Cavaliers 115, Knicks 109: "One stop against Cleveland should not be too much to ask."
by Seth on Feb 26, 2011 11:53 AM EST
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PrintAnd now we wait. For the second game in a row, the new-look Knicks faced one of the league's least efficient offenses (and, in this case, the league's worst defense), but made them look good. This time, though, it spelled disaster. Without Wednesday night's pumping adrenaline and inspired home crowd, New York couldn't rekindle the magic necessary to overcome an utter lack of coherence, even against a bottom-feeding club. In other words, the honeymoon ended rather promptly and the demand for patience began in earnest. Without any measure of harmony, the Knicks bumbled their way to a collapse against a lowly Cavaliers squad. They faltered in pretty much every aspect of basketball, letting a less talented but considerably more fluid group of bros walk all over them. There's something reassuring about the fact that an uncoordinated melange of talent can't win NBA games against even the worst of teams, but not if you're at all invested in said melange.
New York's offense was an uneven mess. Instead of using one another and playing as a team, the Knicks just shifted the scoring burden from one isolation hero to the next. Carmelo Anthony dominated the first quarter. Amar'e Stoudemire came alive in the second. Chauncey Billups scored 20 of his 26 points in the fourth. Each contributed around thirty points, but failed to do so efficiently or with any degree of symbiosis (29-63 as a trio). It was kind of like a group of talented jazz musicians each taking a lengthy solo without ever having established a coherent song. (The mental image of Chauncey wailing on a baritone sax makes this entire experience about 1% less miserable).
The Knicks looked even worse defensively. Bad offenses thrive on fouls and second opportunities (there's your made-up maxim of the day), and the Cavs got plenty of each. Despite shooting just 42%, Cleveland came away with very few empty possessions, particularly down the stretch (see teksurgical's comment in the headline). Basic cutting and ball movement threw the Knicks into a state of emergency. Nobody had anybody else's back, so we saw a lot of fouling (Cleveland took 44 free throws) and serial failure to box out (19 offensive rebounds).
And that's pretty much it. Wednesday's magic wore off very quickly, and we were left with just the motley bunch of pick-up ballers. I'm soothing myself by remembering this team's (well not this team, but you know what I mean) 3-8 start. Before the point guard's compass is established, before the primary scorers know where to find each other, before teammates know when to help each other defend, you have this. The day will come when these guys jell. Until then, we must be patient. We'll have to withstand some seriously ugly basketball and tune out the playa hater's ball taking place on Twitter and television. It's nothing we haven't done before.
That's your recap, really, but you'll see a few of the usual odds and ends after the jump. I'm not trying to dwell on this one for too long.
- TKB's Tommy Dee spent much of the night lamenting the dearth of post-up sets for Carmelo Anthony, and I think he's on to something. I remember just one legitimate back-down play (mismatched against Ramon Sessions, I believe), and it went pretty nicely. In the utopian world of tomorrow, Melo will frequently find himself with his back to the basket and Amar'e Stoudemire prowling on the strong side perimeter in anticipation of a double team. Alternatively, you could see Melo facing up on the perimeter with Amar'e darting into the paint from the weak side. Or vice versa. That'd be great. Anything, really, but one sitting Indian style while the other goes one-on-five would be a major improvement. Both of these guys can hit contested shots, but if deployed properly, they shouldn't have to. Ever. They will figure this out. I can't wait.
- Renaldo Balkman was the lone newcomer to make an appearance off the bench, and he immediately demonstrated his value. He played excellent man defense against Cleveland's second unit, fitting seamlessly into Mike D'Antoni's "switch everything" defense (and I don't say that condescendingly. Not this time.) and making life difficult for everyone from Ramon Sessions to Samardo Samuels. The Humpty Hump is alive and well.
- It seemed like Chauncey Billups had trouble finding a rhythm early because he picked up two early fouls, sat for much of the first half, and then quickly picked up a third and fourth with each reinsertion. He didn't get sufficient time until the fourth quarter, when he was absolutely deadly. He got to the basket over and over again, drilled a pull-up three in transition, and spent the rest of his time wiling his way into contact (12-14 from the line).
- Ramon Sessions can't swallow a pill. In complete sentences, explain how Ramon's pseudodysphagia influences his style of play.
- Amare and Ronny Turiaf blocked a TON of shots, though a number of them were deemed fouls by the illustrious officiating crew. The rampant swatting was excellent, but there's something to be said for staying on the floor and boxing out (or, even better, keeping those blocked shots in the field of play). Maybe that's a silly complaint, but it's not like the Cavs needed much help missing shots.
- Maybe I was imagining things, but I'm pretty sure the MSG broadcast caught Dick Bavetta screaming at a mop boy to get off his lawn the court while somebody was inbounding.
- Melo banged his right elbow at one point, but he returned and can't have sustained a lingering injury because that would just be too much disaster for one evening. I will, however, blame Melo's crucial missed free throw and consecutive off-the-ball fouls in Antawn Jamison in crunch time on the elbow. Being a Knicks fan is all about conjuring your own realities.
