A Smattering of Carmelo Anthony Trade-Related Links
by Seth on Feb 22, 2011 6:36 AM EST
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PrintI should probably go to bed at some point, but before I do so, I'm compelled to pass along the wagon full of links I've gathered in the time between the Carmelo Anthony trade (which should probably be known henceforth as "The Renaldo Balkman Trade") and your waking. No mammals or sassy commentary for now. Just links and a few block quotes from around the regions of the internet I tend to frequent. Eat up, babies:
- First of all, we call Renaldo Balkman "Humpty" here at Posting and Toasting. All other nicknames are up for discussion. I became somewhat enamored with the nickname "Biscuit" for Chauncey Billups after a Twitter conversation I had, but that's just me. Anyway, on to big kid things...
I don't think there's any doubt that the Knicks have improved here. At 28-26, they're in the middle of the East. With Anthony and Billups joining Stoudemire, this team is going to battle the Magic for the four-seed the rest of the way. With 28 games remaining, it's not hard to see New York going something like 18-10 and finishing with something like 46 wins, while at the same time being a scary team to play in the postseason.
But a contender? Not yet. That was the issue at hand all along for Walsh. Giving up too much for Melo just didn't make a lot of sense when you were essentially bidding against yourself. The cost might be some tension in the front office, plus a hefty price tag of young talent shipped out to the Rockies.
New York is paying a heavy price, but it’s not as heavy as the James Dolan haters — and they are justified in their hate, for sure — might have you believe. Chandler was likely leaving after this season for a large payday the Knicks wouldn’t provide. Mozgov is a project. Billups is at least Felton’s equal now, and Billups’ deal expires after next season. Only $3.7 million of his deal for next season is guaranteed, meaning whichever team has him can buy him out for that amount during a brief window after this season ends, according to ShamSports.
Championship teams now need three stars, and the Knicks are now one of a select handful of teams to have two. They're also well-positioned to recruit a third, pending major changes to the NBA's Collective Bargaining Agreement of course. They have a steady, tested point guard in place, one who knows how to get the most out of Anthony, and they acquired a solid player in Brewer, who, although nothing special, helps make up for the wave of role players that departed. Importantly, they also retained rookie forward Landry Fields, a prototypical glue player who will become even more important now that the team has two stars. In other words, they improved their top-end talent, built one of the most dynamic scoring one-two punches in the league and managed to do it while gutting things a lot less than you might think at first glance.
An interesting aside from Alan Hahn which, at the moment, is still unconfirmed. (Important parts emboldened by yours truly. The text, that is, not the author. Alan needs no help being bold.):
The Knicks get Carmelo Anthony and Chauncey Billups, along with former Knick Renaldo Balkman, forward Shelden Williams and guard Anthony Carter from Denver and Corey Brewer and, though I can't entirely confirm it, it sounds like a first round pick from Minnesota, as well.
That would be very nice.
Meanwhile, here's Larry Coon with the word on New York's outgoing pick:
Here's the story on the draft pick. It'll be the "first available" after NY sends a pick to Houston.
Still not sure exactly what that means.
Kevin Pelton, Basketball Prospectus:
Ultimately, the price you pay isn't as important as the quality of the asset you get. That's why I tend to think it's a good thing that the Knicks did not let Timofey Mozgov stand between them and Anthony. If Anthony is as good as New York believes, all the picks and bit players in the world aren't going to make a difference.
So is Anthony worth that kind of faith? Seven months after the process began that led to this trade, I'm still not sure. I'm confident that Anthony is not one of the 10 best players in the league because of his defensive deficiencies. I'm also certain that the value of his ability to create shots for himself (as reflected, in part, in his teammates' scoring efficiency) means that he is an elite offensive player and an above-average player overall. There's an important gulf between those two extreme positions, and where Anthony really belongs will determine the ultimate success or failure of the Knicks.
The hardest part of assembling a championship team is getting one of the few elite players in the league. The Knicks now have two of them. That is a core they can put the right pieces around to contend. And that is a reason for hope.
They are not contenders now because they gave up a lot to get ‘Melo. Not necessarily too much, they got more talent back certainly, but they gave up players that are not just a dime a dozen. Yes, they got a quality point guard in Chauncey Billups, a veteran savvy one who knows how to win. But Billups is a poor fit for Mike D’Antoni’s running system. Billups is 34 and not so fleet of foot anymore. He has one year left on his deal after this and can be bought out after next season for $3.7 million (according to Sham Sport’s figures).
The Knicks are going to miss Danilo Gallinari. They will miss Wilson Chandler but they were going to have to renounce him this summer anyway to make room to sign Anthony as a free agent. Timofey Mozgov is a project that may develop into a rotation player but you don’t let him get in the way of a deal for a superstar.
Adam Figman, wise as always, gets the final word:
10 years of overreacting (in both directions) and we still haven't learned? Just let things play out. Jeez.
Starbury was welcomed with open arms and Gallo was booed. We're dumb. Let smarter heads do the thinking and just watch and enjoy. It's fun.
Much more to come, including some welcomes for the new guys and farewells for the old guys. For now, I need at least a few minutes of sleep.
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We told them we'd give them the rights to an international player
He’s an SF/PG who we have been scouting all along…just meets Minny’s needs.
he goes by the name of Spanoulis
Yup
At least we weren’t at the front of the train.
by superturboultra on Feb 22, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
Seth
do you like this trade?
I hate it short term, but long term I guess it makes sense
i loved Felton I will miss him
I loved Gallo I will really miss him
Chandler was so NY, he will be missed
by Archie Barberio on Feb 22, 2011 6:40 AM EST reply actions
Agreed. If they gel fast enough they may be better this year. They still aren’t gonna do shit in the playoffs, maybe a round if they’re lucky. But in the future? Unless they can work magic to build a team around Melo and Amar’e I think they’re worse longterm than the many different ways they could have dealt w/ their young assets.
I don't understand why future building will require "magic"
We’ve just become a team of choice, a preferable destination for other players to come to. We no longer have to convince,cajole, and beg people to play for us. They will want to come and play with STAT and Melo, knowing that they’ll have a good chance to win. Will it be difficult to make the salaries work? Sure, depending on the CBA. But in regard to future growth, I don’t agree that this hampers us at all, I believe it liberates us.
