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Funny, But Everything Seems Right Now


When the Knicks pulled the trigger on that Melo trade, the inclusion of Felton for Chauncey really spun me out. I love Chauncey, but I have this thing about acquring point guards on the downside of their career to be the starter. I just don't think it works.

Now, Jason Kidd proved me wrong last year by winning with Dallas. But it took him several years, the unlikely ability to still play at 38, and JJ Barea and Jason Terry having his back. I wasn't sure if Chauncey could do that.

Plus, I felt that with Melo arriving along with his point guard, there was a strange split in the team and an ambiguous power structure. The point guard, a veteran with a ring, has the ball in his hands and familiarity with only one player - Carmelo. I felt very good about Amar'e's leadership up to the trade, and I felt that the inclusion of Chauncey undermined that a bit. I just felt bad about it, and the Knicks 12 losses to the Cavaliers last year just reinforced it. I suggested at the time that they cut Chauncey and just go with TD, but when Chauncey got hurt, TD didn't seem to step up and shine enough. By the end of the season my dreams of TD being the starting point guard for us had faded.

Felton wasn't perfect by any means. But he was the right age and had a good attitude and leadership and I thought he and the team would continue to grow together and get better. I felt he was the most unambiguously good point guard we had around here since we traded Mark Jackson. Seriously.

But he was gone, and I've felt out of balance ever since. The team seems to be a hodgepodge of Amar'e and the trade leftovers on one side, and Billups and Melo and She-Will on the other side. It just felt like a chemistry fail to me, despite the fact that I like both those guys a lot.

Add in the exit of Donnie Walsh, and the uneasiness was mega'd.

Rumors of Paul coming here didn't make me feel good. More of our young favorites in exchange for Melo's good buddy, the wedding toaster? I just didn't like it - despite the hard-to-dispute fact that Paul is a beast of a player.

Star-divide

But now, with the Knicks sudden and shocking change in direction - amnesting Billups and signing Tyson Chandler, my basketball world has been suddenly shifted into balance. Amar'e is a wonderful player, but defense and especially rebounding are weaknesses for him. Pairing him with a non-rebounding center or playing him as an undersized center was problematic. And there didn't seem to be any way the Knicks could add a seven foot rebounding defender at the pivot. I was reduced to dreaming of Jerome Jordan actually being good - but it's plain to see that Jordan is not a big defender / rebounder either. Jorts gives me hope with the right kind of attitude, but I feel he is undersized for the 5. Despair filled my heart.

Then, the Knicks went and shocked me with an incredibly saavy move. I feel right, right now, which is awesome. Let me break down the awesome here:

1. They needed rebounding really badly. They got it.

2. By ditching Chauncey, forgetting about Paul and addressing Amar'e's concern about not wanting to play the 5 on a regular basis, they've squarely helped to establish a pecking order on this squad that starts with Amar'e. I think that works better than one that starts with Carmelo or Chauncey. Amar'e grew an inch just thinking about it. And so did I.

3. The Knicks' biggest and strongest (and one of the most veterany) players is a defense guy. I think this tips the balance of the team's culture from offense to defense by clearly establishing a Tyson / Toney / Shump defensive core to balance out Amar'e and Melo.

4. The point guard situation is spare, but also full of promise and hope. Whoever ends up playing there is going to have a chance to grow with the team and really be 100 percent Knick. I don't know if anyone on our roster or anyone we can get can be as good as Felton, but I do know that there's a chance that someone, whether it's Shump, Andy, Baron Davis, Julyan Stone or someone else, will be able to focus on running the team, playing D, providing leadership, and getting the ball to our guys that can score.

5. Carmelo fits now. He's a loose, explosively offensive player. I think he's a little happy go lucky and I think that's fine. It helps his clutchiness. Now, with Chandler on the court, and Amar'e back as the alpha dog, Carmelo can be Carmelo instead of being the defense-hawking serious leader type. Leave that to the other guys, Melo, and just be you.

6. Whoever the point guard is won't be locked into the patterns of Melo in Denver. It's a new day.

When Amar'e and Felton signed, it felt like the Knicks were back. When the trade happened, they seemed lost again. And now, it seems like, once again, they're back. What a feeling!

Now, Chauncey may end up going to the Heat and killing us next year, and our lack of an established point guard may hurt us. But I'm OK with all that. I feel like we've got some badass swagger in the front court and we're ready to go to war for the next bunch of years against whoever stands in our way.

