Clippers 116, Knicks 108: "An uncanny knack for making other teams look better than they are"
It really is maddening how a group of gentlemen that's stood up to the Spurs, Heat, and Celtics can so feebly bow at the feet of the league's lowliest. We saw it against the Kings and Suns, and now we've seen it against a short-handed Clippers team that had dropped four games straight, including one a thousand miles away just 24 hours prior. Like sadderbudweiser said (asked, really) in the game thread, the Knicks really do know how to make losers feel handsome. The Clippers are talented for sure (they, too, have felled some of the NBA's titans), but a team carrying a 3-18 road record and missing their leading scorer (his majesty Eric Gordon) should have been a breeze. The Knicks of the new year just can't take care of putties like they used to.
Knick scorers drove intermittently and with reasonable success, but more often than not, found the opportunity to hurl from outside too inviting. They were open looks, too. Guys like Gallo, Landry, Wil, and Extra E just misplaced their touch, wasting ball movement and spraying long rebounds all the while. Per usual, an abrupt surge of effort got the Knicks back into it, but not over the hump (though this time, they might have gotten away with if it weren't for that meddling Randy Foye).
While New York shanked even the openest of shots, no less than six Clippers were cookin' soup at one point or another. Baron Davis punctured the defense at will, sank a few momentum-bursting HORSE shots, and skipped to his lou a bit for the Garden crowd. Blake Griffin, DeAndre Jordan, and even that fidgety little horsefly Eric Bledsoe snaggled offensive caroms and got right to the rim. Ryan Gomes caught fire in the second quarter. Foye dominated the fourth.
There's not too much more to say, but take the jump for a handful of notes.
- The pre-game chatter was so shamelessly agog with dunks and dunking and getting dunked on and probably Dunkaroos at some point that I assumed we'd see a gentle, if not futile, offensive contest. It was probably around the time Al Trautwig uttered the phrase "loaded with testosterone and filled with dunks" that I got all cynical. Then, wouldn't you know it, the game's first quarter lived up to the hype. Griffin got a few slams in, but the period was mostly a steady commerce of point-blank positioning, flimsy defense, and two-hand tomahawks by Timofey Mozgov and DeAndre Jordan. Timo blasted the paint off the rim on one end (12 points on 5 dunks in the first), but got caught playing goalie on the other. His tendency to ball-watch let Jordan sneak inside for a number of putback stuffs and catch 'n' crams. Eight of the game's first thirteen shots were dunks. Clyde called it a "dunk-a-tharn". We got all huffy when Shawne Williams laid in an alley-oop. It was a little hectic.
- Things crashed violently back to earth in the second quarter, when a small lineup with Toney Douglas running point and Williams/Wilson Chandler manning the middle couldn't score to save their lives. The short bros defended better than you'd expect against Jordan and Ike Diogu (who, to be fair, made things easier with some seriously ghoulish attempts), but ended up more or less punting away every offensive possession. At some point, Baron Davis took over. He bowled over whatever poor mope stood in his way (usually Raymond Felton or Landry Fields) and strode right into the paint for finishes and kicks. Amar'e got in foul trouble, the Knicks bricked threes, and it was pretty much done. Los Angeles led by eleven at halftime and as much as nineteen in the third. There was a comeback, sure, but you know how those go: 1. Big charge, 2. Swell of crowd support, and 3. Kobe-like streak of invincibility by Randy Foye. Of course. Seriously, though, Foye must have happened across a star or something. I swear I heard the music.
- I know I've mentioned that I don't like the current Allstate commercials, but have we discussed how that creepy-ass "Mayhem" character is pretty much Tyler Durden?
-No bro-mo.
- Amar'e Stoudemire played just 26 minutes because of foul trouble. Two of the calls came on attempts to displace Griffin whilst he received long passes, and the other two (if I remember correctly) were charges into Griffin. It sucked, too, because Amar'e stayed efficient after that near-perfect outing against the Sixers, shooting 10-13 for a quick 23 points. He traded hoops with Foye (ugh, that's never going to not sting) down the stretch, but just didn't spin enough to fully inflict his will.
- Stoudemire, by the way, turned his ankle defending one of those long passes. He was down for a bit, but eventually hopped up and continued to play as actively as four fouls would permit him.
