Carmelo Anthony and Toney Douglas take turns running the offense
After Chauncey Billups was waived under the amnesty clause to make financial room for Tyson Chandler, the biggest concern turned to re-filling that very point guard spot. After all, there's still doubt about whether or not Toney Douglas can run an offense and Iman Shumpert is cut from the same impure point guard mold.
Mike D'Antoni cleared up some of those concerns, saying that the offense would run through Carmelo Anthony, doing that whole point forward thing. That isn't ideal, nor is it particularly reassuring, but that's perhaps the biggest misconception about D'Antoni's offense. It doesn't require point guards so much as it requires playmakers. Whether said playmaker is 6'2 or 6'8 makes little difference. But with Douglas as the starter, in the first preseason game we saw the difference between Douglas' position and Melo's role.
Douglas struggled with a few different things out of pick-and-rolls during the first game, though I think they're all related to a lack of aggression.

In the first clip, he successfully starts to make the defense collapse, but then kicks out before he penetrates the paint. This doesn't suck defenders in enough, allowing them to run back to their men.

Douglas shows a lack of aggression in the next three clips. The second he turns the corner on a pick, he jabs in but then immediately pulls back and passes off without any real purpose. Worse yet, he gives up his dribble whenever the roll defender steps up for a light trap.

And when Douglas does hit someone for an opportunity, his passes aren't exactly thrown with great accuracy. You see the amount of space Amar'e Stoudemire's defender has to make up on this catch, but it's almost negated by the time it takes him to reach down for the pass before getting into his shooting motion. Even on Toney's best opportunity, Chandler fumbles the pass a bit which allows Brook Lopez the opportunity to time a block.
There was a palpable difference in the way the offense felt with Melo initiating the offense as opposed to Douglas, both in flair and effectiveness. For one, the aggressiveness. There's no hesitation in the way Melo attacks openings and everything else falls into place because of it.

You see how quickly he attacks off Chandler's pick in the first clip and how he gets to the middle of the paint before deciding to give the ball up. He can choose to kick out with all five defenders collapsing on him or hit the cutter for easy money. The latter is generally more exciting.

The third clip is something we expect to see. Melo gets Lopez to switch off the pick, which he sees as a mismatch, and rightfully attacks the basket. Even though he gets his shot pinned, he's not just pulling up for his favorite midrange shot.

