Preseason: Knicks 88, Nets 82
by Seth on Dec 21, 2011 10:13 PM EST
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PrintThat's it! That's the preseason! The Knicks still didn't look sharp in tonight's win, but there were fine moments and plenty of things to be excited about. Take the jump for a few very quick notes.
- Carmelo Anthony was once again the closest thing the Knicks had to a competent point guard. He made some gorgeous feeds, both facing the action and with his back to the basket. We saw some stuff in the pick-and-roll, a slick feed to a cutting and dunking Renaldo Balkman (who's been splendid moving without the ball), and some nice feeds on the move.
- Oh and Melo had 21 points, mostly off isolation plays and neat drives. He looked considerably more in rhythm than in the previous game.
- Not so for Amar'e, whose jumper continued to look a bit shaky.
- Tyson Chandler looked more like the player the Knicks want him to be, with 12 rebounds (6 offensive) and quite a bit of defense and pointing and yelling and stuff.
- Renaldo Balkman continued his campaign for playing time, finishing nicely around the rim and gettin' after loose balls like a madman. Nobody Hustles Harder™. My favorite play of Balkman's was when he snaggled a rebound ferociously, and then couldn't control his ferocity and whipped a two-seam fastball of an outlet pass at Devin Green's hip.
- Toney Douglas got his shot going, but hardly did any point guarding (there was one nice P 'n' R with Chandler) and couldn't stay in front of Deron Williams for two consecutive seconds. He really did shoot nicely, though.
- Iman Shumpert sure does like to shoot off the dribble! That improved shot selection we've all been excited about was nowhere to be seen in this one. His defense was much sharper than Douglas's, though.
- Josh Harrellson, who appears to be serious about shooting jumpers (a few swishes, a few airballs), had some truly excellent moments on defense. My favorite was when he found himself mismatched on Marshon Brooks, harassed him out to three point line, then just dove on the ball mid-dribble and started the break the other way. Between that and his hijacking of a rebound in the previous game, it's becoming evident that Jorts has little respect for the property of others. I love that. I love Jorts.
- Landry Fields was quiet, but did look a bit more comfortable on offense. He was less tentative off the dribble and generally made catches in more opportune locations.
- (Jorts might not have very good hands. Jury's still out. I love Jorts either way.)
- The Garden crowd booed Kris Humphries mercilessly in the first half, then chanted "WE WANT HUMPHRIES" in the fourth quarter. I missed the Garden crowd.
- Bill Pidto: "Dwight Howard requested a trade to the Heat. JUST KIDDING!". Second halftime in a row in which he's made a joke like that one.
- Hey Devin Green! Nice job out there! Much better than the last game! Great passes! Great shooting! Great defense! Devin Green!
- No Jerome Jordan, no Chris Hunter.
And, well, that's the preseason. The games count from now on, which is both wonderful and horrifying. This team still has holes, but they move the ball nicely, they like to defend, and they're just really fun to watch. This season's going to be bananas.
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"My thing is just play defense, just make everybody else better"
Guess who said this post game? CAMELO ANTHONY! Keep it up!!!
that is such an EXCELLENT quote
i am really excited how he is taking the criticisms to heart and trying to work on his flaws this season
Anxiously awaiting the day my username will be appropriate
Melo doesn't get the respect as a player he deserve around here a lot of the time imo
"I’m gonna climb up you today, Stat! No layups!" - Dump
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ONE NATION UNDER AL
Respect the reputation or it's an altercation.
Melo is saying things now that 1 year ago
would have seemed totally out of character.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
I'm gonna jort a pair of my jeans.
I saw a kid wearing them the other day and thought they were wack as hell, but my opinion is changing.
Stainer of mountaintops.
by Chairman Meow on Dec 21, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
everybody is going to be wearing them in nyc this winter
and sporting the 5 o’clock shadow / pot belly combo
"Why does green mean that's the color green? Why can't you say another word for green being green? Know what i'm saying?" - Stephon
by ny knickerbocker on Dec 21, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
don't remind me.
"Why does green mean that's the color green? Why can't you say another word for green being green? Know what i'm saying?" - Stephon
by ny knickerbocker on Dec 21, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
Sippin' on Pabst
Stainer of mountaintops.
by Chairman Meow on Dec 21, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
It's bout to be New Jorts City up in this piece!!!
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Dec 21, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
somebody needs to make that their user name
"Why does green mean that's the color green? Why can't you say another word for green being green? Know what i'm saying?" - Stephon
by ny knickerbocker on Dec 21, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
Shump shump did not foul them.
"As much as I respect and admire Bill Belichick, I came here to kick his a**, and that’s the truth." - Rex Ryan
now lets go get a goddamn snack.
by JETSFANF0RLYF3 on Dec 21, 2011 10:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions
PRECIATE THAT, ROOK
"Why does green mean that's the color green? Why can't you say another word for green being green? Know what i'm saying?" - Stephon
by ny knickerbocker on Dec 21, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
As horrific as this game was on the eyes...
I thoroughly enjoyed that 2nd half.