Man, I really don't know.
Melo’s one of my favorites, but so, too, were Gallo, Chandler, and Felton. It hurts badly, but I’m hoping Melo defies expectations and this works. Rarely do I “like” a trade. I hate giving up my Knicks, but life goes on. I don’t have the faintest idea of whether or not they’ll improve.
Exactly....
Soon enough we’ll move into acceptance mode and just get behind the new guys like we were behind the old guys.
Yeah I remember being really disappointed
When they traded Crawford and Z-Bo after a decent start. I actually didn’t watch them for two weeks or so. This hurts a little more because this team was better and Felton, Gallo and Will were my 3 favorites on the team. But we’ll move on….
Def. gonna sign up over at the Nugs’ blog to talk up those guys though!
I Love the Knicks
I know Corey Brewer played with David Lee at Florida. I’ll do research on the rest of these guys later
actually
Brewer was a good throw in
he is lockdown and a great athlete
if he could eve put it together offensivley
by Archie Barberio on Feb 22, 2011 6:47 AM EST up reply actions
aka the more athletic, SG version of Jared Jeffires
but that’s probably a good thing at this point
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
yeah
but we need somebody who plays defense right
by Archie Barberio on Feb 22, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
But that was a separate trade, right??
The Brewer trade did not involve Denver at all did it? From what I can see, there was no pick form Minny to Denver. So, WHY did we spend that Curry/AR asset on a guy like Brewer???
AR had no future here
And even with our lack of size. He couldnt help in that dept. He’s a big in a smalls mentality. I like brewer more, who has very good man to man defense, unlike AR who only excelled at weakside help.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Do we know that for sure?
It’s a lot of potential to give up. If the light bulb ever turned on, he’d be amazing. Was it too soon to give up on him?
by AtlKnicksFan on Feb 22, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
I did like the potential AR could have brought
but he was just wasting away on the bench….would he have ever gotten more pt? who knows…..
we know he wasnt better fitted here than
shawnE, or turiaf, mosgov (before and during his slump).
MDA played guys who developed in practice. Ar was a prime athlete, but maybe he doesn fit well in a system that requires fast thinking on offenst. He always seemed slow to react on O.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
I think that AR
is a clearly problematic player. I think his basketball IQ is in question. And probably that’s the way most GM’s feel. I think the Knicks benched him because he was not capable of helping them win and that hurt his value but them’s the breaks.
AR not cracking the line up
and becoming more of a trade asset caused us to give up Gallo.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Feb 22, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Yup Minny ate Curry’s contract, and Denver will get the savings. Don’t really see what’s in it for Minny, unless they think they will be the ones to finally get across to AR.
Here’s the actual trade in the trade machine, BTW:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4b8zcql
by superturboultra on Feb 22, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t know where their current cap number is, but taking on Curry’s contract is a positive thing generally. It’ll expire and that will give them cap room this offseason. They can afford to take a chance on Randolph since they’re terrible. I think it works for them even though they’re loaded up on “problem players”.
Having Curry or not is not a big deal really
I don’t have the actual numbers, so let’s just make them up (the principal is the same, no worries). Let’s just say they have 30 mil on the books this year, cap is 58, so they have 28 mil in space.
Let’s then assume none of those contracts expire and this trade didn’t happen…they would have 30 mil on the books next year, and let’s assume cap stays the same at 58, they have 28 mil in space still…easy enough.
Now, They take on Curry’s extra 11 mil for this year, so they have 17 mil in space this year, and when he comes off the books, they go back to having 28 mil in space. Curry doesn’t give them more cap space next year, it’s the same either way since he comes off the books. All they do is pay him some this year for the opportunity to take on Randolph.
They seem to be pretty interested in AR to take on what’s left of Curry’s contract, give up Brewer, and even rumors from Hahn they may give up another 1st this year (Utah’s probably) to us. Pretty much, all of that is for Randolph.
we did get a first this year so we have 2 1st rounders because we still have ours
and we got a huge trade exception
Based on the salaries of Melo and Billups
vs the salaries of the guys we gave up (Gallo, Felton, Chandler, Moz)…Curry actually went to Denver in the first trade to make those salaries work. Maybe even AR as well. THEN Denver traded Those two (or at least Curry) to Minny, who had extra cap space and thus can take on a huge salary while not giving away salary of their own…something Denver could not do.
I think the "first available after Knicks send to Houston"
is the one after 2012 one we send them outright, so basically our 2014 pick. That’s nothing new right? Or was the old news that were send Denver their pick of our left nut, our pancreas or our vas deferens?
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
what scares me
is losing alot of picks
that killed us before
by Archie Barberio on Feb 22, 2011 6:48 AM EST up reply actions
yea we need some fallopian tubes, a scrotum and a pelvic splenic ganglion right now
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
A scrotum I've heard of
the rest of those nobodies must have been included in that Knick deal for Melo. I guess Denver wants to stockpile nobodies!
In all sincerity though
This team sold the first piece of it’s soul when they shipped Lee for pieces. Now that Chandler and Gallo are gone, the Good Knicks we lost with are just about all gone. It’s not even bittersweet, it sucks. Who the fuck are we rooting for?
by Dutchmarau on Feb 22, 2011 6:54 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
well we got attached to Landry after a few months
Ray too.
I’m just pissed we’re giving up 2011. I thought we could take anyone in the East to 7 games if we had kept Gallo or Chan this year and anything can happen.
We’re putting too many eggs in the CP3/Williams basket. Also not enough.
We going for the #1 headband, but to get #2 we killed our fam.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
We'll probably need N.O. or Utah to bend over like we just did for Denver
But talent-wise I do think we come out ahead in this. Remember how before the season started we looked at Ray’s career stats of 12 and 6 and said “fuck that, 18 and 9” and we were pretty much right? Probably the same thing happens to Melo’s numbers going forward. Not only that, but the only guy Melo’s been paired with as good as STAT is Billups and he’s aboard now, too.
