The Knicks have a lot of work to do today. (Updated at 12:44 PM)
by Seth on Dec 9, 2011 9:09 AM EST
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PrintSo, as far as we can tell, when free agency opens at 2 PM today, the Knicks intend to sign Tyson Chandler to a contract amounting to about $58 million over four years. This is assuming that the poop-flinging going on elsewhere doesn't interfere, which I sure hope it won't (incidentally, discussion of that Chris Paul situation is welcome (including this and this), though I'd appreciate if we could keep it in the appropriate thread and save this one for Chandler stuff this morning). So, what's standing between the Knicks and an interior defensive presence? Well...
They need to get rid of Chauncey Billups. Sorry, Chauncey. Here's Howard Beck on that:
If the Knicks cannot trade Billups, they will use the N.B.A.’s new amnesty provision to remove his $14.2 million salary from the payroll. Billups would still earn the full amount and would be placed on waivers.
Seems pretty straightforward. Again, sorry it has to go like this, Chauncey. Here are very many dollars to soothe your disgruntlement. Now, everyone's saying that Ronny Turiaf has to go as well. This doesn't quite make sense to me, so I'll let Beck provide the details:
The Knicks have about $62 million in committed salaries — about $4 million over the projected cap — and must still sign their rookies, Iman Shumpert and Josh Harrelson. They can cut about $19.6 million by unloading Billups and Turiaf and withdrawing Derrick Brown’s qualifying offer ($1.1 million).
The Knicks would need about $13 million in cap room to give Chandler a four-year, $55.5 million deal.
Why one needs to cut $19.6 million to spend $13 million is beyond me, but I'll assume that the Knicks aren't just wildly detonating payroll and there's a method to these moves. (If you are more than insightful than I am, feel free to explain in the comments. A lot of us are wondering). Anyway, if Billups gets amnestied, ditching Ronny (sorry, Ronny) will require a trade partner. Marc Berman explains that that'll take some finagling:
The holdup is center Ronny Turiaf also has to be traded for a draft pick to open the needed cap space to have Chandler start at nearly $14 million per season. According to sources, the Turiaf trade last night was stopping the deal from being consummated. Turiaf has chronic knee issues and may need to pass a physical.
Turiaf would likely be dealt for a draft pick or something, (unless somebody wants to offer the Knicks some point guard depth? Anybody? No? Okay.) which I would imagine is an attainable deal somewhere, right?. Just need to find a willing partner.
So that's what's up today. Oh, and Shelden Williams just signed with the Nets. That's always seemed like a good fit for him. He just seems like a Net, ya know? But hey, good signing, Nets. He's a serviceable player. Best of luck, Shelden. (Not you Shawne! You come back! You were always our favorite Shwilliams! We told you that, right?).
I'll update and create new threads throughout the day. <3.
Update: Howard Beck: "Tyson Chandler deal will be done today, w/Billups amnestied, according to source. Not clear where Turiaf going yet, but he'll be traded."
Neat.
Update: Beck again: Knicks have about 5 scenarios in play for trading Turiaf to clear more cap room for Tyson Chandler. One of them gets done today, I'm told.
Update: ESPN's Tim McMahon: Tyson Chandler confirms on ESPN 103.3's Ben and Skin Show that he's agreed with the Knicks. NO sign-and-trade with the Mavs.
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My best case scenario...
Today… we ink Chandler and Grant Hill (need his vet presence).
Tomorrow… Carmelo, Stat and Chandler agree to restructure their contracts so we have room to bring in quality support.
BAM! Cannot wait for this all to work itself out!
i heard the new CBA doesnt allow players to restructure their contract
by blackhova on Dec 9, 2011 9:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Supposedly in the new CBA players can
They can restructure for longer term and reduce their annual by no more than 40%
I still have it in the fine print to believe it
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
i still say
there is not a single player in the league, especially the high paid players, willing to restructure their deal to make the same amount of money for an extended period of time. its just the most implausible business decision i have ever heard.
someone like jeff foster might do that. because he wants to retire with the pacers, and he’ll leave money on the table to realize that. but, i just dont see amar’e (for instance) delaying a contract year out of the kindness of his heart.
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A draft pick may not be the best thing for us to acquire before the Chandler signing...
Because that gives us an asset and Chris Paul still hasn’t been dealt. I’m scared little Jimmy in the big boys’ office may do something stupid in that scenario.
In Donnie we trust.
Oh I'm sure it won't be...
But if NO has no other choice and all of a sudden calls the Knicks because Paul refuses any other trades gulp It’s a stretch I know, but before yesterday signing Chandler was a stretch too…
In Donnie we trust.
by $100M Contract on Dec 9, 2011 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah
Can’t see how Dan Gilbert and these other sissies wouldn’t also object to a deal with the Knicks. Whatever. I’d like to keep this thread for Chandler purposes.
Actually
Stern has created so much of shitstorm I don’t know if he really would veto another deal. I suspect that the real reason the deal was nixed is that it involves the Hornets trading Paul, who had 16 million for this year remaining on his deal for several guys on multiyear deals. The total salary liability for the Hornets in this trade would increase from 16.4 million to 77.3 million – meaning they’re taking on 60 million in extra salary committments. That makes the team a LOT harder to sell, and Stern must be desperate to sell it by now.
In contrast, a hypothetical deal with the Knicks for Shump, TD, Turiaf, and Fields for Paul and Ariza decreases their liability and makes them easier to sell.
Not that I’m getting involved. I’m not! Yay Tyson Chandler all the way!
Get The Frickin' Rebound
Unbelievably, we had the capability to take Paul and Okafor, reducing their salary liability by over 40m
If this is the reason for the veto, Stern will have to come out and say it. And I wouldn’t necessarily disagree. But the way this was handled – and the fact that the veto came after the trade was agreed to and reported – smacks of collusion via external pressure by small-market owners. I find it hard to believe that there was no conflict of interest here.