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by Jesus-Zilla on Dec 21, 2011 10:23 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Get used to it. D'antoni is committed to winning ugly in order to get an extension. Remember we are New York fans
and we are supposed to love ugly and otherwise unwatchable basketball. Seriously, if this was the Bucks vs. the Kings i would have turned this game off in the second quarter. Millionaire basketball players are supposed to be able to shoot, dribble and pass. There were too many sustained periods of time where no one looked like they could do any of the above. But hey pat Riley’s Knicks were famous for going 8 minutes without successfully completing two passes in a row let alone scoring baskets and they won plenty and we loved Riley for it. If D’Antoi can win 7 out of every 10 games playing this ugly ass ball, you guys will all love him and Berman will be hyping him for coach of the year. Hell even Stephen A. Smith will be caught saying, that D’Antoni has finally learned how to coach the game of basketball! Only in NY can a fan base actually desire that an owner spend 70 million on a team and that it should actually be desired that said team not be able to score 100 pts in 48 mins.
by Robert Curre on Dec 22, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
I remember watching those Riley and Van Gundy teams
They’d be up by 5, and would proceed to play what seemed to be an interminable stretch of sloppy, stagnant basketball where they couldn’t get a decent shot up. And then I would check the score and they’d still by up by 5.
It was miraculous.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
Sorry but i am old enough to remember a time when Knicks teams could play great defense
and still score 100 pts a game. Most of you guys never saw Red’s teams play, but i am telling you watching that Knicks team play is what made me fall in love with basketball. The tenacious team focused defense, the quick precision passes on offense to open men coming off curls or cutting to the basket for open shots. The fact that they made those shots. The Knicks were actually fun to watch. Hell even Rick Pitino’s Knicks were fun to watch, then Pat Riley came to town and we got slow, ugly offensively challenged basketball and now we are stuck with a fan base that will only accept that as good basketball. last season D’Antoni would win a game 120-115 and you turn on WFAN or ESPN 1050 and you would swear the Knicks just got beat by 40! People were calling for the dude to be fired after wins! How much Praise were folks on this site heaping on Tommy Thibs last year, even though his team couldn’t score more points that the top high school team in Chicago last season, with the league MVP on their roster. And people were saying we should have hired that dude instead of Mike because he is a great coach! Team can’t break 90 points with the league MVP, another player on pace to crack 20,000 career points and a third on pace to score 15,000. Hubie Brown routinely scored 100 pts a game with a Knick team comprised of dudes we literally got off the fucking street! Yet we say that winning a professional basketball game 77-73 as the Bulls did last season is great basketball! Sure is if Illinios is playing Michigan State! Not when the Bulls are playing the Pistons!
by Robert Curre on Dec 22, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Totally agree with you here
I’m a little too young to remember watching Red’s teams, but I do think that D’antoni shares more in common with Red Holzman than most NBA coaches do today.
My dad was always cursing at the Knicks since I was a tot but the Hubie Brown knicks were the first team that really caught my eye, and I fell in love with basketball watching the Pitino Knicks. Those guys were both innovators.
Most coaches want to control what their team is doing at all times, but D’antoni likes to put them in position and let them figure it out. I find it refreshing and I’m still a D’antoni fan.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
Music
to my ears. I feel the same way. Tired of reading and hearing all the rips on D’Antoni for understanding that the goal is to outscore the other team — not necessarily to win games by scores like 88 – 83. Running the other team out of the gym is an effective and entertaining way to do that. Outlet passes, fast breaks — that’s the game! But it seems like he has been worn down by all the criticism, the lack of support from on high, and even the players’ lack of belief in a system that is good for anyone who likes to play freewheeling, improvisational basketball. I feel like one of the few pro-D’Antoni fans, and I wish he would be even more radical and try to institute his old 7 seconds or less offense. The Red Holtzman offensive motto was “Hit the open man” — which is exactly right. If Landry has the best look at the basket, Landry must take the shot. I am hoping not to see a lot of isolation plays for Carmelo this year. Can’t stand that crap.
I thought you weren't a fan of Mike D'antoni and wanted Thibs instead?
I grew up with the Riley Knicks, so a Knicks team that doesn’t play obnoxious defense just doesn’t seem right, but I often feel like I’m one of the few D’antoni supporters on this site. I think he’s a Top 5 coach in the league and can have great success now that he has a stable team. Unfortunately he was put in a lame duck position this year and I’m afraid he’ll have to face Coughlin-esque “This game is a must-win if Dantoni wants to keep his job!!” kind of bullshit situation. I heard a senior exec with the Giants telling the media (paraphrase)“Coughlin hasn’t saved his job as often as you guys have said he has.” Same thing with D’antoni, but that’s the NY media for you.
I really hope that with a big season this year that the media doesn’t start calling for Woodson or (goddammit) Phil Jackson to take over the team because that’s more than unfair to D’antoni considering what he’s had to deal with starting Day 1. I want him to continue to coach this team and have a chance to show what he can do with a team that stays with him as well for more than half a fucking season. I also can’t wait to see the media crack on him for finally having a team that’s better than an average(by definition) defense even though this is the first year in NY that he’ll have a team with the personnel capable of actually being a defensive team.