It feels filthy. We got taken in the trade negotiations. My inner Knicks fan who knows the team hates what we gave up when we didn’t need to. My inner NBA fan that sees the leaguewide picture knows we are coming out ahead of Denver no matter what they think they’re up to or who they spin off to the Nets for middling draft picks
Deliverance
it’s amazing how easy it is to explain away a talent heist. Felton – short term, Chandler – couldn’t sign him, Moz – project, Gallo – had to give something, AR – didn’t play, cash – it’s Dolan’s, picks – ’14 and ones we stole from GS…
We downgraded our own assets. Do you remember how hard it was to find a center no one knew existed, get a solid pg on a fair contract, trade a player you couldn’t keep (Lee) for things of value, developing a 22 y/o ultra high efficiency sweet stroking 6’10" player that can score 20pts in a half? Remember when everyone wanted Curry sized cap space?
NY always buys at the high and sells at the low. In the financial capital we should know better…
I've never had a problem with drugs. I've had problems with the police.
Keith Richards
I love 'Melo but
I can’t even think about this trade, it makes me so angry. Stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid.
Oh well… go knicks whatever………..
by AtlKnicksFan on Feb 22, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
I agree
I liked this team and we gave up
by Archie Barberio on Feb 22, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Woke up hoping it was just a bad dream
Wasn’t everyone (media, bloggers, etc) saying just last week that the Knicks won’t win until they start playing defense? Aren’t those same know-it-alls saying that trading for an all offense/no defense player puts NY in an ‘elite’ position? How does that make any sense?
I've never had a problem with drugs. I've had problems with the police.
Keith Richards
apparently we all know we were playing pretty good d just that people are caught up in to thinking you gotta play shut down d
then we get for bandwagon fodder now see what happens
Victory goes to the courageous!!
I think you know there's no such thing as "know-it-alls"
Fuck their warmed over appraisal from 2005 of D’Antoni’s strategy.
Besides, I’m not sure I ever saw that vaunted Ray Felton defense while he was here. Gallo is fine, Chandler is fine, Mozgov stopped fouling so much. Corey Brewer locks shit down on the perimeter. Has for a while, will for a while. He’s ours it sounds like
Billups is whatever and old. Melo is capable defensively and better know that its time for him to stop fucking around. He’s under the microscope and the fact is that he let the Knicks get taken by staying silent. We all know it here. That shit will be all over NY columns as soon as it’s time to start tearing him down. D up, Melo. Stay ahead of the wave of hate that NY will bring if you shit the bed.
I hope Melo feels you sentiments
I fear a Marbury-esque fit.
I've never had a problem with drugs. I've had problems with the police.
Keith Richards
That's ridiculas
Marbury is not even close to Carmelo in talent on o or D and that’s not counting the fact that Marbury is clinically insane
(I) Fuck with your soul like Ether
(WILL) Teach you the king you know you
(NOT) God's son across the belly
(LOSE) I'll prove you lost already
finally the Rock HAS COME BACK!!!!!!!
STAT 'N MELO!!!
by Ozraider on Feb 22, 2011 6:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Jeff Van Gundy said that the Knicks traded a bunch of replaceable parts for one of the best players in the game. It’s truly a no brainer once you get over the emotional ties you have to some of these long term heroes of yours. Heard some fan of another team saying that the league has to step in and stop these superstars from getting together and building elite mini all star teams. As a Knicks fan, music to my ears!
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on Feb 22, 2011 7:12 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Van Gundy
I still took him seriously back when he was clinging to Zo’s ankle but as a commenter he’s a joke
Van Gundy is the only commenter in the game that's not a complete liar / handjob giver
Best announcer by far…
by ap3604 on Feb 22, 2011 7:17 AM EST up reply actions
Oh and Marv Albert too. Obv he is the icon of all announcers already.
by ap3604 on Feb 22, 2011 7:17 AM EST up reply actions
Everyone else just gives stupid ass statements that make no sense
(Ball goes in the hoop off a jumpshot) “Oh thats just bad defense there”
(Ball doesn’t go in hoop off jumpshot on the very next play) “Oh what great defense he just displayed” =/
Announcers nowadays (Besides Van Gundy and Marv Albert of course) don’t really bring any knowledge to the table and just say random stupid stuff to fill the time up.
by ap3604 on Feb 22, 2011 7:21 AM EST up reply actions
i like jvg too as an announcer
He adds background knowledge to his comments, and keeps it real, too real sometimes, he keeps me laughing.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Back when Marv Albert was announcing and JVG/Riley were coaching, Knick fans were known as some of the most knowledgeable in the league. We just got robbed by the Nuggets and now you’re bringing this up to?
Fuck Jim Dolan and fuck his stupid guitar and fuck that Lie No Better bullshit fake blues.
by superturboultra on Feb 22, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
How did we get robbed when we got the best player in the deal and probably the second best player in the deal? Dolan might have caused them to give a little extra, but Walsh’s style of waiting until five minutes were left on Thursday might have backfired. A story came out last night that the Nets were considering making the deal without the guarantee he would sign, thinking he was bluffing about not signing the extension with them. Dolan did good for once, and Knick fans who have Gallo and Chandler in the hall of fame will get over it when they see the team play. Jeez, they broke up a .500 team, not the Jordan Bulls!!
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on Feb 22, 2011 11:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Van Gundy would think its like that
I bet someone who watches the Knicks would disagree with that.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I mean what sort of replaceble are we talking about?
Easily replaceable? Are these guys easily replaceable?
Maybe they’re replaceable, but its gonna be tough given our assets and how good those 2 were. Calling them simply replaceable is a castratable offense.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
He didnt really say easily replaceable
he mentioned that they are more easily replaceable than coming across a top tier talent like Melo. He said guys who did what we gave up are easier to find basically.
which is the truth.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
I heard "you can replace those guys" and they're "role players who are easy to find"
I’d agree if we’re talking the Bill Walkers and Tone Dougli of teh world.
Not Gallo and Chandler.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Feb 22, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Especially considering how much both players grew this season
I mean right before our eyes! I knew Chandler was gonna be gone, Felton was my favorite player on the new team, but I wasn’t as attached to him, but Gallo?! I like literally can’t believe that he’s actually gone. Not gonna be in that uniform anymore.