TYBG
Why we need to cut 19 million
Chandler signs for 14
Were over the cap by 4 now.
so we need to cut around 18 for that plus what we need for the rookies
I think, we are getting Chandler no matter what.
And for some reason my Spidey Senses are tingling.
While I like Chandler that contract is nothing to sneeze at…
My Wife is a Patriot's fan...
Currently at my desk, praying Chandler is Knick this afternoon.
In Donnie we trust.
by $100M Contract on Dec 9, 2011 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
As far as the contract, well yeah...but we will FINALLY have size!
In Donnie we trust.
by $100M Contract on Dec 9, 2011 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
We will have the 2nd best Inside Defender in
THE LEAGUE!!!!
If I can make it there, I'll make it anywhere...It's up to you, New York, New York!!!!
Hah!
We spent all of last season stopping pick and rolls!!!
Wait… that was on offense…
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Dec 9, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
its a big contract, but you need to realize how good Chandler is
he’s basically a young, taller more athletic Marcus Camby. He’s as close to Dwight Howard defensively as you can get in the NBA, tho I’d say Chandler is a hell of a lot smarter on defense and I have no trouble saying he’s less of a whiney bitch then Howard.
He’s also a veteran precense that’s obviously just won a championship. He basically on his own turned a vulva soft team like the Mavericks into one that was tough enough to win the chip.
What he could bring here is invaluable and to be honest…might just be a better fit then worrying about adding a third ‘star’ here.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
There is no 3rd star on dallas...
he was sayin Chandler might be a better option than adding a third star to the Knick’s roster….
AND I COULDNT AGREE MORE. Rebounding and Defense will win a championship, not star power. Which we already have by the way
If I can make it there, I'll make it anywhere...It's up to you, New York, New York!!!!
Experience!
That’s something easily forgotten, which is a shame.
"If it ain't orange, it ain't right"
the whiney bitch point
is very important to me.
by BallerAttack on Dec 9, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Holy crap you're right! Beards!!!!!!
In Donnie we trust.
by $100M Contract on Dec 9, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
isn't he in Chinese prison or somehting
by flossy on Dec 9, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
love it.
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Dec 9, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
he dropped 52 the other day
then again, they basically stand back and let him shoot threes and/or dunk
TYBG
If you're going to build a beard squad, you have to have James Harden
HAVE to. That man’s got a righteous beard.
that rabbi is in china til march
i wish we couldve kept him in the melo deal
by blackhova on Dec 9, 2011 10:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
for once I actually agree
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FLOCKA!
Let’s hope they go equally hard in the paint as Mr. Flame
by spreeballin on Dec 9, 2011 9:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
if we sign bison and not add anyone else assuming shump and landry are the starters that is probably the most dunkiest starting five ive ever seen in my young 21yr old life no?
"As much as I respect and admire Bill Belichick, I came here to kick his a**, and that’s the truth." - Rex Ryan
now lets go get a goddamn snack.
why so many people are assumung shumpert is the starting PG is a little troubling
I mean….why? When? How is he going to start over TD? I know starting vs. bench don’t matter much, but TD is the starting PG unless we get someone. And if we get someone, TD is the backup.
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There is absolutely no way Iman Shumpert starts at point guard
For Mike D’Antoni? On a team that wants to contend for a title this year? Hell to the no, people. Sorry. Yer gonna have to spank it to some other fantasy.
well im selfishly assuming shump plays outta his mind in training camp and the two preseason games
hey a man can dream ;)
"As much as I respect and admire Bill Belichick, I came here to kick his a**, and that’s the truth." - Rex Ryan
now lets go get a goddamn snack.
by JETSFANF0RLYF3 on Dec 9, 2011 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
Shump can do that, and I'd love to see that too
also I kind of have a feeling he’s gonna be really good, even as a rook. But Toney Douglas is the starting PG until further notice.
I have my doubts about TD of course, but I have no doubt he’s ahead of Imani on the depth chart.
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I feel like if they don't sign another pg
DWTDD will start, but may share pg duties with Shump fairly evenly. Seems like they really want to develop both of them, which is nice. I mean, it’s not a guarantee that they find someone else, so ditching Chauncey shows they believe in those two guys. Nice vote of confidence for them.
no doubt
i think he DWTDD can do the job he is healthy so it should help.
"As much as I respect and admire Bill Belichick, I came here to kick his a**, and that’s the truth." - Rex Ryan
now lets go get a goddamn snack.
by JETSFANF0RLYF3 on Dec 9, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
grammar fails
"As much as I respect and admire Bill Belichick, I came here to kick his a**, and that’s the truth." - Rex Ryan
now lets go get a goddamn snack.
by JETSFANF0RLYF3 on Dec 9, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
Really good signing
Defense, rebounding. even more importantly i think is Chandler keeps teams honest about double teaming Melo and Stat when they have the rock. We need a player thats going to be able to finish strong when his man leaves to help out on our stars.
Is it too early for a snack thread?
I just had some italian bread to mop up this delicuous oil leftover from marinated eggplant I had from the pork store. Also there were two slices of eggplant still in the dish! GLEE!
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Mmm
I need to get me some snacks. I’m dog-sitting and this guy won’t let me sit still for five minutes.
I've heard that if you head to chinatown they could hook that up for you
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
they also give you free eggrolls with every dog you bring in
"As much as I respect and admire Bill Belichick, I came here to kick his a**, and that’s the truth." - Rex Ryan
now lets go get a goddamn snack.
by JETSFANF0RLYF3 on Dec 9, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
they shouldn't be as they've probably been eating dog the past few months
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I read somewhere that we lose the mid level but would still have a 2.5 mil exemption
to work with. Is this accurate? Can anyone confirm or deny?
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
Yes, supposedly with the CBA when you use your amnesty you cannot use your MLE for that year
That’s why NY really really really needs to be able to trade Billups rather than amnesty him.
