Knicks 105, Nets 95: "It's raining threes again."
I can't decide whether that felt like a preseason game or a game between two lottery-bound bottom-dwellers in April. Both teams shot around 40% and the overall quality of play just had that "none of this counts, right?" feel. Funny thing is it did count...like a lot. Sans Amar'e Stoudemire, the Knicks were playing to avoid a losing record and, luckily enough, they did just that with a good ol' three-point downpour. With the exception of a, uh, dry spell (sadderbudweiser is responsible for the headline metaphor. I am responsible for bastardizing it.) that spanned almost the entire third quarter, New York was deadly from distance, splashing their way to a 16-34 downtown outing.
And that was pretty much the difference. The Knicks made up for an abysmal performance inside the arc with abundant and accurate outside shooting. They also forced some turnovers and got out in transition now and then...but it was mostly the threes. The night was exciting and also sort of intoxicating. I showed up late and spent most of the latter three quarters standing and screaming "SHOOT THE J! SHOOT IT!" over and over again instead of taking notes, so it'll be pretty light after the jump.
- So, just minutes before tip-off (and while I was elsewhere, peacefully chewing on a burrito) it was announced that Amar'e Stoudemire would miss the game with a sprained big toe. It remains to be seen whether or not that keeps him out of Wednesday's game, but for our present purposes, it meant a return to the starting lineup for Wilson Chandler. Timofey Mozgov (20 minutes) and Ronny Turiaf (10) were both severely limited by foul trouble, so that left a lot of spin for guys who love to shoot threes. Toney Douglas, Shawne Williams, and Bill Walker (who hadn't played in a week) contributed meaningful minutes off the bench and shot a combined 8-16 from downtown. Thanks, benchbros.
- Meanwhile, I don't know what the hell happened in that third period. The shots were no more or less reckless than those of the first half (nor were they any less wide open), but shit just wouldn't fall. New York blew almost all of what had once been an 11-point lead by laying brick after brick until Toney finally hit a three to put them back up four with under a minute to play in the third. The Knicks shot 1-10 from downtown in the quarter, with me imploring them to keep shooting all the while. Again, it was a weird night.
- So, subtract that awful third quarter, and you've got a 15-24 showing in quarters one, two, and four. That's 62.5%. That's pretty good. The Nets probably should have closed out sometimes.
- Don't forget Landry Fields, who drained three very Landry threes in the final period. His back-to-back bombs from either corner pretty much iced the damn thing. After the second one, he even co-opted Portland's "three goggles" gesture. If anyone can get away with that, it's Landry.
- I'm not a huge fan of Kenny Albert's announcing, but I do love the way he says "EE-leven" just like his dad.
- On a quiet scoring night for Danilo Gallinari (2-5, 7 points) and Raymond Felton (4-13, 13 points), credit Douglas and Chandler for stepping up and leading the team. Both displayed the aforementioned accuracy from outside, but Toney was also very productive going to the rim and Wilson had some very nice moves for two-point finishes (though he missed a few weird ones as well. Something still isn't quite right).
- If Brook Lopez isn't going to shave, then I'm going to call him Starburns. He's just asking for it.
- My friend and I agreed that Jordan Farmar looks kinda like a guido Bam Margera.
So...yup. There you have it. Without their leader, the Knicks got silly and it just happened to work. Eliminate Amar'e and you've got a Knicks team that can win games by shooting the lights out from downtown (except for the third quarter, apparently). Trade Amar'e, obviously.
In other news, it is now guaranteed that the Knicks will go into the All-Star break at or above .500. Hooray!
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Marv stopped biting Vanessa Perhach long enough to impregnate his own wife.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on Feb 13, 2011 4:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
how is ronny turiafs reaction not mentioned
it was magical
JETS
Does Bam Margera also have ears that go from baseline to baseline?
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on Feb 13, 2011 4:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What do you think the ticket prices will be on Stub Hub for Melo’s Knick debut at MSG?
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on Feb 13, 2011 4:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
might as well take a risk and buy them now
before the trade goes down
eleventy billion
nba store just got those authentic gallo and amare jerseys in for $250. hopefully we’ll see anthonys.
by bobitostretch on Feb 13, 2011 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
It would be right before the current CBA expires
They have no reason to trade him now. If the Knicks are their only trade option, they can hold onto him, make a playoff run, see if he really has the balls to opt out of his current contract and enter the vast wasteland of the unknown that is the expired CBA landscape. And if it looks as if he will, THEN they can do a sign and trade with the Knicks on the last day of the current CBA so that Melo gets his extension.
Point being the game of chicken will be June 30 or whenever it is precisely, not Feb. 24.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
They lose out on nothing by holding onto Melo past Feb. 24
They are not desperate for that Eddy Curry expiring contract that they would lose out on. And if it’s true Donnie is lowballing the Nugs now, Denver can hold onto Melo until June 30 and THEN accept that lowball trade with the Knicks if they are the first to chicken out in the game of chicken. AGAIN, please understand — the game of chicken does not begin until late June!