The more I think about this, the sadder I get
Well, there better be some equivalent of the mid-level exception in the new CBA, otherwise we’re going to watch some putrid basketball when our 2nd unit comes in.
by superturboultra on Feb 22, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Its a no brainer if you don't know how to negotiate
Unnecessarily overpaying is inexcusable. The Knicks now have less quality depth, and fewer assets to use in potential trades. The lost parts are not that easily replaced, and Amar’e’s knees will feel that.
"The Mets are gonna be amazin'!" - Casey Stengel
"Bounding and astounding!" - Clyde Frazier
by Russ on Feb 22, 2011 9:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
where can you get a 6-10 point forward?
you can’t find that but man.. imagine gallo alternating for melo that was a thought that i wanted to imagine but no… dolan was stupid enough to listen to someone who ran his public image to the ground
Victory goes to the courageous!!
We can get one from Denver
Oh wait…
"The Mets are gonna be amazin'!" - Casey Stengel
"Bounding and astounding!" - Clyde Frazier
Love looking at our roster now...
PG – Billups
SG – Fields
SF – Carmelo
PF – Stoudemire
C – Turiaf
Bench:
TonyD
Corey Brewer
Walker
S. Williams (x2)
Earl Barron
Hope these boy’s gel by the playoffs come. Would love to see Melo and Stoudemire rip a higher seed’s heart out! =)
by ap3604 on Feb 22, 2011 7:15 AM EST reply actions
I say they just put "Extra E" on the back of E's
its one thing to start it with a positive jam and it's another thing to see it on through....The Hold Steady
by sadderbudweiser on Feb 22, 2011 8:00 AM EST up reply actions
And "Mr Parker" on the other.
its one thing to start it with a positive jam and it's another thing to see it on through....The Hold Steady
by sadderbudweiser on Feb 22, 2011 8:01 AM EST up reply actions
Didnt we get Carter?
A back up has to get some burn, doesn’t he?
I've never had a problem with drugs. I've had problems with the police.
Keith Richards
im thinking id like toney douglas as 2nd pg more than carter
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Melo at PF
That’s something I had not expected.
But he can do it in stretches, with Amare at C, Sheldon Williams at SF.
Will be interesting to watch.
I might pitch a fit but I won't put on my brakes. Stand in the Fire.
+1
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
we have melo now
so clearly it means everyone else can just play any other position.
Walker will be getting mad min at the 5 now…
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
my bad
the OTHER Williams
the one who shoots threes
I might pitch a fit but I won't put on my brakes. Stand in the Fire.
Personally
I’d love to watch the Knicks crush a lower seed in the first round and THEN rip a higher seed’s heart out =)
by superturboultra on Feb 22, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
nah.. i want complete uberation
beating a high seed without us having to gain any 1st rdd motivation. Down goes frazier!
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
All that's left is watching HUMPTY highlights on youtube
He’s already helped the 2011 Knicks by being traded for Landry’s 2nd round pick. Now let’s all welcome the great man home
Wow I never saw that “I’m going to go get lifted with Greg” thing. That’s amazing. Keep this man and his nose.
by superturboultra on Feb 22, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
the repeat one always will be
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
This team will be good.
Just got to gel by March. I doubt they’ll gel by Sunday though. The Heat should be a good test.
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"Feet on the ground eyes to the sky" - Landry Fields said this to me
So Chapter Two Begins....
The way I see it this is a three-chapter book. We just finished chapter 1: The Stat Chapter. It was fun and exciting. A good read. We wanted more.
We kinda knew what was in store for Chapter Two: The Melo Chapter. But we didn’t anticipate all the twists and turns along the way during Chapter One and we enter Chapter Two feeling the effects of a serious gut-punch on the last page of Chapter One. Yeah…it hurts. But we’re not putting the book down just yet. We’ve gotta see how Chapter Two plays out.
But what we’re REALLY waiting for is Chapter Three. Chapter Two ends with the arrival of a third main character…we all know the candidates.
This story reaches it’s climax towards the end of ChapterThree: when the 3-star Knicks play in the NBA finals….Spring 2013.
If this happens it’s a pretty good book. If we win it’s even better. If we never get there were hang the author.
God I’m tired.
its one thing to start it with a positive jam and it's another thing to see it on through....The Hold Steady
by sadderbudweiser on Feb 22, 2011 7:58 AM EST reply actions
I want STAT’s evil-all-defense-except-in-the-fourth-quarter-where-he-turns-into-a-dunking-machine-twin to play C.
by superturboultra on Feb 22, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
so I've been doin the Humpty Hump for this Renaldo Balkman trade
ALL NIGHT, we’re in win now mode and to all the nay sayers wit “oh Billups is too old…” mess… watch n learn, Billups is a helluva player and think of the chemistry he already has wit Balkman (and i guess Melo too :-D ). i mean why not. I hate losing Felton and Gallo and The Silent One (I wonder if Seth will include “unimpressed illWil” on other team highlights in pregame threads) but cmon… cmon
by blackhova on Feb 22, 2011 7:59 AM EST via mobile reply actions
This just in.....
Sherwin Williams signs as paint and wallpaper sponsor.
its one thing to start it with a positive jam and it's another thing to see it on through....The Hold Steady
by sadderbudweiser on Feb 22, 2011 8:07 AM EST reply actions
Sherwin Williams
should sign a secret deal with Clyde obligating him to call both Shawne and Shelden Sherwin. No one would know he was doing it on purpose.
He’s already making bank from Borkman and Associates.
by superturboultra on Feb 22, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
This just in.....
Serena Williams changes her name to Sherena.
its one thing to start it with a positive jam and it's another thing to see it on through....The Hold Steady
by sadderbudweiser on Feb 22, 2011 8:11 AM EST reply actions
Well, to continue with the links...I got 2 ESPN articles
Wilbon eases us with the pain by stating the facts and the state of Knickdom in this article:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=wilbon/110222
Chris Sheridan (ugh….) looks over the current Knicks starting players:
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&id=6146231
Landry Fields for ROY
dont like Sheridan...but agree w/ this
“The bottom line: I wouldn’t pick the Knicks against any of the top four teams in the East.