Finding a trade partner for Billups is the difference between
Chandler, Hill, Turiaf
and
Chandler
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
Thanks! I don’t think the Mavs are going to do us any favors by doing a sign and trade
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
putting my neck out there with this one...
but should chandler end up gracing our frontline with his defensive IQ, length, lateral agility on the PnR and confidence finishing at the rim…
i’m thinking our very own jared jefferies becomes even more valuable depth…
they’re interestingly similar, except of course finishing abilities, which is a great thing should one end up missing any time. having one on the court at all times means we’ll always have a defensive quarterback.
I forgot about Jeffries
he should solidify the 2nd unit and also should Amare/Chandler get in foul trouble, it doesn’t hurt the defense too much.
Oh my, I’m hard.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
anyone know what this is about?
Jarrod Rudolph: How the hell did the Knicks lose Tyson Chandler? about 19 minutes ago
"Rooting for the Yankees is like rooting for Steve Jobs to win the lotto." - Chris Rock
The NBA - Where 2012 doesn't happen
Patrick Ewing - The NBA's all-time leader in rushing yards
maybe he means Wilson?
SAVE THE AMNESTY!!
by total hermination on Dec 9, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe that means since the Nets just signed Shelden Williams
That Dwight Howard and Nene have suddenly become available for the Knicks to sign both!!!
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
until a credible source reports
this is moot… WHERE IS 2PM????
by blackhova on Dec 9, 2011 10:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Per Howard Beck 2nds ago
@HowardBeckNYT
Howard Beck
Tyson Chandler deal will be done today, w/Billups amnestied, according to source. Not clear where Turiaf going yet, but he’ll be traded.
at least that's more credible
and I can put back my scotch until 2PM
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
While you do that
I’ll take my heart out of my anus
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
mmmm...scotch
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 9, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Since the agreement
I have been pretty strongly opposed to using the amnesty this year. But that was also working under the assumption that Chandler wasn’t leaving Dallas. I also watched this several times:
“Hi, I’m looking for Ray Finkle…..and a clean pair of shorts”
So assuming this happens today, I will change my signature and hope we can find a smart and servicable point guard to run the show this year. I’ll miss Ronny :( I feel bad for Chauncey but I’m sure deep down he didn’t really want to be here anyway. Maybe Denver will pick him up and everything will be even Steven.
Also, if this happens I would like to request a moritorium on “Phil Jackson” or “the triangle offense is based around a strong frontcourt” talk until July 2012 please.
SAVE THE AMNESTY!!
by total hermination on Dec 9, 2011 10:06 AM EST reply actions
link fail
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JG9MsVOgeIw&feature=fvst
SAVE THE AMNESTY!!
by total hermination on Dec 9, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
If amnestied, Billups won't be heading back to Denver
If anything, look for him to end up with Miami. He will (rightly) be so pissed I doubt a little-owner team would be stupid enough to put a bid on him.
Twice in Billups career Denver has pursued and acquired Billups; and twice they hose him with trades. Why go back a 3rd time to a clueless poorly run organization, even if it is your hometown.
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
I don't see any way
that he makes it through the below-cap-teams auction to go to Miami
"Rooting for the Yankees is like rooting for Steve Jobs to win the lotto." - Chris Rock
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Patrick Ewing - The NBA's all-time leader in rushing yards
Please keep any sorts of Zen away from NY!
If I can make it there, I'll make it anywhere...It's up to you, New York, New York!!!!
i think if all goes through
and we dont go after Biddy, we might sign Tinsley and i like that move. i likey a lot.
by blackhova on Dec 9, 2011 10:08 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Tinsley is off the board
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
yesterday...
he accepted deal with Utah lolz
"If it ain't broke, don't break it." -Charles Oakley
by Tony Marciano on Dec 9, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
For those who wish for Roy
@Chris_Broussard: Sources say Brandon Roy to announce medical retirement due to degenerative knees, possibly as soon as today
Does that mean 3 years from now Roy will sue the Knicks for forcing him into retirement
Even though NY has nothing to do with it?
Or is that just Cuttino Mobley who does that?
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
really sad stuff but a lot of portland fans have seen this coming for about a year
Anxiously awaiting the day my username will be appropriate
Pop Champagne
HowardBeckNYT Howard Beck
Tyson Chandler deal will be done today, w/Billups amnestied, according to source. Not clear where Turiaf going yet, but he’ll be traded.
Yay!
I feel bad for Billups, but I really have 14.3 million reasons not to. The Knicks still did him a favor picking up that option.
Proud owner of over 20,000 comments. (most of them in the wrong place) Oh yeah, and Buster Posey
I don't feel too bad for Billups
He didn’t want to come here in the first place. I love the guy but if he had his choice he’d be in Denver not NY.
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
Is it possible we'll actually be able to trade turiaf for a decent pick?
Because that would just be awesome.
No shot its decent
Like probably end of the 2nd
by michael28102 on Dec 9, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
I can't see it being anything other then a 2nd round pick
probably in 2231
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Not likely, just dumping on a team willing to take his expiring
At best a late 1st; more realistically a 2nd
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
late 1st round for Turiaf?
I’d be happy with the very last pick in the 2nd round for him. anything more is nothing to be disappointed about.
If I can make it there, I'll make it anywhere...It's up to you, New York, New York!!!!
Under the circumstances
I think a second rounder is the best we can hope for. That’s what Miami got for Beasley last year. Teams know the deal depends on it so they won’t offer much. You never know though. Beasley was a headcase pothead and Turiaf is always injured but a good teammate. Also his deal is expiring. I bet Golden State would take him back.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
Strong acquisition, though I don't like the taste it leaves
I guess that’s the difference between having a poop load of money to spend (Knicks)
And having a poop load of money to spend and being real stinkin smart (evil Pat Riley)
They could/should have been able to package Chandler’s acquisition better and smarter
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
the hell did Pat Riley do?
anywho, the Knicks make a smart move here. Chandler is an elite player at what he does. He doesn’t score so he doesn’t induce the hardcore orgasms that someone like CP3 would, but what he brings is what this team needs.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
What the hell did Riley do... you are kidding aren't you?