Fish Fingers give me a break.
thing is we always had unfair wants and we want them now rather than waiting for it.
the way i see it it didn’t click to anyone of us that eddie curry would still be eddie curry and marbury would sulk. like anyone can do miracles with that lineup but looking at things now it’s just now that he’s got the pieces he wants and we still want him out. but i ain’t talkin’ about a collective we it’s just that we as a fanbase got crazy shit in our heads and let it get over… love being a knicks fan but you ain’t a knicks fan if you haven’t done that. hence i understand the fanbase no slight on you man but it is what it is
Victory goes to the courageous!!
I'm a Knicks fan to the apple core. Hope you know that.
I just don’t like that the Dantoni’s always on the hot seat even as all the pundits recognize that he came into a rebuilding strat during his first two years, and a “big-as-you-can-get” roster overhaul last year.
Have people already forgotten how good his Phoenix teams were and the circumstances that surrounded his club’s disappointing exits? That Spurs/Suns WCF’s WAS the Finals. I also don’t think he’s that stubborn/stupid to stick to his guns/system beyond all reason just to prove his haters wrong. He’s a basketball coach. I, for one, believe he’s adaptable to the talent he has and can maximize the talent available. Who’s the coach people want(other than the not gonna happen Phil Jackson) to replace him? I want to see his out of timeout plays be better, but other than that can you really blame him for Amare’s cluelessness on defense? For our team’s inability to rebound? I know he wants the leak out, but at a certain point the players have to have some culpability in the team’s weaknesses. I mean D’antoni can’t put on some Stockton shorts and start boxing out.
I just wish he’d give Walker more of a shot. I irrationally love that guy.
Fish Fingers give me a break.
it's the situation that we are in bro we want results and we want 'em now...
because the sad thing is we are irrational with expectations ( not you or some though) most of us. i do hope that we learn how to temper expectations and yes more bully would be great
Victory goes to the courageous!!
Damn dude I was just happy to see the rooks and friends get extended minutes.
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- Mitch Hedberg
by Jesus-Zilla on Dec 23, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
No Extension Baby!
He is gone no matter how well they do.
At eight million per year he is so overrated along with his staff.
Root for M.Woodson next year to run the show towards future NBA Championships.
This
Mike D’Antoni: "Jorts is DIRT strong. He can shoot. There’s a lot of good things. He’s a very smart basketball player.
I wish I was dirt strong.
haha
I don’t even know what that means
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Dec 21, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
I love how they keep calling him smart
Chandler said that too. If Jorts is smart and Jorts can shoot from range, Jorts can play in the NBA. This is shaping up as a very nice second round pick.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
i remember back in june or so when we were asking donnie for more after this pick...
Victory goes to the courageous!!
Jorts seems to like being called "Jorts"
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I ordered a shirt for my dad
And got an email back from ‘Admin@jorts55.com’. That was so awesome.
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Oh. My. God.
You can buy jorts with a Jorts logo from Jorts’ website.
I found your Chanukkah present, Seth…
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by Chris Child's Fist on Dec 22, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
You can also buy actual Jorts
Emblazoned with the embroidered signature of Jorts himself.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
Jorts is rising and enterprising
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Dec 22, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
been a long time since i posted here...
but shump reminded me of starks both good and bad
Victory goes to the courageous!!
well
i wouldn’t mind another john starks at pg. he would be our best pg since…john starks.
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i mean i love starks more than any historical knick other than the 99 versions of sprewell and campy
but a point guard he was not. never started at the position, guarded jordan and reggie, just…not a point guard.
"Why does green mean that's the color green? Why can't you say another word for green being green? Know what i'm saying?" - Stephon
by ny knickerbocker on Dec 21, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
*camby
"Why does green mean that's the color green? Why can't you say another word for green being green? Know what i'm saying?" - Stephon
by ny knickerbocker on Dec 21, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
all that being said, i DO use him as the point guard in nba 2k12
"Why does green mean that's the color green? Why can't you say another word for green being green? Know what i'm saying?" - Stephon
by ny knickerbocker on Dec 21, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
Marbury may have been a headcase
but he was a pretty good PG who did manage to lead a really crappy team to the playoffs in ’04.
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by bluecheese999 on Dec 21, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
This is true
Marbury deserves the shit he gets from us, BUT… he was an amazing player. There are very few players I’ve seen in my life who could get into the lane at will or pass the way Marbury could. Before everything went south (mostly before he came to the Knicks), he was incredible to watch.
its true
marbury was a special talent. too bad he had special needs. maybe he can come back one day.
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fuck no, he was a great talent and can't hate too much on a fellow Knicks fan
but his ego just didn’t allow it. He was the original “Comin Home” and thought that meant he could put on a LeBron scepter and run shit.
Nah man.
Fish Fingers give me a break.
starks as previously mentioned is a shooting guard
if shump keeps his shot selection but makes it he’ll have a nice paycheck as a 6th man but seriously i want shump to take less bad shots as it is.
Victory goes to the courageous!!
John Starks never played point guard tho?
by Robert Curre on Dec 22, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
I think David Lee had more assists/gm than Starks
I LOVE Starks. Don’t get it twisted. But PG? This is literally the first time I ever even considered that concept in my mind.