- After Toney Douglas played best supporting actor (TIMELY!) on Wednesday, neither he nor the rest of the friends could supplement the top three scorers. Landry Fields (3-3) and Bill Walker (2-3) were nice from downtown, but no place else. Shawne Williams couldn't find the potty. Toney, for his part, shot just 1-8 on many of the same attempts he was pulling against the Bucks.
I guess that'll be it. I have more, but rehashing last night's events is seriously bumming me out. Sit tight, friends. The offense will grow. The defense might even make an appearance too. This team will get better and we'll laugh about what happened last night in Cleveland. For now...on to Miami! [Curls into fetal position.]
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smh
Partially functional, half of me is comfortable, the other half is close to the Cliff, like Mrs. Huxtable
by King Henry the 2nd on Feb 26, 2011 11:55 AM EST reply actions
How are we going to fix our rebounding and defensive problems?
Does rebounding really have to do with “meshing”?
They’re signing Jared Jefferies for his defense, yet Corey Brewer, a good defensive guard was inactive last night. Go figure.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
Jared Jeffries is tall
Corey Brewer isn’t as tall
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
by 1 inch?
I’d say its more so the 40+lbs Jeffries has on him.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Jeffries is 2-3 inches taller
but yeah, it’s definitely the weight. Brewer can’t defend in the post because he’s prone to literally disappear amid all the chaos (whereas Jeffries will flop, which is better).
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
I think it's got plenty to do with that
But, yeah, this team’s probably never going to excel at either.
2 words...
vernon goodridge
http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/11/01/springfield-armor-select-vernon-goodridge-fifth-in-d-league-draf/
by bucketsncents on Feb 26, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Nice timing, big-ish body. But more than anything, we need a starting quality center, even if it’s the worst of our 5. Is he that?
by superturboultra on Feb 26, 2011 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
And Azubuike is ready too go
According to Steve Adamek
Partially functional, half of me is comfortable, the other half is close to the Cliff, like Mrs. Huxtable
by King Henry the 2nd on Feb 26, 2011 12:03 PM EST reply actions
if the coach actually puts him into the game
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
he always plays players that deserve to play
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
probably not.
They guy has not played in almost two full seasons. So I am sure that he is rusty as hell.
by Robert Currence on Feb 26, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Yes!
Two good defenders on our bench….MDA has to realize we need them on the court!
Landry Fields for ROY
TD and Extra E are good defenders
the problem was neither could throw the ball in the ocean last night.
by Robert Currence on Feb 26, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
I think E put cement in his sneakers before last night as well
Alonzo Gee took him off the dribble like Shawne was sleeping with the fishes
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
he's been pretty good...sometimes a missed assignment or 2
per game, but other then that, he does hustle and stay in front of his man most of the time
Fire Quin Movement!!
It's going to take time.
I still believe this team can get out of the 1st round. The 2nd is another story.
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"Feet on the ground eyes to the sky" - Landry Fields said this to me
How much you want to bet they’ll play great against Miami tomorrow and lose, and we’ll be saying if they had played like this against Cleveland they would have won easy?
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
I'm going out on a limb, WE ARE WINNING TOMORROW's GAME!
When Melo and Stat are healthy, their teams are a combined 22 wins out of 30 games against LeBron, Bosh, and Wade’s teams.
"The biggest thing we talked about is Going Forward. Like I said, the Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands at 4:15 on Sunday afternoon. We’ve got to get ready for them. So what we need to do is learn from what happened in the past and Go Forward, starting this morning with our meetings, our walk-throughs and our practice."
-Jason Garrett, November 10th, 2010.
Still working out the kinks.
Well be fine.
Armed Robbery
by Gelatin on Feb 26, 2011 12:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I'm just commenting because I really want to say something, but I don't know what to say.
Being a Knick fan is difficult.
The Knicks are back.
by StarksMiddleFinger on Feb 26, 2011 12:28 PM EST reply actions
I think they'll figure it out too
what exactly “it” is I dunno. We have guys capable of getting 20 boards in one game, but they’ll get 2 the next. No consistency.
Our bench relies on shooting too much. Amar’e, Chauncey and Carmelo all can get to the line at will, but it’d be nice to have someone who is at least capable of doing that more then once every 2 weeks.
Sure, they’ll get spacing down on the O end. But when their shots don’t fall will they still let it get at them on the defensive end and be disinterested in rebounding? This are seemingly innate traits Amar’e and Carmelo share.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
We have guys capable of getting 20 boards in one game
I’m not sure about that.
Fields, on the follow!
how so?
have they not ever did something close to that?
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I mean
Every big man that plays close to 82 games is bound to get 20 boards at least once in a season. Not really saying much.
Fields, on the follow!
Basically, what I'm saying is,
It’s not really a matter of consistency when it comes to our rebounding. Turiaf and Amar’e are just not good rebounders.
Fields, on the follow!
considering Amar'e has 11 rebounds one game and 4 the next
I’d say its unquestionably about consistency
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
It's not like he's showing flashes of great boxing out and rebounding on those 11 rebound nights.
Just seems like those nights come against the New Jerseys and the Torontos of the league.