Bosh, LeBron, Wade in one year while keeping Haslem
Miami was better prepared that every other team in last year’s FA frenzy. And now Miami still has a 1year head start on MY in building.
That’s what he did. I’m not a fan of Riley, but a tip of the hat is merited to him for his workmanship
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
Miami had nothing on the books
nothing. A clean slate. He even traded Beasley for nothing.
I’m not gonna credit him for that. 99% of what happened there was LeBalls and Wade’s little powow with Barsh.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
we'll beat him in the playoffs again
just like we did when his pupil Van Gundy stayed owning him after he flaked out via fax. Chandler manhandled the Heat in the finals and now he isn’t even expected to score that much. Whatever over the hill center they try to go with this year will need to have skid marks cleaned off his uniform after playing us.
SAVE THE AMNESTY!!
by total hermination on Dec 9, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Eddy Curry isnt over the hill, he is the hill
by blackhova on Dec 9, 2011 11:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
I think you can credit Wade more than Riley...
you have to be crazy to think that Wade didn’t go to the front office and advise his team of the possibility of signing his two closest friends in the league
If I can make it there, I'll make it anywhere...It's up to you, New York, New York!!!!
I just had a sad
if Baron Davis even gets amnestied, he has to clear waivers first before he’s a FA. I dunno who’d pick up that contract, but its possible
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You don't have to pick up the entire contract I believe
You put bids in on it
by michael28102 on Dec 9, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
Is it worst record gets the player or highest bid
I’m thinking its the latter, but will have to see how it is written (rather than how your local squwaking head translates it)
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
teams under the cap gets 1st shots highest bid wins if no one under the cap bids he is a FA
"As much as I respect and admire Bill Belichick, I came here to kick his a**, and that’s the truth." - Rex Ryan
now lets go get a goddamn snack.
by JETSFANF0RLYF3 on Dec 9, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
Its definitely the highest bid
Im just wondering how much of a cap hit they take
by michael28102 on Dec 9, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
the team (under the cap) that claims him off waivers
with the highest bid only counts their bid against the cap. the team that amnestied the player pays the remaining portion of the contract.
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Shoot I just thought of something
If Dan Gilbert thinks Baron Davis will go to the Knicks, he will NOT amnesty him. Comic Sans!
Get The Frickin' Rebound
yea, we would need a contingency
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 9, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Um from Hollinger
johnhollinger John Hollinger
Also: for Knicks to do 4 yr, $58 milion for Chandler, they need to also trade Balkman or Shumpert in addition to Turiaf.
they're not trading Shumpert to do this
they can’t be that dumb can they? Or is Hollinger just dumb? Oh yea, Hollinger IS dumb.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Now the throwing mud against the wall and seeing what sticks is starting with the ESPinheads
The line for Balkman suitors starts off the left
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
There's no way
They lose two guards for chandler. Can’t believe they’d trade shump.
I mean
who knows whether Hollinger is right or not…but they’d probably trade Balkman, not Shump, in that scenario. I don’t even know, though. Let’s just wait and see what actually happens.
Wait and see?!?!
But then what am I going to do for the next 3 hours and 34 minutes, Seth?
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by blackhova on Dec 9, 2011 11:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Possible, but who would willingly trade for Balkman
He’s a player you throw in to get rid of because as part of the price the other team pays for getting what they want.
NY took back Balkman last year not because they wanted him; but because they had to in order to get Melo
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
The only way I would be cool if Shump was packaged with turiaf is
if we got some REALLY good pg
It just seems like there are other options
…renounce Brown’s QO, don’t sign Jeffries…something. I don’t know. We’re close enough to something actually happening that speculation feels silly.
Seth is right!
HowardBeckNYT Howard Beck
Knicks have about 5 scenarios in play for trading Turiaf to clear more cap room for Tyson Chandler. One of them gets done today, I’m told.
by michael28102 on Dec 9, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
we're probably gonna have to trade more draft picks to make this work
so there goes 2018’s 2nd rounder and 2084’s 2nd rounder
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Can Isiah Thomas' consulting contract rights be included in one of the deals?
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
We would have to throw in two 1st rounders for a team to take that
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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
There is no way they are trading Shumpert
Jerome Jordan, Andy or TD probably but not Shumpert
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i think he's wrong
in the main post seth points out that we can rescind derrick brown’s 1.1m offer. that clears an extra million and it wouldn’t surprise me is such a colossal colon as hollinger is incorrect
how about the Knicks not sign Jeffries?
That would save money
by mindfeck on Dec 9, 2011 10:23 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
That doesn't tilt the scales one way or the other
You still have to have a minimum number of players on a roster so NY has to sign players at the minimum to fill it out.
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
And, before I forget "He just seems like a Net"
That’s just cold blooded saying someone just seems like a Net!!! I love it
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
And there it is....
ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
Nets have not spoken to Orlando and have made no offers for Dwight Howard, sources tell SI
Predicted this all along
Dwight was probably just joking and some asshole had a smartphone out and twat it
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That sounds painful
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
There is precedent for that happening actually!
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by Chris Child's Fist on Dec 9, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Chandler vs Jordan
And not Wilson vs Michael…. more Tyson vs DeAndre. Obviously Tyson would be huge for us and I’d love it… but with possible health issues (I know, Amare has worked fine for us) and such… could Jordan have been an option, even as an RFA?
Sounds like he’ll get $10M/year or less while Tyson will get $14M/year. He’s much younger but does many of the same things (boards, blocks, etc). He’s a bit shorter and maybe that’s enough right there, but saving $4M/per to fill other needs makes it at least worth looking at no?
I know some were mentioning DeAndre last year and I’m surprised his name hasn’t come up once. Late in the game and all, but just curious…..
No, NY doesn't have enough to offer Jordan in a offer sheet
The only way you can get a RFA is
The other team no longer wants him
Your offer sheet is so totally ridiculous that the team won’t match
Sign & Trade
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
He's restricted and the Clips like him
So if the Knicks amnestied Billups and traded turiaf and signed him to an offer sheet, the Clips would probably match and then we’d go to sign Chandler and …oops, he’d be a Warrior by then.