- Danilo Gallinari was his usual foul-drawing self, earning 14 free throws (and 14 makes) in a team-leading 40 minutes. The area behind the arc wasn't nearly as welcoming, as Gallo's 1-8 shooting from downtown comprised quite a bit of New York's 6-26 evening. Is it just me, or does Danilo's aggression correlate with how recently he was coached? It seems like he's much more likely to demand the ball and create for himself at the beginning of a quarter or immediately after a timeout than he is later in a series. That surely has something to do with Raymond Felton as well.
- Felton, meanwhile, did that thing where he puts up a solid line despite some occasionally shaky play. 7-15 shooting, 17 points, and 13 points looks pretty okay, and it's really nothing to sneeze at. What the box score fails to capture is a handful of questionable shots, a few seriously shaky passes and, most gravely, more than a few instances of getting took by Baron Davis. I don't know, maybe I'm being too hard on Felton.
- Landry Fields scored on a few big boy drives, but his outside touch from the fourth quarter of the Philadelphia game didn't carry over. He was 0-3 from downtown, and I'm pretty sure they were all empty gym looks.
- That's the thing, really. I'm torn about the shitty three-point shooting. The Clippers gave up some WIDE-ass-open shots. I think I called them "downtown lay-ups" at the time. Like, there comes a point at which you just put the ball on the floor no matter what, but it's easy to delay that three-point embargo when sinkable looks keep emerging.
- Wilson Chandler (5-13, 11 points) eventually sank a few jumpers, but he's unquestionably missing some spring. A sleeve of some sort hugged his calf this evening. Wil moved as if it weighed 20 pounds.
- Mozgov's offensive excellence (which was almost entirely in the first half, by the way) wasn't the only positive to take from the loss. Toney Douglas also played pretty nicely. He chased down a ton of loose balls, drained some big shots in the fourth quarter, grabbed boards, and didn't turn the ball over in 19 minutes off the bench. Aside from one crippling decision to help on an isolated Griffin and leave Foye open for a straightaway three, it was mostly a night of D'ing WTDD.
- I like Shawne Williams's towel-whipping celebration from the bench. I've determined that it's sort of an abbreviated underhand flick, and now I wish he'd incorporate the Singleton special, the snake killer, or the Tasmanian cutback into his repertoire.
- This certainly won't be the best recap you read of the Knicks-Clippers game, but it's surely the only one to include a half hour's worth of video research on bullwhip cracking after 4 AM. At least I hope so. Long live Adam Winrich.
- Ryan Gomes: Triceratops?
- Clyde: When Griffin played at Oklahoma, "their football team scored more than their basketball team". He then chuckled for a full 8 seconds.
- The age-old litmus test of effort, loose balls, really told the tale tonight. The Knicks got a few deflections and the Clips fumbled plenty of basketballs, but L.A. just kept winning those "50-50" decisions and scored on quite a few broken plays. 'Twas telling, I thought.
- They always do these movie preview/All-Star weekend advertisement mash-up things, but a "Battle: Los Angeles"-themed All-Star promo with the Staples Center getting fire-bombed is something else entirely. Jeez.
- Speaking of which, I previously knew nothing about this. Now I do. Posting and Toasting and, um...Learning shit!
- There were "We want Melo" chants, by the way, which is probably to be expected.
- When the guy who isn't Martin Lawrence in the "Big Mommas: Like Father, Like Son" preview asks "how you gonna hide a swag as big as this!?", he simultaneously makes the single most effeminate gesture I've ever seen. Also, I've got an answer for you, deputy momma: a fat suit, fake boobs, make-up, and a lady wig. That's how. Enjoy your swag-ectomy, guy.
Speaking of swag-ectomy, the Knicks are now just one game above .500 with the Lakers up next on the schedule. It would be very Knicksy of them to win that game after tonight's meltdown, but it'd also be very Knicksy of them to just lose it so, uh...there's that. The "making other teams look better" thing can get reversed against the league's best. Or it could get doubly enforced; you never know. Every day is an adventure. I should go to bed now.
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Thanks for your commitment to late night recaps seth,
even for one of the most disappointing losses of the season. Clyde was spouting “swiss-cheese defense” all night long as we made Foye, Deandre Jordan, and a firsthalf Gomes look like allstars. sheesh.
Been a long time since .500, but doesnt look very promising right now. At least Amare could rest up for LA, and a softer part of the schedule is around the corner.
Find a backup pg, please. Rafer, Where art Thou?
Most Definitely
i begged for Rafer before the season began
to no luck…
by blackhova on Feb 10, 2011 11:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm starting to sink back into the habit of just not watching the games anymore.