Fields, on the follow!
or the Lakers, Spurs, Celtics and Bulls of the world
which..well, yea, he did that too.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Pretty soon you'll see how overrated Carmelo is
He’s flashy but has bad shot selection. Gallinari scored 30 points on 14 shots yesterday. Carmelo needs 25 shots to score 30. Carmelo is not much better than Gallinari on most nights, even if his ball handling and rebounding are better. Consider the $15 million extra, and this was a bad move. Plus, Chandler is better defensively. Landry FIelds has looked lost out there with the new guys. Downgrades all around.
to some extent I agree but... TWO GAMES MAN!
by 100% dundee on Feb 26, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Sure it's only been two games
But Carmelo is playing how he always has. It’s not like Chauncey is out of sync- he’s playing great, so this team has limited upside unless Carmelo suddenly changes the way he plays or gets super hot. He has one of the biggest egos in the league, is me-first, shoots almost every time he touches it, and it limits offensive movement. When guys aren’t involved in the offense they lose interest in defense and rebounding too. It’s a matter of adrenaline.
did it really piss you off too
that Melo made his last foul for no reason with like 1 min left in a very close game?
There were 3 knicks around the ballhandler. The play was to foul, but why did our new “Superstar” foul himself out right before the time for the last shot?
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Good question
Melo and D’Antoni need to know this. Since D’Antoni got here, the Knicks have been lacking in end-game high-efficiency decision making.
Example: In a situation where we’re on defense up by 3 with a few seconds to go, D’Antoni considers it his strategy not to foul, when everyone knows that’s the best possible play – ESPECIALLY with our free throw shooting ability.
by superturboultra on Feb 26, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
that wasnt Mike D
it was just a stupid move by Melo.
My roomate is a big cuse fan. He knows very little about the NBA (I had to tell him who D.Howard was). He said right after it:
“thats melo, he gets upset and does stupid things.”
Mike D should not have to tell his brand new superstar not to be the guy to foul when he is sitting with 5 fouls. That is something that a high school star should know. Landry was right next to him with 1 foul on the night.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
I think MDA has handled those situations correctly
fouling when up three is EXTREMELY risky when there’s less than five seconds on the clock, because the fouled player can simulate the act of shooting and get the call more often than not.
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
yes it did!
Before that happened I was thinking, okay, so someone other than Melo has to foul the guy who gets the ball. And then I see Melo fouled him. What an idiot.
hate to agree...
but i do agree. and it seems like the rest of the league stars know it too. “melo being melo”.
i’m not trying to play monday morning quarterback… but unless walsh fills the 5 spot with a superior, athletic, defensive force… we’re gonna have a few years of frustration.
we’ll be able to live with a smart, non-all star PG… but we can’t live without a beast to clean up our stars’s messes.
by bucketsncents on Feb 26, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
I agree 100% on the Gallo and Chandler parts
the rest is way too soon.
Carmelo might be overrated but he’s also been in this situation for 2 games.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Feb 26, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
He’s not overrated. If he was, you’d hear it from other elite players, not fans of other teams on a basketball board. He has total respect from his peers. Think Lebron would tell Melo to sign with the Knicks if he wanted a championship, or say the Knicks are back if he thought Melo was overrated? Melo has scored 27 points in each game, and he hasn’t even played well yet. Just you wait.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on Feb 26, 2011 2:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
As I said before
If peers were good evaluators of how to build a winning team, Larry Bird, Isiah Thomas, and Michael Jordan would be winning executive of the year awards.
by mindfeck on Feb 26, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I really don't care what opposing players say
Why the hell wound’t Lebron tell him to sign with the Knicks if he wasn’t overrated?
Lebron’s the biggest cop out artist in the NBA, of course he’d rather have him on the Knicks instead of someone like Deron Williams
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Yeah, I’m sure that was his motivation. The Knicks scare him so much that he had to make sure they unloaded hall of famers like Gallo and Chandler to bring in a bum like Melo!
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on Feb 26, 2011 2:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not even remotely close to the point.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
What’s the point then? That you’re capable of reading Lebron’s mind and knowing his motivation?
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on Feb 26, 2011 3:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
“I don’t care what opposing players say”.
Do you think he’s going to say anything other than good things about him publically?
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
His comment to Melo that the only way for you to win a championship is to “join Stat in NY”, wasn’t made publically it was made privately.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on Feb 26, 2011 6:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
then how is it even known?
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Obviously the player then made it public.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on Feb 26, 2011 6:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yup
Made glorious summer by this son of [New] York.
by Anthony Randolph's Winter of Discontent on Feb 26, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
im really glad to see Gallo excel
never wanted to see him go…he was truly under-appreciated, and woefully under-utiliized. I’m thinking Denver doesn’t have much choice but to give him the ball, as long as felton isn’t in there, because i feel like felton’s freezing-out of Gallo on way too many occasions prevented him from realizing his true potential.
When you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose, it's how drunk you get.
by Mase in Your Face! on Feb 26, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Easy
two games…that’s it….no need for panic….btw how often does gallo have a game like that?….Melo is better than gallo on MOST nights….only TWO games…
how often is gallo efficient?