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True, and as dazzling as Jordan looks, there's no certainty he will develop into that large dollar kind of player
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
yep
clippers are very very very much under the cap…they got dollars to spend
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 9, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Chandler fits a lot better
he’s a veteran and that’s what this team needs. That he’s tall, defense, rebounds and doesn’t care about shooting is all a plus.
Injuries are a risk with all players. Some are luckier then others. Also when guys play on contenders they seem to play through injuries.
And Chandler’s only had 3 years where he’s played less then 70 games. His injury risk is a bunch of made up bullshit anyway.
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Agree, I used to think Chandler was a career unreliable guy
But even with his bad seasons, he plays an average of 80% of his games a year; that actually is pretty reliable
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"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
its not like we got Andrew Bynum or anything
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this
and doesn’t care about shooting is all a plus.
I don’t know why ppl are getting hung up on his offensive production (or lack of). He’s getting big money not just because he’s a good defender but because he’s a pretty great, game changing defender
and with STAT and Melo plus douglas off the bench how much more scoring do you really need?
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 9, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
don't forget about his rebounding
I think he’ll be in contention to lead the league in rebounds, cuz you know…no one else wants to do it.
And can’t forget about those offensive boards. He’s so tall he just tips shit back out so after Carmelo or Amar’e jack up a brick and loaf out on the perimeter, Bison just tips the shit back to them.
I can’t wait for Christmas Day. It’ll be like its Christmas or something.
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I'm so excited!!!!
i hate these surging waves of hope and expectation creeping in tho
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 9, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
If last season was any indication....
I dont think we have to worry about nobody crashing the glass anymore with BISON around now….
I love this move… we got the best FA center this FAgency. We are making a solidified run at the Ship this year….
the garden is about to be going bananas come playoff time… D-Fence will actually be a meaningful chant.
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Tyson Chandler versus Deandre Jordan
Offensive Comparison:
Both are awful on offense, but if you actually watch them play, Tyson Chandler is slightly better on offense and finishing around the rim. If Deandre can’t dunk, he usually doesn’t score. Tyson can convert non-dunk shots in the paint with some consistency.
Defensive Comparison:
Both seem like awesome interior defenders because both are known for swatting shots with authority. However, Tyson Chandler is also quite proficient at playing positional defense and forcing his man into bad shots or not shooting at all. He also covers the pick n roll very well. Basically, Tyson doesn’t need to swat you to stop you. Deandre does though. His defense is to try and block everything, which looks great on a highlight reel, but in reality he’s often caught out of position and loses his man.
Final Result: We chose the better player
(For now anyway. I believe the Deandre will get better and better, and he does have the potential to surpass Chandler after a few more years of developing. It depends on how motivated he is).
SPEND ON BIGS
by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 9, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Totally agreed we're choosing the better player...
but if you do factor in other things like age/potential, health, salary (to sign other players with), etc… I just feel it sounds like at least a tougher choice than at first glance.
I do also realize with our team as is, we’d rather have the finished product at C than a youngin’… just was thinkin’ out loud.
Counting on a promising big man to develop
is a fools game. DeAndre may turn out to be a great center but the odds aren’t great. If the Knicks didn’t have Amar’e and Carmelo on their squad, I might go that way.
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Agreed
Tyson is polished for what he does. He’s a strong locker room presence, a great team defender and communicator, and he’s now bringing championship experience.
Such a great addition to the Knicks
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by WSD on Dec 9, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
From Cavs
PDcavsinsider Reed, Boyer
Grant: Baron is at the facility. Team has not made any decision whether to waive him.
2 minutes ago
I very much doubt Dan Gilbert amnesties him right now
He’d blow a gasket if Davis ended up on the Knicks.
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Knicks have about 5 scenarios in play for trading Turiaf to clear more cap room for Tyson Chandler. One of them gets done today, I’m told.
http://twitter.com/#!/HowardBeckNYT/statuses/145163907324055553
This news make my day a little less stressful
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crap, I liked a cheap Shelden Williams off the bench
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 9, 2011 10:33 AM EST reply actions
don't go to the Nets Sheldon!!
ITS A TRAP!!
SAVE THE AMNESTY!!
by total hermination on Dec 9, 2011 10:35 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
YOU'VE TRIGGERED MY TRAP CARD!
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Had the sickest deck when I was 12 years old.
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Oh man, don't get me started
When I lost my Jinzo card, it was like losing a little brother. I still duel very sporadically. Been about a year.
"If it ain't orange, it ain't right"
Spear Dragon was my favorite
Basically the Amar’e of Yu-Gi-Oh, but I loved that little dude. And getting that Kaiba starter pack for Christmas was like a dream come true.
/nerdiness.
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I loved White-Horned Dragon,
The [insert clutch basketball player’s name here]. Sorry, my nerdiness these days is spent on baseball but damn it, I want to really get into basketball. Don’t get me wrong, since I started watching in January, I’ve been hooked. I just can’t understand half of the stuff on here.
Is there a site to go to to (2 many 2’s!) learn this stuff?
"If it ain't orange, it ain't right"
red eyes black dragon was my fav
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now lets go get a goddamn snack.
by JETSFANF0RLYF3 on Dec 9, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Just heard that Stern is taking heat from players union and GM's
for nixing Paul trade. Paul is looking to sue the league and Union is looking into the email from Gilbert
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I think the trade gets reworked
With less salary liability for the Hornets. Peopole will say ‘WTF? The Hornets took an even worse deal!’ But it will be better from a long-term salary angle. Think Odom to Rockets instead and more draft picks to Hornets.
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Wait what?
@johnhollinger
Also: for Knicks to do 4 yr, $58 milion for Chandler, they need to also trade Balkman or Shumpert in addition to Turiaf.
They’ve done such a smart thing now that I sincerely hope they don’t screw this up by trading Shumpert. If one of them need to be traded at all, that is.
