To: The Knicks Re: Chris Paul
by Seth on Dec 8, 2011 9:36 PM EST
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PrintDear The Knicks,
Please don't get involved. Please just do the Tyson Chandler stuff and step back and play basketball free of controversy. I just want to see what this team can do without some other nonsense clouding their performance. Foul, regrettable things are being done-- history is being made-- and you have the opportunity to skirt it entirely. Wouldn't that be a lovely departure from eras past? Please don't get involved.
Yours,
Seth
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agreed
even if we thought going all in on him at this point was a good idea now it’ll just seem sooo shady. It’d be like Stern actually cared enough to rigg shit for us and we’d have to hear shit from every sports fan in America for the next twenty years about that one time Stern served Paul up to the Knicks on a silver platter.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 8, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
well. we'd win not one not two not three....
what i’m trying to say is we’d never hear the end of it. you’re right.
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I can't believe that David Stern prevented that trade from happening
what an asshole
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by seton hall and steelers on Dec 8, 2011 9:38 PM EST reply actions
It was good for the Hornets too
I’d be pissed if I were them
Hella pissed
They actually could have had a really intriguing team this year with that trade. Not contenders, but actually arguably better than what they are now WITH Chris Paul
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by WSD on Dec 8, 2011 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
As i said on the other post if the league wont allow a trade to the Lakers
a trade to the Knicks wont be allowed either
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Respect the reputation or it's an altercation.
and the fact the trade was vetoed doesnt all of a sudden mean we have more attractive trade pieces
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its not so much about what teh Knicks can offer
as much as the rabbling bullshit about them trading for him all season that was about to go away
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 8, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i sit, fingers crossed, praying your request be heard...
not on this day… on this day, we rejoice in the wisdom of saying “no to paul, no to dwight… no to the temptation of stardom”
please dolan… do the right thing.
First thing that crossed my mind when I saw that the trade was off cus of the owners, no lie:
“Dolan.”
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by $100M Contract on Dec 8, 2011 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
yes we are in the minority on this one
i too still want him but….
by SLAUGHTERHOUSE on Dec 8, 2011 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
Guys stop. I'm scared Dolan reads these boards.
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by $100M Contract on Dec 8, 2011 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
IMPLANTS!!
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by PJCarlisimo's Neck on Dec 8, 2011 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
tittehs
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 8, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
fun bags
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
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for the first time in a long time,
i’m content with the players we have at every position on the roster; sure, there are some possible backcourt additions we could make, but the chance for td, shumpert, and landry to develop is definitely a good thing. i really believe iman is gonna surprise people…not as a point guard, necessarily, but he’ll be a special player for our team THIS season, both athletically and defensively.
just really glad we have what we have; so yeah, seth, i agree with all of this.
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by ny knickerbocker on Dec 8, 2011 9:45 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Wait
What if they called off the Tyson Chandler trade?!
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It's not a trade.
It’s us dumping chauncey and outright signing Tyson.
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by $100M Contract on Dec 8, 2011 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
still 90% done as far as i can find
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I would very much enjoy if the Knickerbockers
would stick with this Tyson Chandler fellow.
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it'll truly be a xmas miracle...
if on december 25th, we’re watching an actual TEAM.
with the best offensive/defensive front line in the league…
with homegrown youth…
and with savvy veterans.
dear santa… we’ve been very good and loyal knicks fans… no chris paul coal in our stockings please.
by bucketsncents on Dec 8, 2011 9:49 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I wish I knew what was going on.
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by Conrad Kaczmarek on Dec 8, 2011 9:50 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
i love you, seth.
you’re good.
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by stingy d on Dec 8, 2011 9:51 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
word aaaappppp
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by ny knickerbocker on Dec 8, 2011 9:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i miss little nate a bit
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by ny knickerbocker on Dec 8, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
Well, it looks like he might be available
by PolyphonicSpreewell on Dec 9, 2011 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
wouldn't mind having him off the bench now
with the new bison chandelier line up
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by stingy d on Dec 8, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
he would be a good 5th guard
though we would still need one more distributor / shooter on the roster.
but i don’t care. BEST 3-4-5 IN THE LEAGUE Y’ALL
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by ny knickerbocker on Dec 8, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
i don't think anyone is remotely close to us, especially now that the lakers are blowing it up
on another note, i’m also very excited to start talking about the cheap players we might sign after this deal (hopefully) goes through. way more than melodrama or cp3 trade nonsense, i always love analyzing the lower level deals, since they’re the ones that actually allow a team to add real value above and beyond the market price.
to that end, since it’s inevitable that we are not done adding or re-signing players before the season starts, i’m going to make a fan post about what cheap options are available to us. i love analyzing potential thrifty signings.
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by ny knickerbocker on Dec 8, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
I really hope this CP3 stuff doesn’t come anywhere near the Knicks. I was just looking forward to making cheap, somewhat inconsequential signings to round out the roster
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yep
and fortunately for us, backcourt free agents are the ones who can be both cheap and also actually contribute. and they’re what we need! this season is gonna be fun.
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by ny knickerbocker on Dec 8, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
i really hope this bison chandler thing catches on here
probably the best nickname since Gallo was the cock
by latrell chokewell on Dec 8, 2011 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
be nice if he outright changes his name like bison dele
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by latrell chokewell on Dec 8, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
that's still enough for trade rumors!
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 8, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
sad yet true
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by ny knickerbocker on Dec 8, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
HAVE EVERYONE RENEGOTIATE THEIR CONTRACTS NEXT SUMMER SO WE SIGN HIM OUTRIGHT
I have no idea if it’s even possible but
Paul
Me
Melo
Amar’e
Chandler
I would post a gif or something, but there’s nothing in the material world that can express my happiness
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the other beauty is we wouldn't have to think about paul this year
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That only applies to new contracts
So only Chandler’s could be renegotiated.
damn
I knew that sounded too good to be true . . . renegotiate for $1 million a year for 40 years please.
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well darn it my plan doesn't work
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by knickswin on Dec 8, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i was kind of kidding anyway
I want the chris paul drama to be gone with too
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I'm standing and applauding you sir!!!
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Really hope we stick to our plan
I love the idea of building around a frontcourt of Melo/Amare/Chandler. We don’t need a 3rd super star. Just let Fields, Douglas, and Shump develop, sign a couple vets, and try and bring in B. Davis to run the point. I honestly feel like that team can compete with any team in the league right away.
I'm not actively hoping for it
But if the Knicks traded Melo or Amare for Chris Paul I think I could learn to accept it.
well, now that we have Chandler, Amar'e is slightly more redundant
but I’m not sure I would do it anyway . . . Carmelo, Amar’e, Chandler is nice too and fits pretty well
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Amare and Chandler are complete opposites
In fact they complement each very nicely. Paul/Amare/Chandler fits better in a basketball sense, even if Paul/Melo/Chandler has more talent. Plus the Hornets would be way more willing to accept a Melo for Paul trade.
Yeah Paul/Amar'e/Chandler makes much more basketball sense...
but trading either Melo or Amar’e is just complete madness, considering Amar’e is the man who started this all, and Melo fought his way all last season just to get here. Let’s keep them both so I can sleep at night, eh?
No, I think you keep the wing
a small, a wing, and a big makes a lot more sense than a small and two bigs.
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idk if you could make a more false statement then that.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
yeah, I meant it differently than it came out
to Chris Paul they would be redundant because he’d have to work to set both of them up in similar ways.
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are they redundant cuz they're tall?
or that they went straight from HS to the NBA? Either or, really nothing else.