Well, he has one of the highest true shooting percentages in the league. 60%. He also has much less turnovers and is a good guy. Ever meet him?
ok and he was 1-6 the night before w/ 2 points
yea I met him…..the thing is no need to dwell on it….gallo is GONE he’s not a Knick anymore so I can give a shit about him. Melo is here. and I’d much rather have him…..I’m done w/ speaking about gallo….just give it time….the chemistry will turn for the better
Gallo was my favorite Knick, but I’d trade ten of him for Carmelo Anthony. His best game is an average Melo game, and we haven’t even seen an average Melo game yet, let alone a good one. Regretting trading Gallo for Melo is like regretting dumping Rosie O’ Donnell for Scarlett Johannsen because Rosie was a good cook.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on Feb 26, 2011 2:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
his best game is an average Melo game? thats just foolish
When you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose, it's how drunk you get.
by Mase in Your Face! on Feb 26, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
Melo has averaged more than 28 ppg in two separate years. How many times has Gallo scored more than 28 in a game? I’ll bet no more than five. And if you’re going to say there’s more to basketball than scoring points, while true, what else does Gallo do? What’s the Knicks record with Gallo since he got here? What’s the Nuggets record with Melo over the years? Which team is going to be better going forward?
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on Feb 26, 2011 3:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No one said Gallinari is better than Carmelo
But Gallinari’s much cheaper, younger, improving. His best games are much better than Carmelo’s average games. 30 points, 10 rebounds, 2 blocks, 70% TS%,
BS. If carmelo isnot much better than gallo, than donnie is one of the most stupid persons alive,
Melo is on another level than gallo, common its not even close, offense wont be a problem, defense is a issue.
BTW: Melo doesnt play only isos, he is besides Kobe the most versetile player in the NBA, there isnt a play in playbook that Melo cant play. But you probably never watched Nuggets, so you assume, that is Melo the one who wanted to play iso and only iso, well newsflash this is BS, Karl plays so called random basketball (idk wth that even means).
But you probably wont believe my word so read this:http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post//id/15495/the-killer-plays-the-nuggets-wont-run (im not usually big numbers guy, but if used selective it can be nice analysis), and id=18209" target="_blank">http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=18209 and http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=18209.
A lot of myths that people believe about melo, are well myths (but im myth buster, he,he), but dont get me wrong Melo still has a lot of room to improve defensively and offensively.
Link
by superturboultra on Feb 26, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Also, how does a team only run 17 pick and roll possessions out of 4 games in the playoffs?
Sometimes the NBA baffles me, I really want to assume these people know what they’re doing, but sometimes it’s quite apparent that they don’t.
Anyone have any numbers on the Knicks’ pick and roll the past 2 nights?
by superturboultra on Feb 26, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
precisely, coaching in the nba is in general average
Reason is they dont let european coaches to come in the NBA, its like an aristocracy-closed for outsiders, its no wonder that you have all that coaching trees in the NBA, which is mideval like.
BTW European coaches are on par with american if not better
You have alot of great coaches in Europe, who are tactically extremly versetile, because level of individual talent is lesser than in states-one of the reasons.
True
But the second I posted that I remembered that a huge part of coaching is managing personalities, getting the most out of guys. I was watching George Karl, and Felton had made a mistake, and he was ripping him on national TV! In his first game, when JR Smith was the one who had put Felton in that situation. Also, I don’t remember the stupid basketball cliche, but it was the kind of thing a smart player like Felton will just roll his eyes at.
Now, knowing what we do about Felton, if you want him to perform well mentally, do you
A. Be his friend, tell him everything he does is perfect
B. Tell him he knows what to do next time and that his effort is appreciated
C. Get on him for little mistakes, and let him know what he did wrong in the most condescending way possible
Before I give the answer, think about a coach coming in from a European culture. Coach would have no idea what to do here, where any Knick fan will tell you that the correct answer is B. Now, for LeBron James, the answer is A. And maybe that’s why the technically advanced coaches from Europe don’t get hired.
by superturboultra on Feb 26, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
Some Euro coaches would succeed with younger teams
and then build auras of respectability, becoming a Sloan or Popovich type “disciplinarian” that commands instant respect. the coach would also learn how to manage NBA personalities, I think.
I mean, fucking Skiles is employed. Euro coaches are nothing like Skiles, because there’s a sound foundation behind their anger.
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
Some players can handle that
But some can’t, and Deron Williams just forced Sloan out.
Popovich had an amazing rapport with David Robinson, who came from the military, and was able to back him up, so that’s the perfect situation for him in SA. If you consider that Robinson then also mentored Duncan, who now serves that role, then getting #50 paid dividends 20 years down the line. I’ve always been fascinated by that. Unfortunately, that’s the exception, not the rule.
On the other side, you have 6 spoiled vets who called a players’ strike in Detroit.
by superturboultra on Feb 26, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
The "spoiled vets" thing has to stop
Most of those guys won a championship under Larry Brown in 2004. And by all accounts (depends who’s spin you believe) either the strike wasn’t organized or it’s all Rip’s fault or Kuester is an incompetent buffoon, but either way it’s more than a little unfair that McGrady/Wallace/Stuckey are being implicated when all three have reputations as good guys off the court.