Fish Fingers give me a break.
been a long time since i posted here too!
but shump reminded me of… nate! he seems to get caught up in the moment a little too much. it looked to me like landry didnt appreciate his illadvised shot selection. but.. it is just preseason!
by rickybrunson on Dec 21, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
nate?
yeah with that shot selection but with that d and conscience (or lack thereof) reminded me of starks more
Victory goes to the courageous!!
oh i love the tenacity on D
he went over the screens on the pick n rolls too! refreshing to see that
by rickybrunson on Dec 21, 2011 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
i don't care what you say
i like your screen name
"Why does green mean that's the color green? Why can't you say another word for green being green? Know what i'm saying?" - Stephon
by ny knickerbocker on Dec 21, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
I couldnt believe the name wasnt taken when I made the account.
i didnt have to make it rickybrunson9845643248
by rickybrunson on Dec 21, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
Bringing new meaning to the phrase 'double team'
Stainer of mountaintops.
by Chairman Meow on Dec 21, 2011 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
he is certainly as tenacious as Mr Starks
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Dec 21, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
Great interview with Jorts
Hustle is the operative word
by SweatbandProliferation on Dec 21, 2011 10:35 PM EST reply actions
Something I noticed and this was in the first game as well,
from the looks of it, Woodsons defense is a mid court hard trap type based out of like a 2-2-1. I dont know if thats like their defensive scheme or what, but it looks like thats alot of what they want to do. Or if not trap, then at the very least, funnel them along into the paint where the Tyson is waitin…
That was one of the ugliest games of basketball I've ever seen
So glad the preseason is over, can’t wait for Christmas.
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Hate to say it but the basketball isn't gonna get miraculously better once the season begins
We’ve probably got another two weeks of ugly basketball ahead of us
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How was the performance tonight?
Was is that bad??
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Yea, but it'll be nice to play real teams like the Celtics
And actually be focused on winning, having our starters play the whole game, etc.
Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump
Try an entire season.
You don’t get pretty basketball without polished offense. And you don’t get polished offense without practicing it. No one has even noticed that the Knicks have not only slowed way down, but D’Antoni is running a completely different offense. He is banking on winning ugly, because you cannot slow down and change your offense and spend like 15 mins a practice on it and expect that to click. But that is what D’Antoni was criticized for not doing in the past. Preach defense, Practice defense, and preach defense some more. The Knicks in these two pre-season games literally looked like a group of guys who got together at the rec center on offense about 65% of the time. But that is what happens when you use games to actually practice your offense.
by Robert Curre on Dec 22, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
i have bad news for u
preseason might carry over into the reg season
by blackhova on Dec 21, 2011 10:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
the "We Want Humphries" chants
i think they wanted him to get back in the game so they can boo him… im all for it
by blackhova on Dec 21, 2011 10:40 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Hollinger just called the Celtics bench better than ours on twitter
Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump
hollinger also just called his own head of hair better than fabio's
"Why does green mean that's the color green? Why can't you say another word for green being green? Know what i'm saying?" - Stephon
by ny knickerbocker on Dec 21, 2011 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
He's going off on the knicks because Knick fans are complaining about the wins he predicted for us
Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump
This is what he twat
“Wow … lot of angry Knicks fans out there. Picking a 42-40 team to go 35-31 is madness.”
Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump
well...the immediate response would have to be
that 42-40 team is pretty much a completely different squad…full season of melo, tyson chandler, baron eventually joining up…it’s just not a basis for comparison
"Why does green mean that's the color green? Why can't you say another word for green being green? Know what i'm saying?" - Stephon
by ny knickerbocker on Dec 21, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
He'll be proven wrong 3/4 of the way through...
when we already have 36 wins.
He loves it.
He’s a self-professed “Jersey boy”. After looking at where Hollinger put the Knicks this year in the East….I mean I have nothing else to say. I’ll eat a shitload of crow if we really end up 7th in the East, but what? Really dude?
Fish Fingers give me a break.
and because women at bars don't know who he is
and he walks home again to an empty apartment, except for a desk with a calculator and a petrovic bobble head
"Why does green mean that's the color green? Why can't you say another word for green being green? Know what i'm saying?" - Stephon
by ny knickerbocker on Dec 21, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
Hollinger is kind of annoying
I actually don’t think the Celtics will even get homecourt this year. I very well could be wrong, but injured Pierce already, no Jeff Green, Rondo, Garnett, Allen, O’Neal, Bass, Daniels, Dooling and Wilcox, is not a team I’m particularly afraid of. Especially in a season like this.
Then again, they could very well prove me wrong. They are the Celtics
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well looking at their roster
they have a lil tank of gas left but that’s about it but ruling the roost at out division? nope
Victory goes to the courageous!!
He picked the Celts to have 8 more wins than us this year
and in our section of the article wrote: “wrong season to have a thin bench and brittle stars”
Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump
what was he drinking or smoking?
that is one sweet drug he has there…
Victory goes to the courageous!!
He apparently picked Philly to finish ahead of us
Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump
because he does the math?
Victory goes to the courageous!!
i dunno with him but his stats are great but his prediction using stats is not...
can’t predict it all with sport using numbers
Victory goes to the courageous!!
I kinda doubt he even writes his prediction columns
and if he does, he half asses it because honestly that’s a medium which is below him
TYBG
by The Rooster on Dec 21, 2011 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
Hollinger did correctly call the Mavs and heat in the finals last year.
