Why the Knicks should run the Triangle Offense
I know D'Antoni has his Seven Seconds or Less offense, but with the additions of Carmelo Anthony and Tyson Chandler, and the subtraction of Steve Nash, I really see the Knicks as perfect candidates for the Triangle Offense. Maybe I'm totally off base, but here's a few reasons why:
Melo as the playmaker: Melo is probably the team's best passer right now, so why force Toney Douglas and Mike Bibby to do a job he could do better? The triangle allows your wings to do more playmaking, and is similar to SSOL in that players react to their environment. Here's an impeccably-timed play the Knicks ran only a handful of times last year: Melo gets in triple-threat position at the top of the key. Amare is on the other side along the baseline. This is where the defense THINKS they know what's going to happen - Melo's gonna chuck something. But then Williams or Landry streak along the baseline to the opposite side, anticipating a corner poop, while Amare curls up to the top of the key opposite Melo. As soon as one of the interior defenders turns his head to react to the corner streaker, BAM, Amare curls off to the basket. and Melo just drops it into his hands. KER-DUNK.
There is no clear-cut distributing PG. Duh. This is similar to the last one. Why shoe-horn Toney Douglas into being Steve Nash, when he's obviously a more bad-ass Ron Harper? He's the team's best outside shooter, but - this will be a recurring theme for the team's guards - he struggles to create his own shot. The Triangle will allow him to play off the ball. The learning curve to turn him into this kind of perimeter player isn't nearly as steep as it is to turn him into a pick and roll genius. With the Knicks likely to play a combo of Toney/Bibby/Shumpert at the two guard slots a good portion of the season along with Melo, this gives the Knicks the ideal three playmakers to run the offense.
The Melo/Amare Pick and Roll: Again, this was run only a handful of times last season, but it seemingly never failed. My original hypothesis was that D'Antoni didn't want to mess with what his guys knew, but then I saw footage of a Melo/Nene pick and roll that they ran over and over to much success. And we all know Amare isn't shy about that play. I hope they're working on this play RIGHT NOW.
Amare's Range: There's a whole chunk of STAT's game that the Knicks don't even use. His outside shot is just as good as his mid-range. The triangle will allow him to force big men to trail him out to the 3-point line. This not only gives the Knicks another outside shooter, but also opens up more opportunities for Chandler.
The Revival of Landry: After the Melo trade, the Knicks leaned on Fields to be a creator for himself with the ball in his hands, but that's expecting a bit much of him. The Triangle offense is a boon to opportunistic players who can read the situation and make plays happen out of nowhere. And with Turiaf gone (it's ok to shed a tear), the Knicks' most opportunistic player is now Landry Fields. With Melo as a playmaker and Amare down low, opposing defenses will not be paying attention to a young Robert Horry Landry Fields, and that is when he'll make them pay. Everything I just said about Landry applies just as much to a healthier Andrew Bynum Tyson Chandler, only on the inside (also, see how I just made Chandler's health risk look like a good thing?).
Shumpert: We haven't seen a minute of this guy in the NBA yet, but I bet he looks better playing from the post than he does from the perimeter.
Sorry for the bullet-list. I really think you all can handle paragraph form, but I'm just lazy. Feel free to let me have it in the comments.
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I think we should have Melo fasilitate the O, run the pick and roll with Amare and Chandler…
I dont think DAntoni needs to change anything for Melo
by Chris3035 on Dec 16, 2011 3:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Running the offense through Melo
Is NO brainer.
I’m not convinced the Knicks should be running the triangle even if Phil was the coach.
