Knicks 106, Celtics 104: "Heart rate finally coming down."
by Seth on Dec 26, 2011 1:13 AM EST
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We've seen the Knicks lose that exact game quite a few times, including several against the Celtics last season. The frighteningly efficient start, second half doldrums, and fourth quarter comeback became all too familiar last year, and they almost always ended in heart-rending defeat. So, like Znell in the game thread, my pulse was racing through most of this one and took quite a while to subside. That prolonged Boston possession with the Knicks up two and seconds left on the clock was the worst. Even though Paul Pierce was sidelined, it seemed inevitable that a Ray Allen buzzer-beating three, a Kevin Garnett elbow jumper to send it into overtime, or some other cruel twist of fate would ruin our Christmases/sixth nights of Hannukah/Kwanzaa Eves.
But no! Marquis Daniels missed a three, Garnett rimmed out a second opportunity, and the buzzer sounded with the Knicks two points ahead. When we finally returned to breathin' and pumpin' blood like normal, healthy people, we had a win and a 1-0 team to reflect upon. Take the jump for some reflecting.
- Carmelo Anthony had himself a basketball game. There were a number of possessions in which Melo brought the ball up and created for himself and others off the dribble, but for the most part, he worked from his office on the right elbow. Matched up against the likes of Marquis Daniels and Sasha Pavlovic, Melo would catch with his back to the rim and either pull up or drift to the right corner to drill the jumper over whichever mediocre Celtic was humping his leg. That option comprised most of the Knicks' post-first quarter offense while Anthony was on the floor, including almost every successful fourth quarter possession. It worked pretty nicely, as Melo finished 10-17 from the field and scored 37 points. There was a certain bounce to Melo's game, and extended into his off-ball endeavors. He didn't play particularly brilliant defense, (nor was he really asked to, except as a helper) but snaggled a couple steals, challenged some shots, and and ripped down eight rowdy rebounds with, to my eye, a noticeable vivacity. Maybe I imagined that. Either way, Carmelo Anthony had himself a GAME.
- Oh yeah, a quick synopsis: The Knicks opened the afternoon passing like madmen (over-passing, at times) and hitting from every range at a remarkable clip. They led by as much as 17. In the second quarter, the Celtics increased their ball pressure, the Knicks struggled to adapt, and Rajon Rondo and Brandon Bass converted all kinds of bunnies to shift the momentum a bit. In the third quarter, everything I mentioned in the previous sentence happened like ninetyfold. There was a 22-2 run somewhere in there. It was unseemly. In the fourth, the Knicks started getting calls, Melo got hot, and the Celtics' double-digit lead gradually disintegrated. I liked the beginning and end parts. Not so much the middle parts.
- Fuckin' Rondo, man. That sneaky little weevil skittered to the rim over and over and over again, either because he cherry-picked and beat all the Knicks down court, or because Toney Douglas is a ghost or something. Really, it was like a traumatic flashback to last year's series where Douglas would either go over screens and get caught or go under screens and just...disappear. I cannot comprehend how Rondo kept getting to the rim. All I know is I wish he played in a different division.
- (It probably had something to do with Toney's foul trouble, but still...)
- Douglas, though. Not a great first outing. Toney had his moments of point guardliness, but either telegraphed or swallowed most of his assist opportunities. When the Celtics brought heavy pressure, Douglas pretty much curled up like an armadillo and let defenders slap him into submission. Predictably, Douglas only looked comfortable when creating his own shot, which he did more than any other Knick. Toney's 19 field goal attempts led the whole team, and he didn't supplement his shot poppin' with much drawn contact, attempting just two free throws. There were some heady drives and accurate jumpers in there, but they were counterbalanced by far too many short-armed pull-ups. Nineteen shots is too many shots for Toney Douglas, especially if he's only going to convert eight of them.
- The same probably goes for Iman Shumpert's thirteen attempts, but it sure felt like more of Shump's takes were quality opportunities that just rimmed out because of some rookie jitters. Either way, we won't be seeing Iman again for a few weeks, which really, really sucks, but doesn't suck nearly as much as I thought it would suck when I saw him grabbing at his knee.
- That Budweiser commercial is already annoying, but I do love that there was a real-life moment when Redfoo, Sky Blu, Luke Wilson, Emmanuelle Chiriqui, and Mark Cuban were all in the same room together.
- Those are the two fuzzy guys from LMFAO, in case you didn't know. Luke Wilson and Mark Cuban, that is.
- If we rewrote today's shot chart, Amar'e Stoudemire would probably be the recipient of whatever attempts we subtracted from Douglas and Shumpert. He had 21 points on just 11 shots, underscoring the Knicks' collective need to figure out how to get him the ball even when he's on the weak side and/or acting as a decoy for the Melo/Chandler pick and roll.
- Amar'e didn't play all that much defense, (he was one of several responsible for letting Brandon Bass cook soup from mid-range and gobble up every offensive rebound, which was most reminiscent of last season) but, as he's wont to do, made up for it with a big block on Bass in the final minutes.
- Amar'e shot 2-2 from downtown. Melo shot 4-7. The Knicks shot 9-20. The Celtics shot 2-5.
- Also to blame for Bass and friends' o-bounding was Tyson Chandler, who pulled down just three boards and seemed content to just be tall instead of boxing folks out. To be fair, he also had six blocks and a number of other useful shot contests, so the action sometimes pulled him away from the boards. In hindsight, I'd be interested to see what would happen if Chandler stayed home a bit more on defense and didn't try to help as much. I'd probably just be complaining that he didn't help enough, so nevermind.
- The total rebounding numbers were 41-31 in favor of the Celtics, which is pretty unacceptable.
- Josh Harrellson, who is likely about to get a lot more minutes with Jeffries, had neither his sea legs or his sea hands in this one. He bulldozed some space and (according to the box score) blocked a shot, but didn't do much else but drop passes.
- Landry Fields didn't do much of note on offense besides dribble the ball wayyyy too often. On defense, he did a decent job of tailing Ray Allen in the early going, but started lagging behind after the first quarter. Bill Walker didn't do much better on either end.
- Renaldo Balkman had one really nice cut and finish and, well...that's it. I just really wanted to include him in this recap. He'll probably be seeing more minutes with Jeffries out.
- I'd pay exactly four dollars to watch a brow furrow-off between Chris Wilcox and Keyon Dooling.