Not yet, anyway.
But I wouldn’t want to play them, either, if I was one of the top four teams in the East. "
Just now found myself watching Anthony Carter highlights on youtube
Not sure how it happened, but he is a Knick now so I guess that’s why… Anyways, I wish to start calling him “Old man Carter” from now on. And while he is a spritely 35 years old, he still looks like he is 50.
I can’t wait till the dust settles and the team is on the court again! Gosh!
"A'melo" is born
"I’m going to punish him. If he hits me, fine, but if I catch him, believe me, I’m going to get the better shot." - Fred Taylor
wait...
what are we going to call Carmelo Anthony?
"go watch another episode of dahrma and greg you butt nutt"
-lohaus#54
The fan formely known as 0(+> (pronounced MetFanWithaPlan)
Bernard King, Jr.?
"The Mets are gonna be amazin'!" - Casey Stengel
"Bounding and astounding!" - Clyde Frazier
whoa
stop it
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
and today is the day knicks blogs
went to shit.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
as clyde says, melo fellow
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
i was about to say that
When you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose, it's how drunk you get.
by Mase in Your Face! on Feb 22, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
CarLo
Give him an italian feel to replace the void left by Gallo
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by Mase in Your Face! on Feb 22, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
I slept on it
What really bugs me, is that the NY knicks traded basically every single trade able asset in one deal. Save for Landry and STAT, every thing of value the knicks had went over there.
I always say I hate getting ripped off. Melo may be worth it, but the kicks got taken to school on this deal. And that bugs the crap out of me.
I guess we will see. It sure feels like we sold out big time. Melo better play really good ball…
Oh well. At least we still have Landry. This just feels dirty…
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
by gbaked on Feb 22, 2011 9:23 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
nah man its not that bad.
we got tradeable guys in billups expiring in 2012. And brewer expiring this year. balkmans contract which amounts to pennies on the dollar. And we all of a sudden have a surplus of guards. Billups, TD, Fields, Azu, carter, brewer, bully. We have less matchup issues now.
extraE can play the 3/4 as can melo at times. We now have a guy who sucks but excels at throwing his forehead around for rebounds. Our whole is still at center, but we got pgs, and more consistent clutch scoring. Not sure what teh second unit will look like as far as who is going to be the go to guy. But I definitely see the positives outta this deal.
It feels dirty b/c of the attachments we’ve had wit each of the guys gone. But its seems to be that we didnt really get schooled in this deal.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
by semsemma on Feb 22, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
it just feels like
we gave away so much so Melo can get 60 mil instead of 40 mil.
I hope your right…
Also, the fact that IT was heavily involved in this is such a dark cloud. I mean, I never considered he was in fact this connected but now it really seems like he is a shadow GM. Didnt Stern say he was a conflict of interest? How is he still employed by FSU? That whole aspect is just making the whole thing worse.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
How is he still employed by FSU
yea, they are doing shitty right now lol.
But Im not a big believer in Isaiah being firmly involved. Maybe Dolan has a man crush on IT and they kick texts back n forth on the regular. That may be someone planting seeds in Dolans ear, but i still believe walsh had/has way more control, and IT is just a guy in dolans life. nothing more.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
I agree
but I do believe that Dolan trumped Walsh on this one. To get the best deal, you have to be OK with the deal not coming together at all or Melo going to NJ. Walsh was OK with that, but Dolan simply had to avoid Melo to the Nets at all costs. I understand his perspective, but I think we could have gotten Carmelo for much less.
what does this all mean for our team
I cant belive that IT is really this involved. Stern made a ruling that IT could not work for the knicks. How is acting as the GM not working for the knicks??
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
I can agree with both of you guys - gbaked and semsemma
But I still gotta see it with my own eyes before I start feeling any real attachment. I also think alot of negative fire burns with IT’s name allegedly attached to all this and Dolan pulling the chair on Walsh. I disagreed with this trade in the context of assets given up and, as a Gallo fan losing him where I didn’t feel he needed to be added – our bench just wouldn’t scare me as an opposing team as it stands now.
But what really bothers me is the mass of fear-mongering being put to print today regarding Walsh and his place in the organization going forward. Not knowing who to believe at this point, I would hate to see Donnie go, because given his present track record, who better to iron out the loss of depth and flexibility we just gave up. Hopefully, Dolan says something like "Hey Donnie! See what I just did there? Now I need you to fix it and make it work. Go to it. " And hopefully Donnie swallows his pride and says, “Just watch me dipshit!”
And as we all know, SASmith is an asswipe, but making statements like mentioned at the end of this article, only goes to show the ethically and professionally vacant quality of many of todays writers/announcers.
IT may be the real reason I am in shock
can someone start a “fire Isiah” chant at Melo’s first game?
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
by gbaked on Feb 22, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
A "Fire Isiah" chant would be sublime
rec’d.
The Garden is going to be a little frightening on Wednesday night.
by RobDiablo44 on Feb 22, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
well SOMEONE didnt rec...
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Sucks to not know who is going to lead us in the future.
You would have thought Walsh is a LOCK. He pretty much performed an exorcism here.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
I hope its Warky Wark or Houston
I think Houston’s been groomed nicely, and he’s a guy that cares for the franchise. My only concern is literally he might be too nice. Don’t know much about Wark, but he’s had plenty of success throughout his career. I just hope it’s not someone totally unfamiliar.
I say all this because I do now believe Walsh is gone after April
I still can't believe Dolan's stupidity
Why would you give up more than you have to? Why would you make it practically impossible to trade for CP3 (or DWill,) who is for more important to building a contender than Melo?
Stupid, stupid, stupid.
"The Mets are gonna be amazin'!" - Casey Stengel
"Bounding and astounding!" - Clyde Frazier
Im right there with ya
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by Mase in Your Face! on Feb 22, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
well...
Starbury was welcomed with open arms and Gallo was booed. We’re dumb. Let smarter heads do the thinking and just watch and enjoy. It’s fun.
not all of us booed gallo and many of us were cautiosly optomistic bout Marbury. But most also thought right away we gave up too much for Curry. many thought trading for zach wasnt gonna work. many thought that trading Ariza was a bad idea.