Tho he had the heat winning in five.
by Robert Curre on Dec 22, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
I recall hollinger throwing some serious hate toward the Mavs before the playoffs even started though
Because they had a bad point differential
Anxiously awaiting the day my username will be appropriate
offensively it's pretty good
But his PER completely ignores defense (except blocks, steals, rebounds). So Chandler has minimal value. I use a formula that combines his PER with expected team defense rank to come to a much more accurate estimate.
What's your take on Wins Produced?
TYBG
by The Rooster on Dec 21, 2011 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
same shit
Better for projecting team wins the next season, but worse at determining who helps a team win. High efficiency big men who would be useless without a good guard are overrated to such a high degree that it will say David Lee is better than Dirk Nowitzki or something equally ridiculous.
I think winshares is pretty good
But of course you do have to factor in teammates and how their skills complement.
I especially like winshares because Jorts was, like, the #10 prospect in the draft using that methodology.
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yo mindfeeeck
why don’t you do some fan posts? you love to talk stats, but it’s been a while since i’ve seen you put one out there. would like to see what you think about this year’s squad from a defensive perspective in particular, from both a historical statistical standpoint as well as projecting potential systematic changes.
"Why does green mean that's the color green? Why can't you say another word for green being green? Know what i'm saying?" - Stephon
by ny knickerbocker on Dec 21, 2011 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
that was so time consuming
There was a year between posts on my own site. I’m not gonna take the time to build up another spreadsheet.
Honestly
I find his writing better when he doesn’t go much into stats at all. He sometimes has some good, honest, common sense but against the grain things to say. But most of his statistical work is superficial BS, and he then takes it a step further by using it for projection when what use it has is mostly in assessing past performance, and then he totally loses the plot.
Bottom line – I had ESPN Insider for a while, and no, I do not think Hollinger’s writing is worth paying for. Some of his statistical work was moderately useful, but there are free sites out there now with better stuff.
The best stat was when he projected Ty Lawson to be a top PG
And I said he’d be a good PG, and the Knicks didn’t take him. Hollinger’s analysis of intangibles is extremely anti-Knick. He mostly ignores defense except to say the Knicks are bad at it.
He only replied to ?'s that made no sense.
What makes that prediction so bad is that he predicted us 7th off injury concerns and our bench. But he put the Celtics 3rd!? They are the oldest team in the league and have a worst bench then us.
Shump Shump Yall !!
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Literally just unfollowed that fool
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with a smile a mile wide!
"Why does green mean that's the color green? Why can't you say another word for green being green? Know what i'm saying?" - Stephon
by ny knickerbocker on Dec 21, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
ps internal rhyming is cool
"Why does green mean that's the color green? Why can't you say another word for green being green? Know what i'm saying?" - Stephon
by ny knickerbocker on Dec 21, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
Well, there's a reason last year's finals featured the Heat and Mavericks and not Houston and Milwaukee
Stars win championships. If efficiency guys were efficient enough to win championships they’d be stars.
Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump
But he'll give way too much credit to guys who can score
Unless if they’re really old. I forget if he overvalued JJ Barea.
It’s not like Milwaukee was efficient. Jennings is their PG. Come on. And you know the Rockets greatly overachieved because their guys were low in star power.
It's not so much about Stars/Efficiency
It’s about avoiding weak link in the skills chain for 48 minutes on the floor. The Knicks should be able to do that better than most teams.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
I'll say it as nicely as I can
But Shump was sorta pissing me off in that second half. He was chucking at will taking bad shots. I like controlled Shump who attacks the paint and makes opponents pay from the outside when they slack off
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i hear ya
but you have to ‘preciate that he picked d-will’s pocket in back-to-back games.
"Why does green mean that's the color green? Why can't you say another word for green being green? Know what i'm saying?" - Stephon
by ny knickerbocker on Dec 21, 2011 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
he's a rookie
he’ll do that from time to time especially when frustrated. He’ll wanna revert back to what he feels comfortable with.
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Dec 21, 2011 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
Lovin Shump and Jorts.
Memo to Shump: mid-range, pull-up Js are now a penalty. Commitance of this penalty results in immediate ejection and a four game suspension. In addition, you will be relagated to a strick vitamins and water diet; and you will be subject to random, unannounced “code reds” from any and all Knick fans where ever you may be.
by Crackback on Dec 21, 2011 10:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions
jorts
has a sam perkins-esque set shot three.
by rickybrunson on Dec 21, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
sam perkins graduated from my high school
yeah, I could live with that
i went to preschool with lindsey lohan
by rickybrunson on Dec 21, 2011 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
Walt Frazier is my grandpa!
And Amar’e Stoudemire is my dad
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"I’m gonna climb up you today, Stat! No layups!" - Dump
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by Ozraider on Dec 21, 2011 11:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
were you in a bathroom?
"Why does green mean that's the color green? Why can't you say another word for green being green? Know what i'm saying?" - Stephon
by ny knickerbocker on Dec 21, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
it was in an ally in Vegas
he had a bevy of bad bitches with him
"I’m gonna climb up you today, Stat! No layups!" - Dump
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did u cross streams?