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just scroll up
Hollinger failed at his fear mongering
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
It was a bad and rather weak move by Stern yesterday
I’m wondering if his legacy is going to end a little ugly
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
I believe the Lakers backed out
Because they realized they wouldn’t be able to get Howard. Who knows, there are way too many conflicting reports.
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Mike and Mike this morning had Stein on and he said the Lakers have a trade in place for
a PF, it wasn’t Howard but a significant player. Idk there are all types of stories.
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Actually that makes a lot of sense
Kobe loves him
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Beck said Hollinger might be right. Poopy.
http://twitter.com/#!/HowardBeckNYT/status/145164504991399936
I know we can just get rid of Balkman, Brown, or Jeffries, but still.
I can live with that
he was kind of exciting but just not that great at basketball
Anxiously awaiting the day my username will be appropriate
he probably is
but there’s just other options in there before we trade or not sign our first round pick for fuck’s sake.
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No shump. No shump.
Please don’t trade Shump. C’mon Tyson, take a couple million less so we can keep the kid.
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As the #17 pick
Shumpert’s salary would be 1.34 million this year. Hollinger is an idiot if he thinks the Knicks would dump that to get Chandler. I cannot see them doing that. Rescind Brown’s offer, don’t sign Jeffries – though if they were going to sign Jeffries to the vets minimum then the cap hold is there anyway.
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Balkman vs Shumpert
Grunwald better not fuck this up, this would suck if Shumpty gets traded.
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Can the Knicks even trade Shumpert on the 1st day they offically own his rights?
Isn’t there a waiting period for trading rookies?
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Seems unlikely
Giving up a #17 pick due to make only 1.3 million seems insane. I hope that wouldn’t be absolutely necessary to get Chandler. Is he going to bail to the Warriors for 1.3 million? Hope not.
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I can't believe these guys are that stupid
Honestly for the first time in a long time I think the front office actually has a plan. I really believe that Walsh left an impression on the front office and his guys are carrying on his vision.
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Before pulling the trigger, NY needs to go back to Dallas and find out just how much their help will cost
Future 1st, cash handoff back to Dallas if they cut Billups, something’s got to get Cuban’s interest
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"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
I heard Dolan's got a copy of Berry Fine's rolodex info
Cuban’s gotta like that
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Isn't Billups being amnestied?
Which would mean that we don’t really need Dallas’ help.
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Yes but
If we can do a sign and trade with Dallas instead and send them Billups, then we don’t have to Amnesty Billups and we can amnesty Balkman to clear up the room, or save our amnesty perhaps. But Cuban doesn’t really want Billups and it will cost him 14 million. So the question is, can we give him Turiaf and 3 million and maybe a pick, and he’ll do it because it still costs him 11 million for a player he doesn’t want but he keeps flexibility and gets a pick out of it.
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Correction
There’s pretty much no way we could trade Turiaf and Billups in an S&T for Chandler. No way to make the salaries work. We’d have to do Billups and include someone Cuban might actually want… like… the rights to Jerome Jordan? Might get it done…. Probably not though.
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What I'm saying though
Is that if Cuban doesn’t want to deal with us, as it seems he doesn’t, then why lose draft picks and extra players if we can amnesty Billups? Seems more logical to me.
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If it's a choice between
giving Cuban 3 million and a second rounder and losing Shump, I give him the 3 million and the second rounder.
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In a heartbeat!!!
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"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
It's not so much just amnestying Billups, it's the domino effect
By amnestying Billups, that means you have to sign Chandler as a FA
Which means trading Turiaf and however many other players to get far enough below the cap to sign Chandler & whatever else you are on the hook for
And by using your amnesty this year that means you cannot use this year’s MLE, which means no Grant Hill or any other players of that type.
That’s a very expensive amnesty
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
Not Turiaf, just Billups for Chandler
The salaries are almost identical
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
Yeah, but
What’s in it for Cuban? If they could include Turiaf, it’d be an asset that might make it worth his while. As it is they got 3 million and a second rounder.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
Cuban could get a guy to come in and play basketball for one year
Back up Jason Kidd, not overpay JJ Barea, maybe flip to a contender at the deadline if hope is lost.
What about Rautins?
Mr. 600,000 dollars for playing in five games. Can we trade his useless ass too?
by Guess Who's Back? on Dec 9, 2011 10:45 AM EST reply actions
i'd love to get nothing for rautins.
maybe even less than that.
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by stingy d on Dec 9, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hey
I’m not mad at the Nets, at least they’ll have a chance to keep somebody named Williams after this season
by Guess Who's Back? on Dec 9, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
lol
Maybe they feel the more Williamses they have, Deron will want to stick around?
And c’mon… doesn’t “D-Will to She-Will for the dunk” just flow off the tongue… who could pass THAT up??
Someone needs to call the clippers and get them to exchange some of that cap room for Billups and Turiaf
Billups is still a good player and most def better than Mo Williams and Bledsoe even at this stage.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 9, 2011 10:53 AM EST reply actions
it would
only because they are under the cap and can take on larger salary than they send out but they would have to like the deal.
I don’t see a reason they wouldn’t do that if it were offered tho.
I think Billups there puts him closer to his home and the Clips could be playoff bound with Billups /Griff / Gordon and Jordan. I’d watch that.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 9, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
They have 13 million and change in cap room
In order to take on Chauncey’s 14 million salary, they’d have to give us something. I don’t think they’re going to give us Bledsoe. Would you do that? The only other option is some guy named A. Aminu. Plus, they wouldn’t be able to sign anyone else. And they’ve already signed Caron Butler, I think, anyway. So no, this won’t work.
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They could include Foye...or Gomes....or Foye and Gomes
I’m just saying it would work financially if they wanted it to specifically because of their cap space. They would have to be interested tho. I think they should be but that’s just me but if they were the players included could always be tweaked.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 9, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
TJ ford may be an option
if we retain the mid level
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 9, 2011 10:56 AM EST reply actions
sad :-(
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 9, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
thought that was tinsley
but I get those two confused always for some strange reason.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 9, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
oh he's gonna have some fun there!
or shoot himself. either or.