Many of us have had concerns that turned out to be founded. I dont think its right to immediately say its all ok cause we got Melo… but maybe I will be wrong.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Well I did not like the Gallo pick but basically one youtube video and a summer league
and that was over.
Also I fuckin always hated Marbury. That dude needs to speak for himself there.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Well
I’m feeling very bittersweet this morning as well. But maybe this will make everyone feel a little more excited? Good, silly interview.
http://tv.gawker.com/#!5767051/carmelo-anthony-dodges-trade-questions-just-hours-before-being-traded
I know we got pretty fleeced,
for trading the the whole crew and picks for a person who A) wanted to be here. B) wouldn’t sign with the only other team that was interested. But FINALLY getting rid of Eddie Curry feels so good.
and then balkman comes back
Victory goes to the courageous!!
Welp its the morning and the trade was real.
Its a bittersweet moment. I hope Gallo prospers in Denver (NOT NJ)
I guess now we just wait and see how this team competes. If its as great as Dolan thought then I guess that takes the sting away.
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by Gelatin on Feb 22, 2011 9:58 AM EST via mobile reply actions
everybody take one last look at our old new team
http://www.nba.com/knicks/roster/2010-11_roster.html
Victory goes to the courageous!!
I kinfa feel like the ending of Remember the Titans
at the funeral (of our old team)
by blackhova on Feb 22, 2011 10:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not sure about most.
But im feeling kinda all sexy inside with Corey Brewer here…. dark horse in this deal.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
if a man owns a goat then yes... he is the ensemble dark horse right off the bat
Victory goes to the courageous!!
as yall maybe aware of, im a huge FLORIDA GATOR fan
so im so for this, i think he’ll fare well in this system AND hes a defensive oriented player… playa
by blackhova on Feb 22, 2011 10:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
with carter and brewer
We are better defensively and worse offensively
by AtlKnicksFan on Feb 22, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
which is fine w/ me
we need better balance. We gained offensive consistency with melo/billups, albiet lost some floor spreading with gallo n chandler(at times). The defense does get a kick with brewer. Dont really see carter getting too mnay mins over TD tho. Only way he does is if TD doesnt groom properly under CB, or brewer doesnt impress at the 2(which would make DA us TD there more…putting carter as the back up pg)
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
I dont care for Anthony Carter ever since he was on the Heat way back when
and he hit that shot from behind the basket, that was the first time i ever seen it done in the NBA
by blackhova on Feb 22, 2011 10:06 AM EST via mobile reply actions
NO GASOL!!
Victory goes to the courageous!!
if we managed to trade for Gasol
it would change everything.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
we win buddy we in!!
Victory goes to the courageous!!
well with z-bo expiring and they want to keep him... so they might
Victory goes to the courageous!!
Hmmmm
Alright then….let’s throw in Brewer, Bully, Azibuike, and Rautins….maybe a draft pick for Gasol
Landry Fields for ROY
no
they aint. it would be cool though.
maybe IT should call the Griz management and try to help them. Then we can get Gasol for Rautins and Mason!
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
dreams.
If we got gasol somehow, id shit my pants. immediately.
but hey, if anyone likes brewer and walker, both guards… maybe we do get OJ mayo. I wouldnt mind taking that flyer.Especially with vet leadership here to keep him lined up. Billups, stat, melo.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
with this team now...
I would love to get Mayo.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
if it takes away from Fields min.
then i would have to disagree with u
by blackhova on Feb 22, 2011 11:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
We can get Gasol for Gallo and Moz
"The Mets are gonna be amazin'!" - Casey Stengel
"Bounding and astounding!" - Clyde Frazier
I really hope not
I can’t want Dizzy to have Gallo gone and OJ Mayo here.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Feb 22, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Regardless of how you feel about Carmelo
I get the feeling that the people most excited about this deal are the total fringe/fraud Knick fans who haven’t watched them much or don’t really watch basketball in general. That’s not to say if you are excited about this deal you’re a fraud fan, just that all the fraud fans are really coming out of the woodworks here all GUNG-Ho about this.
When you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose, it's how drunk you get.
by Mase in Your Face! on Feb 22, 2011 10:17 AM EST reply actions
definitely gallo would've complemented melo
at most i’d give up chandler but hey what’s done is done. let’s keep our head up
Victory goes to the courageous!!
yeup
i wanted to keep gallo out of the entire group.But i think from the gallo or fields talk. IT was keep a guy who will split time with melo at the 3, or keep a guy who has started every game and is our only true 2 who deserves burn. Who happends to be the true rookie of the year and is a prototypical glue hussle guy.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
I watch the vast majority of games and read p&t daily
and I think the trade is a form of progress. I think a lotta people here are too close to the guys we sent out to see this objectively. Really, all of them were fan favorites and rightly so but that’s coloring estimations of their basketball abilities. On top of that the negotiations were an embarassment. If you can separate what we got from how we got it, you’d probably have to admit that the team is better now than it was. We didn’t sacrifice youth and flexibility, we parlayed them into what is hopefully the 2nd step of our own big 3.
It’s not “honorable” but it’s the cutting edge of NBA team building, and we’re on it.
Yeah you are right
At least two of the Knicks traded were fan favorites and that is what makes this trade so painful
Landry Fields for ROY
all 4 were.
at least on this board they were.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Also
It would have been a lot more satisfting to see actual players that were on the team before this year go from a laughingstock to playoffs to contenders over the next season or two. I mean, what’s the point of rooting for a team if you’re just presented with a bunch of players and it’s like “Here you go, root for these guys now”
When you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose, it's how drunk you get.
by Mase in Your Face! on Feb 22, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Oh yeah, we just sold our team's soul
Like you say, it ruins the experience that watching this year’s team has been, and it’s been an awesome run that we thought was just the beginning.
Casual fans are excited because they aren’t connected with these guys or the season so far and are just seeing the trade for the exchange of talent being made and who is coming back. I dunno if they’re so wrong though
i think its gonna be funny today wen I am on the subway
and every single poster is covered with Knicks that are not there.
They way they threw them all in and just discounted these guys that they have been selling so hard is so crappy.