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yeah, I misspoke
Chris Paul, Carmelo, Tyson Chandler is kind of similar to Chris Paul, Carmelo, and Amar’e though
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Or at least we'd have a dynamic offensive PF who's an average rebounder and highlight defender
vs. a great defensive and rebounding C who really is just a guy who has put backs and dunks on offense.
So….the same for 2/3, completely different for the 3rd…and a completely different dynamic to the offense. CP3 would only have to worry about Carmelo getting his shots, vs. Carmelo and Amare’
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by PJCarlisimo's Neck on Dec 8, 2011 10:08 PM EST reply actions
OK so now that we have a better team
The rumor writers put the spotlight on D’antoni’s coaching ability and the supposedly inevitable arrival of Phil Jackson. There will be controversy for the Knicks with or without Chris Paul.
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it's because good front court = triangle
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i fuggin hope so
but that might come down to nba fraternity shit. so is glen grunwald more bros with phil jackson or mike d’antoni? and there is politcal bro-hood to be certain. so who knows?
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Hell naw man this is NY
Beat writers will crap on D’antoni just to make controversy and ensure Phil rides in on his white horse.
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I feel like I can deal with coaching drama better than player drama
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No sir
The writers & talk show guys hate fast paced basketball. D’Antoni could win 7 straight titles & we’d hear “TEH KNICKS DON’T PLAY TEH D” or “Antoni”(cause he has no D!!!!). They just don’t like him & I don’t think anything will change that.
Live ironic and whatnot.
Phil is already coaching the Knicks via long run on text msgs
Dantoni no longer has control and the shadow government Kicks lead by Isaiah is being coached by Jackson.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 8, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
i thought he was running it through peyote induced hallucinations
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 8, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I kid you not Stephen A basically stated this verbatim smdh
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i just wanna see...
Chandler signed, Grant Hill signed, possibly invite Spanoulis to training camp?, hurry and sign extra E and let’s gooooo haha
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and see if we cant pick up ill will on the cheap for the end of the season?
hahaha idk, obviously i havent looked at numbers and almost all of this is impossible
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by Tony Marciano on Dec 8, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
yes bring back Will
can’t we use the MLE after we sign Chandler?
Is it?
I just thought it was strange i meant to put a question mark in there but the Suns? Doesn’t seem right.
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doesnt seem too strange
since theyll need help at the 2 with Vince Carter on the way out
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by Tony Marciano on Dec 8, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
That makes sense
but starting Shannon Brown at the 2? Idk not my team tho but interesting
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they'll have nash
shannon brown and jared dudley on the wings, with gortat and probly frye or warrick or some fool. thats not bad. probably not playoff bound, but if you want to get the big bucks, play next to steve nash for a year.
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Plus possibly Grant Hill again
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i agree...
but in rebuilding mode, Phoenix is not attracting lots of marquee interest and theyre also looking to cut costs, and brown is coming at them relatively on the cheap, comparitively speaking
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by Tony Marciano on Dec 8, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
i mean.. i'm kidding
but yea, he’ll start and get a good 30+ minutes a night. i believe the contract is short… i can’t remember off hand. so you know, he’s looking to set himself up for a big’n
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i actually think the fan post i made earlier about nash coming to our team
is suddenly more intriguing, though it would have to wait until the offseason. if the knicks sign him for 1 year this summer, i’d be pretty hyped, bad back or not.
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by ny knickerbocker on Dec 8, 2011 10:27 PM EST reply actions
I WANNA DO TRAIDS
only thing more overated and soft than osi umenyora is the 2011 eagles
by metseaglesknicks on Dec 8, 2011 10:34 PM EST reply actions
this amuses me
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by ny knickerbocker on Dec 8, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
I feel ike the Chandler deal is as good as done...
but I REALLY want Grant Hill signed too… am I being irrational? haha
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that makes WAYYYY too much sense
can we just rename san antonio the elephant graveyard?
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by ny knickerbocker on Dec 8, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
ewwwww
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by Tony Marciano on Dec 8, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
Grant Hill been re-signed in Phoenix
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i'm resigned to that
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by ny knickerbocker on Dec 8, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
I think we still have a mid level
but I heard things have cooled off of Grant, maybe we’re trying to lock up a point
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 8, 2011 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
Chandler
was huge for dallas L Y i say let add 2 role players and see what happents maybe S Nash
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Yes. Snatch SNash in the offseason
Mid-level would definitely do it.
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by ny knickerbocker on Dec 8, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
maybe im alone on this...
but steve nash addresses zero long term objectives for us. I totally have no desire to get him
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by Tony Marciano on Dec 8, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
i know what you mean, and i'd only bring him on board for one year at most...
but if you win a championship with a 40-year-old steve nash…i mean…that may be the greatest thing ever.
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by ny knickerbocker on Dec 8, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
i understand
but dantoni is on the hot seat for 1 year Nash can run his sysem
okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24 real name jeremy woodard nettleton high class of 02 yes i am a raider Stay humble in victory respect all fear none and finish larry soprano
Come on Seth
What about acquiring Chris Paul would be “foul” or “nonsense” or controversial? If you don’t like the idea, that’s one thing, but to speak of it in nefarious tones doesn’t make sense to me.
well for one
he was traded but the league commisioner intervened at the behest of the ownership at large. any trade AFTER THIS is corrupted.
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by stingy d on Dec 8, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If Paul were allowed to end up on another team.
That team would be considered tainted from the outset, and rightfully so. This is my opinion.
by Seth on Dec 8, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
i agree
fortunately though, it seems EXTREMELY unlikely that he will end up here now…how could Stern allow that to happen? I still think a pairing with Bryant Reeves in Vancouver is the only deal that most of the small-market owners would agree to.
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by ny knickerbocker on Dec 8, 2011 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
I'd say at this point that's all the commish can reasonably do
he’d have to move Paul against his will to a small mrkt team only to have him sign elsewhere later or call the whole thing off and keep him until he leaves as a free agent.
If I’m Paul I might check to see if I can get some scrilla outta litigation for this tho. Stern dictating where he can and can’t go can’t be completely legal can it?
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 8, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
we would never hear the end of it.
Never.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 8, 2011 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
OK, I see your point of view.
My bad. I was thinking you were so against trading for Paul aside from this Lakers business that you were getting overdramatic. I should never have doubted you! Yes, I agree it would be weird and tainted if we traded for Paul now.
Cool, cool
Yeah, pre-this I’d have been pretty thrilled about getting Paul.
by Seth on Dec 8, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
me 2 seth
but the trade was a great b-ball trade for all 3 teams i wouild like a guy like Jmal Crawford at Sg we need role players now
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I'm still processing this.
I don’t understand why the Lakers trade was blocked. I guess I still somehow feel like it’s going to happen, if not in the next day or two.
i hope it happens!
i think it would be great for the league. it would make the lakers weaker and the rockets stronger immediately. whereas it would make the hornets steady for now and set them up nicely for the future.