And the passing accuracy off screens is there, hitting Chandler perfectly in stride for a dunk, and again getting him the ball a foot from the basket.
Of course, running the offense is more than executing pick-and-rolls effectively. It's understanding what the defense gives. It's calling the right plays and knowing when to break from them. It's making sure everyone's in the right spot. And a whole heap of other things we'll never understand. But from pure feel and ability, the Knicks need to run it through Melo right now.
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Love the breakdown and the undeniable evidence. Also, suddenly feel alarmingly fired up to get after the point guard of the team I coach. (Lucky for her, it’s Christmas break so she’s safe.)
L.Fields
Put L.Fields in the second unit at the three spot.
I.Shumpert can handle the ball and help out T.Douglas and C.Anthony.
L.Fields has no business starting at the two.
Just like last year a round peg in a square hole does not work. Play him at the three in the second unit.
Shumpert now
i agree 100% Now that teams know Fields game he is less effective and over-matched at times.
by DaShipBeSinkin on Dec 19, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Really guys?
We’re going to go all out already and say that Landry Fields shouldn’t be starting at the 2 spot after the FIRST preseason game? Let’s not be ridiculous, please.
by CJGreffrath on Dec 19, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
sorry to say I agree with Dizzy
Landry wasn’t just bad in the first preseason game. He was lost in the playoffs, lost in the scrimmage, lost in everything. He needs to be benched. Except for the first two months of the season he wasn’t very good and he has very limited upside and significant downside. Realistically he should be near Bill Walker on the depth chart and I’d even have Balkman ahead of him.
Ok...
So a rookie that finished 3rd in the rookie of the year rankings last season “has very limited upside and significant downside”? I couldn’t disagree more, and you all should be ashamed of yourselves for giving up on the Landriest of them all. He proved everybody wrong last year and he will do it again time and time again. Lets go Landry Fields!
by CJGreffrath on Dec 19, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
yes
So he was third in rookie of the year voting. That means of all of the rookies he had the third most votes. That’s because most other rookies were much younger, didn’t play as much, and were in smaller markets. In terms of actual ability and production per minute, he wasn’t impressive at all. Considering his age and the drop-off that’s been very evident for quite a while, there’s no reason to expect much from him. I’m on the Shumpert train to dunk-town.
That's absolutely ridiculous
If you think that he was third in rookie of the year voting just because he got more minutes than other rookies you’re out of your freakin’ mind, feck. Why do you keep mentioning his age? You act like he’s an old man or something. He’s 23 for god’s sake. He’s a very good player and he’s going to get better. For you to say that he wasn’t impressive at all last season is laughable. He was 2nd overall in rebounds for shooting guards correct? Also, he almost shot 40% from downtown as well. There is plenty of reason to expect much from him.
by CJGreffrath on Dec 19, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
You're free to think what you want
There’s a reason why players who are drafted at 19-21 have worse stats in college and the first few season of the NBA in general. They hit their peak around 23 and stay in that range until 30. Usually.
Landry was an old rookie with limited upside. He was 2nd in rebounds for a position he’s not suited for, and he shot 39% from three. Shawne Williams did about the same. Is he a starter too? He shouldn’t be either. Factor in that Landry has fallen off considerably after his start. Yeah he should still be an NBA player, and he’s a good guy, but he hasn’t shown much in nearly a year.
You're funny
Nobody has shown much in nearly a year because there hasn’t been any basketball. Do you think since Landry is 23 that it’s impossible for him to improve his game? Come on. The fact that you guys want Shumpert starting already just shows that you all are about what’s happening now. It doesn’t matter what has happened before, it just matters that Shumpert played decently in his first preseason game ever, so lets throw him the starting 2 spot immediately! It saddens me that Knick fans are giving up on Landry already.
I don't want Shumpert starting
Don’t jump to conclusions. But he definitely has higher upside as a super athletic, defensive player who can potentially improve his shot selection.
It’s not impossible for Landry to improve his game. If he can get back to how he was playing before that would be key. Must improve confidence first. Then maybe improve his ball-handling.
for once, dizzy is right
Landry can be what ill-will was when he was still here. a spark off the bench. with stat and melo getting most of the touches in the starting unit, Landry won’t be as effective. we can’t funnel our entire scoring chances through the starters. that’s just not smart for the long run of the season. i believe the economic term is diminishing marginal utility.
this isn’t to say that Landry is overrated. He isn’t. But i think he can find his niche being first man off the bench. if i can guess what the next worry will be, “but then who’s gonna be our ball handler in the 2nd unit?!” Mike Bibby is more than capable of not turning the ball over.
nevermind the fact that we also have the Baron of Davis on his way here.
this is probably the best short-term solution.
agreed
i liked landry a lot more when he came off the bench, before we got melo
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Landry Fields started 81 games last year btw
by flossy on Dec 19, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Shut up! You're interfering with his convenient narrative!