Just go read the score when it’s done and catch the MSG replay if they won. It’s getting hard to watch this inconsistent shit. If it weren’t for that stretch of easy games early in the season, it’d feel exactly like the last two years.
Let’s hope to god the easier stretch of games towards the end of the season gives us back some swag and momentum heading into the playoffs. Shoot, let’s hope the Sixers and Pacers don’t take our playoff spot.
by GAx on Feb 10, 2011 6:33 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I'm with you
I work 13 hour days, and in the past few years I’ve taken to coming home and just seeing the last few minutes of the game. Now with the resurgence, I TiVo the games and watch the whole thing. I’m thinking of going back to watching the end. Jeez, even the bad Knicks teams of the past few years could beat poor teams at home. Why can’t this one?
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on Feb 10, 2011 7:54 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
That doesn't sound like a true fan
I’m not questioning that you are one, of course you are. But you gotta watch the games. It’s frustrating, but that’s pretty much how we imagined the team during the offseason. They’re young and still growing, and now the wear-and-tear of the season is grinding down. It’s a rough patch but every team goes through that.
We need the All-Star break bad, but I think we’re gonna be fine
I dont know why you criticize me for being aggressive on opposing team sites. Seems like you are willing to sleep with the enemy for the sake of not getting banned.
80 percent of Denverstiffs posters trash the Knicks players calling them bums and overrated and you sit there and offer the most tepid replies and then you criticize when i smack them with factually-based replies mixed in with hard-hitting insults. Get your priorities straight Mr. Magoo or stop talking about me. Yes this is alleyhoopster.
hahhahahah
Where the heck did this come from? Alleyhoopster we root for the same team but go about it diametrically. If I’m going to another team’s site I’m not gonna be a smug asshole in their home, just like we’d savage any Nets fans or whatever who come in here talking shit about NY. You posted there continuously insulting and cursing people out and bragging that you’d been banned from Nets and other sites but you didn’t care since you could just make new names to continue posting under. I tried to post with a little more respect and common sense given that I’m over there reppin Knick fans and sometimes even P&T in their eyes. This is like the third name I’ve seen you post under. Maybe you should stop being a cock.
Wait why are you even talking to me?
Im not talking to you. I am mentioning the fact that you negatively talk about me in denver stiffs and I think thats a little disrespectful.
Ive never been been banned for insulting(meaning something personal) and cursing. Denver stiffs bans anyone, including me, that offers a critical view of the nuggets. Theyre nazis, And there isnt enough lube in the world to facilitate how many times you’ve bent over to get anally reamed by them. Okay no more metaphors(you started it, and i had to throw one in). WE are both civilized and I am all for civilized discourse. Maybe Ive tossed an uncalled-for insult there or there, but then again who hasnt in the heat of an argument. Ill try to be a better poster.
we had just as many of those easy games
the past two years… and we didnt win nearly as many of them.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Yeah don't get it twisted. I'm like 10000x more hopeful about our future now than I was even two or three years ago.
But this consistent inconsistency is frustrating the shit out of me. I should be used to it by now, but getting hyped for the week’s games and then continuously getting baffled and let down wears on me. It might actually wear on me more now that I know we should be doing better.
At least against the fucking Clippers. I think that loss to the Cavs is the only reason they don’t already have the longest losing streak in all of professional sports. Literally.
where'd the high flying...
and fast breaking go. no flow. no movement. no dunking. no rebounding. no blocked shots.
from opening tip, our guys looked more afraid of getting posterized than of getting scored on… and that’s a bad sign.
deandre looked like the second coming… of blake griffin who looks bionic. while our guys… even STAT, look glued to the ground. uggh
jeez...
it looks like the All-Star break is coming just in the KNICK of time. Felton needs it. Wil needs it. Turiaf definitely needs it. STAT and the Landriest of the Land both will be there but it will still be a break compared to their daily grind now. This break should be exactly what the team needs.
i hope you are right
i was thinking that seth’s para on felton is most truthful as he is the leader (i.e. pg) of this team. and his intensity was AWFUL last night and his defense even worse. but i think you are right because landry was all over the place, gallo missed that silly lay up and shot 3-13, we lost almost all loose balls. but everyone in the league has played the same # of games, so…..
seth, you are all right in my book! and thanks for the learning shit stuff; that la air raid is ridiculous.
Maybe they showed themselves what defensive effort can do for you?