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I thought i was the only one who thought that trade was a beautiful disaster
Kobe and Paul…great individual players but together? Kobe taking a back seat.. just doesn’t translate to me, triangle and Paul doesn’t translate to me, Mike Brown coaching this new lakers team? And Pau and Odom gone? What happens when the very talented but very fragile Bynum goes on his annual 15 game bed rest? no comprende. no comprende.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 8, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
thats exactly what i thought when i saw the trade
i thought the lakers would be cnsiderably worse. i can’t believe stern blocked this
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I'm with you
I think the trade made the Lakers worse, not better. I don’t think Kobe and Paul would have been a total disaster – they’re each too good – but I think they are severely underestimating what they’re trying to give up. Minus Odom and Gasol, when Bynum gets hurt, that frontcourt is hilariously empty.
good question, i hope stern has a good answer
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 8, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
and that's not even good enough!
then we all have to ask: okay, sterny, but why did you throw a wrench into the deal in the first place?
by latrell chokewell on Dec 8, 2011 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
I honestly think teams had a hunch they were going to do Bynum for Dwight
and no one wants to deal with a CP3, Kobe, Dwight team. Especially not the goddamn Lakers.
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Just like the folded envelope theory with the Ewing pick.
I agree CP3 is stuck this year in Nawleans. Also I thank the comish for looking out for the best interest of the Knickerbockers. just sayin
by cusetownstomp on Dec 9, 2011 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
who would have thought, 24 hours ago,
that we would be praying NOT to get CP3 and that Tyson Chandler was pretty much a Knick… should he just get on a plane so he can develop chemistry with his new teammates? haha
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 8, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
who would have thought, 24 hours ago,
that we would be praying NOT to get CP3 and that Tyson Chandler was pretty much a Knick… should he just get on a plane so he can develop chemistry with his new teammates? haha
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Sooo how long before the NBA does away with the draft
And just assigns players to teams?
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by Ozraider on Dec 8, 2011 10:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
if we're going by pacific coast time
4 hours?
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by ny knickerbocker on Dec 8, 2011 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
Not allowing Paul to go to the Lakers is a really stupid move by the NBA....
He’s leaving NOLA at the end of this short season anyway and going to a big market. Killing this deal guarantees that NOLA is going to SUCK for years to come and basically is like a death knell for the team. Nobody is going to buy that team, I hope the NBA is happy owning it or it will cease to exist. Basically the small market owners are completely destroying a small market program.
CP3 can NOT be traded now
How can the league disallow this and allow a trade to another team? Especially since this trade represented great value for the hornets.
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by Ozraider on Dec 8, 2011 11:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i agree
idk what else they could have wanted.
he is leaving, and honestly telling them now so they can trade him was the best thing he could have done for them.
Now NO gets nothing when he leaves, plus they have a pissed off star for the rest of the year.
Poor showing Stern. Poor.
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by gbaked on Dec 8, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But did Stern block ALL trades of Paul?
Could another team try with success somehow?
Otherwise, well said.
i bet
if another team gives up as much as the knicks did to get melo………
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The Lakers pretty much did
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by Ozraider on Dec 8, 2011 11:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
not quite
if they gave fisher, barnes, and derrick caracter on top of that, then you’d be right.
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well, think of the trade in reverse order
say the Lakers traded Gasol to the Rockets first.
then, they would be giving all this to the Hornets: Odom, Scola, Kevin Martin, Patty Patterson, Chase Budinger, assorted first-round draft picks
when you look at it that way, it’s a lot to give. but it seems weird since the Lakers themselves are were only trading two dudes.
by latrell chokewell on Dec 8, 2011 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
actually
replace Patterson and Budinger with Dragic, but whatever, same difference
by latrell chokewell on Dec 8, 2011 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
How can Stern veto this
And allow another trade? On what basis could this be done? Only teams under 500 can trade for CP3.
The whole situation is a farce.
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by Ozraider on Dec 8, 2011 11:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i mean
that trade was fare. everyone seems to be on board with that.
I do not see how he can approve somewhere else. The gm of NO signed off on it, and seems to be upset it didnt happen.
IMHO, the players union should call for Sterns resignation. no joke.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
They wouldnt get it. Stern isnt about to cave to "Players pressure"
Not even for a second.
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by Chris Child's Fist on Dec 9, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
Now the Knicks have to worry about working out terms with Chandler AND if Stern would nix the deal for "basketball reasons"
by Branta on Dec 8, 2011 10:58 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
he won't
he has no leeway to, Hornets he can pull rank on cause the league owns the team but he at least should have a good reason. Only one guy here can call those types of shots and that’s Isaiah Thomas Dolan.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 8, 2011 11:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I feel like Stern's credibility was already at an all-time low before this
He was a divisive force more than anything during the lockout, which was the second he’s presided over. He doesn’t need the additional negativity he’s going to get from this.
I imagine cooler heads will prevail and the trade will be allowed to go through after everyone takes a step back. But maybe I’m giving him too much credit.
Regardless, what people here have been saying is right – if the owners were so upset about the possibility of Kobe + Paul (which isn’t even as good as Kobe + Odom + Gasol IMO, and I’m a HUGE CP3 backer), then there’s no way they’d be OK with Paul + Chandler + STAT/Melo. Mickey Arison would singlehandedly unleash a shitstorm.
Can David Stern veto Dolan?
only thing more overated and soft than osi umenyora is the 2011 eagles
by metseaglesknicks on Dec 8, 2011 11:02 PM EST reply actions
that was a noble, gracious, logical decision
this cp3 veto has none of those qualities
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by ny knickerbocker on Dec 8, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
No I mean just like veto his existence
only thing more overated and soft than osi umenyora is the 2011 eagles
by metseaglesknicks on Dec 8, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
This is a disaster.
Ignoring for a second how ridiculous this whole saga is, the Lakers are going to be a shitshow this year. Imagine how you feel right now if you’re Pau or Odom? i doubt they want to play for the Lakers anymore at this point. In the past you could say “Well, I bet they respect Phil Jackson enough to play hard anyway,” but now, with a new coach who they don’t know AT ALL? Disaster.
by tkow on Dec 8, 2011 11:05 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
i didnt even think about how the players felt
ohhh that just adds a whole new crazy to this story. Odom didn’t appreciate the trade. At. All.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 8, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
The Lakers are gonna be stuck with Dwight Howard
only thing more overated and soft than osi umenyora is the 2011 eagles
by metseaglesknicks on Dec 8, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
Those poor bastards.
In Donnie we trust.
by $100M Contract on Dec 8, 2011 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
those poor bastards
only thing more overated and soft than osi umenyora is the 2011 eagles
by metseaglesknicks on Dec 8, 2011 11:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i don't get
how they can afford Kobe + Paul + Howard. why is it a foregone conclusion?
I think they are just paying their other players in rings.
Plus any extension Paul and Howard sign is going to be less then players got last year. It really depends on the specifics of the new CBA. We pretty much handcuffed ourselves making the splash last year and we knew that going in. I do agree that the rest of their roster must make no money at all for them to afford the talent they have. I’d investigate some kind of hostage situation or brainwashing.
by Timmaht on Dec 9, 2011 7:33 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Is it just me...
or is time going WAYYYY too sow before tomorrow comes and then before games begin!!! I just want me some basketball
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by Tony Marciano on Dec 8, 2011 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, very excited for tomorrow
Can’t wait to scribble T. Chandler on the back of my singlet and go block some fools at the park
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by Longbeard on Dec 8, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
WOW
@woj To listen to the GM’s, coaches, players, agents reaching out to me tonight: I think the NBA has changed forever with Stern’s act tonight.