- Before succumbing to a calf injury, (which will keep him out for at least a week) Jared Jeffries pulled the Malik Rose Memorial Chair-Pull of the night on Kevin Garnett, who traveled. Expertly done.
- Here's one play I loved. Nothing fancy here. Just terrible defense by Bass, a nice cut by Chandler, and snappy recognition by Melo. This was a pretty big play, too:
- Kyra Sedgwick, in a "The Closer" commercial: "THESE PEOPLE ARE MY FRANDS!!!11" This guy's looking forward to games on MSG.
- To my eye, Mike Woodson's pressing defense worked nicely for stretches in the first quarter, but faltered when it wasn't executed forcefully enough and/or the Celtics adjusted to it later on.
- I missed this, but after the game, Kevin Garnett and Bill Walker had words, and Garnett decided that grabbing Walker's throat would be a good thing for him to do. I disagree, but that's just me.
So, that's pretty much all I've got for now. I've got the game taped and may watch it again before Wednesday, but...well, I probably won't. 'Twas a successful, if not entirely pleasant start to the season, with plenty to cherish and plenty more to improve. Things will only get tougher now without Shump (who, for all his misses, looked genuinely ready to be a leader in the second unit, I thought) and Jeffries. Oh, and THE west coast road trip is coming up next! Who's ready for back-to-back 10:30 EST tips this week!?
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Great recap as always!
Man O’ Man Toney Douglas really disappointed me today. But actually having good seats at the garden made me forget, until I read this recap. We really have no continuity on the offensive end and that’s where a PG like Baron “Blackbeard” Davis really comes in. Heck, I’ll even take Bibby at this point. Unless something changes drastically (which it will since this was only the first game) we’ll have to adjust our rotaton by excluding DWTDD and ShumpShump at the PG position.
Sidenote* Shumpert looked absolutely great out there. If it wasn’t for the rookie jitters you mentioned, he would of at least shot 7-13 today. Hopefully he’ll have a speedy recovery process b/c he need him to get acclimated ASAP.
by Landry for prez on Dec 26, 2011 1:42 AM EST reply actions
I dunno, Seth
Grabbing throats is usually an agreeable thing. I think you’re a bit too soft. Kevin Garnett? That’s a man right there.
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by borat on Dec 26, 2011 2:11 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
About Toney...
While of course he kinda never ran the offense on his own at all in this game and he only shot the ball kind of OK-ly, my main gripe with him in this game was that he was 100% unable to control the pace/calm things down in the doomsday third quarter.
I mentioned this in the game thread, but the Celtics basically ramped up the pace to lightspeed for that third quarter, and there was nothing our team could do to slow things down with Melo on the bench and Toney being a weenie. Transition basket after transition basket after transition basket and we were completely helpless. During that third quarter, as we completely lost our bearings and the Celtics ran loose, I got to feeling like we’d be better off starting Bibby rather than TD for the sole reason that he knows how to run an offense and keep things under control. Or he should at least play whenever Melo isn’t out there, because Melo can always control things with a little contested splashy splashy from 17.
This is not a trend for Toney...
Its his modus operandi.
by Crackback on Dec 26, 2011 8:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
OK Toney Robbins
Seriously, practice goal #1 going forward needs to be that everyone knows how to run the p&r. Amare was doing the same thing he’s always done, only without getting rewarded with the ball, and then not being able to give the team easy points (or as many – everything Amare does looks easy).
by superturboultra on Dec 26, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Toney is what he is
He’s a decent bench scorer, he’s about to turn 26, he’s not and will never be anything resembling a point guard. I know Toney’s a fan favorite but let’s be honest, he’s expendable. (Of course, not so much now with Davis, Shump, Bibby all being down)
TYBG
by The Rooster on Dec 26, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
"Being a weenie"
is an apt a description of TD’s play as I have read anywhere.
Isn't it Ironic that the Knicks are the team that needs to slow down with "D'Antoni" as coach.
It’s only one game but only the Chicago bulls played slower than the Knicks on Christmas day.
by Robert Curre on Dec 27, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Got some questions/observations...
1—Why no mention of the pro-NY officiating, especially Joey Crawford. Melo elbowed Pavlovic and Pavlovic got the Tech. O’Neal got a tech from 40 feet away. The RIDICULOUS foul call at the end when Daniels CLEARLY made a clean steal. The C’s shot TWO FT’s in the 4th quarter despite attacking the basket more. The Celtics were the more dominant inside team and shot 15 less threes yet shot less FT’s than the jumpshooting Knicks.
2—You do realize that the Knicks barely scraped by with a lot of help from the refs and NO Paul Pierce. Pierce plays today, Knicks don’t hit 90 points. Add Petrius to the mix and it may be as low as 84.
3—As for the KG play, he didn’t choke him he shoved him. And if Walker wants to act like a tough guy then don’t cry when you get punked down. I don’t see any complaints about the Melo elbow to Rondo’s face which by rule, should have been a flagrant.
4—Does anyone REALLY think that NY can sustain this level of play all year?? No bench, no PG, no SG, all 1 on 1 play from Melo, and no defense That isn’t a recipe for success come playoff time.
5—Do you guys HONESTLY trust in D’Antoni?? This guy looks clueless out there and it will end up costing the Knicks when it matters most. Steve Nash made him and without Nash, he looks like a below average coach. Are Knicks fans secretly rooting for him to get fired with the dream of Phil Jackson?? Be honest.
6—Glad to hear Shumpert isn’t done for the year. Never like to see players get hurt and he at least looked like he tried on the court.
that's it?
Victory goes to the courageous!!
Didn't take long for Celts fans to blame the refs, huh?
Nevermind that Bison got a tech from the fucking bench for standing up or any other number of ridiculous whistles throughout the game. Refs were just calling everything out there.
Also, KG is a punk. He love to shove a guy and then back up like he wants to fight but is getting held back. He’s got some inches and probably some pounds on Bill Walker and he’d probably get his ass kicked.
Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump
let 'em be...
they’ll be seeing a lot of implosions later
Victory goes to the courageous!!
Yea, I know. Don't feed the trolls. I just have seen a bunch of these complaints and wanted to say something more in general
Plus it’s fun to hate KG, but only because he’s a whiny ass bitch and a terrible person.
Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump
true that!! can't wait to bitch on people at work tomorrow!