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
You hope this to be true.
And you might be right, but your view is based on hope, not logic. If the Knicks can’t include Curry’s expiring, they’d have to give the Nuggets about 8 players and that isn’t happening.
If you get your wish and the Knicks don’t get Carmelo at the deadline, I’m happy for you.
Dave Chappelle reference!
Partially functional, half of me is comfortable, the other half is close to the Cliff, like Mrs. Huxtable
by King Henry the 2nd on Feb 13, 2011 4:22 PM EST reply actions
Knick fans made up like 75% of the crowd at the Prudential Center last night
I was at the game last night and it was funny how little Nets fans were there compared to Knick fans. After every Knick basket there were louder cheers, in the 4th quarter there were defense chants for the Knicks, and fans booed the hell outta Lopez, Favors, and Harris at the line and they missed a few. It was pretty fun, NYK fans should buy out all the tickets for the next game at the Pru. Haha its funny how those smug bastard Net fans still probably think they’re the shit what a joke.
by the_knicks_are_back on Feb 13, 2011 4:51 PM EST reply actions
Wait until they get to Brooklyn. Do they seriously think Knicks fans are going to defect because they’re also in New York? It’s going to be 99 % Knicks fans.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on Feb 13, 2011 5:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It'd take...
It’d take ten years of the Nets making the Eastern Conference Finals every year AND THEN another ten years of Isiah for the Nets to take over.
I like kim
Screw humphries
Follow me on twitter
I'M GOING H.A.M.
by Jeterian 2 on Feb 13, 2011 5:06 PM EST via mobile reply actions
This team desperately needs...
Melo, a new coach, a decent big man and some defensive minded players for next season
i agree wit all
but the coach part. MDA may not be the best, buts he’s good. He basically has a team with two veterans and bunch of college kids(i jus learned shawne is only 24!), and some bench players that nobody is dyin to trade us for (except AR). He has us one win away from tying last seasons win total, with 29 games left still. I think he deserves to ride out his contract.
and yes, lets get melo, cuz everything else will hopefully fall into place in free agency.
by bobitostretch on Feb 13, 2011 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
the problem I have with MDA is that
I just don’t believe in his coaching philosophy. I don’t think you can win a championship by trying to outscore your opponents and not focusing on defense. Look at all the teams that have won recently, all very good defensive teams. Defense wins championships, and his response after every loss is that “we didn’t hit enough shots tonight.” If you are a great defensive team, you can get stops and still find a way to win game. If you are solely focused on offense, if you aren’t making shots or hitting 3s, you dont have any chance of winning
Also, he couldn’t even make a finals appearance with Nash (back to back MVPs) Stoudemire, Marion, Jason Richardson, and Joe Johnson. If he can’t win with the talent on that team, how would he ever win with a Knicks squad. At some
you don't know anything about D'Antoni's coaching philosophy
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
why don't you explain it then
especially since your in the minority of ppl who believe in it
seems more so the majority realizes the reason we ain't winning (and haven't since he's been here)
has not much to do with D’Antoni.
If we had 2 legit all stars plus Ray Plus Gallo/Chandler/Fields, and we’re still struggling…OK.
As is, nyet.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
listen to espn 1050...
every radio host and 90% of the callers don’t think D’antoni is capable of winning in NY with his lack of focus on defense. Please explain to me how you think he can win without stressing defense? He doesn’t hold any players accountable for not playing D.
funny
because Charles Barkley and other professional players have also said that about D’antoni. I think I would take a professional’s opinion over the average fan
Cuz Barkley is more than an average fan....
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Feb 13, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
he knows more than you considering...
he played in the NBA. 100% more knowledgeable and a better source
whatever you say bub.
I’d say 99% of fans know that Barkely is all for show and not to be taken seriously.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Feb 13, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
because he woulda just said
“I played in the NBA”
TNT has a like two minute special
Where they just let Barkley talk at halftime and hope he says something stupid. Yes, he knows about the game, but he’s not the smartest of guys and generally not that well respected
did you really just reference
espn and barkely as reasons to believe dantoni cant win?
wow. Hell hath frozenth ovther
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
You don't need ESPN and Barkley to tell you
His system of all offense and no defense won’t allow him to win. This team isn’t close to the teams he had in PHX with Joe Johnson, Nash, Marion, and Amar’e. If those teams couldn’t win a championship under his coaching, what makes you think the Knicks will? Defense is all about scheming, which the Knicks aren’t good at, and they don’t have good personnel to overcome that.