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by Ozraider on Dec 8, 2011 11:22 PM EST via mobile reply actions
big statement
but what does he mean by that? i’m not on twitter, so i don’t follow him.
by latrell chokewell on Dec 8, 2011 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
I took it as NBA restricting player movement
Based on what they consider ‘competitive balance’
I also heard Paul is investigating legal action with the NBPA
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by Ozraider on Dec 8, 2011 11:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i think that's a massive over-reaction by everybody
stern’s only killing this deal because he’s the head honcho of the Hornets…right? in that capacity, i guess he’s entitled to his opinion that it’s a bad deal.
but if he is just trying to rig the league, as we all fear, then that’s a MAJOR problem.
by latrell chokewell on Dec 8, 2011 11:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Stern is not the head honcho of the hornets
The GM is, the whole basis of the takeover was that the hornets would be able to operate independent of the league
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by Ozraider on Dec 9, 2011 12:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Totally different situation.
The league made it clear the hornets would br allowed to run independently of the league.
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by Ozraider on Dec 9, 2011 12:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
But they wouldn't. Because of the obvious conflict of interest inherent in taking direction in any team decisions?
And then he went and did.
Fish Fingers give me a break.
by GAx on Dec 9, 2011 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
It's gonna get
real nasty when the next CBA comes up.
Live ironic and whatnot.
by Brian. on Dec 8, 2011 11:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
the current deal is 10 years
with an option for either side to opt out after six years.
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furthermore
if the players knew something like this would be a possibility, they might not have ratified the cba yesterday.
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stern is going to have to resign over this
calling it right now. The players union is going to be pissed.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
by gbaked on Dec 9, 2011 2:40 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i hope so.
but the adam silver is a real snake in the grass too.
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Stoudemire/Howard/Griffin
So my trade of Stoudemire for Howard is not so bad of and idea now.
Who knows maybe it will stil happen.
Especially after we sign T.Chandler and Lakers loose C.Paul.
So we trade Stoudemire for Howard and then ship Howards ass to the Clippers for Griffin/Kaman.
As of now 2012 Knicks:
A.Stoudemire
T.Chandler
C.Anthony
J.Jeffries
L.Fields
C.Billups
G.Hill
T.Douglas
I.Shumpert
Can you imagine Griffin and Kaman with Stoudemire gone.
Not a bad final deal.
Let’s get Knicks!
Yes get the Magic and Clippers deal done.
Only after T.Chandler signs and Seth takes a breather.
uh, you don't want to go down this road with Dizzy
but i do have a question for the Dizzmeister: how do we still have Billups, if we need to amnesty him or trade him to get Chandler? small oversight by you.
by latrell chokewell on Dec 8, 2011 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
Smdh
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by Ozraider on Dec 8, 2011 11:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
"Everyone Love-Hates Dziedzic"
If that’s not the title, I don’t know what is.
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by ny knickerbocker on Dec 8, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
Dizzy wrote a sitcom about Gallo
Called “King of Queens”
KNICKS NOW
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needs to be greenlit asap
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 8, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
trading Amare for Howard is not a bad idea
if we DON"t get Tyson Chandler. If we get Tyson Chandler, having Amar’e makes perfect sense.
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 8, 2011 11:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yep
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by ny knickerbocker on Dec 8, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
You've been posting this in every thread for a week...
that’s not going to ever make it happen.
you the dumbest dum dum
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by stingy d on Dec 8, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I love how I'm browsing through the comments
All about Stern, CP3, Tyson, etc. and then all of the sudden, like that voice in a crowd that forcefully talks over everyone else, I see “Stoudemire/Howard/Griffin”
And I know it’s Dizzy before I even scroll down
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D.Stern/C.P3/T.Yson
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 8, 2011 11:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Stingy D!
Nobody really likes you or what you have to say.
I am sure you cannot play the game along with understanding the game.
Did you say Dim Sum or Dumb-Dumb?
I’ll say it again go root for your Mineesota Timberwolves.
You are not a player on this site but just a person trying to fit in.
Sting d? Stop using this title because you don’t get it.
Furthermore I am probably one of the few that knows you are really trying and learning this game of B-Ball.
I give you credit now just learn.
If you grow we can make you a Knick’s fan in about five years.
Enjoy Minnesota and keep on trying.
I really like stingy d and what he has to say.
by Seth on Dec 9, 2011 9:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
OK
Seth you do have New York vision and I will try to give Sting d some respect.
If he grows a little so will I.
Seth, I really believe he is a Minnesota Timberwolves fan.
it has to be
too funny not to be. lmao, no one likes stingy! that’s rich.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 9, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
me too!
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
The NBA has basically told Chris Paul
You are not allowed to play for a good team.
What a joke.
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by Ozraider on Dec 8, 2011 11:39 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Oz, the league OWNS the hornets..they can trade or not trade whomever they want.
What would have been unlawful and unfair is if they nixed a trade between 2 privately owned teams.
Ok
So they have said we are only trading you to a crap team.
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by Ozraider on Dec 8, 2011 11:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i don't know which one of you to agree with
to be honest, i don’t think the logic behind stern’s decision is actually out there at this point. at least, i haven’t heard a believable reason yet. the two major ones have been:
1. the lakers are getting a raw deal…really, when they’re getting the best PG in the league?
2. the small-market owners objected…really, when the hornets are getting 5 quarters for a dollar, and taking away their chance to trade cp3 in this deal probably HURTS them?
3. the league shouldn’t lower the value of the new orleans franchise by trading paul…really, because if they don’t trade paul, they’ll lose him for nothing?
i see no logic behind this decision. To paraphrase, something is rotten in the state of Sternmark.
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by ny knickerbocker on Dec 8, 2011 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
I dont understand people saying they are lowering the value of the franchise by trading Paul
Paul is leaving anyway and the best thing for the franchise is to get the best deal which this seems to be.
This was a fair trade and the Hornets were acting independantly of the league.
The whole situation is a travesty
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by Ozraider on Dec 9, 2011 12:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
that's what i'm saying in #3
it makes no sense from any perspective
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by ny knickerbocker on Dec 9, 2011 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
Apparently Mark Cuban was the most vociferous owner against this trade
and he has been clearing cap space, as evidenced by us ending up with Chandler, so he could take a run at CP3 or Deron or Dwight next year.
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stern wants paul in ny lol
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But Stern specifically said
he wouldn’t get involved in NOLA’s day to day transactions. And he went against that due to the owners complaining. I don’t see how Stern lasts any longer as Commissioner since the owners are gonna push him around like he’s a chump.
Live ironic and whatnot.
I've never hoped a good player would sign with the Lakers before now.
But I hope he signs for the 1-yr mini midlevel next summer and then re-ups for the max a year later just to say “Fuck You” to the NBA.
can he do that under the cba?
if so, i hope he does it with us once we have his best buddies melo and chandler alongside amare…
I don't see why not.
I’m pretty sure 3 mil (which is what the mini MLE is worth) is enough to secure bird rights. And yes, I’d rather he do it here too, but in reality, I doubt he does either one.
absolutely agree to be honest - not going to happen...
but if he had been signing for a fa deal of 4 years for 58m with us vs 4 years of 74m somewhere else (let alone the 100m if he had the trade) how much would he actually lose by signing for 2.5/3m for one year and the 100m for 5, which he would be able to do because of bird rights? thats 102.5m over 6 years!
but yeah, not going to happen, and anyway later today we should have an absolute beast of a frontcourt so im delirious – especially if we get baron davis!
On a cursory glance...
He would lose about 15 mil. The fact remains that he could sign a max with the Hornets and then in the sixth year, another max with them. So he would lose the difference between one year’s max and the full MLE (we could offer the full 5 mil since we wouldn’t be over the tax line), There could be more that I haven’t considered.
what about the major risk of a one-year deal?
say CP3 loses both of his legs in a horrific hopscotch accident? he’s gonna wish that he signed the big FA deal. pride comes before the fall, and so does greed. better make sure both feet land in that guaranteed chalk box!
by latrell chokewell on Dec 9, 2011 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
That's why I'm saying he would never do it.