Victory goes to the courageous!!
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by wilddre22 on Dec 26, 2011 3:54 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
for real
they essentially blame the loss on the refs in their recap as well as if it weren’t the same game being watched. These Celts fans are delusional to think they’re sooo good that the only way they can lose is to the whistle.
I tell you what, those guys seem to think the “big 3” will be around forever. They’ve probably forgotten what things were like before Garnett and Ray Allen. It’ll get alot worse and alot tougher when those dudes start retiring to watch jeopardy naked while sipping prune juice, or whatever it is retired people do.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 26, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Yup that's pretty much what retired people do
Except Jeopardy is on too late, they like The Price is Right
by superturboultra on Dec 26, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Nah son, it's Matlock and Golden Girls
by Jeff Van Gumby on Dec 26, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Blanche was hot
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Dec 26, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
isn't it who gets bankrupt first?
Victory goes to the courageous!!
Garnett had his hand around Walker's throat
it’s pretty irrelevant whether he squeezed or not, that’s a punk move and should net him a good fine/short suspension.
Right the pro ny officials
You mean the same ones who put our star on the bench for the majority of the third quarter? The same crew that gave our other star an early christmas tech? That was the same crew right?
Yeah we beat a paul pierce-less celts. You played a B.Davis-less knicks. Your point?
Didn’t know pietrus single handedly is responsible for affecting 6 points per. He’s the DPOY in making….how did I miss that?
Also, your bench is studly. I say that with no note of sarcasm whatsoever. None. What’s that alarm going off? Your sarcasm meter. Must be faulty.
Btw, if you think that’s the last game you’ll be defending your teams loss because such and such is out, you’re mistaken. Alot of old bones playa, expect more built in excuses down the road.
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by wilddre22 on Dec 26, 2011 3:50 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Pietrus would affect 6
But Pierce would be responsible for affecting 16 points per. MVP!
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How did I miss that gem?
Imagine how many points he affected in his prime! GOAT, FTW!
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by wilddre22 on Dec 26, 2011 4:03 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Re: Bench
Garnett played 37 minutes, Allen played 37 minutes, Rondo played an astounding 41. No way the Celtics survive that night in and night out, but what other choice do they have? Pietrus can give Allen more of a breather when he returns, but Garnett? Other than bass, they have no one (and even with Bass playing BIG minutes, Garnett had 37 tonight).
It might have been a blessing in disguise that Melo went to the bench for so long. He was the freshest player on the court in the fourth. Garnett bricked the clutch shot, but Melo was lights out
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
Wow man
1) We’ve been complaining about biased officiating AGAINST the Knicks for quite some time as well, so I know how you could be feeling. And please, please never complain about officiating bias, the “Big 4” gets calls they shouldn’t all the time (just look at Garnett when he’s defending down low and never gets called for the foul.) No foul called on the Melo floater towards the end of the game as well.
2) So if Pierce plays, the Knicks score 16 less points? One hell of a defender you guys have there.
3) I don’t care what he did, it was a punk move. There was trash talking throughout the game, Garnett shouldn’t be going around shoving people in their throats after the Celtics lose. Unprofesional, period.
4) Nope, I don’t think they can sustain this level of play. It’s only natural to expect them to be even better, as there were many miscues on offense and defense. And even though Pierce is a defending god, Barron or Bibby didn’t play (the “bench depth” you speak of), and Shumpert along with Jeffries got injured. Funny you don’t mention that.
5) I don’t know how it goes in Boston, but I’ll always root for the Knicks to win, even if a naked Rorschach is coaching the team. This is the first time he’s actually had a good roster to work with, so this is the first time he can actually be held accountable for the results of the Knicks this season.
6) Thanks man. Bass looked amazing as well.
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by moose35 on Dec 26, 2011 3:52 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
A naked rorshach
I don’t even know what he looks like and I’m horrified.
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by wilddre22 on Dec 26, 2011 3:56 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
You must really be upset to take all that time to whine about a loss. Officiating? How about Shump being undercut and no foul call?
by RealRangerFan on Dec 26, 2011 6:50 AM EST up reply actions
Wow
really man? Here is a post I made after the third quarter.
Just off the top of my head
The TD Palming, never actually called
Amare should be 3 pt play
Rondo on a drive, an Oneal or Bass literally held onto balkman so he couldnt defend
Foul on JJ when Rondo flat out ran into him
Thats just off the top of my angered head
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 25, 2011 11:09 AM PST reply actions
How about the Chandler Tech? So, in the game Amare got a ridiculous Tech, Chandler did, and Pavlovich and Oneal did. Thats 2 and 2 from my count big guy.
Wanna talk about the most EGREGIOUS one of all? How bout that offensive foul on Melo in game 1 of last years series? Real physical game, and you call an offensive foul on one of the top 10 players in the league when Paul Pierce is draped over him and initiating tons of contact in a fucking PLAYOFF game? Yeah, you guys dont EVER get calls or anything.
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 26, 2011 8:09 AM EST up reply actions
Oh yeah
and we were up by 1 at the time with something like 30 seconds left, and they called an offensive foul 25 feet from the basket and melo wasn’t even moving OR dribbling.
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 26, 2011 8:10 AM EST up reply actions
Oh and heres another, courtesy of DonMoosavi
right after the Melo phantom offensive foul,
Garnett tripping Tony Douglas as he worked around a 3, sprining Allen for a wide open 3. Of ALL the teams to bitch about refs, its gonna be a fan of Garnett, Pierce, and Rondo??? Pot meet kettle
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Dec 26, 2011 8:13 AM EST up reply actions
Still remember that call
refs blew that game bad. That trip was so obvious, man i hate garnett sooooo much. And that mello foul wouldn’t even be called in a regular season game, let alone a playoff game.
by Michael Bildirici on Dec 26, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
Regarding Melo and Pavlovic
“Melo elbowed Pavlovic and Pavlovic got the Tech.”
Melo was standing still and Pavlovic was blatantly flopping like he was getting hit. The ref was standing right there, and teched him for flopping.
I know you’re mad, but if you’re going to come here and cry about the loss, any real NBA fan is going to stop reading at that point. I know I did.
by superturboultra on Dec 26, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
I thought I remembered that right
He was actin like he got elbowed and got caught flopping. That was probably the only justified tech all night.