by Doug Chu on Dec 20, 2011 4:22 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Of Course
In case you didn’t notice he did play for us last year at the two.
With that said I guess you will change your mind and realize he is nothing but a three man in the second unit.
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I actually did notice.
Thanks for clarifying that up for me. He actually did pretty damn good at the 2 last year so I don’t know where your head is at. I’m not going to change my mind and you have to realize that you’re not always right.
May be in the minority it sounds like...
but I disagree as well. I don’t see Fields as a scorer, but more as a complementary piece to do more of the little things… rebound, increase ball movement, cut to the hoop (like Balkman did), etc.
Our second unit needs more scoring and not less. I see DWTDD and Shump more as scorers than I do Landry. Keep him running with the ones for now.
Now, if his shooting doesn’t show any positive signs after a 10 or whatever game sampling (specifically from behind the arc as we desperately need someone to stretch the D a bit), then you can start to consider shifts in the lineup… but until then, leave him where he is please.
The past 30 games...
on a team that made a HUGE personnel change didn’t show me enough. He was a rookie that got comfortable in the role he was playing in and then had HUGE change thrown his way. Not to mention… there is such a thing as a rookie wall.
Listen, I’m not making excuses for him and totally don’t know how he’ll turn out. But I’d rather base my opinion on how he looks NOW with at least a training camp (as short has it is) rather than penalize him for the second half of his rookie year and everything else that went along with it.
I think he can be decent with less pressure on the second or third unit and at SF
If he plays well then give him more minutes.
i love shumpert
but lets not start him yet. remember, it was just one preseason game. i don’t think anyone here thinks humpty is going to lead this team in points one game this year (maybe there are, but remember, he is still balkman), we got to ease him in a little.
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As we saw, Melo facilitating is great for Balkman
by Jeff Van Gumby on Dec 19, 2011 11:01 AM EST reply actions
Great post
I think Melo could be successful as a point-forward. I still like him better in his natural scoring role though. When he gets the ball closer to the hoop, he is almost unstoppable, because he has a great post up game, a great spin move, and he can get his shot up over almost any defender. This is why I love the Baron Davis signing. It will allow Melo and Douglas to thrive in their natural roles, at least while BD is in the game. Douglas just doesn’t have the PG instincts or the passing ability imo. He is best when he can just DWTDD.
I think there is an overreaction to landry
Amare played terrible and so did Douglas, plus it’s a new lineup so everyone is looking for there place
by Phillip P on Dec 19, 2011 11:48 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
amazing
I just have to say, that last preseason I was debating whether or not the Knicks could actually make the playoffs and make some noise. Now it’s whether or not the Knicks can win a championship. It feels damn good to be a Knicks fan right now. Darkhorse team for the championship= NY Knicks
This is more directed at the comments section than at Gian's post.
We should absolutely not be drawing any conclusions from one preseason game. Based on this game, Renaldo Balkman should be a starter, and Amare would be a backup.
The only thing I think we can say definitively is that Toney Douglas is not a point guard. But I’m basing that off his entire Knick career. Yes, he was able to get some assists filling in for Chauncey, but those were mostly on kick-outs and just being lucky enough to pass the ball to a player before they knocked down a contested shot.
The man doesn’t create opportunities for his teammates. Period.
I’m a big fan of Toney Douglas… defensively. But somewhere during the lockout we got stir-crazy and fans on this website started believing that Toney was the pg of the future. He’s not a pg.
Waiting for Christmas...
by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 19, 2011 12:12 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I completely agree
I like Toney very much, but he doesn’t have natural point guard instincts or abilities. I also couldn’t agree more about judging everybody from one preseason game. These guys haven’t played NBA basketball for a while so we should give them a bit of a break I think.
by CJGreffrath on Dec 19, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah.
There are no conclusions to be made from preseason games. None. Not positive, not negative, not any. They are meant only to entertain fans and to build team cohesion and get everyone back into the swing of things. There’s a reason they don’t show up on any records.
Changes should be slow and deliberate, not immediate and rash.
Baron Davis was on the US team for the 2002 FIBA championships where the US was 6th
Chandler had a small role in 2010. Obviously Melo was big on the team.
We have to work on our driving game or get a play-making PG.
Whenever we drive off the PnR, we always get good results. TD has to learn to attack openings fearlessly and look for the kickout/slasher.
i know it was against the nets
but i was drooling watching carmelo play pick and roll and get his teammates easy looks. gotta give props to bubbachuck who was on the soap box last year saying that his passing ability is the part of his game that has been far too untapped.
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Awesome post. Even with Baron we could see Melo as the primary playmaker.
I’d like to see him work with Amar’e in the pick and roll more! (we’ve all been saying this forever)

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