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 9, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Anybody else think Davis would be unrealistic?
Sure, he’d take a discount just to come here. And sure, we’d all be psyched to have him. But there’s no way he clears the amnesty waivers, somebody will want him, if not for the sole reason to keep him off the Knicks.
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yea i think that
also, davis is still better than your average point guard, and is marketable. sounds like a small market team would use him even if its just to sell a couple tickets and a jersey.
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I would think someone would want to pick him up
but he’s also kind of useless for bad teams that don’t want to deal with his bullshit
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Chandler & Fields go good with Stoudemare & Melo who are BOTH VOLUME shooters. Somebody has to pass, rebound, & defend. Tony Douglas could be gone, since he has forgotten how to distribute the ball, & begins to take his shot AFTER he crosses the half court. Both Jeffries & Touriaf are garbage & would love to see @ least one of them out of here.
"Touriaf"
Would be a great energy guy and when healthy, he is a great to the team. In no way is he garbage. Same thing applies to Douglas. I don’t get your logic at all man. Just because StatnMelo are volume shooters doesn’t mean we should cut a shooter off the bench that can be a game changer every once in a while. We need more than 5 players on the team.
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well
i guess we have to wonder now who our new pg will be. i like shumpert, but we need someone with a little experiance
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A 6' 5" PG to go along with that front line gives us a lot of size and length on the court
Speed and versatility as well. #Dangerous
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of course
shump is the pg of the future, he’s athletic and is very good defensivley. i just think if we want to get far this year, we might need a veteran pg. only for a year or 2, chauncey would have been great but we need a center, and chandler is a very good one at that
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shump is the pg of the future
does this mean he’s half man half cyborg because then there is no way we can trade that technology away?!
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 9, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
ha!
i need shump on the knicks for tickets. i know someone that knows him…
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cool
I hope he stays, I have a good feeling on him…pause o roni’
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 9, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
I dont mind giving Shump a shot but...
if he fails miserably(which i dont think will happen but could) we need someone ready to play. Probably a vet for cheap…or a cheap unproven…I like Mustafa Shakur
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 9, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
sure
anyone but baron davis…
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i would take baron davis over mustafa shakur
because i’m smawt
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i would too
if he were available
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 9, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
i wouldn't
don’t like davis. davis will probably be aminestied, and i hope we don’t get him
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davis likes you
and he thinks you should also be amnestied
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do you realy want us to get him?
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no offense, but
he can run an NBA offense better than DWTTD
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by Tony Marciano on Dec 9, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
your personal beef with baron davis
means nothing! that guy could run this team. i do believe.
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Seriously
Holy cow we can be so fickle about players. They obviously don’t suck but we’ll nitpick every little hitch, tendency age and injury despite said player being better and quite adequate for what we need and better presently than what we have
I love being fickle about players
but Baron is not one to be fickle about. Dude’s got plenty left in the tank, he just needs a situation where he gives a fuck. And the Knicks is the spot to give a fuck. There’s no Elton Brand situation to push Baron’s shit in here.
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Baron Davis at one point was one of the premier point guards in the league
and he still is a top 10 talent, easily. I’d wayyyyy prefer him over some of those other scrubs
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*when I say talent I mean at the point guard
used to be a top 10 talent though
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Don't be surpised if the Turiaf deal is Turiaf and a future 1st to the Podunk Bawlers for a future 2nd
Because Podunk will be far enough under the cap to make the deal, will have no use for Turiaf but will do it for the future 1st
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podunk bawlers
wow, what a name..
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most pdunk teams ain’t tryin to hear that
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True, and if Cuban won't cooperate I can't see Buford Widgit, GM of the Bawlers being generous either
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"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
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WHOA
This is assuming that the poop-flinging going on elsewhere
I thought Shawne got signed somewhere else when I read that! Don’t poop on my emotions Seth!
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
Same...
Don’t just start flinging corner poops around all recklessly like that!
by The Champs Are Here on Dec 9, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
I have high expectations for D.Brown and the 3 Knicks rookies
I’d rather trade Landry with Turiaf or Billups to get someone more useful.
I could be wrong on how the amnesty works
but isn’t there something logically wrong using your amnesty on an expiring contract? It’s to my understanding that we can only use it once during the current CBA.
I like the Chandler move but with any combination of Amare/Chandler/CP3 spelling a an injury plagued contract, I would feel much more secure knowing that we can back out and go another route.
you can only use the amnesty on someone on your roster
prior to the new CBA deal.
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also, if the contract is expiring
its a matter of when you want to spend money, now, or a year from now.
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I guess that makes a little more sense now
seeing as the only players left to amnesty would be Amar’e and Melo, and they’re supposedly not going anywhere.
Logically wrong... yes
It’s burning through your amnesty to fit a square peg you want very much in a round hole
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"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
If Dan Gilbert's bitchiness costs us a shot at Baron Davis, I'll flip a shit.
We all know you don’t want him! Just amnesty him. I know that someone can claim him on waivers even if that happens, but still.
omg... i just want the season to start...
give us chandler. it looks less likely for us to sign grant hill, since phoenix upped their offer to him and we would lose our MLE in the amnesty situation. I really hope the Knicks pull something off that doesnt screw us from getting somebody else. with donnie, i had more confidence, but id like to think they have the wheels turning
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I hope the Spurs get Hill
A.) Because they’d be so old, but…
B.) I find the Spurs are one of the few likable, competitive teams in the West… or maybe it’s just because I really like Ginobili
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I just heard on hoopsworld.com that the NBA might take back their veto and put the trade through.
That would be a good thing for us in my opinion, but I’ll make a fanpost to explain.
SPEND ON BIGS
by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 9, 2011 11:41 AM EST reply actions
how do they get away with that?
how do they explain it? “um well we thought they would be too good, then we realized they wouldn’t so…”
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Doesn't really matter
If you think about it, had the trade gone through without Stern objecting, it gets seen as “Stern strengthening his big-market teams” just like the 1984 lottery – but with his public stance against it beforehand and the Gilbert letter and all that, he won’t get accused of that. This might be his best-case scenario! I think the trade HAS to go through, and this might actually be a PR stunt on Stern’s part.