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by JerzeeBalla on Dec 26, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
officials never miss or give the Celtics calls, right?
like when Toney Douglas got tripped in last years playoffs with no whistle? Probably don’t remember that or the fact that in the same series we ended up guarding Kevin fucking Garnett with of all people Shawne Williams because Ronnie Turiaf is always injured and Amare’s back was jacked up…but our injuries don’t count when we play the Celtics and they win do they?
Look dude, The Celtics are a great franchise. If that’s what you wanna hear fine. But don’t start skewing facts to make excuses for a loss. A loss is a loss and no one knows that better than us. Celtics fans should know this too, because despite being a good team now they sucked for a long time. They sucked for maybe more than half of Paul Pierce’s career.
Refs miss calls and blow others calls for all teams. There is no Boston conspiracy. There is no New York conspiracy. There are just bad refs. Refs that make and miss calls for every NBA team and every fan from every NBA city has a problem with it. It is not a unique situation that Boston has to go through and deal with while the rest of the league enjoys proper officiating. It doesn’t work that way.
It was a good game. Your team is still good but it’s not the same. You may or may not see the same success this year but you still have talent. Don’t disrespect that talent by making excuses. Good game, now take the loss on the chin and tell your boys to come harder next time.
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Dec 26, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Actually...
I think the refs DO have a huge bias. They have a bias for stars, and the home team, and whoever is hot in the NBA right now.
by superturboultra on Dec 26, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't disagree
but If you have a consistent bias that goes across the board, then one can’t really say anybody has a competitive edge let alone blame individual losses on those biases.
It’d be different if we always benefited from the refs whistle while never getting ourselves called for phantom fouls but that’s not the case.
I’m no pro but I’ve always been taught to play my best and not let the game have to come down to a whistle or else you’ve already lost.
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Dec 26, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
The other big one
is that refs are always biased in favor of a team down big. I would say that’s the second biggest one, after being biased in favor of stars
The knicks got their fair share of technicals called
including a soft one on amare early in the game. Also, we don’t hear what goes on on the court. Everyone knows Joey Crawford is one of the refs that takes no guff (or even the appearance of guff). It’s on the Celtic players that they did something to get on his bad side.
by Jeff Van Gumby on Dec 26, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
1) Because there was more pro-Boston officiating, as usual
2) Meh. See 1.
3) He grabbed his neck and tried to choke him.
4) No. The Knicks played like shit on Sunday, I expect them to play better
5) Yes. Dude’s won 60 games in a season and gotten to the West conference finals plenty of times. He’s not as big an idiot as Doc Rivers.
6) Thanks. So am I.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
pavlovic was blatantly flopping and crawford got upset that he looked at him funny for not giving him the call
i thought the reffing was bad on both sides, really. too ticky tack and too many technicals.
Anxiously awaiting the day my username will be appropriate
Calling a Joey Crawford crew biased toward one team is like claiming that a roulette wheel is conspiring to always land on red
It’s just not capable of a level of consistency that would make that possible
I just want to point out that without the 3rd quarter we win by 20
That said the 3rd quarter actually happened, but I think with say a certain Baron on the floor running the PnR for Amar’e our offense doesn’t get so stagnant. The more important issue is that during that time we also stopped rebounding and playing defense is disconcerting.
It’s worth noting that we were winning the rebounding battle in the first half.
Ultimately I think the first half represents the team we want to be and claim to be. Powerful offense with 2 superstars that produce a lot of ball movement for easy shots, out rebounding the other team, and solid D. The third quarter was when all our bad habits from last year came back (so who we were last year). And the fourth quarter is where we’re at now. A little disjointed offense that is built on the backs of the stars who buckle down into isos, but enough weapons that are talented enough that we can get by. Improved defense, good defensive effort, still below to about average overall. And some rebounds. With steady improvement over the season including the addition of a certain baron maybe we can become that team we were in the first half.
Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump
We need a floor general at pg
Too often in the third I noticed how stagnant the offense had become in times of duress. We go iso damn near every possession. Fluidity and distribution are needed down the stretch. Thank the basketball gods for Carmelo Anthony though.
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by B.Rush on Dec 26, 2011 2:33 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Hey
It was the 6th night of Chanukah!
Also….Im surprised you don’t remember the Jorts block….it had some force on it
I hate Garnett as much as anyone
(I still vividly remember the flagrant tripping on that wide open Ray Allen 3) but there is a slight chance, if you watch the video, KG might have been just trying to shove Walker and his hands landed on Walker throat. If it were anyone else I would give them the benefit of the doubt. But since its Garnett whatever
Isn't it so much fun to hate him? What an asshole, that guy.
Fuck you, KG!
Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump
I actually used to love him in minny
But I’ve seen enough of his back up after contact, walk away when a true thug gets in his face, mumble obscenities under his breath, to know that he’s fake. A wanksta for all you fif fans.
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by wilddre22 on Dec 26, 2011 4:00 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
i second that
fuck you KG!
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He might have been trying to give Billy a neck massage
by flossy on Dec 26, 2011 7:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah people are overreacting
Billy and KG used to do that in Boston all the time
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by WSD on Dec 26, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Anddddd I'm still waiting for the day that someone hits KG with a Chris Childs two-piece
I respect his fire, but he’s long overdue for it. One of the dirtiest guys I’ve ever seen play.
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by B.Rush on Dec 26, 2011 2:43 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Maybe a badass mofo on a bad team with no chance of winning could pull it off.
Like …. Oh maybe Shawne Williams
Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump
Here you go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtmGB3FgB1c
I don’t know why there’s such strange music playing in this clip, but that’s KG getting hit in the mouth by Anthony Peeler back in Minnesota.
Thanks for making us a contender, Donnie.
by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 26, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Loved the game
I was pleasantly surprised at how sharp the teams’ stars (Rondo, Melo, etc.) looked, I was worried we might get a real stinker due to the lockout.
But Toney’s defense on Rondo still bugs the Hell out of me. I don’t care if Rondo cans a few jumpers, GO UNDER THE SCREEN. You can’t let him get that many shots at the rim and occupy the lane so frequently.
No lie
I measured my pulse rate during the final 2 minutes. 130 BPM. This was an amazing game, and I was watching it with two people that have never watched an NBA game before. Safe to say the Knicks and Carmelo just got 2 more fans.