They showed that in the third quarter and even the fourth despite Foye’s omnipotence. When you go all out on defense, this team can probably beat anyone.
Amar’e needs to be the catalyst there cuz when he starts doing it everyone else does.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
agree'd
The effort on D translated to offense. Maybe Dantoni can preach that. I know his pro offense, and teaches D.But emphasize movement, team effort, and hustle on D as much as on O.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
to note
I dotn like how Mosgov is put at the top of the key so much. Im not sure if amare did this while playing center. So i cant say if this is by design or if it is of MOsovs’ doing.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
floor spacing I'd say
so by design
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Feb 10, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
its almost to a point that
teams know that we switch 100% of the time and towards the ends of games. They get the mismatch they want. Usually it ends with a big at the top of the key, and felton or fields in the post. Fields does a good job though.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Didn't see the game
for some of the same reasons y’all said already… with the team not playing well, the excitement isn’t quite there at the moment.
I know Melo would help, but couldn’t we use more defense rather than offense? Yeah, we struggled at times scoring/shooting… but were still there towards the end even with Amare in foul trouble most of the game. There’s no reason anyone named “Randy Foye” should dominate a 4th Quarter like that against us. A pure defensive stopper and/or an intimidator would be huge for us. And defensive energy and stops would only feed the offensive energy.
Frustrating times that will hopefully turn back around soon and swing us all back towards optimism…
while I agree we need a d stopper
but i have been warming up to the melo trade quite a bit.
Question for ya: If STAT had played 36 min instead of 26 last night do we win the game? Would it be because he would have caused us to play better defense?
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Can't said we'd win...
but I’d say we wouldn’t have fallen behind by as much as we did at times and not have gotten outscored by 12 in the 2nd Q. And the D MIGHT have been better with him being aggressive in trying for more blocks down low, which doesn’t happen once he picks up a few whistles.
Again, dunno about win, but I’d say the hold probably wouldn’t have been as big to dig out of.
Where is this defensive stopgap at tho?
With melo deal in our faces. I say we try to get what we can right now. And continue looking for the defensive prowess we need when that opportunity comes.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
On the perimeter...
I dunno. On the interior, I still wouldn’t mind picking up Sammy from Sactown. But doing that would probably cripple any Melo deal (unless we turn around and ship Dalembert out again).
Altho, is Melo still “in our faces” after his news last night that he’d “consider” Denver’s extension offer if he isn’t traded? This whole Melo thing is just starting to have a Lebron taste to me with Melo throwing teases out there (“Do I stay or do I go…?”). It’s almost like it’s an attempt to feed his ego to see who wants him more. But maybe that’s just me…
eh..hes always said he consider all options.
the half quote that media is supplanting in the middle of I will “seriously consider” signing here if im not traded.
So dont take it all too seriously. We all knew that he said he would sit down with denver at seasons end and discuss options. Nothing has changed really
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
But yea
dalemburt is all that comes to mind really. But is he worth trading for? as a rental? what type contract would he ask for after seasons end? Its not worth the risk unless they get desperate and ship him for the low.
Maybe him and aaron books type of players are on our Donnie Walsh back-up plan. Along with the minny deal for A.R.
Remember how we had David lee’s package set and ready to go if Bron chose a team other than us? I see the same type of situation coming again. Even if the melo deal doesnt fall through. We may be scapegoated by media, but im sure Walsh will bring in players that can help us.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
This game was typical: mostly "swiss-cheese" defense, occasional lockdown D
Tading baskets a lot, etc. But i guess ususally we hit a few of those
W I D E OPEN threes and squeek out a win.
When you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose, it's how drunk you get.
by Mase in Your Face! on Feb 10, 2011 10:15 AM EST reply actions
Completely frustrating to watch.
But Seth, how can you hate on Mayhem?! Those commercials are terrific!! of course dude is creepy… he’s supposed to be!
the Knicks are now just one game above .500 with the Lakers up next on the schedule. It would be very Knicksy of them to win that game after tonight’s meltdown, but it’d also be very Knicksy of them to just lose it so, uh…there’s that. The “making other teams look better” thing can get reversed against the league’s best. Or it could get doubly enforced; you never know. Every day is an adventure.
There couldn’t possibly be a better description of the Knicks out there. Fucking Knickerbockers, man.
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 10, 2011 10:36 AM EST reply actions
Not to shit on the fan.