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
I'm sorry
If you win a championship you have a permanent get out of jail free card? Rip wants to be bought out at full salary. Tell your employer you’re not going to work for the next year but you want to be paid in full and see how that works. It’s selfish that he brought the other guys into it, and it shows that none of them are really interested in playing winning basketball.
Also, Wallace was not involved, a family member actually passed away.
by superturboultra on Feb 26, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
Although....
It’s not like Detroit seemed that capable of playing winning basketball before this all happened anyway.
I Think that is a myth regarding coaching in NBA
What about POP, sloan, jackson, doc, TT basically all great coach are tactically advanced and extremly unpleasant, he,he. Its all about earning respect and trust from your players, and being smart about basketball is great way to doit,. PS: jacskon is little different but you get the point.
to explain more precisely regarding karl
He is great players coach (managing ego), yes he is good at motivating and even making players play hard etc. But he is terrible at x and os, he has offensive structure whatsoeverer (beside isos. So overall he is avarage, if im being generous.
His system is predicated on individual creativity and pace, though
Players are encouraged to use their talents, but the offense as a whole has goals (i.e. what shots to look for) and uses a lot of things (screens, cuts, motions) independent of the structure of an entire play. So it does work out.
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
by The Rooster on Feb 26, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
this is idealistic description of his system and it doesnt show in practice
Basically he demands to attack the basket no matter what, he preaches share the ball, but has no set plays to encourage passing. His system breaks down and becomes stagnant and anemic, basically you would need 5 melos on a team to make it work, which is utopia. I called it laisez fare approach, which dont work in economy nor in basketball. Purpose of plays is to teach and encourahe certain behavious of players, because preaching wont cut it.
by BubbaChuck on Feb 26, 2011 6:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
for example look at cleveland offense from lebron days
Brown had no alternative structure beside lebron playin pick and roll, yes lebron statistics were great and all, but overall their offense was poor and predictable. But a atleast brown was very good defensive coach, so thats way cleveland won so many games, not because of their offense. Its simillar in miami, but now you have wade so thae are better offensively but still predictable and therefore beatable.
by BubbaChuck on Feb 26, 2011 6:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yup
Carmelo can do so much more and iso isn’t the only thing he can do. MDA wants him to do much of that because he is good at it and nobody can stop him from scoring. MDA has many options now because he can to the p&r and he can do iso plays for Carmelo. It will take time but they’ll get better as they build chemsitry. Remember at the beginning of the season, when we were 38 and 8, how our players would just stand around and look lost on the court? They would just watch Stat while they stood around but they started moving around more as they became accustomed to one another. With the old team, we learned how to play together but were still inconsistent and only Stat brought it every night. Now we have Carmelo and that means a pure scorer who is consistent and a nightmare to guard.
This is the same Carmelo who scored 40 points against LBJ last year and beat the Cavs in overtime. Carmelo took less shots that game than LBJ and had him running off the court as if he was ready to cry when the Nuggets won in OT. This will get better and I have said it before that I am not afraid to face the Bulls in first round and I hope the seeding stay the smae so we can get them.
it is better to face miami, because drose can be pest
BTW: can anybody tell about Landry defense, what do you think about matchup landry vs wade, can Landry defend against him,
Anyone in the league.
Landry will work hard and try to make life tough for Wade. He can’t shut him down but will look to limit the damage.
definitely agree
I mean it’s only 2 games, but I hear ya!
This is what I was afraid of…
We all knew Carmelo was exactly how you stated him to be.. and that’s one of the reasons why I think we overpaid…
losing Gallo or Ill Will was to be expected…but not Felton (I wouldn’t mind they keep Billups just b/c of age and all…but we moving him in a year like Felton) or Mozzie…
but that’s the overpaying part of the trade…
If you are critical like me when I watch games, I can see the same thing you do… Landry lost at times… him and the other guys when they celebrate a bucket…Melo is off in his own world and basically ignores them most of the time… he is definitely a me first player and the ego could be a problem if it gets SWOLE quick. He always had a good squad in Denver… and they never did anything really.
Pringles got a lot of work to do with him. If not, I hope we get a coach that can reign him in. I think Melo will come around and everyone will get in sync for the most part as far as the gameplan is concerned…my only thing with him is to keep his EGO in check.
Fire Quin Movement!!
Your faith is remarkable
Just kidding, but no one knows how any of the players in this trade will do. If I were a betting man (which I am) I’d put my money on Melo ending up being the best out of them.
by superturboultra on Feb 26, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
I'd side with you on that bet
I’ve always like the talent Melo has, and all he really needs is to tweak his mentality a bit and boy…he can be season MVP caliber, but right now he’s only proven to be a top 5 player… never the top player…
you know what I mean…
Fire Quin Movement!!
What's the point of saying that again?
Think might Donnie see this post and begins the actual, real, existing process of undoing the trade?