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 21, 2011 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
not streams
swords
"I’m gonna climb up you today, Stat! No layups!" - Dump
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didn't get the ghostbusters reference do we?
Victory goes to the courageous!!
no i got it
just wanted to be factual
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by Ozraider on Dec 22, 2011 5:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I always liked Sam Perkins
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 21, 2011 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
I just hope Jorts doesn't settle for the three as often as he did
swing that shit man. I know those airballs are in your head. They’re in mine, too.
Fish Fingers give me a break.
Until he hits 10 in a row and throws up 30 then you will call him a beast.
I told you the boy needs coaching, he needs to learn what a good shot is from a bad one. It is even harder for a guy like him because he actually has enough talent that he will get some really god awful shots to go down.
by Robert Curre on Dec 22, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
He'll get it this season.
Or at least I hope he will. If he keeps playing like he did that 2nd pre-season game, he’s gonna hear it from everyone from Berman on down to the latest registered member of this blog.
Fish Fingers give me a break.
I wonder if Mike D'Antoni was sincere in his most recent quote saying we'd go 10-11 deep because of the shortened season.
It’ll be interesting because D’Antoni has been known for his short rotations but with the shorter, condensed season and how our players like 7-12 all offer something different. After Melo, Amar’e, Tyson, Douglas, Landry and arguably Shumpert you could see any or all of the rest of the guys being considered worthy of minutes.
I’m glad to see Jorts doing so great in pre-season, it sounds like he’s earned his spot in the rotation. It’ll be interesting to see if Balkman plays. If we truly play 10-11 deep, I could definitely see him getting burn (ha?). I just hope D’Antoni doesn’t go with Novak over Balkman just because of shooting, Humpty’s rebounding and cutting are just as necessary as Novak’s shooting. Then again, they could both get minutes. Also, it seems like Balkman and Melo have some great chemistry. Balkman cuts well similarly to Nene which is something Melo is good at, hitting the open cutter (despite Pruiti’s article, I’ve seen with my own eyes, Carmelo can and will hit the open cutter), also they’ve been teammates for a few years now (even if Balkman barely played in Denver).
it is going to be such a condensed schedule
i think its going to force dantoni to play a lot of guys. If not he’s really risking injuries by burning guys out. I hope he gives balkman meaningful minutes. I love his energy and even though he looks like he’s sleeping he’s really alert on defense and actually makes his rotations.
by rickybrunson on Dec 21, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
even when balkman looks sleepy
his eyelids read “hustle harder,” so yeah, i’m all in on him being a rotation player
"Why does green mean that's the color green? Why can't you say another word for green being green? Know what i'm saying?" - Stephon
by ny knickerbocker on Dec 21, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
i think balkman finally got it
Victory goes to the courageous!!
You guys don't seem to know who coaches the Knicks at all.
He began last season playing 11 guys, that got shortened to 8 when the team started out 3-8 and people were calling for his head. He went to 8 guys and won enough games to save his ass and arguably the season, but by the time of the Carmelo trade he was back up to playing 10 guys. After the trade he played 8 guys twice (once because Turiaf was injured) 10 guys 14 times and 11 guys 10 times and 12 guys twice. So he had as many games after the trade where he played all 12 players who dressed for the game as he had games where he only played 8. So where does this idea that he will only play 8 guys come from.
by Robert Curre on Dec 22, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
yeah Dantoni will reach into the bag during the season when his usual mix isn't spicy enough.
It’s up to the players we champion to earn that time. I hope to God Balkman keeps up this maniac energy he’s playing with and tones down the retarded shit he’s already done. I’m really rooting for him to help us with F depth this season.
Fish Fingers give me a break.
What a night at the garden
i cant wait to mercilessly chant ‘we want humphries (clap-clap-clapclapclap)’ all day at work tomorrow over the tea ill need to soothe my throat after cheering for JORTS- do I need to get a brand new jersey?
…well actually I do since my baby Landry gots a new number….
Hello Lovers the NY Knicks are back
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yes...a new jersey, it should be made of all jeans to match the jorts
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Dec 21, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
Iman just tweeted;
“Ugly night but those are the wins that show the character of the team…time to prepare for Boston! Thank u to the Home Crowd!! #NYKallday”
Good to see him acknowledging he had a bad game.
Stainer of mountaintops.
PRECIATE THAT, ROOK.
i’ll never get tired of writing that.
"Why does green mean that's the color green? Why can't you say another word for green being green? Know what i'm saying?" - Stephon
by ny knickerbocker on Dec 21, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
I like that kid
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Dec 21, 2011 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
just don't take dumb shots!
Anxiously awaiting the day my username will be appropriate
Based on what he followed with...
I’m not sure if he was acknowledging that he himself had a bad night or just that the team had a bad night but was still able to pull out a win (and show character).
Bill Simmons actually talks up the knicks in his most recent podcast, which i almost didn't listen to
predicting 43 wins for us, and praises our recent additions.
"Why does green mean that's the color green? Why can't you say another word for green being green? Know what i'm saying?" - Stephon
by ny knickerbocker on Dec 21, 2011 11:30 PM EST reply actions
Speaking of which, has anyone read his book?
I’m getting it for Christmas, and I look forward to reading it. His Boston bias isn’t to thrilling though.