Let's go!

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It really is shaping up to be a team of

Melo + Amar’e + Guys who are at LEAST average defensive players

by Seth on Dec 9, 2011 1:11 PM EST reply actions  

i also dont think you can discount the fact that

DWTDD was hurt last year. Now that he is pain free, he may be able to step up.

I also disagree with teh idea that he played poor when Chauncy returned… in the 6 games he started, the knicks went 4-2.

assist numbers in those games: 5-5-7-6-10-8
turnovers in those games: 3-3-2-1-3-0

the two losses were to cleavland and dallas (one of which turned to a champion, the other of which just had our number).

I def think TDDWTDD those games and barring a BDavis signing should step into the starter spot.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/douglto01/gamelog/2011/

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/

by gbaked on Dec 9, 2011 1:42 PM EST reply actions  

You're probably right

I really wanted Toney to beast on the Celtics and arrive, you know? But he was hurt, and maybe that was a bit much to ask anyhow. I believe in Toney.

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Dec 9, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

i dont think you can give any

credence to the way our young guys played in the playoofs (yes… playoofs… better description to what that was last year).

There was so much pressure. And it was such a fucked up team.

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/

by gbaked on Dec 9, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

sorry. played poor when chauncy got hurt

*I so wish we could edit our comments

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/

by gbaked on Dec 9, 2011 1:43 PM EST reply actions  

Melo is the alpha dog

And it’s not even close. Amar’e is still a below-average defender. Check out the stats from when Melo went head-to-head with Lebron last year. It’s not even close. Melo is the lockdown defender leader type and Amar’e is the Robin. It’s simple fact. That’s not going to change.

Melo will have to guard Lebron. Melo will probably spend some time guarding Dirk. Melo will have to guard Pierce.

GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!

by tanman5 on Dec 9, 2011 1:54 PM EST reply actions  

I disagree

I don’t think Melo has an alpha dog personality. I actually think Amar’e is an OK defender. As is Carmelo. But aside how they play, I think that personality wise, Amar’e is just more of a leader type.

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Dec 9, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

yea Amare does seem more like a leader type…

but Melo is definitely the face of the franchise now

by Jason Bee on Dec 9, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

leader and face of franchise

are two different things.

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/

by gbaked on Dec 9, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

no shit

I was just stating the difference

by Jason Bee on Dec 9, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

shit no

stating the difference I just was.

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

Like the really funny uncle with a healthy bourbon habit who matches every brilliant Thanksgiving story with one or two ill-advised racist jokes or boob grabs, we’re stuck with Melo. So we might as well learn to love him — quirks and all. http://knickerblogger.net/2011-report-card-carmelo-anthony/

by gbaked on Dec 9, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Amar'e is much more of an alpha dog

Carmelo is just more talented. But Amar’e is much more of a lead dog personality, its really not even close.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Dec 9, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Carmelo will have to do more

As for personality, I say bull. He was a leader in Denver.

As a college freshman, Melo led a young team to the national title. He is the lead dog type.

GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!

by tanman5 on Dec 9, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

he's a leader by his game

as far as his personality, he’s more of a pain in the ass rebel type, but fit in with the crowd of his peers type. He’s done some growing up over the years, and probably is more mature then he’s ever been now…but he’s more so young Kobe then he is old Kobe.

who cares what he did in college. He was so much better then everyone, and the Orange weren’t exactly lacking for talent (Hakim Warrick is pretty good)

Amar’e is the leader, the face, the ‘start’ of this whole whatever thing we have going on. He was here first, and done nothing to have his mantel taken away from him.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Dec 9, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont want to get ahead of things, but i will...

TD as the starting pg for the nba champs would make me weep buckets of joy

Most Definitely

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfGTVp-gHtU

by Ray Smuckles on Dec 9, 2011 1:55 PM EST reply actions  

I had lost hope in such a thing

But I once thought this way too.

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Dec 9, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

one thing...
but when Chauncey got hurt, TD didn’t seem to step up and shine enough

The Knicks were 5-2 in games TD started last year.

by bababooey2 on Dec 9, 2011 2:07 PM EST reply actions  

I think it's really just a lot easier to find a PG than to find a center.

Especially since that center is a top 5-6 center in the league with literally the idea forward compliments on his team.

by hvino on Dec 9, 2011 4:42 PM EST reply actions  

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