Also, enlighten me on how ESPN’s and Barkley’s opinions don’t mean more than the average fan. They get paid to do analyze basketball
by fumblesnout on Feb 13, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
well..I guess the Nets fan will settle this
also as THE Felton Spencer, I say that Chuck is a damn fool and every single “expert analyst” should be taken with a grain of salt. Since I can’t believe in this day and age anyone with their own brain would take what they hear from these tools as the gospel.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Feb 13, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't say that
I said that their opinions/analysis is better than the average fan. That doesn’t mean they can be wrong, it just means that they are more educated the majority of people before they make opinions. They can be wrong, but they know more about the subject than most people. It shouldn’t be unquestioned, but they have better background knowledge which allows them to form better opinions.
Personally, I would take the professionally paid analysis over the fan, maybe that’s just me.
by fumblesnout on Feb 13, 2011 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
Ever hear Joe Morgan talk about baseball?
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Feb 13, 2011 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
Meh
I wouldn’t call him a professional analyst. He refused to believe in sabermetrics, which is the majority of analysis in baseball. There’s a reason he no longer has a job at ESPN.
by fumblesnout on Feb 14, 2011 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
"professionally paid analysts" are paid to, essentially, be stupid
why don’t you ever see Pruiti, Silver, and Berri at the analyst’s booth, referencing advanced stats and Synergy and trying to be intelligent? and wouldn’t that be awesome btw? (if only to see Berri get owned)
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
Yea, that's just you.
I’ve listened to way too many analysts be wrong and simply just laugh at their analysis of my teams. Most of the time its like they never watch a Knicks game.
Simply put, to say the Knicks “don’t” ever play defense is false. They do, just not for 48 minutes and usually not when they get told BY THEIR COACH to play defense. No, Pringles won’t sit you on the bench if you don’t box out or let your man go for an easy layup. But he does teach defense.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I am a Knicks fan
I just want to see my team win a championship as much as anyone else. I am not here to fight with other fans. I just don’t think D’antoni gives us the best chance, and there are a LOT of other people that feel the same way
It is interesting
that you identify with the cavalcade of ranting stupidity that is the ESPN 1050 audience. Come on, you are better than that.
Your opinion.( And if its espn's and barkley's too then so be it)
of his ALL offense and NO defense is incorrect. He does preach and coach defense. Is he more offense orientated? Yea, of course we all know that. And you hit it on the nail sir, this team isnt close to the one he had in phx, the same team he ran for years
D’Antoni came to New York after piloting the Phoenix Suns to four straight 50-plus win seasons and three Pacific Division Championships with a trademark high-speed offensive game.
D’Antoni recorded a 253-136 (.650) record in five years with Phoenix. The NBA’s Coach of the Year in 2004-05, he is the third-winningest coach in Suns franchise history (253), trailing only John MacLeod (579) and the late Cotton Fitzsimmons (341). His .650 winning percentage is second in Suns history to Paul Westphal’s .685
D’Antoni was the NBA’s Coach of the Year in 2004-05, as the Suns became the second of three teams in NBA history (1979-80 Celtics, 2007-08 Celtics) to follow a 50-loss season with a 60-win campaign
Now mind you.. he isnt the best coach ever. And if you love defense, your NOT going to be a fan of his. Which is the main reason why knicks fans are quite to slash dantoni. We LOVE defense here. Especially coming from an era of riley and JVG.
But back to our discrussion(clyde). D’Antoni CAN win. This roster is been in the “win” mode now for what…. 52 games?(!) This frachise was in get under the cap mode since Walsh got here. Who on the knicks roster is really a great offensive talent right now? Not many.
Every coach has to have the right type of players to make his scheme work. And right now we are not at the level the of offensive talent the suns had.
So eat up all the “professional” analyst media you want. Of course their idea is better than the “AVG FAN” but most of us here arent avg fans, we take a lot more info in, we watch more games than the avg fan, we read more articles, more stats, and engage in more interent rants than avg nba fans lmao.
Dantoni can be a great coach. he had chances to do a lot in PHX. And that was in the west when the best teams in the league were in that conference. Give him time, and the right players, and it will be very hard to stop his teams if well constructed.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
He is a regular season coach
In PHX, he had Nash, Joe Johnson, Amar’e, and Marion yet he couldn’t win it all. If that team had a scheme to play defense in like SA or BOS or LA, they would have won. Defense is mostly scheming and D’Atoni doesn’t do that, he focuses on the offense outscoring the other team.
He had amazing teams in PHX and he couldn’t win, I don’t see why people think he can do it in NY with a much worse team.
shoulda coulda woulda
only 1 team wins it all. and there are always teams who have talent but dont win anything.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
The guys on ESPN radio are not experts on the Knicks
I guarantee you they’ve watched less Knick games than most of the people here. They’ve got the entire NBA to comment on. And on top of that, Barkley and a lot of other commentators seem to have an irrational dislike of the Knicks.