And Tyson played decently, don’t get all the complaining. Sure, he wasn’t amazing, but the team was completely different defensively when he was on the floor
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.
Vince Lombardi
Tyson had 3 rebounds
Brandon Bass (BRANDON FUCKING BASS) had 11. That’s pathetic.
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
Thats because
to my eye, Chandler was out away from the rim either trying to stop Rondo from getting a layup, or contesting a KG jumper. He spent way more time away from the rim then I would like, but thats because Bass and KG arent post players. If he is contesting the shot, his team has to go get the boards. Melo did his part, everyone else not so much. Not an excuse, cause he still should have had more than 3, but we gotta put shit in perspective.
The Triple Felt Goose movement shall live as long as I am around.
by JerzeeBalla on Dec 26, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
This
Yea, he was away from the basket on most possessions. Of course more rebounds would be better, but he had an awful lot to do on D and he stepped up to handle it. 6 blocks y’all. I know blocks is an overrated stat, but still…
Not to mention as a team we had much improved rebounding other than the 3rd quarter when I believe Tyson was sitting most of the time, if I remember correctly and that’s when Brandon Bass got most of his rebounds.
Not saying there isn’t any room for improvement, saying he made a difference and had a pretty damn good game. Get goin’ a bit more off the glass on Wednesday and there will be no debate about how awesome he is.
Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump
Does anyone have the Carmelo picture that is on the front page of espn nba?
by ap3604 on Dec 26, 2011 4:08 AM EST reply actions
AHH!!
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
makes me happy!!
Victory goes to the courageous!!
Look at that dude in the bottom right corner, in the grey suit
He’s like, “Ugh, what is he doing?!”
KNICKS NOW
http://nyknicksnow.blogspot.com/ - check it out!
Hopefully we'll be seeing a lot of that gleeful little mug
I was on the fence coming into this season about how I really felt about Melo, but he just delivered a win against the Celtics. Hopefully the first of many.
I thought his defense for this game has been underrated. And he picked his spots and once again was pretty much unstoppable when he wanted to be. And his leadership was outstanding.
by superturboultra on Dec 26, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Good start
Isn’t it great when everyone starts nitpicking a win against the Celts. In the past, they would be raving about almost beating them. It looks like the beginning of something good.
completely agree
Not to say that we shouldn’t be nitpicking; we should because this team has so much talent and so much potential. It just feels really good to not be content with just beating the Celtics. I want to beat the Celtics the way we were beating them down in the 1st and early 2nd quarters. I want this team to run on all cylinders. Last year we’d be happy just making the playoffs and stealing a game from Boston. Now we have championship aspirations, and I know we can destroy the Celtics. No one on that team can defend Melo. NO ONE.
Truth
my favorite moment all last season was Amar’e hitting that 3 that didn’t count in the final .4 seconds of that Celtics game. I was streaming the game from ESPN (all legal and stuff) and just started running around my apartment screaming.
Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump
People calling for a trade after one game?
Not on these boards, but damn. I realize the expectations are high, and after rooting for a team with Duhon as our PG and Curry as the make or break factor, I couldn’t be happier. We overcame adversity, beat an elite Celtics team, and it was in a game that we would usually have lost. Analyzing the game is fine, and there were parts of the game that I wasn’t happy with ( Mostly the backcourt and Amare’s apparent lack of interest in rebounding), but it’s a great day to be a Knicks fan.
And to all the bandwagoners: Welcome!
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.
Vince Lombardi
Toney needs a break
The Knicks WILL make the playoffs, barring any major injuries. So if they do, Toney needs a chance to work out those kinks in his game. He did a piss-poor job of getting Amare the ball, and that’s on him.
But Amare showing up to camp so late after all his talk about showing up early before the lockout was over could NOT have helped. What’s DWTDD supposed to do, practice his p&r with the MSG wall? If Amare can’t get it going with the p&r, he has to shoulder a large part of the blame for not being available to work on it.
by superturboultra on Dec 26, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Some thoughts
1. OH MY GOD WE NEED A PG pt. 1: Watching Rajon Rondo repeatedly pants Toney Douglas gave me PTSD flashbacks to last year’s playoffs. I’m thrilled that Baron Davis looks so happy and engaged and talking to people and shit every time the camera cuts to the bench, because this will be a totally different team once he’s on the court.
2. OH MY GOD WE NEED A PG pt. 2: I’ve been afraid for a while now that we’d be seeing a lot of 18 point, 6 rebound games from Amar’e now that Melo, Chander and ??? have replaced Gallo, Chandler and Felton and this is exactly why. No PG to get Amar’e the ball while he’s in motion towards the basket—no PnR, no curl play around the elbow, nada. The offense is Melo doing whatever he wants on the right high post. Tyson Chandler is not the primary PnR option because he can’t do anything else and he clogs up the paint on offense. So Amar’e spent the offseason gaining 20 lbs of muscle so he can stand 20 feet from the basket putting up long jumpshots every time he touches the ball, which is rarely, and playing his usual brand of meh defense. That, my friends, is a waste of a max contract right there, and frankly, if Amar’e isn’t filling up the cup, he’s a neutral impact on the team at best.
3. OMG WE NEED A PG pt. 3: I just think it bears repeating. Toney Douglas is not and will never be championship caliber point-guard. I spent about ten minutes this summer allowing myself to think “hey maybe this will be the year he turns into a poor man’s Billups or Mo Williams or something and I can live with that.” No. This is the year he continues to be Boobie Gibson + gambling for steals. Not going to cut it. I actually pined for Mike Bibby in the 3rd quarter yesterday. I hate that I just typed those words.
4. Amar’e, get a fuckin’ rebound.
5. Tyson Chandler, get a fuckin’ rebound (!!) [to be fair, since he ended up guarding Rajon Rondo by default on every other play, he was rarely in good position].