I dont care what people keep saying. 7 footers with a shot that can run the floor dont grow on trees. Players as diverse as chandler dont grow on trees. Players as efficient as Gallo dont grow on trees.
Yes, Melo is better then all of them. But to keep suggesting we will find another 7 footer with the talent level of Moz is ridiculous. There was a reason everyone was so happy we had him.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
True
It just hurts extra, cause like we said, they were fan favorites. Also, we literally watched Gallo and Chandler grow into terrific players the last few months. It really is a bit painful.
And Felton was the steal of free agency. I loved his time here and his grit, toughness and passion. This sucks :(
I need to deal with my anger issues
I can’t look at ‘Melo now without feeling enraged. Every picture of him now makes me sad and angry. I’m glad we have him, but it just irritates me how much we allowed ourselves to be ripped off .
Oh well. go ny go ny etc etc
I'm pretty sure he's not playing until Sunday
Everyone’s gotta go through physicals and everything, and the trade hasnt even been officially announced yet so they’ve gotta do that.
Renaldo Balkman
The Knicks have to actually want him. The deal could’ve been done without his inclusion and he’s signed for two years beyond this one. Maybe there’s some kind of a role planned for him after all?
Cheerleader?
"He needs to pitch in a higher league, if there is one. Ban him from baseball. He should be illegal."
—Tom Kelly, manager of Minnesota Twins, after his team faced Rivera
by DarthRichter on Feb 22, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
So we do have a couple expiring contracts
Anyway we can Chandler back :(
Easy Breezy, Off the Heezy, by Weel the threel!
On the plus side
We still have landry! Honestly though, considering how these “negotiations” went, we are pretty lucky he didn’t get thrown in too. I’m actually surprised Denver wasn’t just like, “what the hell, we want him too,” once they realized the knicks were pretty willing to roll over and do whatever.
EVERYONE WHO SAYS MELO IS TOP 10 PLAYER
Who is he better than out of this bunch?
Kobe
Lebron
Wade
CP3
Deron
Durant
Rose
Pau
Dwight
Dirk
(in no particular order)
He's after
Kobe, Lebron, Wade, Durant, Howard, Rose. He can go anywhere after that and possibly ahead of Rose.
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
I think they just mean
top ten in the points per game leaderboard, even if they think they mean top ten overall players
None of em
Anyone watch the All-star game? He looked like he didn’t belong there
When you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose, it's how drunk you get.
by Mase in Your Face! on Feb 22, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
yes
But he still isn’t better than those guys. Maybe Gasol.
When you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose, it's how drunk you get.
by Mase in Your Face! on Feb 22, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, 29 points and 6 rebounds against All-Stars is pretty un All-Star like.
Also a tid-bit. He had the best 3 point percentage on the Eastern Conference squad.
that was Amare not Melo
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by Mase in Your Face! on Feb 22, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
You mean STAT
he means Melo, YOU KNOW, the guy with the best +/- for anyone in the entire all-star game! Team player!
Are you guys really using the All-Star game to justify your arguments? Seriously...?
Donnie's bout to beat the NBA game like he got a cheat code
well its really not like the all star game matters
aside from the last 3 minutes and Kobe that is.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
BTW you forgot Amare
When you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose, it's how drunk you get.
by Mase in Your Face! on Feb 22, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
better than
rost, dwill, pau, dirk.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
probably depends on what sort of night it is...
he can look better than all of them and worse than all of them at the same time.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Just heard from Chris Sheridan on ESPN Radio that the Knicks got back an 11M Trade exception in the Curry trade
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
for how long?
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
It basically means we have 11M to trade! Which could be huge!
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
Yeah between that and Buike RMJ and Brewer
It’s like 20 mil in expiring money, just burning a hole in our pocket
Yeah but this makes the trade even more palatable.
and pretty much means Isaiah Thomas had no input whatsoever because that is smart stuff
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
But....
Minnesota didn’t have a trade exception according to trade machine. The were under the cap so they could take curry s contract and not have to worry about it tho
Maybe its from Denver?
Sheridan just said they have and are looking to trade it with it. He could be wrong of course
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
Trade exceptions
aren’t exchanged. It just means, like you said, Minnesota absorbed that money and we created an $11 million hole in our salary cap this year, and we can fill it by taking back unbalanced salaries in a trade.
Though I’m wondering … if Curry makes around 11, Randolph 2, and Brewer makes almost 4, how is that adding up to $11 million?
There was a rumor the knicks sent 3 million in cash to Minny too
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
That would be great
to try to use that and brewer or bully, or extra e to get us a TRUE Center so then Amare never has to play it. Then you can give him and melo breathers without having to send them to a position they shouldn’t have to play
That shouldn't impact the trade exception though
that’s just a cash and doesn’t have cap implications. as it stands they took back around 9 million in salary from us. Probably just Sheridan in such a hurry to say it first he didn’t care if it was correct.
I can see that there is a lot of rushing to report on the details going around
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i guess that could be very useful
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
This trade just gets sweeter but the hour
I knew you were gonna be useful for one thing Curry!
Landry Fields for ROY
really?
well that’s basically Samuel Dalembert…
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
We have the dumbest owner in sports. God I wish I could play Poker against Dolan. I would be rich beyond belief because he’s the most clueless of the clueless. Knick fans jumping up and down were the same ones who were jumping up and down when we got a “top 10 point guard” who was supposed to lead us back to the promised land. Just give them a shiny object and watch common sense go out the window. Those 2 will never bring us a championship because we have 0 assets to do any more deals. We have 0 picks..we have no young guys with good contracts..we are now stuck with non shooting anthony carter, renaldo balkman LOL and an aging point guard who is still living off of his 1 great season when he won a chip..6 years ago. Suckers really are born every new york minute.
In Donnie We Trust!