I like the idea of D’An tayloring the offense around what he has. Melo and Amare in the pick and roll will be amazing. Especially since people aren’t going to be able to help off of Tyson. Amare will get good looks or Tyson will get easy dunks
If I can make it there, I'll make it anywhere...It's up to you, New York, New York!!!!
by MrWilliams on Dec 16, 2011 11:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
it is SUCH a no brainer
and yet george karl never thought of doing it . . . really amazing
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George Karl thought of it more than D'Antoni so far...
by superturboultra on Dec 17, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
I totally disagree
Last season it was tough to fully integrate him without a training camp, so there was a lot of iso ball out of him. Not ideal, but it’s too hard to run an offense around a player without having a training camp. Mike has said in interviews that’s going to have Carmelo play full on point some possessions and have him and amare facilitate from the elbow, and I saw a lot of that in the preseason game.
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Yeah - after last afternoon's preseason game, I'd say this is a true statement
pretty friggin sweet too
We have 3 good things for the triangle: a dominant wing that can post up (Melo), a dominant big man (Amar'e) and a PG that's best at spotting up
But there’s only one coach who could make it work and we all know who it is (hint: rhymes with Bill Flackson).
I've heard the same
But I really don’t see a huge difference between making SSOL work and the triangle. They’re both mostly improvised. Phil Jackson doesn’t have any magic pixie dust – I think D’Antoni can make it work if he has the work ethic to do it.
by superturboultra on Dec 16, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
Why they shouldn't: Phil Jackson isn't their coach.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Ugh
I’m so sick of hearing that Phil Jackson is the only person who can implement the triangle. He’s not, he didn’t even invent it. That said, it does require patience, buy-in, and hard work from everyone involved. The shortened season doesn’t help.
by superturboultra on Dec 17, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Ugh
I’m so sick of hearing that Phil Jackson (PERIOD)
Phil: “Oh Look! The Knicks are good, lemme go go coach THERE!” Gag
the reason you hear it is cuz Phil Jackson's the only one to successfully run a team using it
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Believe me, if we don't at least go deep into the 2nd round of the playoffs this year
Phil Jackson will be here next fall to run the triangle.
would have been PERFECT with jamal
alas. i bet we’ll run some triangle though. it won’t be the staple of our offense, but it’ll be there some possessions
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you dont just
“run some triangle”. You either commit to it or dont play any at all
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Dec 17, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not so sure
Is it impossible to integrate the ball movement from the triangle into the run and gun of SSOL? Unfortunately I think it is.
by superturboultra on Dec 17, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
SSOL is a philosophy of opportunism, not an offensive scheme
It doesn’t require anything but a larger commitment to running than most teams, in order to seek initial opportunities. What happens after that depends on personnel. The only constant is that we won’t walk the ball up the floor and get into a set; we’ll look for an easy bucket and, if it’s not there, then get into a set
TYBG
pretty much
which is why we can run “some triangle” or “some wooden” because we start to run more traditional offenses later in the shot clock when the defenses are set
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You can run it some possessions or part of some possessions
We ran a bit of triangle last season with amare and carmelo at the end of shot clocks. Plus it’s not like the lakers go triangle every single possession. You’ll see them play pick and roll and run set plays.
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Jamal Crawford and Carmelo Anthony on the same court would have killed ball movement. They pretty much do the same thing on offense, although one is way better at it and adds a number of other skills.
by superturboultra on Dec 17, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
You think so?
I think they can both be good ball movers under the right coach. Plus Jamal can play from the wing and Carmelo can play from the post and wing.
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The Bulls and Lakers never really ran the Triangle
but they ran adapted versions of it. The only real triangle I’ve seen was from the Jordan-less 1994 Bulls.
Apart from the fact that SSOL is not an offense
The Knicks already run a heavy dose of triangle, as it is the default adjustment for the Spread pick and roll offense. Now the Knicks are running the UCLA offense inspired by John Wooden. Now Wooden borrowed heavily from Henry Iba who by the way was the guy who gave Sam Barry the idea for what he called the Triple Post offense which Barry assistant Tex Winter name sound familiar renamed the Triangle after he started coaching at kansas state. Well Mike D’Antoni borrowed heavily from all of these coaches to design his offense which people have been bastardizing with the name seven seconds or less. So the Knicks already run the triangle, and will run it alot.

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