TYBG
It'd be an excellent thing for us
The Lakers would have many holes, so I don’t see them being the automatic favorite for a ring. If, however, they do get Dwight…damn. But I still think the deal would be restructured.
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how could they get dwight?
they’d have to give bynum and, who else can they give?
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I don't know how they'd get Dwight, but if they did that's cool. He's out of the Eastern Conference.
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by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 9, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
We might have to face him in the Finals though
Yeah, getting completely ahead of myself, but a Paul-Bryant-Howard tandem would be pretty dangerous. That’s what I’m thinking. But yes, it’s better that he goes out of the EC.
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Meh - soon to be a tandem of Howard and shell of former Chris Paul.
Kobe’s on his way out, and Chris Paul has declined steadily since his run to the Western Conference Finals.
SPEND ON BIGS
by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 9, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Shell of himself?
I don’t know about that, he seemed pretty good last playoffs. We excuse Barron Davis’ play and say that he’s unmotivated when playing with a crappy team, but Paul’s in a steady decline? He might just be tired of playing for a team that’s going nowhere.
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Wow
daldridgetnt David Aldridge
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One is the Lakers. Other is probably Nets or Hornets
hope it isn't us
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No way
We were never involved in Dwight. Ever.
by michael28102 on Dec 9, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
hopefully it's chris broussard
i can’t stand that guy
by BallerAttack on Dec 9, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Also from wojo
ZachLowe_SI Zach Lowe
There is some burbling animosity about NYK essentially paying $30M this season for Chandler (CB amnesty). That irked people, too.
48 minutes ago
Whatever….
We have money to spend
And are spending it on making our basketball team better…what about this is bad?
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Hornets?
That I highly, highly doubt.
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There were talks that they were working with the Lakers to get D12
So they could trade them paul
by michael28102 on Dec 9, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Kinda redundant, don't you think?
Trade one unhappy superstar for another one?
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Not what i mean
The lakers were gonna accept the CP3 deal without getting front court help. Therefore it was in the hornets interest to work with them
by michael28102 on Dec 9, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Didn't the Cavaliers file those?
Didn’t really do much.
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lame
what about richard jefferson once he’s amnestied?
by BallerAttack on Dec 9, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Where would he play? Behind Melo?
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booooo
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 9, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
richard jefferson is
a.) a blah player
b.) a former net
c.) annoying
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For the first time in...forever
I’m actually confident in the Knicks front office. I know they’ll screw things up after writing this, but I’m a happy Knicks fan right now. Haven’t felt that in a while.
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I am too actually
there doesn’t seem to be any outrage or lack of confidence about this at all. They decided we’re ready to start competing and a starting caliber center is a pretty good piece for a team that wants to win.
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Sifting through media updates and tweets, it looks like Baron Davis to Knicks is picking up steam.
So do we want him?
I was a huge Baron Davis fan when he was with the Hornets and the Warriors. But I’m also really weary of an super-talented player who doesn’t win. I’m undecided.
SPEND ON BIGS
by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 9, 2011 12:07 PM EST reply actions
Actually, I decide yes because we'd be getting him at an awesome discounted price.
SPEND ON BIGS
by StarksMiddleFinger on Dec 9, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
To be honest, I think we should drop the Baron Davis talk
I think Dan Gilbert might hold onto him because he just wants to be a miserable prick. But even if Davis does get amnestied, I don’t see him making it through waivers all the way to us. It’s hard to guess what teams will be under the cap to bid on him, because rosters aren’t even final without free agent additions. However, I think a team would likely pick him up before he ever became a free agent.
I think we should be focusing on cheaper PG options who might be able to contribute some
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I think yes but only by default
there doesn’t seem to be another realistic option. I think starting the season with only Shump and DWTDD is a bad idea
by BallerAttack on Dec 9, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
its too good to be true tho.
knicks are already too lucky getting chandler. no chance we get baron on top. im not lucky enough, we’re not lucky enough
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it'd be too good 2b true
it’d be the icing on the cake….a cake made completely of icing to begin with
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 9, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
The whole "a player that doesn't win" is stupid
Throw Baron Davis with Amare, Melo, and Tyson he’s gonna win
by michael28102 on Dec 9, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
he doesn't win cuz he's played on shat teams
the Knicks are no longer shat. We’re the shit now.
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As far as cheap, more realstic PG options go
What do you guys think of Earl Watson? No, he’s not great, he’s nothing to get excited about. But, he’s a natural distributor, a decent shooter, and in the past he’s put up nice numbers when he actually gets minutes.
Might not be a bad addition. He and TD could switch PG duties, with Shump getting some time too
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Alan Hahn twitter on Chandler being on ESPN radio
Did you not believe me? :) RT @Jay5108: @alanhahn tyson chandler on espn dallas said he’s coming to the knicks
Link?
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Yeah, but can this happen if the Knicks can't move Turiaf?
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It's going to happen.
The Turiaf thing will get figured out. That’s the word.
by Seth on Dec 9, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
cmon and celebrate!
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
by semsemma on Dec 9, 2011 1:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yes!!!!!
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by Lord Smackington on Dec 9, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/dallas/play
:-D
they’re so sad. :(
wait
Are you sure…..should i be listening to the Herd?
For those wondering about Baron Davis
With an amnesty cut,Billups will be subject to a new waiver system in which any team with cap room can place a bid,up to his $14.2 million salary. The team with the highest bid would get Billups and pay the bid amount,with the rest of the salary paid by the Knicks. If no team with cap room places a bid,then Billups would become an unrestricted free agent. The Knicks cannot re-sign him.
substitute davis for billups you boneheads (:
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by semsemma on Dec 9, 2011 1:19 PM EST via mobile reply actions
chk RIGHT above you!
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
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