It's a pretty cheap deal for a couple years
and they didn’t need to add it to make the money work. I think they brought him in for a reason. If ‘they’ is Donnie and D’Antoni, then his presence is probably a good thing. I mean, he was a pretty tenacious defender a couple years ago in his first go round here and definitely brought a presence of some kind to the game
Otherwise, this trade was actually just step 1
of Isiah’s reassembly of the 06 Knicks from his shadowy position
I can imagine the montage where he reassembles them now
It begins with Isiah going to the supermarket where Mardy Collins is bagging groceries. Mardy tries to throw a cantelouple into a brown bag from 6 feet away but he misses and it catches the edge of the bag, spilling the groceries within. Isiah lights up with his trademark smile and that’s really all I have so far
That's a good start
I can imagine Starbury trying to eat a plate of food with chopsticks, making a face, then putting some vaseline on the food and trying again, and spitting it out. Suddenly, a hand emerges holding a quarter pounder with cheese. On the hand is a detroit piston’s championship ring. Stephon looks up and breaks into a wide smile……
Sunset, the Himalayas
A 6’10" figure, still baby faced, emerges from a hut barefoot in the snow. A diminutive guru follows. “It is done,” says the guru. “The soul of the rabbit has been transformed into the soul of the tiger.” With that, the guru collapses and his body instantly decays into a skeleton.
Flash forward. Rucker playground. The hooded figure dunks repeatedly, then rains shots from outside. He blocks every shot. Finally, in one final dunk, he rips the basket from the concrete, then hurls it toward the river. He grabs a ball and shoots through the flying, spinning hoop. Nothing but net, and the basketball goal lands at the site of the old Yankee Stadium and a field of flowers spontaneously grows.
Finally, the mysterious figure removes his hood and points toward a spectator in dark glasses. “Isiah Thomas!” He booms, “I, Van Horn, have returned. Do you have a contract?”
“I do,” Isiah replies with a meekly smile.
MY GF and I have started to get into the show
Lie to Me. Which is all about a lie detecting guy. He knows faceial expressions and can catch anyone in a lie.
The episode had him in a negotiaion for hostiges. Watching it, made me hate Dolan even more. They kept talking about ways to win all they want in the negotiatoin. I was imagining how easy it would have been for him in this situation.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
now this is crazy
Felton wont even be starting in Denver
Karl named Lawson the starting PG
this kills my #1 in the standings fantasy team
I own Amare Gallo Felton Chandler
3 of my players gone
Gallo actually could thrive there, but it screws me because I cant trade now the deadline has passed in my league
by Archie Barberio on Feb 22, 2011 11:12 AM EST reply actions
Felton will probably become starting PG after a couple games
He needs to ease into the team
But if I know D’Antoni he will start Billups :)
Landry Fields for ROY
Hey
Maybe now that we have Sheldon we can get his wife Candace to come in and play for us…
i wonder how much influence the owners of the Knicks, Lakers, Heat, Celtics and Bulls will have on the new CBA. Seems to me that the franchise tag and a lower hard cap just might not happen the way it has been speculated. Throw the Nets in there too as they will need to spend now to get players to BK.
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
I
was thinking the same thing. Hard for me to believe that the post cba world would just lock these franchises up thereby arbitrarily punishing them for operating within the rules of the current cba. These owners are going to demand some kind of concessions/flexibility in return and I have to imagine that they will get it.
I'm sure they are going to have a luxury tax situation where these teams can overspend like they have now
I just fail to see how they are going to hard cap this league now. Ratings up, merch up, interest up, online profits up, attendance up. The owners aren’t going to cry as broke as previous years.
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
Gallinari on the Clippers would be a serious problem
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
that exactly what I mean that whole team would be a problem for the west
A young big 3 in the making maybe
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
His neck tapers really unnaturally
and yeah he does appear to be sporting a Giddens-esque physique
by Dutchmarau on Feb 22, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Am i the only one who wants some to be trade to the nets
so we can watch them every once and a while
JETS
Hoping Gallo goes there, but he won't
I’d be at the Brooklyn Arena ten blocks from my apartment all the time wearing my Gallinari Knicks jersey
When you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose, it's how drunk you get.
by Mase in Your Face! on Feb 22, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't be able to stomach that
I already hate The Russian enough for gumming up this whole process and being proud to do so, don’t want him reaping any benefits from this at all. I’d rather buy NBA League Pass to watch the guys play then have them conveniently be within the local network.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD6eqP_y9kw
very exciting
So apparently the big toast at Melo's wedding
where CP3 toasted Melo and Stat to the new big 3 in NY, well Stan Kroenke(Nuggets Owner) was sitting in the audience! From that point on the Denver front office had a hard on to not trade Melo to the Knicks
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
haha No it just shows who controls the NBA
the ballas
When you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose, it's how drunk you get.
by Mase in Your Face! on Feb 22, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
He's not supposed to be interacting with the Denver front office anyway
Wait til the NFL hears about this!
This is funny
A series of toasts at the wedding reception, initiated by New Orleans Hornets guard Chris Paul, suggested Anthony leave Denver for the New York Knicks. Paul suggested it playfully, one source said, but subsequent guests — including Knicks power forward Amare Stoudemire and Anthony’s brother, Robert — made the point more forcefully.
Then Kroenke stood up to give a toast and the room was filled with an awkward silence, one wedding guest said. Kroenke tried to make light of the situation by suggesting Paul could come to Denver but that elicited no response.
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
lol poor denver owner
at least he can go back to the fans and show them they did everything they could in the melo trade
With this trade exception lets try and get one of our boys back
You think we can sign chandler in the offseason? now that gallo is gone
Easy Breezy, Off the Heezy, by Weel the threel!
In 24 hours Carmelo Anthony went from star NBA player to MEGA Star A-list Celebrity
I wonder if he can handle it and I wonder if Worldwide Wes is telling LeBron “see this coulda been you fool”
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
Ahh waking up and I see nothing has changed...
I still feel confused about the whole thing.
Elated somewhat b/c we got another elite player,…
but I still have a headache for why we gave up more than we needed to and why I feel like we were on the short end of losing a lot more valuable pieces than the other 2 teams involved…when we should have had the leverage on this whole thing….
wake me up when we make the post season.. (cross my fingers)..
Fire Quin Movement!!
This may be counterintuitive, but...
In reading some of the blogs today, I’m kind of glad that the consensus seems to be that the knicks had to do this, the price was steep but they’re better now. Even though we feel differently, it’s kind of a relief to not be seen as the laughingstock of the league. I’ve had enough of that.
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