrei Kirilenko
Source: Newark Star-Ledger
Dec 16 – 2:27 PM

by The Realness on Dec 16, 2011 3:16 PM EST reply actions  

How Many Williams's do they have?

Could be some kind of record.

The Landryman can

by YuckFou on Dec 16, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

all I know is...

Shawne should be pissed if he signed on a promise he could start and then not only do they not start him but bring in other guys to take his minutes.

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by Lord Smackington on Dec 16, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

This is why I can't respect the Nets

Even when the Knicks were bringing in guys like David Lee on 1 year contracts, at least the respect was there – as in, the team was always straight with him, not telling him lies just to sign him away from a rival.

by superturboultra on Dec 16, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I get what your saying but everyfranchise does something of this nature every season

we’re not innocent either, we told Chauncey he’d be here this year and that he’d play a role in what we were doing not too long ago right before we amnestied him. (which I’m completely fine with btw.)

Sometimes you gotta make the hard choice to make the team better. I’m sure no one ever intends to do business this way because I can’t imagine it being effective as an everyday part of operations but things don’t always work out the way you think they will.

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by Lord Smackington on Dec 16, 2011 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Well it wouldn't make sense for him to start this game having just signed there

And wow … the Nets are starting the Forehead? Damn. It’s not going to be a very good season for them.

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by DangerZone on Dec 16, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

That is an absolutely horrible starting 5 even with D-Will

Dump dumps Oops oops.

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by Ozraider on Dec 16, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

i agree

but if they sign Kirilenko that’s a slap to the face.nets are real bad regardless why would howard want to play for that team?

by The Realness on Dec 16, 2011 4:27 PM EST reply actions  

yeah baby i knew it

Sources tell Chris Sheridan that Baron Davis hopes to clear amnesty waivers today at 6 pm ET and end up with the New York Knicks. If he does, there are talks that he could be available to go within two weeks, not the 8-10 week timeframe originally discussed by his agent.
Sheridan thinks there are a growing number of skeptics that believe that the severity of Davis’s injury is being fabricated in an attempt to scare off would-be bidders so that Davis can slip through the waivers process unclaimed, which would allow him to choose his next team. In addition to Davis, the article also talks about the Knicks being interested in going after Michael Redd, Troy Murphy and/or DeShawn Stevenson as well. Check out the link below for more.
Related: DeShawn Stevenson, Michael Redd, Troy Murphy, Knicks
Source: Sheridan Hoops
Dec 16 – 4:53 PM

by The Realness on Dec 16, 2011 5:04 PM EST reply actions  

NYPost_Berman Marc Berman
Baron Davis will become an unrestricted free agent momentarily, according to Cleveland beat writer Finnan.
9 minutes ago

by bababooey2 on Dec 16, 2011 8:09 PM EST reply actions  

woooo....?

Fish Fingers give me a break.

by GAx on Dec 16, 2011 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

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