Merely a hypothetical. If you’re referring to things I haven’t considered, I was thinking more along the lines of money, but that’s very true.
the NBA's trying to sell the Hornets
what if a potential owner was not gonna buy the team now that he didn’t get the trade he wants
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If a new owner wants a say he needs to put up the money
The GM made the trade end of story.
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by Ozraider on Dec 9, 2011 12:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
you can't see it?
this sets a very bad precedent, to have a commissioner cave like that, especially when the trade was absolutely 100% fair for the hornets.
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by LatrellSprewell on Dec 9, 2011 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
"What's the big deal
if we rule ONE TIME that separating black and white children into separate schools is unconstitutional? It’s not like everyone will then assume that separate but equal is not, in fact, equal."
Precedence: Can you dig it?
nothing to do with precedent. the league owns the team. once they sell it to a private investor they will no longer have the power to nix trades.
If i buy a ferrari i can pour gasoline on it and burn it. doesnt have to make sense or be fair.
You are completely missing the point.
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by Ozraider on Dec 9, 2011 12:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
And the reports are
That the league has been consulted throughout the negotiations only to can the deal after it had been done.
Justify that!
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by Ozraider on Dec 9, 2011 12:54 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Great article from Woj
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by Ozraider on Dec 9, 2011 12:21 AM EST via mobile reply actions
yeah this is fantastic
he got some great quotes in there, and the bit about Dell Demps considering quitting was another good bit of reporting.
and this article makes it clear: Stern is within his rights to kill the deal, but it makes him an asshole and ruins things for at least a few teams. in fact, this is really bad for the Hornets. if they can’t function as an NBA team, and no one wants to buy the team to fix this, then how does this spiral end in anything but the Hornets being contracted?
i guess what i’m trying to say is, this article does a good job of exposing the ripple effect of Stern exercising ownership power. he really only should have stepped in if the Hornets were giving away Paul for free. otherwise, the waves he’s making are too dangerous.
by latrell chokewell on Dec 9, 2011 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
I am getting irate about these shenanigans.
Whoever said that this is hurting the game more than the lockout is absolutely right. 100%. The owners have no right – NONE – to decide that a player can’t go to a certain team because he wants to go there. WHAT KIND OF HORSESHIT IS THIS?? How can a player’s desire about where he wants to play be taken out of the equation?
What makes this so incredibly absurd is that the Lakers aren’t even Chris Paul’s top choice! The Knicks are! So what, now a player can’t go to ANY team that he wants to go to? What’s the rule, he’s not allowed to go to any of his top 5 destinations? He has to go to a team he doesn’t want to play for? This is utter bullshit. I have half a mind to go protest at the league offices. Fuck the owners and fuck David Stern.
by Joamiq on Dec 9, 2011 3:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Could someone please explain because I don't understand
When the headlines say “the NBA blocked the trade” does it mean:
1) The entire Lakers organization and the entire Hornets organization agreed to the deal, but the NBA in its oversight capacity blocked the deal (like what happened in the NHL with Kovalchuk)
OR
2) the Lakers organization discussed the deal with the Hornets GM but never finalized the deal when the NBA, as the owner of the Hornets, shot down the trade before it was ever fully agreed to between the teams (like what happened when Dolan ruined the ’Melo trade Donnie Walsh had brewing)
If its # 2, then fine. If its # 1, I got beef.
by nynobis on Dec 9, 2011 12:28 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
just read the Woj article posted above
should answer all your questions
by latrell chokewell on Dec 9, 2011 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
I read it a second time and still don't understand
Reading the article is what caused me to ask the question in the first place. When the article says Demps purportedly had authority to make trade but, it sounds like a Dolan stepping on Donnie Walsh kind of scenario. When the article says trade was “consummated” [oh Woj!!] etc sounds like Demps did have authority and finished trade other than the ‘review by the nba’ aspect which killed it a la Kovalchuk.
Step 1 GM negotiates trade
Step 2 Owner oks trade
Step 3 NBA approves trade
Did the deal get killed at step 2 or step 3???Since the NBA is both owner and approver in this case I haven’t read 1 article that makes the distinction and clearly sets forth whether NBA nixed the deal as owner or as approver. It makes a huge difference especially w respect to Pauls supposed NBPA lawsuit
by nynobis on Dec 9, 2011 2:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
got killed at step two
but there’s a huge conflict of interest at steps 2 and 3 since the NBA is both the owner and the league, which is probably the angle that the lawsuit is going to target.
by latrell chokewell on Dec 9, 2011 2:40 AM EST up reply actions
The Lakers, Hornets and Rockets were excited for the deal.
Some owners got upset, cited that the new collective bargaining agreement was put in place specifically to stop things of this nature, David Stern took that as his queue to shut it down, pissing off all three franchises, and strongly setting the stage for Chris Paul to play out his string with the Hornets. It cripples the Hornets strategically. The Rockets have to explain to about five players that they weren’t actually in this year’s plans. Every single one of the Lakers best players is angry.
It’s a clusterfuck, excuse my language.
by Osborn on Dec 9, 2011 12:33 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, exactly.
Paul isn’t happy, Kobe probably isn’t too pleased, Pau and Odom are pissed, Scola, Martin, and Dragic are angry, Dell Demps is mad, you get the point. Stern is an idiot.
Who saw Dan Gilbert's email to Stern
What a bitch that guy is.
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by seton hall and steelers on Dec 9, 2011 12:32 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Here it is
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ys-nba_dan_gilbert_email_lakers_hornets_trade_120811
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by Ozraider on Dec 9, 2011 12:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The NBA has done more damage to the league with this action
Than the lockout ever could have.
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by Ozraider on Dec 9, 2011 12:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
And leaves the hornets at the end of the season with no compensation to the franchise
The hornets and the city of New Orleans got screwed more than anyone. I don’t give a shit about the Lakers.
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by Ozraider on Dec 9, 2011 12:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
like i said in my other post
i think this means the franchise is going to fold.
or, at the very least, the league will allow a new owner to move it from Louisiana, since there’s no hope left in New Orleans.
by latrell chokewell on Dec 9, 2011 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
I think that's a fair notion actually
not sure I totally agree, but yeah, if you’re not free to shape your team within the rules, what’s the point of competing?
The league is not acting in the best interests of the franchise
THAT is what makes it wrong.
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by Ozraider on Dec 9, 2011 12:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
yeah, you're right
the true argument is not if the league has the right to kill the deal (the NBA absolutely does). it’s whether or not they should have exercised this power. i don’t blame the other guy for harping on that, i missed it the first time around too.
by latrell chokewell on Dec 9, 2011 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
This line is hilarious...
When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?
This.
No one has had much time to process this, but the Lakers may be better off. Of course that doesn’t take into account that they have at least two VERY unhappy players right now.
Hmmm
Immediately after the trade would that be about the same team and maybe slightly worse off? Yes. Does having Chris Paul going forward prevent this team from ever going into a true rebuilding mode. Yes. It is a no brainer for the Lakers, getting the best PG in the league in his prime while keeping Bynum and Kobe. Complete no brainer that must be done.
by James Angelo on Dec 9, 2011 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
I agree...
the Lakers would be weaker in the short term but the deal would leave them in a position to go after Dwight Howard which would basically be a forgone conclusion.