Woah, this video is so sad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3wHC0hJ8lI
Partially functional, half of me is comfortable, the other half is close to the Cliff, like Mrs. Huxtable
by King Henry the 2nd on Feb 26, 2011 12:48 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
You know what
I do feel like my team died and it’s really upsetting
by mindfeck on Feb 26, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Same
Partially functional, half of me is comfortable, the other half is close to the Cliff, like Mrs. Huxtable
by King Henry the 2nd on Feb 26, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
yes
"It was one of those good, deep sleeps; you know, the ones where you wake up and a stream of drool is steadily racing down your shirt? Yes, that kind of sleep." -Landry Fields
by Thelonious Dunk on Feb 26, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
This
Made glorious summer by this son of [New] York.
by Anthony Randolph's Winter of Discontent on Feb 26, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
this.
i honestly didnt care too much about last night.
Its the same feeling I had when I watch the east lose the all-star game. It sucks, cause I want the east to win… but like… whatever.
whatever.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Me too
I’m also finding it hard to root for Melo. I don’t think Gallo can be replaced in that regard.
by SparkLikeStarks on Feb 26, 2011 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
My team didn't die, it got better, and in time we'll all see that.
As much as I liked Gallinari and Chandler; Chandler wasn’t coming back this summer, and we’d have had to renounce our rights to Gallinari next year. Give me two superstars in Amar’e an Melo to go to war with night in and night out. The NBA has always been about Stars leading teams to titles. Gallinari said it himself, he doesn’t think of/see himself as a LeBron or Melo. And his performance on the court dictates that. Sure he’s been improving, but not a rate that says he’s destined to be a star player. He’s still an inconsistent player. Great Chandler an Gallo helped get this team to 2 games over .500 before the all-star break, 5 years from now there’s a good chance these two players wouldn’t have been able to make us any better. In this league the way it’s been constructed, Chandlers and Gallos are nice complimentary players, not players you build your team around.
"The biggest thing we talked about is Going Forward. Like I said, the Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands at 4:15 on Sunday afternoon. We’ve got to get ready for them. So what we need to do is learn from what happened in the past and Go Forward, starting this morning with our meetings, our walk-throughs and our practice."
-Jason Garrett, November 10th, 2010.
by Rohpuri on Feb 27, 2011 2:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I hope Gallo was not sacrificed in vein
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
thought billups deserved a little more love.
His 4th qtr heroics kept us from not only getting blown out, but almost had us snatching an undeserved victory.
I think MDA needs to get back to running things through Stat more. It seems to be flowing through melo more at the moment. And I get that, so that he can get comfortable and acclimated. But he needs to start adjusting his game to stat a bit in order to get this thing moving in the right direction. Melo had his love fest, now its time to get to work. Melo can’t be lost, like he understandably is right now, when stat becomes the alpha male. Stat has showed he can contribute as the beta by cutting and rebounding. Now melo has to learn to let stat be the primary option, and to find the soft spots created by stats gravity (spot up for jumpers, positioning for boards, back door cuts, etc). Its not something he’s ever done before, but he’s gotta learn to do it. So there’s no use to putting it off. Even for a game or two.
by Crackback on Feb 26, 2011 1:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions
plus, and this will sound absurd...
but stat is a better passer than melo, and apparently more mature.
by bucketsncents on Feb 26, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
melo is very good passer, he never played pick and roll in denver (very rare with nene)
Carmelo stat pick and rool (or pick and pop) will be unstoppable
All of the critics who called Gallinari a role player and Carmelo a superstar would make horrible GMs
They also mention how players around the league know Carmelo’s a superstar, and players must be right. Sure, that’s why Larry Bird and Isiah Thomas and Michael Jordan have been excellent talent evaluators.
Donnie Walsh would prefer to have Carmelo Anthony over Gallinari.
You think you’re better than him?
"The biggest thing we talked about is Going Forward. Like I said, the Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands at 4:15 on Sunday afternoon. We’ve got to get ready for them. So what we need to do is learn from what happened in the past and Go Forward, starting this morning with our meetings, our walk-throughs and our practice."
-Jason Garrett, November 10th, 2010.
by Rohpuri on Feb 27, 2011 2:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Donnie most likely prefers Gallinari plus Anthony
its Dolan (and everyone thinking like him) who thinks its Gallo vs Anthony and largely don’t give a shit.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Maybe one day you'll make an argument that's not fallacious?
We can only hope.
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
I'm glad I was able to sell my tickets for a ridiculous profit
But it sucks I’m priced out of future games, and the team is not very fun right now. I wonder how someone becomes a fan of Carmelo Anthony. I’ve been saying how overrated he is for years.
It's easy to be a fan of Carmelo Anthony when you've liked him since his year at Syracuse
Get over yourself and hatred for him. Gallinari it walking through that door no more, if you don’t like it, become a Nuggets fan. Sports is a business, and if you can find someone that can do a better job than Gallinari, you do it. It’s harsh, but thats the truth of the matter. Give the team more than 2 games before you crap on them.
"The biggest thing we talked about is Going Forward. Like I said, the Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands at 4:15 on Sunday afternoon. We’ve got to get ready for them. So what we need to do is learn from what happened in the past and Go Forward, starting this morning with our meetings, our walk-throughs and our practice."