6. I’m really upset about Iman Shumpert, you guys. I get that he’s a bit trigger happy, but at least 3-4 of his misses were just plain bad luck. I love that he’s aggressive, he was breaking down the defense, getting into the lane, generally makin’ a ruckus and also playing passable (superlative, compared to Toney Douglas) defense on Rondo. I have a feeling that in about six weeks he and Baron Davis will be our starting backcourt and our team will be really fuckin’ good. Until then, yeowch. Iso-Melo all day, which…
7. I don’t really mind when he’s ballin’ out of control. That right there was quite a performance. I was definitely one of the louder Melo trade skeptics, but I must say, I’m feeling a lot more sanguine about it now that things have played out a bit. I still think that Gallo, Chandler, Felton, Randolph and Mozgov was too high a price for just Melo and malcontent Billups. Now that the endgame has become clear, I do not think the price was too high to facilitate a trio of Melo, Chandler and Baron Davis. Especially not if Melo is going to do that with any regularity.
by flossy on Dec 26, 2011 8:27 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
DWTDD
will never be more than a poor man’s Jason Terry. If he was the 7th or 8th player in our rotation I’d be giddy about him. We simply just can not have that man as our starting PG though.
I was extremely impressed with Melo yesterday though; I’m not just talking about his scoring. He did a little of everything; he rebounded, facilitated, playmaked, hustled, and played some D. Granted that he didn’t have too play too much defense, but I still liked what I saw for the most part. He’s the darkhorse MVP candidate, and I honestly believe 28-30 ppg isn’t out of the question for him.
I actually thought Melo's D was great
Because he could play off of his guys, he made the smart move and secured rebounds. Chandler was all over the court (I think he did a great job as well, BTW), so someone had to secure the rebound, and often it was Melo.
by superturboultra on Dec 26, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
The Amar'e conundrum
This is a BIG question the Knicks need to answer. Honestly, I don’t know why we don’t run more PnR with him and Melo instead of just Melo and Chandler. Amar’e needs to be involved, but he also needs to GET HIMSELF more involved. CRASH THE GLASS. Box out Brandon Bass. If you know Melo’s about to shoot, put yourself in position for the putback. You’re 6’11, 260 and can jump out of the gym. Don’t let a scrub like Brandon Bass push you around.
I think the return of B-Diddy will solve this, but using Melo and Amar’e together needs to be D’Antoni’s priority. Period.
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
To be fair, Brandon Bass is not a scrub
Boston got the better end of that trade by far. Bass is someone who has deserved more playing time on every team he’s played for. A bit undersized but an efficient low-usage scorer and good rebounder.
thank you floss!!!
I’ve been trying to say this, but it’s like no one is listening. People are hung up on the fact that he’s never really started but Bass has tons of talent and is naturally a better rebounder than Stoudemire to begin with.
People are trying to turn this into Amare seeing the ball come off the rim, looking at it and then turning away muttering “fuck that rebound! I hate rebounds.”
It’s all a little extreme. Bass deserves credit but also the further away from the basket Amare is (both on offense and defense) the less chance of him racking up rebounds to begin with; and with more and more forwards being able to step out and hit that mid range/long two jumper there going to be alot of times he finds himself away from the basket.
Again, I’m not saying Amare is a great rebounder and defender nor am I making excuses for him. If he’s bad he’s bad, which he is.He could always get better but the insinuation that he doesn’t try is a bit over the top to me when there are numerous mitigating factors that go into rebounding and defense other than desire. Because I’m sure no one “desires” to be a bad rebounder.
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Dec 26, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Player A vs Player B
Player A claims to be 6’11", 260 lbs. He is one of the most athletic people to ever play in the NBA, can jump out of the gym, and was a lottery pick.
Player B is 6’8", 250 lbs. He was a second round pick, has never made an All Star game and doesnt have elite per-36 rebounding numbers.
By making an excuse like “Brandon Bass is not a scrub”, you’re insulting Amar’e. If you think Bass is “naturally a better reobounder” than Amar’e, that must mean Amar’e is pretty fucking awful. Look above. Amar’e should DOMINATE Bass (and KG for that matter).
People are trying to turn this into Amar’e seeing the ball come off the rim, looking at it and, then turning away muttering “fuck that rebound! I hate rebounds.”
Didn’t box out. Gave up on at LEAST 2 defensive plays that ended in Rondo layups. Did not close out on Bass’ jumpers (so how can we use the excuse that he was far away from the rim?).
This was a PATHETIC performance. A d-league effort from someone with out of this world talent. Stoudemire should be ashamed. THey should Brandon Bass’ statline up over the practice court as a reminder of why rebounding is important. You want to go hunting for D-Wade and Lebron? Try taking care of the scrubs first, please.
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
Relax. You're acting like you've never seen Stat play before
Amar’e has never been a good rebounder considering his athletic gifts. This is why we went out and got Tyson Chandler. If you expect him to become a beast on the boards at this stage of his career you’re in for a long, disappointing season. He’s a scorer pure and simple. His value is putting up points at a higher rate than he gives them up.
The real Amar’e conundrum is that he can score on virtually anyone in the league at yet we have nobody on our team who seems able to get him the ball any closer than 20 feet away from the goal. 11 FGA is not enough. I have to assume this will even itself out eventually, but the problem won’t be truly resolved until (if) a healthy Baron Davis is orchestrating the offense.
I don't expect him to be a beast rebounder (though that wouldn't be out of line)
I expect him not to get his ass handed to him by scrubs like Brandon Bass. What do you think the actually talented players like Boozer, Bosh, Gasol, etc will do to him?
And I sympathize with him for losing so many shots to TD and SHumpert’s tunnel vision, but you know how you can still be involved, Amar’e? CRASH THE FUCKING BOARDS for some put-backs.
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
CRASH THE FUCKING BOARDS for some put-backs.
that has more to do with the coaching philosophy and what Dantoni wants to do than with Stoudemire. Dantoni expects Amare to be up the court and running the floor.
also…I think you’re caught up on this Brandon Bass being a scrub while it’s the furthest thing from the truth. Honestly I wish we had the money to pay him because he would have made the perfect back up for Amare. In fact I’d rather have him over Bosh any day of the week. Maybe you haven’t seen him play too often, maybe you haven’t heard of him before yesterday but the guy has game. I’m just going off what I’ve seen. If you want “official” stats and stuff check out his per 36 at basketball reference.
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Dec 26, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
7.7 rebounds per 36
Not impressed. And I’d like to think Amar’e could school a guy who would be his backup
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
impressed or not
the dude aint a scrub as you suggested. And 8 rebounds in 36 minutes is pretty decent. I mean really, I don’tLastly, just because I think he’d make a great back up here doesn’t mean he wouldn’t be qualified to start elsewhere.