The Hornets are the big losers here. They would’ve been a solid team, definitely a better team than they are now and a way better team than they will be next season.
by robk on Dec 9, 2011 12:48 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
well yeah...with dwight forget about it...
in this respect THANK YOU DAN GILBERT!!! FUCK THE LAKERS!! FUCK EM IN THE ASS!!!
was the email
in comic sans when he sent it?
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
WOW
That email is just… wow. Gilbert is either a brilliant troll of logic, or a moron of the highest degree. I’m actually leaning towards the former, because I don’t think anyone could actually be this stupid.
How could you simultaneously scream about one side in a trade getting all the talent AND all the salary relief when the player you’re screaming about is only under contract for one more year?? Yes, Chris Paul is an amazing player, but having him for only one year is of limited value. Now of course he’s expected to sign an extension with the Lakers, but then the salary relief goes out the window! It’s not like they’re getting 5 years of Chris Paul for fucking free!
And never mind that the money the Lakers are clearing is going to players who are worth it
Gasol and Odom aren’t overpaid. They’re clearing talent as well as cap space. It’s risky.
Larry Coon hit the nail on the head:
Fact or Fiction: This was just a case of an NBA owner vetoing a trade.
Larry Coon, ESPN.com: Fiction. It’s not clear at this point whether Stern was acting within his broad authority as commissioner or in his fiduciary position over the Hornets. But Gilbert’s letter is a smoking gun. Read it carefully; he talks about what the deal will do for the Lakers and what it will do for non-taxpayers such as himself. He never mentions what it will do for the Hornets. Gilbert called on Stern to let the “29 owners of the Hornets” vote, but his letter made it clear the Hornets were the least of his concerns.
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Absolutely right.
They’re clearing some serious talent. So much so that I don’t even think this is a good deal for the Lakers.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 9, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Man
I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I can’t fucking wait for this free agency drama to stop. Stern has officially lost control of the league, somehow he did it right on the day the CBA was ratified. This is fucking insane if this deal doesn’t go through, forcing cp3 into free agency is ABSURD. I’m praying we don’t get dragged into this mess, cause it could get ugly.
robk makes a good point...this trade would have guaranteed dwight with cp3
even if it would have made the hornets better gilberts point was that it would have made lakers winning the next 3 championships inevitable…which is what inspired the washington generals reference….
nothing is inevitable
see: dallas.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/
ANYTHING IS POSSIBLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 9, 2011 5:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
just casually throwing another bombshell into this thread
by latrell chokewell on Dec 9, 2011 12:52 AM EST reply actions
talking points:
1) why?
2) do the Nets have the assets?
3) does this have anything to do with the Chris Paul debacle?
by latrell chokewell on Dec 9, 2011 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
makes sense to me
he can’t come here even if he wanted to unless we trade STAT and or manage to get another team to help with draft picks, Stern will never let him get to LA now at this point…NJ soon to be BK is the next best mrkt for him plus they are under cap and can eat Turkey Lou’s contract and manage to give up supporting cast and possibly picks if it comes to that. It’ll clean them out but it’s possible and it makes sense for both parties.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 9, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
jesus christ
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by Thelonious Dunk on Dec 9, 2011 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
also doesn't that leave cp3 as the ugly sister at the ball?
cant play with howard as they will keep dwill, cant go to the lakers with kobe (no cap space) and cant play with either melo or best bud tyson chandler as we’ve no cap space! he must be really fucked off today!
Especially considering a major part of Gilberts hussy fut
Was about the lakers being able to get Howard as well.
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by Ozraider on Dec 9, 2011 1:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
well now there should be a lot less resistance to the Paul trade from owners
since the Lakers can’t pair CP3 with Howard but would the Lakers be willing to do this trade now?
by ubd on Dec 9, 2011 1:05 AM EST up reply actions
Clearly you opinion on the issue is completely biased
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by Ozraider on Dec 9, 2011 12:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Speak for yourself
I hate the Lakers tok but it doesn’t stop me from being able to see right from wrong.
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by Ozraider on Dec 9, 2011 12:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
so when jerry west helps his old team trading pau gasol for couple of jock straps you think thats fair..
remember when mom use to say two wrongs dont make a right….they actually do sometimes and this is one of them.
The Grizzlies did fine in that deal Marc Gasol is a stud
And that has nothing to do with this situation.
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by Ozraider on Dec 9, 2011 1:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
umm its called not getting away with murder....twice.
p.s. marc gasol was a complete revelation after-the-fact. he was a 2nd round pick for chrysake.
Either way it has nothing to do with the Paul trade
And as I have said don’t give a crap about the Lakers side of the deal I am pissed that the Hornets are not being able to make the best deal for them.
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by Ozraider on Dec 9, 2011 1:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
this sucks
the dwight report makes me want to throwup…..i mean come on dwight…fuck man are you serious?! DID WE REALLY FUCKING FUCK UP AGAIN AS A FRANCHISE GOD DAMNIT SHIT COCK BALLS.
I don't understand what you are saying
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by Ozraider on Dec 9, 2011 1:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
no, the Knicks didn't screw up
Howard wants out now, we can’t help him unless the Magic are going to take a package consisting of:
One (1) Chauncey Billups contract, nearly expired
Three (3) authentic New York hot dogs, mustard included
Twenty ($20) US Dollars, maybe enough for a NY cab fare if you’re not going too far
by latrell chokewell on Dec 9, 2011 1:07 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm saying
did we really manage to trade for Melo (which I was totally in favor for)
but then Deron Williams, CP3, and Dwight Howard were all moved AFTER OUR TRADE?! SHIT MAN! WE GOT THE WORST ONE (AND I FUCKING LOVE MELO!)
Melo is my favorite athlete today.
but dude isn’t a better pair with Stat and Chandler than Deron would ever be.
I dunno man.
I agree for the most part with your assessment of their rankings but you have to do what’s available at the time. Hindsight is 20/20.
Can we trade the Celtics
a bag of cheetos for Rondo?
Im sorry
There are few people who can score like Melo in the league and have that clutch gene. There are at least 5 pg’s that give similar production to williams
You have it backwards.
Melo is a supremely talented scorer, yes, but replacing scoring is not nearly as hard as replacing elite PG skills.
Everyone thought we were getting LeBron but it didn't happen
We could have ended up with nothing.
Playing the we could’ve done this or that with things that may not have happened is stupid and pointless
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by Ozraider on Dec 9, 2011 1:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Also
Were much better than Deron, Dwight, and the rest of that team. There is literally no one else of worth on that team.
I have complete confidence in Tyson to guard Dwight. I would have no confidence if Travis Outlaw was guarding Melo
HA!!
We ain’t getting CP3 now you mad!!
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 9, 2011 5:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
A little suspicious of the howard shit.
Shocked he didn’t demand a trade to the Lakers
I don't understand why Howard would want to go to the Nets to play with Williams
They’re both free agents after this year. Why wouldn’t he try to convince Williams to sign with the Magic next year so Dwight could stay in his goddamn sunny weather? Or just sign elsewhere together? Why try to force it to happen in New Jersey?
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But i really don’t believe this howard shit. It doesn’t add up
Nets Don't Need Howard
They need the other Chandler.
W.Chandler to be their SF and backup PF when playing small.
W.Chandler at the 3 = championship in the Dziedzic league
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Umm yes they do.
If they amnesty Arenas and Howard opts out (Bass could opt out too), they’re well under the cap next summer. Then they can sign Williams up to the cap and exceed it to resign Dwight.
they want to have their cake and eat it too
extensions with Bird Rights = more $$$
if they go somewhere as free agents, they don’t get the scrilla
by latrell chokewell on Dec 9, 2011 1:11 AM EST up reply actions
Fair point.