-Jason Garrett, November 10th, 2010.
by Rohpuri on Feb 27, 2011 2:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Denver's evaluation of the trade:
Either one of the 3s we aquired (Danillo or Wilson) would have been worth Melo (11-30 a night) and we landed them both plus picks cash and two promising 7 footers…
That's from their funpost recap of yesterday's game.
Do I have to say that i hate this trade. Not because we lost one game, but because we lost the future.
the onlyyway its good is if it attracts cp3 or d12
CARMELO INTRO! : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdR87JWXlbs
That’s gallo. Every once in a while he gets interested/aggressive, then he disappears. And Wil can’t get off unless someone else is drawing away attention.
We have 3 crunch time options now, as opposed to the utter disaray we had before the trade if stat had an off night or was getting rest.
by Crackback on Feb 26, 2011 1:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Fans are thinking with their hearts here and not their heads. We got the best two players in this deal, yet somehow a few fans think we gave up too much. I can’t believe someone actually insinuated that Denver thinks they put one over on us, when their GM came right out and said they got killed in this deal. Oh, by the way, for all of Gallo’s heroics last night, Denver lost the game.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on Feb 26, 2011 2:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
good point since the trade
Denver is 2-1 we are 1-1 chill out folks.
by Robert Currence on Feb 26, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
Gallo and Chandler are better than Billups
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
Denver won the first game without any of the four playing, so they’re 1-1 as well.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on Feb 26, 2011 7:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah but they should have won last night Roy hit a ridiculous shot
I honestly think they have a better team than you guys this year next year probably not but they are deep and will be a problem in the playoffs 2 deep at every position. Guys like Gallo,Chandler,Smith,Harrington,Nene all an get 30 if need be a scary team.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
they play different positions
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Feb 27, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
thank you, voice of reason.
"The biggest thing we talked about is Going Forward. Like I said, the Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands at 4:15 on Sunday afternoon. We’ve got to get ready for them. So what we need to do is learn from what happened in the past and Go Forward, starting this morning with our meetings, our walk-throughs and our practice."
-Jason Garrett, November 10th, 2010.
Excellent point
Also I will say this: Chauncey, Melo, and Amar’e are guys we can to war with down the stretch for the post season and maybe just maybe steal a first round series. We couldn’t do that with Felton, Chandler, and Gallo. Above all, this trade is not about this season, it’s about 2012 and beyond. There will be bumps in the road, but this team will eventually figure it out.
"The biggest thing we talked about is Going Forward. Like I said, the Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands at 4:15 on Sunday afternoon. We’ve got to get ready for them. So what we need to do is learn from what happened in the past and Go Forward, starting this morning with our meetings, our walk-throughs and our practice."
-Jason Garrett, November 10th, 2010.
by Rohpuri on Feb 27, 2011 2:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
go to Denver Stiffs then, you can cheer for him there.
"The biggest thing we talked about is Going Forward. Like I said, the Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands at 4:15 on Sunday afternoon. We’ve got to get ready for them. So what we need to do is learn from what happened in the past and Go Forward, starting this morning with our meetings, our walk-throughs and our practice."
-Jason Garrett, November 10th, 2010.
by Rohpuri on Feb 27, 2011 2:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
TD praise?
I’m surprised you didn’t go a little more gaga over that beautiful steal DWTDD had while sitting on his rump. Marvelously timely, too bad it didn’t help with the W.
Hilarious
I forgot our old team never lost to worse teams before…only philly, minnesota, golden state, sacramento, PHILLY AGAIN, oh yeah….and Cleveland.
This site will crucify Melo for a while it looks like.
Carmelo showed you in the first half what happens when he starts doing his thing….then again we don’t appreciate Kobe-like players on this site.
Douglas Williams and no rebounding lost us this game…
Tons of payroll flexibility? Are you kidding? Chandler is a restricted FA. How high would you have gone on him? Then the next year they would have had to deal with Felton and Gallo. You maxing yourself out on those guys? If you do, you’re never winning anything. The Knicks actually have more cap room NOW with this deal. They have no room after this year, but there’s no max player out there anyway, and if you signed someone after this season, you’d no longer have a chance at Williams, Howard or Paul.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on Feb 26, 2011 2:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Keep Gallinari
Trade Chandler, Felton, Randolph, picks for Deron WIlliams. Then sign Howard as a FA.
i'm with ya dawg...
been saying it for weeks.
and even though the ship has sailed… it’s the truth.
we root now.
by bucketsncents on Feb 26, 2011 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
We have
a 15 million dollar expiring contract next year again, and somehow we’re not flexible.
Yeah we lost picks, but who the hell cares, we’ll just buy late first round picks anyway
And we have two of the 10 starting all stars last year
You know who else is a selfish jerk? Kobe Bryant.
by James Angelo on Feb 26, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
Really, you don't think Kobe is better than Carmelo?