Stainer of mountaintops.
by Chairman Meow on Dec 21, 2011 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
that's my only beef with him
he seems funny for me though
Victory goes to the courageous!!
currently his boston bias is leaning towards extreme pessimism
so i respect him for that
"Why does green mean that's the color green? Why can't you say another word for green being green? Know what i'm saying?" - Stephon
by ny knickerbocker on Dec 21, 2011 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
he has every right when every year removes their big 3's window
Victory goes to the courageous!!
it's very, very good if you like basketball history
Sign Hong-Chih Kuo, Trade for Peter Bourjos
by tehzachatak on Dec 21, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
Definitely
Sometimes I think his ideas about the current NBA are just beyond bizarre, but I love his opinions on basketball history.
He's probably the best basketball columnist right now. He does a great job of making observations and making funny/ witty comments.
But his biases do turn me off of a lot of his work.
I actually like his Boston bias
because he’s honest about it. He always admits that he’s speaking as a boston fan and when he’s being biased against a team because he’s a boston fan. So much of ESPN is so biased and they never admit it. Plus it’s a perspective I understand. As a yankees fan with a lot of red sox fan friends who love to tease and rib each other I enjoy it. Whenever we crush the Sox I look forward to his calls to JackO.
His main problem is he’s not very good with analogies and his humor can be good at times, but is often trite and cloying.
Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump
The basketball book?
Yeah I’ve read it. I think it’s good. It isn’t too Boston biased.
What I like about Simmons is that even though he is a Boston fan at heart, he is conscious about this and is able to check his frame of reference. This is something Skip Bayless is notoriously poor at.
And Simmons knows his stuff.
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
i like bill simmons
he is as obsessed as we are lol. i think we take similar views of the game. he is not a tiptop basketball mind though.
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http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7377792/report-kenyon-martin-severs-ties-xinjiang-flying-tigers
i know he’s a bit of a jerk, but i’d love to see him on our team; it would be a major addition compared to anybody else out there on the market.
"Why does green mean that's the color green? Why can't you say another word for green being green? Know what i'm saying?" - Stephon
by ny knickerbocker on Dec 21, 2011 11:59 PM EST reply actions
but jorts' playing time :(
Victory goes to the courageous!!
oh i'd still hope to see minutes from jorts / humpty
just remove JJ from the equation.
"Why does green mean that's the color green? Why can't you say another word for green being green? Know what i'm saying?" - Stephon
by ny knickerbocker on Dec 22, 2011 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
I'll say it again
I really hate Kenyon Martin. Is he ‘Dirt Strong’? Didn’t think so.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
Kenyon Martin? Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
he's out of his deal
but still can’t sign a contract until his (playoff bound) team’s season is officially over.
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that kinda makes me not wanna sign him…he didn’t wanna play even though he’d have to wait to be in the NBA anyway?
well...
my guess is he’ll appeal to the FIBA people and see whether the chinese team wants to really mix it up.
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the chinese assocation (cba???)
might not want to mess with FIBA for reasons bigger than keeping kenyon martin on the sidelines.
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assuming he does get on a slow boat out of china
what other teams both can and would offer him what we can (2.5m)? i don’t see him being as important of an addition to any other team, except maybe the lakers.
"Why does green mean that's the color green? Why can't you say another word for green being green? Know what i'm saying?" - Stephon
by ny knickerbocker on Dec 22, 2011 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
pretty much everybody has the 2.5
i don’t know if anyone used it. but there’s also the teams that are under the cap. and can offer whatever they please. and denver absolutely needs help. so there’s them. tough to say what goes on in kenyon’s brain.
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regarding your last sentence
true that. true that. he has a tattoo of lips on his neck, after all.
"Why does green mean that's the color green? Why can't you say another word for green being green? Know what i'm saying?" - Stephon
by ny knickerbocker on Dec 22, 2011 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
i'd be all ears if i felt there was a better option out there
and the moment that aaron brooks or wilson chandler becomes available, i’d be all about those additions…but they’re both restricted free agents, even if they are released by their chinese teams.
"Why does green mean that's the color green? Why can't you say another word for green being green? Know what i'm saying?" - Stephon
by ny knickerbocker on Dec 22, 2011 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
yea they won't sign a mini-mid level deal
denver and whoever brooks plays for would match that. they probably just sign their qualifying offers and become unrestricted thereafter.
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Even if there's no better option, KMart is not a good option
KMart never became a responsible role player or player off the bench, he always wanted to be “the man”. He was never a supportive influence off the bench.
KMart is over 30 and he still needs to grow up. His adventure in China shows he still has not grown up. Toxic alert, don’t bring him anywhere near this team.
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
it was china
I don’t blame him, nothing wrong with China but sometimes you wanna kick it in your own country and not eat weird shit
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Dec 22, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
For minimal dollars, it can't hurt
But he’s quite overrated IMO. Highly reliant on athleticism and he’s now 34. Not much in the way of offensive skills, and his best defensive days were with the Nets many moons ago.
I don't want him at all...
even if for minimal dollars. We’d start to feel so much more like a constructed fantasy team with the names more than a team with good chemistry. And I just get the feeling that somewhere along the line he wouldn’t be happy with the playing time he’d get.