It still seems odd though, given how insistent Dwight has seemed about going someplace with warm weather. Would have thought that was worth a discount, the way he emphasizes it.
Howard
it makes no sense…I truly believe this dude is warm weather + out of the eastern conference kind of guy…I mean the Clippers just seems perfect? I’m willing to bet that Prokhorov paid $100,000 to leak this out there to keep the Nets relevant.
I have a feeling this is not true also
The Lakers show they are willing to trade for you and all of sudden you wanna go to the Nets
by michael28102 on Dec 9, 2011 1:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That, AND
you have a chance to join Blake Griffin in the sun and get out of the Eastern Conference cluster fuck….but you want to go try and steal limelight in NY? It makes no sense to me unless Dwight really wants to go for Lebron and Wade’s throat this bad.
ThAT and
No one but Broussard has reported it.
here's my read on Dwight
- he wants to be famous (so he has to be the #1 option, can’t play with Kobe)
- he wants to hang with his bros (i guess Deron Williams is his bro more than Blake Griffin)
- he wants to make a lot of money (gotta get a Bird extension)
- he wants to win (to be more famous than he is in Orlando)
that’s why he wants to go to Brooklyn, to be the face of an expansion franchise with another good player. so he can win and get famous-er. and D-Will is his bro.
by latrell chokewell on Dec 9, 2011 1:20 AM EST up reply actions
Your Right
The newspaper business is a financial disaster.
The Russians are known to buy off newspapers.
The newspaper people are so desperate and take the money.
Sleazy newspaper people.
I'm on NetsDaily as well in the Howard thread.
I’m being quite courteous and none of the fans are being dickish or anything, but a lot of them are going on about how they one-upped the Knicks. I’ve never understood looking at moves your team makes as they compare to what another one does. And this coming from a Mets fan.
by tkow on Dec 9, 2011 1:18 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
they have an inferiority complex
can’t blame ’em
by latrell chokewell on Dec 9, 2011 1:20 AM EST up reply actions
yo, they are rabid over there
I cant even manage to scroll thru all those comments…and they do not like us. at. all.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 9, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
well they did sort of
but i think our team is still as good overall
This has been a crazy day....
I think we have probably had more posts today than any other even than when we were going through the melodrama. Insane! One thing is for sure, I hope this trade (for Chandler) goes through I think we will be in a very good place once it does.
burp
i think we shouldnt remind them, dont mention
Opinion
Dan Gilbert was the driving force behind the Lakers deal getting shot down. He cited the possible addition of Dwight Howard joining in the future as one of his reasons it was unfair. Is this report meant to throw them off track?
Looks like we might be right
Broussard is slowly backing off this
Dead before it starts? Maybe it was never legit?
Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
You guys are right – in light of league’s decision on CP trade, it could kill D12 to NJ before it starts, at least that seems plausible
2 minutes ago
no, he's just hedging
looks to me like Broussard wants another chance to be right – if Stern pulls a “Wildcard, bitches!” on the D12 deal, and Broussard suggests the possibility on Twitter, he can pretend to be clairvoyant.
by latrell chokewell on Dec 9, 2011 1:40 AM EST up reply actions
there isn't a single package the nets could put together
that could touch what was just offered for CP3
Lopez
Brook Lopez = Literally the worst rebounding center in the entire NBA
for
Dwight Howard = The best rebounding center in the entire NBA
League vote? FAIL
Prokhorov throws in exotic Russian stripper party with cocaine for owners?
League vote? PASS!
mikhail "hookers and blow" prohkorov
has a certain ring to it, don’t you think? maybe jay-z can make this his new official nickname…
by latrell chokewell on Dec 9, 2011 1:46 AM EST up reply actions
if Dwight knew
that even at this house the BQE had traffic on it, and that no one in their right mind travels to brooklyn that often from outside of brooklyn….
he’d request a trade to toronto :D
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I’ve been drinking, doing hw, and reading too much nba for one day
they are also offering 2 first rd picks
I think your views involving this matter are slightly biased
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 9, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
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Hornets front office is unclear how it’s supposed to proceed w/ CP3. Must they keep him? Search other deals? “Will learn soon,” source says.
The NBA is a joke, thank you commissioner for making the league a farce you dumb jackass.
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by Ozraider on Dec 9, 2011 1:51 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Especially since its new shit this early in the am. Me thinks its just noise. A flushing toilet noise.
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Especially since its new shit this early in the am. Me thinks its just noise. A flushing toilet noise.
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 9, 2011 5:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
A few days ago, Chris Paul was “demanding” a trade to the Knicks, and if he didn’t get it would just sign with them as a free agent. We saw yesterday what bullshit that was. There’s still a route for Howard to go to LA even if they get Paul, so why would he do this?
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Ken Berger hinted at something I hadn't considered.
What if the players decide to go on strike after this? I can’t even comprehend how awful that would be. Holy shit, Stern is stupid.
I doubt the day passes without the deal going through in some form or another
I can’t even consider the consequences of this decision being upheld. Is the NBA really willing to fight this battle, when you consider the pending legal action which will probably end up in favor of the players? The league will take a massive PR hit if it doesn’t reconsider.
I really am enjoying seeing Gilbert’s hypocrisy exposed after he called out LeBron for being “entitled,” because his entire operational philosophy as Cavs owner is based on abstract claims of being “entitled” to this and that. LeBron never bothered to call out Gilbert publicly and now he might finally be seen as the “good guy” in all of this, which seems absurd but is perfectly rational, isn’t it?
but yeah, it’s infuriating, Gilbert is upset that his team is becoming the “Washington Generals,” maybe he should stop running his team like a slave driver… OKC is doing pretty well for a “small market” team because they have forward thinking, player friendly management
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by The Rooster on Dec 9, 2011 4:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That last paragraph
Isn’t that also what NOLA mgmt was also trying to do? Be smart and not get fucked by CP3 (who doesn’t deserve any blame in this – not that I can see anyone has considered) leaving scott free. But Dan Gilbert his shows his true colors in that he’ll happily bend anyone over a table for his own personal gain. And of course in typical Dan Gilbert fashion, only a douche bag lets his stupidity out into public domain. If ever a team needed a boycott, Cleveland (sorry neighbors and no offense) is calling. Dolan is looking like an altar boy more and more each day. And Mark Cuban…damn I’ve had alot of respect for the guy over the years, but in a short time he’s offered me nothing but a short term memory with no respect to give.
The league owns the Hornets, so while I don’t think they should have blocked this trade, I also think they have the right to do so. It’s a completely unique situation. Let Paul sue if he wants to, that’s his right as well. The idea that the rest of the players will now give up their paychecks after finally getting them back in support of Chris Paul is absolutely ludicrous. You think they’re going to strike because Paul might only eventually make 15 million per year instead of 20? Like I said, the league owning the Hornets makes this unique.