And the guys that tend to call in are always the coach bashers. That’s not representative of what most people think.
- The Knicks are not “all offense and no defense.”
- Every championship team must be great at both offense and defense.
- You just referenced ESPN sports radio call-in shows. Your argument is invalid.
- P&T thankfully has a lot of posters who discuss stuff rationally instead of driving every argument to a polar extreme for no reason. If I were you, I’d try harder to be one of those posters.
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
Er
Knicks are 2nd best team offensively in PPG – 3rd worst defensively which is a valid point to an extent
-Your point proves his idea that the Knicks cant contend until they get a coach that at least advocates defense
-Eh, he is also citing the community of fans
To me, D’Antoni is just an average coach who does well in the regular season, but whose tactics won’t work in the playoffs
? Idk what happened
Knicks are 2nd best team offensively in PPG – 3rd worst defensively
-Your point proves his idea that the Knicks cant contend until they get a coach that at least advocates defense
-Eh, he is also citing the community of fans which is a valid point to an extent
To me, D’Antoni is just an average coach who does well in the regular season, but whose tactics won’t work in the playoffs
But they also play a faster pace
And none of their big men are great at rebounding. Yes, their system prioritizes getting out on the break and three point shots. But they can also play defense. I’ve seen it with my own eyes.
Pringles has also been to numerous Western conference finals
you don’t get there if your tactics don’t work in the playoffs.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Correct me if I'm wrong
But wasn’t one of those trips to the WCF without Amare too? And the other was the year of all those suspensions for the fight with the Spurs?
I’m not too sure. I’d be lying if I said I followed those years very closely. But if I’m not wrong, my point is that he’s made it that far with some unlucky breaks. I think the Knicks need a defensive minded center (cough, Tyson Chandler, cough) and an assistant coach who preaches defense. I like D’Antoni, but I’m not entirely sold on the rest of his staff
PPG? LOL
If we used PPG as the most important factor in evaluating things, let’s just go ahead and trade Landry Fields for Brook Lopez.
Rate stats >>>> Counting stats
If you want to adjust the pace
7th ppg per 100 poss
20th ppg allowed per 100 poss
With teams like Toronto, Cleveland, Detroit, Washington all in the bottom 10 in ppg allowed, it’s not good
the desperately part is also not true
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Just glad for the W
The refs are the reason we lost the Finals in 94...
by I Hate Olajuwon on Feb 13, 2011 5:29 PM EST reply actions
hell yea
hopefully we grab these next two. atl may have our number, but maybe 3rd games a charm. then the team should be well rested after the all star break.
by bobitostretch on Feb 13, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
big ups to bully
he played decent last night. i love it wen he drives to the hoop. seems like slow motion.
This has nothing to do with the Knicks but I just had an epiphany
Ohio State took Cleveland Cavaliers’ mojo and didn’t give it back until their loss this week. Cleveland won for the first time in a long time this week and Ohio State lost for the first time this week
Landry Fields for ROY
Okay I guess it does have to do with the Knicks
Someone took the Knicks’ mojo
Give it back whoever you are!
Landry Fields for ROY
It's ok to borrow it
I mean, St. Johns needs some mojo bad, but we need it back for the second half.
That 3rd quarter was brutal. Missed shots left and right but I’m glad we didn’t let them pull ahead and stayed with it for the win.
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by Gelatin on Feb 13, 2011 8:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Actually I like "waining twees" better...so Elmer Fudd!
cuz we are definitely huntin wabbit here.
surreal as that game was…I’ll take it. A win without Melo forced a whole buncha peeps to step up. It was a team bonding event at a time it was really needed. Now for a little sweet revenge on the Hawks!
its one thing to start it with a positive jam and it's another thing to see it on through....The Hold Steady
by sadderbudweiser on Feb 13, 2011 9:20 PM EST reply actions
And I'd say that was one of Mozzies poorer efforts since
his breakout game. He didn’t really seem that effective on either end of the court.
its one thing to start it with a positive jam and it's another thing to see it on through....The Hold Steady
by sadderbudweiser on Feb 13, 2011 9:21 PM EST reply actions
NOOOOO DONT TRADE AMAR'E
trade A’MARE
by blackhova on Feb 13, 2011 9:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions
All we have to do is find a female horse named Stoudemire
Sign her to a 10 day contract and by the time she gets to Denver it’ll be too late and well have Melo straight up.
mmmm..kim k
That is one woman I’d swallow my pride for
@therealzlander
by zlander on Feb 14, 2011 3:22 AM EST via mobile reply actions
i disagree kind sir, i couldnt swallow my pride for someone...
who swallowed Ray-J’s ummm…. pride
by blackhova on Feb 14, 2011 7:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
she smashed tha homie
…but i dont care. I’d still get my 3rd leg wet.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

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