Not impressed with 8rbs a game? The best rebounding forwards in the game hover someplace around a 9 total boards per game avg. These are starters like Al Horoford, David Lee, Al Jefferson even Andrew Bogut! I don’t get it, does a player have to avg 15 rebounds a night for you to acknowledge them?
Last season in limited minutes he out rebounded:
Carl Landry
Reggie Evans
Tyler Hansborough
Antwan Jamison
Antonio McDyess
Derrick Favors
Kenyon Martin
Omer Asik
Hakim Warrick
Anderson Vareojao
Darell Arthur
Andrei Kirilenko
Now, there are a number of 6’10 athletic dudes on that list that were out rebounded by Bass last season under limited minutes. Again, being big and athletic doesn’t equate to rebounding production. Sure it makes it easier but it doesn’t make it automatic for those who don’t have the proper technique or focus. Or maybe I’m way off base and all those guys have been scrubs for there entire careers and non of their rebounds count.
It’s cool though, go on thinking Bass is a scrub but he’ll have a great year in Boston if he continues to get minutes.
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Dec 27, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
it's cool
I just don’t get your evaluation process at all.
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Dec 27, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
I dont think anyone is insulting Amare
rebounding has nothing to do with player A or player B’s proportions and everything to do with their skills. Rebounding is just not a skill that comes easy to Stoudemire. Being 6’ 10" makes no diff because there are plenty of tall people who can’t play basketball period let alone rebound. I’ll give you Brook Lopez (who is bigger btw) just for starters.
Dennis Rodman was nowhere near 6’ 10" was not an all star nor a heralded draft pick and all he did was rebound the shit out of the basketball. I can name several current players 6’ 10" I would have taken Rodman before and that’s not including Amare.
If you don’t like his production, that’s cool. You’re entitled. I also agree that the staff should post Bass’ rebounding numbers and production up to motivate Amare. But I won’t give you “d league effort”. D league production maybe but for all I know he could have been winded when he didn’t box out. I saw him active on D and going for rebounds plenty of times during the game, the fact that his production was poor doesn’t mean he didn’t try in my eyes.
Toney Douglas can try and dunk all he wants until he’s blue in the face but he is not skilled at dunking. I’m sure he wants to dunk, but he cant. Meanwhile Nate Robinson is smaller and can dunk without even thinking about it or really caring at all because it is a skill of his.
I’ve seen David Lee who is a hell of a rebounder fail to box out before but unless I’m psychic I couldn’t tell you if it was because he was tired or he just thought there was no way to get it or whatever.
You probably still don’t agree and that’s fine but we all know Amare doesn’t rebound well and we would all like for that to change but dude made enough of a contribution Sunday and made enough effort that he was able to produce in other areas as well and get us a win despite you feeling his effort was piss poor.
That doesn’t mean I don’t think he shouldn’t be held accountable and that he shouldn’t be trying harder to get better, It just means that we won and whatever his effort he did contribute to that in a positive way regardless of what anyone else did.
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Dec 26, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
OK
That doesn’t mean I don’t think he shouldn’t be held accountable and that he shouldn’t be trying harder to get better, It just means that we won and whatever his effort he did contribute to that in a positive way regardless of what anyone else did.
Agreed.
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
It's great to pull out a win like that.
Says a lot about a team. You’re winning and suddenly let up a big run. Which is going to happen in the NBA vs. a good team. Just pull together and find a way to win. Which is what the Knicks did!
GO YANKEES, COWBOYS, AND KNICKS!
For one...that 22-0 run started when TD left the floor.
Shortly after Melo also left the floor during that same 3rd quarter run.
that was a pretty good defensive team they were competing against.
TD is listed as getting a tech??!!?
It’s great to have a win against Boston period.
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by Olbrannon on Dec 26, 2011 9:11 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
There was a double tech
TD and perhaps Ray Allen. Also, it was so good to finally see a Celtic get a tech for flopping.
by superturboultra on Dec 26, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
wow
hell of a game to watch…i needed a nap immediately afterwards. The people getting on Chandler i think need to actually watch him. The box score doesn’t tell the whole story. The guy is a difference maker in (1)attitude. he brings a toughness to the team that hasn’t been there since the oakley/mason days; (2) he’s a shot changer. NO LAY UPS! (3) he seems like the kind of guy that won’t let you give up and fold(which there was a lot of n the past decade). You get the feeling that if anyone is dogging it out there that Chandler is going to give him an earful back in the locker room.
Overall a solid game b the boys out there. The only thing that I didn’t like is how dreadfully awful it was to watch DWTDD out there running PnR. I mean, I was a backup PG many moons ago for a small D1 school and i could honestly run PnR better than Toney. Baron Davis….COME ON DOWN!
Yes, I agree with this.
I was so impressed with Tyson’s hustle, attitude, and energy.
I was shocked (in a negative way) when I saw the boxscore this morning. I thought there must be a mistake.
Thanks for making us a contender, Donnie.
by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 26, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
impressive AND UNimpressive...
impressive:
- shumpert’s strength, quickness, handle and aggression
- landry’s glueness as usual… solid, good defense, reliable
- melo’s clutchness
- tyson’s length and shot altering ways
- jared’s help defense
- jorts + 9
- TD, 19 pts + 12 on the floor
UNimpressive:
- rebounding ferocity… very underwhelming ACROSS THE BOARD!. BASS KILLED US
- amare’s ferocity… don’t brad lohaus us amare… PLEASE
- TD’s floor leadership and lack of facilitation
- 16 turnovers, 17 assists… weak ball movement
with shump out, do we sign eddie house? or dare we sign nate robinson? any other 10 contracts out there worth a quick look?
Please... no.
have mercy on us.
Thanks for making us a contender, Donnie.
by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 26, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
To be fair
We rebounded very well in the first half. We also had great ball movement, too much sometimes even. The problem was that third quarter. I think that’s when Bass got most of his rebounds too. And the 4th quarter Melo just took that game and put it all on his back. He went hero mode, blowing up the death star all force style.
So really, we just need to lean to avoid that third quarter break down where we were putrid. I think Baron may be the key there. A few PnRs with Amar’e would have gotten the offense moving again which may have spurred more offensive and rebounding intensity. At the very least it would have meant less fast break points for rondo.
Baron probably isn’t a one man cure, but I think he helps solve a lot of the problems I saw.
Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump
yeah, if you can have baron, melo, or bibby out there at all times
you’re not going to have the play making problems that we had in the fourth quarter
Anxiously awaiting the day my username will be appropriate
1 Down/65 To Go
Wow! Great game and team effort.