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I wasn't talking players strike - I'm talking Gilbert is a buffoon and an embarrassment to his team
I wish fans had the balls to stay home. Yeah I am being extreme and no, I really don’t care about CP3 or the Lakers though I think Paul is a decent classy guy. But I hate watching assholes run teams and into the ground at that cuz they think it’s a boardroom business but have no clue. Allasudden these guys want to cry foul when the first real words he writes of personal protest is how he’ll lose cash from taxing LA as is. Then writes the rest which is superficially bullshit and speculation unless his magic 8 ball actually worked today. I normally would support owners in these cases and did at the lockouts beginning, but there’s too many halfwits trying to ruin the pot for everyone else. Please David, save us from ouirselves for we know not what we do. Seriously, fuck CP and his cash. I love the guy and I don’t want him here so I’m not on that train either. Now put Chandler on that train, a guy who I know is a risk but a tremendously greater need, and I’m all aboard. If the players wanna s’port CP then they can petition. But I’d love to see guys Stern (who I thought was awesome coming into the lockout), Gilbert etc outta the game cuz they’re absolutely ruining it. MMA is my sport and despise hip-hop (sorry fellas) but somehow I follow BB like no other sport. So yeah fuckers, stop fucking up my NBA.
nobody cares about the Lakers enough to do that
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It's hard to pass judgment on NOLA
because the strategy of their management (Demps) differs greatly from that of their ownership (Stern). Since being hired, Demps has made a lot of savvy moves to build an overachieving team out of nothing while developing a strong personal relationship with Paul. When it became clear that Paul wouldn’t come back, he moved to acquire talent in return and put the franchise in the best possible future position.
The Cavs meanwhile made desperate trade after desperate trade, acquiring players with name value while not improving as a team, somehow failing to find ANY decent young players to develop much less find LeBron a good #2 option. At least Paul had David West, who is better than anyone LeBron ever played with on the Cavs.
The Hornets are probably in such a bad position because their previous GM (Bower) really sucked, and by the time Demps took over Paul already had one foot out the door. But that shouldn’t negate the great work Demps has done and is continuing to do.
TYBG
I feel the same way.
It would be mind boggling if this didn’t go through eventually, somehow, some way.
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by Rorschach44 on Dec 9, 2011 5:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Why trade him, really?
Do we need the cap space? Isn’t Turiaf a perfect backup center? Six fouls and boatloads of energy.
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Yes they're doing it for cap space
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That would be hilarious (and brilliant, unfortunately it’s too smart to be realistic).
I dunno why all these assholes decide to print these half baked trades
that dude comes off as a dziedzic type lunatic. Carmelo made us trade for him, so the right thing to do is to trade him for a PG, cuz we need a PG?
What’s with all this need bullshit anyway? Lets keep trading away things to fill needs, then open up new needs and make trades there.
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I think we're much better off with Carmelo, Amare and Chandler instead of Williams, Amare and Chandler
Or at least I’d like to see Carmelo with a full year here before we even think about getting rid of him (although I’d like to stop with this trade crap all together). Something about seeing how he trained this offseason and the fact he wanted to come here so bad….I dunno about making them better.
I think we’d also have a much better chance of finding a PG (cough, Baron Davis) instead of finding someone to fill Carmelo’s void..and yes, there is a void between Carmelo and Williams.
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Man I'm tired of this crap
Can we just go play ball
by screamedia on Dec 9, 2011 8:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think the Hornets got a good deal.
One draft pick.
NO young prospects, just a bunch of one dimensional players and an aging versatile point forward. How will Hornets rebuild into a contender with these guys?
For CP3, I’d expect more draft picks and Bynum in some sort of combo of players.
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agreed
they had a decent team after the trade. I think it was actually a well put together team to build on the fly, all those parts they got seemed to fit well together. But they got nothing with regards to potential.
The Jazz got Derek Favors, the Knuggets got Chan and Cock, etc. The Lakers got Paul AND cap relief. That’s ridiculous.
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until Paul actually signs a new contract you can't rule him out
he’s already said (or in whatever sort of backway he’s been “saying” things) he’d be interested in taking less then the max to come here.
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That's awesome news cuz until reading this I thoiught restructures were impossible
“By working with Carmelo Anthony, Amar’e Stoudemire and, perhaps, Chandler to restructure their contracts through a provision included in the new collective bargaining agreement, which was ratified and approved on Thursday.”
name one nba player
who makes… 8 million or more that would be willing to make their contract last longer, for the same dollar amount? these guys want the most money in the shortest time. that way they can be eligible for a new contract and still be able to garner enough interest to make major figures.
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we're gonna have to see I guess
also, I wonder if this could be a thing like they reduce their salary by 40% for one season, then tack that on for the rest of the team or maybe an extra year.
The only way we’ll find out is if dude makes it to free agency I guess.
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When can we put pen to paper?
What time today do the rumors end and we can sign free agents??
I know
I just want something inked and over with.
In other Knick news per twitter
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Free agent forward Shelden Williams will sign a one-year deal with the New Jersey Nets, league sources tell Y! Sports.
5 minutes ago
Interesting from Hahn
Haven’t yet heard how #Knicks feel, but keep hearing that Baron Davis is already in an Empire State of Mind. Cavs still have to amnesty.
and
Again, even if Davis is waived and clears, no guarantee #Knicks want him if he’s available.
You wonder if Gilbert will amnesty him after the Paul dilemma
knowing he’ll end up on a contender
TYBG
because he really is that much of an asshole
prob won’t just let dudes walk off his plantation like that
TYBG
by The Rooster on Dec 9, 2011 9:33 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You'd think some team under the cap would want him?
Then again, maybe he is such a malcontent that that’s not true. Anyway, I’m all about boom dizzle on the Knicks, ‘cause he’d be happy (and good) if healthy.
Seth
Seth, apply for the Knicks GM position.
I will back you up because I am Dizzy.
Let’s get T.Chandler in the fold today and then go after D.Howard to get B.Griffin/C.Kaman.
Taht Stingy d guy is just learning to become one of us.
Your a true Knicks man like myself.
“GO NEW YORK GO”
Explain the following
1. Why shouldn’t the Magic just go after Blake and Kaman
2. Why aren’t the clippers running to offer blake for dwight right now
please dont
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 9, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Seth
It’s a simple fact that Chris Paul is a among the best players in the NBA. Why Shouldn’t the Knicks go after him?
On a side note, I am sick of the Lakers and can not wait for the NBA to be free of Kobe Bryant
by Guess Who's Back? on Dec 9, 2011 10:03 AM EST reply actions
The Knicks never give up that easy. Marbury, Francis, McGrady, when the Knicks want somebody they will not stop until they get them
by Guess Who's Back? on Dec 9, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
Marbury, Francis and McGrady are the names you bring up?
maybe that’s why they should let this go….
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Dec 9, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
The scary thing is
Baron Davis would fit perfectly in that group
by michael28102 on Dec 9, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
1) Baron Davis would just be a short term stop gap
while CP3 would be a long term ‘answer’, signed to a gigantic contract
and 2) Baron Davis is still good, not expected to save the franchise like Marbury/Francis and also would be playing on an already good team that just could use a veteran PG, let alone one that can go off for 30 and 10 of swishing and dishing.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Business decision
My guess is that Stern lets a trade go through with a marquee player going to the Hornets.
I think from a business standpoint letting Paul go was a horrible idea. The Hornets were essentially alienating 10,000 season ticket holders by trading Paul for tier 2/3 players. If this deal was a trade of Paul and Okefor for Bynum and Gasol I doubt there would have been a veto.
Moreover, the trade would have almost capped NO out with 8 players and not one superstar, and made things difficult for the franchise next year. It was just a bad trade on the Hornet’s part, especially with how much salary was being taken on and any sensible owner would have done well to veto it.
There's a famous quote
By George W that goes like this: “I’m abandoning free market principles to save the free market.”
I’m not entirely sure why, but I feel like this is analogous to Stern’s actions in this case
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
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