But unless things change with his current situation, it’s not a decision we have to make that quickly so we’ll have the chance to see how our backup bigs do.
true, there's two reasonable options for him that could work
A crappy team where he can start and be his usual jerk-self (satisfy his ego)
or Boston where him and his toxic attitude will get grandma slapped by Garnett until he at least pretends to behave
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
that game was pretty ugly
you have to hope it’ll get prettier once people start getting jumpers in rhythm (specifically landry and amare)
iman is going to have to cool it with the stupid shots. he is not that great a shooter. he should limit himself to drives and in rhythm threes until his game develops more
jorts might be the best post defender on this team . . .
and i can’t wait for baron davis to get healthy!
Anxiously awaiting the day my username will be appropriate
Yes. I think if this game proved anything, it's just how necessary Baron is.
Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump
I dig on Jorts...
but he’s better than Tyson Chandler as a Post Defender?
watching espn this morning and HUMPTY made the Top 10
at #10
by blackhova on Dec 22, 2011 7:54 AM EST via mobile reply actions
D'Antoni As The Jerk/Coach
Great team effort even though thes truggle shooting the ball was there.
The key though was the effort.
Now I ask the question are we going watch the Jerk/Coach do the samething he did last year?
I.Shumpert should be starting asap at the two guard. He helps T.Douglas with his ball handling and defense. I hope D’Antoni does not wait until twenty games into the season before he makes this move. Just like last year with his stubborn B.S. coaching playing Gallinari and screwing over W.Chandler.
L.Fields belongs in the second unit as backup to Carmelo. To robotic to play the two spot and a marginal ball handler.
Let’s Go Knicks!
I don't even disagree with some of your points
but the way you present them makes it hard to get past your tone and get into the actual information and opinion. Cool it with the Coach bashing.
for real
but just pretend he means steve martin’s the jerk.
but hey, dizeez, d’antoni has already talked about the starting guard positions being in flux. so your know it all nonsense is moot.
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hahaha yeah
that was the first thing i thought of, the steve martin movie
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IS IT?
Rmember how waited 23 games last year to accomodate your Gallinari.
I don’t want the same happening this year waiting for Shumpert to start ahead of Fileds.
You do know there is only 66 games this year.
So stop crying and defending D’Antoni becuase he is not hte answer as our coach and his staff of clowns.
i totally just imagined pringles
letting his mustache grow to his waist and carrying a staff with shrunken heads shishkabobbed on it like a bloody totem pole. each head with it’s face painted in a different nba team’s colors.
i know more than you about everything in the universe, дебил.
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Wilson Chandler did his best work of his career coming off the bench for us.
Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump
Shump should not be starting yet at all...
he seems to enjoy taking his shot and I’d prefer him not taking them away from Melo and Amare as part of the first unit. Put him on the second unit where the offense is needed a bit more. He can create for himself as part of the reserves, which I feel he is better at doing than Landry.
So keeping Landry as part of the first team where he won’t have as much pressure to score and having Shump roll with the second is the way to go at this point.
i hear you
but i wonder if he’s on the floor with amar’e and carmelo, if he feels the pressure to be more gratuitous. also, it seems like shump’s defense is significantly ahead of landry’s.
i’m happy either way, just playing devil’s advocate.
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Shump-Shump feel pressure?
Didn’t think so. lol
I see what you’re saying… and I’m sure he’ll still get plenty of time playing beside them both. If in those times he does improve his shot selection and defers to Melo and Stat as we’d probably want him to most times, maybe a starting spot could be in his future. I just wanna see that happen before inserting him as our starting 2.
DEFINITELY agreed about the defense tho. His is far ahead of Landry’s, so I could see him finished games for us when we face a tough 2-guard that was lighting us up (Ray Allen anyone?)
just occurred to me
that a shumpert and jeffries backcourt (i know, i know) might actually stifle the shit out of rondo and ray allen. rondo really struggles with jeffries, and ray allen is a god damn handful, but shumpert is probably our best perimeter defender.
again, not saying anything, just saying.
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I think it'd work
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Dec 22, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
if there's anyone that can be ridiculed for trying it
it’s d’antoni.
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I have no faith in Landry's D anymore
If Ray Allen is starting at the 2-guard, I want Iman at the 2.
If Dwayne Wade is starting at the 2-guard, I want Iman at the 2.
Landry laid an egg against the Celtics and honestly he lost his job by default there. I want to see what IMan can do. Let Landry get his feet back under him by running with the second unit. It will take the pressure off and he can get back to DWLFD
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
Again...
it ain’t really who starts, but it is who finishes. I’m fine with Shump being our defensive stopper on the perimeter at the ends of games as long as he knows he role at this point as a rookie.
Let Landry start for now and if his defense becomes a problem in the first quarter with the first unit (against good guards), make a switch then.
Geesh Clyde is glad that you were not a Knick fan the first time he got to the playoffs
Because you would have benched him for life and the Knicks would have never won a title.
by Robert Curre on Dec 22, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not saying bench him
I’m saying have him come off the bench…haha I know.
Landry doesn’t have chemistry with Melo or Stoudemire, and throwing him right back into the fire trying to chase around Ray Allen isn’t the best medicine.
I’m not giving up on him, but I tink Shumpert should start right now.
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