B.Walker did a very good job to make K.Garnett take a off balance shot on th eside.
Now lets just wish I.Shumpert a solid recovery because we will need him badly.
I hate injuries to anybody.
“GO NEW YORK GO”
for the first time
I agree with everything you just said. I think our relationship has just reached a milestone! Ice cream party everyone!
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Dec 26, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
This is our Oslo
And I’m Iran coming in and pointing out that Bill Walker collided with Chandler on the last play, and KG was pretty wide open.
by superturboultra on Dec 26, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
I did see that
but I also saw him hustle his but over to KG to try and contest the shot. I thought he got over in time enough to make a difference but I’m not opposed to thinking that maybe KG just missed the shot.
Either way I like the fact that walker did hustle back to KG. He could have left him there feeling it wasn’t his responsibility blaming the confusion, it’s not like we haven’t seen that before.
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Dec 26, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
It's a Christmas miracle!
God bless us everyone!
by Jeff Van Gumby on Dec 26, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Adjustment Time
We should start M.Bibby at PG and T.Douglas at SG while Shumpert is injuried.
Stubborn Mike nees to make adjustments based on the Shumpert injury.
Bibby is hurt. So I do not know if he is actually being stubborn there Dizzy
by Robert Curre on Dec 27, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Lord Currence
If Bibby is hurt, I will give you the D’Antoni love you have for the coach.
But remember Shumpert should be starting at the two when he comes back. Not Fields and stubborn D’Antoni call.
Actually L.Fields can be a solid backup at the two also instead of the three were he belongs. Balkman can play backup three with Fields backup two.
The rookie Shumpert will do better playing with better players like T.Douglas/Stoudemire/Chandler/Anthhony. Just ask yourself, isnt he miles ahead of Fields with ball handling, scoring and defense then Fields?
Talk to stubborn D’Antoni.
Recap Shoutout?!!
NICE! Hahah great recap. Can’t believe this season is here. Seems like we’ve been waiting for years and that it’d never come.
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that was the game we wanted to have all of last year.
But I’ll be optimistic and say: here’s to new things and a great year for our beloved Knicks.
by suzzee on Dec 26, 2011 10:59 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
How I’ve missed these recaps Seth!! Nice job!!
I’m still in shock that someone wearing a Knick jersey had 6 blocks. When was the last time that happened?
We pretty much saw the old knicks defense in the 3rd quarter, and the new knicks defense in the 1st, 2nd, and 4th quarters. It’ll take some time for Woodson to instill the defensive schemes with the rest of the team but I know everyone will buy in when they see how many wins it can lead to.
I know it’s just the first game but I’m even more excited for this team than I was before the game. Like others have said, when Baron and Iman come back this team is going to be soooo good!! Go Knicks!
From the department that brings you
useless answers, Amar’e had 3 games with exactly 6 blocks last season. His last was in January vs. the Lakers:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201101090LAL.html
With the shortened season
each win this year is equivalent to 1.25 wins in a regular year. I think we have a shot at around 42 wins, which would be equivalent to around a 52-53 win season
by Jeff Van Gumby on Dec 26, 2011 11:39 AM EST reply actions
Fake ass Celtics
Even this legit elbox from Melo looks like Rondo adds quite a bit to it:
by superturboultra on Dec 26, 2011 11:45 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Which is actually something that the Celts do very well
They make the refs make the call. Not only does Rondo sell the foul, but Daniels is literally hanging and pushing Melo, daring the ref to make the call.
The Knicks seem to play a different way – they actually avoid fouling. Truer to the game, but without the great results the Celtics have had the past few years.
by superturboultra on Dec 26, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
That's been the Celtics' M.O. for a while now.
They’re the kings of setting subtle moving screens that don’t get called. I’ve noticed that Tyson Chandler does a lot of the same stuff KG does, but he’s not nearly as good at being sneaky about it. I think he’s pretty liable to get in foul trouble from silly off the ball stuff.
The sad thing is...
that this SHOULD HAVE resulted in a flagrant because NBA rule says that any elbow thrown above the head is considered a flagrant. But because it was Melo, just an offensive foul.
by sexyscottish on Dec 26, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
dude Garnett throws more bows than a little bit
so stop it.
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Dec 26, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
Are you really giving this argument
After watching Game 1 of last year’s playoffs? Or the multitude of fouls that don’t get called on the Celtics because it was one of the almighty Big 4? Melo got called for 4 fouls very early, I definitely wouldn’t blame the officiating here.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.
Vince Lombardi
Nah
Melo’s being pushed by Daniels into Rondo.
by superturboultra on Dec 27, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
It blows my fucking mind
that while everybody and their mother is saying the knicks wouldnt have won if Pierce played, i havent heard a single person, even on this site, say the bulls win in tainted bc ANDREW FUCKING BYNUM didnt play. he’s only, ya know, their second best player and possibly best player when kobe is hurt. im pretty sure Bynum to McRoberts is an equal if not bigger downgrade than Pierce to Daniels or Pav. But the bulls are championship contenders and the knicks are “too flawed.” cmon ESPN, do your job
The Bulls are bigger contenders
They made the ECF last year. They have one of the most dynamic point guards in the game. What do you think Rose is going to do the Knicks?
the Knicks have made strides. But they haven’t caught Miami or Chicago yet. We should be excited, but recognize that there is still a ways to go.
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
objectively and in the long haul in agree
but im just talking about yesterday
Melo domination was awesome. Love that we have a shooter his caliber now.
Can take over games when other key players struggle.
What do you mean they won 4 cups in a row? Is that possible?
Hey guys
Remember like a little over a month ago, Seth was posting things like, we could make threads for watching Jeopardy and stuff? That was a sad time.
I’m glad basketball is back
KNICKS NOW
http://nyknicksnow.blogspot.com/ - check it out!
He almost single handedly lost a game the Clips were winning easily
Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump
Mr. Brick Shot
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Dec 27, 2011 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
BTW
Derrick Rose went 4-17 last night
Kevin Martin went 1-10 last night
Lamar Odom went 1-10 last night
This would be of importance, ya know, if it wasn’t just one game.
"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy
by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Dec 27, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
No one said it was of any particular importance
I just thought people would like to know, if they didn’t already.
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