But the wetness of Melo midrange J could fix a whole lot more of our stagnant points of offense in the game. Assuming gallo would become 6th man and 2nd unit #1 goto scorer. With a end of game lineup of felton fields, melo, gallo, amare. Our lineups with problems scoring would be erased. And in a offensive orientated team. That could work.
Im not on the do or die train. But im not gonna front like I wont be excited if we did pull that trade off before deadline…without giving up too much.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
On the plus side
Mozgov continues to earn his keep in the rotation, regardless of how easy the rest of the Knicks make it for him with the nice looks.
Now he needs to step up his help D. He did have a nice rejection on help D late in the game (i believe) but i saw him flat-footed near the basket a few times when Davis & co. blew past their man for lay-ups.
When you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose, it's how drunk you get.
by Mase in Your Face! on Feb 10, 2011 11:03 AM EST reply actions
yes!
moz is looking much better. Still has nerves, but much better.
I have a feeling the D is going to come later for him but he def has the tools to do it. That first meeting with GriffDog was def on his mind, and it prob will be for some time. Once he gets over it, he will improve greatly.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
yea
Mos has gotten a lot better. Still has improving to do though. LIke Mase in de face said. He ball watches and forgets about his man, which promotes the blow by layups.
But I dont see him going to the D-league. Hes already in too deep. and deserves NBA minutes.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
D-league?
no way… who is saying that?
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
You DON'T like the All-State commercials?
I think they’re genius.
"I think Murdertron makes a good point though."
yeah they're pretty entertaining
and they’ve got Ryan O’Reily/ Liz Lemon’s beeper-selling ex-boyfriend in em
When you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose, it's how drunk you get.
by Mase in Your Face! on Feb 10, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
He's pretty perfectly cast, huh
I can watch the lawnmower one and the GPS all day.
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 10, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Recalculating
TURN RIGHT NOW
"I think Murdertron makes a good point though."
by Joamiq on Feb 10, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry... Robert, 5 dollars doesn't buy my undivided attention
Everytime I hear that, it reminds me of Mr. Currence and his proper first name. haha!
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 10, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
wow.
thats who that is. been buggin me for a while.
but the Tyler Durden comparison is spot on.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
I AM THE OPTIMIST, always looking for the Silver Lining. The official Silver Lining of this game is of course Mozgod.
Since his breakout game last week these are his averages in the last 5 games: 26.8 Mpg 11.4 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 1.2 bgp, 65% FG…i smell a future center. What do you guys think? too premature?
Depends what you want in your "future center"
I don’t think it’s too premature at all since he’s young, learning and showing some results. I don’t think he’ll ever really be a “dominant” center with a set of post moves, etc. I think most of his offense will come just as we’ve seen, from feeds, putbacks, etc.
But I think he’d be a good complimentary piece on a good team. Has size. Seems active. Shows promise. I’ll take it. :-)
good comparison to MOs, Gortat
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
toney douglas
did not play nicely..
in fact, DWTDD is PTTDOTC for me often
Please Take Toney Douglas Off The Court
MDA messed up leaving him on for too long last nite
Toney brought us back in the game
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
yeah, i can't hate
even though oftentimes TD gets in his own way, he stays hungry long after the other guys throws in the towel. that means something to me.
true
but if only DWTDD just learned how to hit STAT with a sweet bounce pass in the lane….or just learn how to pass period, i’d be so much happier at night.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
i keep hopin
that one day he wont have to focus on that too much. if we find a decent back up pg, all toney gotta do is relieve fields, and DWTDD; defend and score.
by bobitostretch on Feb 10, 2011 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
nah bobito
he needs to learn to dish that rock becuz of his size; he has a PG body. everytime him and Felt are on the court together, we’re at a disadvantage on the D end, when we play teams with big guards. sure DWTDD can defend passing lanes like no other, but when it comes to the switching and the posting, he’s gonna hurt us alot of times. if he learns to move the ball more, we can get a 6’4" plus guard to backup LF, and roll that way.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
He almost chucked us back into the game!
Made glorious summer by this son of [New] York.
by Anthony Randolph's Winter of Discontent on Feb 10, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
not smart shots and plays
are not smart shots…… and plays….
he’s very not…. smart
i will admit that he hit some shots
but those same shots are not smart whether or not they hit.. in fact i may be more annoyed that they hit because they were the ONE time they went and he’ll extrapolate and continue to DWTDD but in bad ways.
i wish we had offense and defense teams, cuz i’d put him on the D and never let him pretend to be a PG.
reminds me of Skee-Lo…………….

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