I’m not sure if you’re serious. He’s better at shooting, passing, rebounding, defending, dribbling, winning MVP awards. He is better at absolutely everything.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anthoca01.html
he is better at everything, common
last time the two of them met in 2009, melo was a mishmatch for kobe. First time in career that kobe wasnt able to guard somebody, and melo was 24. You have compare carmelo and kobe at 26 years old, melo is only entering his prime. Kobe is better defender ok, but shooting common, melo is automatic from midrange, better rebounder really, regarding passing-well melo never played much of pick and roll in karl system, so will see. Kobe is great player, probably the most skilled player ever, but you have to understand that kobe has evolve tremendously since he was 26 years old,, he improved his shooting, especially three point shooting, his post game has become extremly polished, this wasnt zhe case when he was 26. Compiring statistics isnot really fair, if you understand the fact that melo has played seven years in random basketbal system (only isos)m while kobe is playing in triangle for most of his career. We can have this talk in couple of years, when melo will play in actual offense and will look at statistics.
by BubbaChuck on Feb 26, 2011 8:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
now no. prime vs. prime. yes
but now, even in kobe’s prime. melo is the better shooter
Dear FOX...
Fire Aikman and replace him with Strahan please
Bunga Bunga Party anyone???
NO Oline in the first!!!!!!!!!
Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo!!!!!!
I wrote this sig. So if Chris Broussard says he did. he's lying. infact if Chris Broussard says he wrote any store he's lying
by 56THE REAL LT on Feb 26, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
Melo is only entering his prime, kobe in his prime couldnt guard melo when he was 24, when melo polishes his post game (hakeem style) its a mismatch
Kobe said that carmelo is the hardest to guard in the nba
i feel bombarded, lol
i think this is what i was trying to say, but i don’t know
Dear FOX...
Fire Aikman and replace him with Strahan please
Bunga Bunga Party anyone???
NO Oline in the first!!!!!!!!!
Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo!!!!!!
I wrote this sig. So if Chris Broussard says he did. he's lying. infact if Chris Broussard says he wrote any store he's lying
by 56THE REAL LT on Feb 27, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
basketball prospectus did a study and concluded Carmelo has a postive effect on his teams' efficiency
http://www.basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1412
That study showed, that while in Denver, when Melo was on the court, his team’s TS%, TO%, and O Rating were better than when he was off the court. They looked at Denver rosters from 2006-2009.
"The biggest thing we talked about is Going Forward. Like I said, the Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands at 4:15 on Sunday afternoon. We’ve got to get ready for them. So what we need to do is learn from what happened in the past and Go Forward, starting this morning with our meetings, our walk-throughs and our practice."
-Jason Garrett, November 10th, 2010.
yes i posted that article somwhere and i explained why, melo only strached one part of his complete offensive arsenal in denver
just watch knicks fans, garden is gonna get crazy in melo era
i wouldn't be as worried as you all are.
we obviously overlooked this game. and the cavs were fired up. i wouldn’t be suprised if we go on a 10-15 game win streak, bt i also wouldn’t be suprised if we didn’t.
so don’t get crazy over one game against a hot team. there are 26 left
Dear FOX...
Fire Aikman and replace him with Strahan please
Bunga Bunga Party anyone???
NO Oline in the first!!!!!!!!!
Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo!!!!!!
I wrote this sig. So if Chris Broussard says he did. he's lying. infact if Chris Broussard says he wrote any store he's lying
lets give him sometime
when we started 3-8 im sure some people thought that we should have kept D. Lee over amare
CARMELO INTRO! : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdR87JWXlbs
I doubt it
Amar’e was outplaying David Lee. Our problems were obviously Mozgov, Roger Mason Jr, and other general issues.
they were saying amare got too much money for the cap and that his knees wont hold up and that they are very similar
CARMELO INTRO! : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdR87JWXlbs
that probably is true
But there wasn’t anyone else available and overpaying David Lee wasn’t a good idea either.
Analogy time
Give it a rest, there is no way Carmelo Anthony is as bad as you think he is.
You’ve obviously got a lot to say, and I’d like to see it. Hijacking every thread is not a good way to make a coherent argument, it’s just so messy and all over the place. Think you could make a fan post? Please?
by superturboultra on Feb 26, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
amen
Ha,ha. Mindfeck is obviously melo hater, remember all the hate kobe recieved and he is now what top ten all time, relax and let haters hate. Mindfeck you have some links on this post regarding myths about melo that i posted. Read them and come back.
Call him a hater if you want, it certainly looks that way, but it’s possible the guy has a point. If he does it could only help us right? I’d like to see an essay with a beginning, a middle, and an end and then judge if he’s a hater or if he sees something the rest of us do not.
by superturboultra on Feb 26, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
i would like to see that also
Look carmelo isnot perfect player, nobody is. Regarding his defense, melo is very capable man to man defender, especially against other good players (lebron, kobe etc.). It is his help defense that needs work, especially being focused all the time. But like i said before defense starts with coaching, Dantoni needs to demand focus and most importantly accountability from his players. Knicks need to develop defensive culture and everybody has to play defense. And im positive about this, because dantoni is smarter coach than karl and ny media are unforgiving unlike denvers. But this will take time, because its process and cant be done overnight. I will create a post regarding melo, CB and some of this issues.
I don't like Melo
He’s been in the league 8 years and has the same weaknesses he had before. I wrote this over two years ago about how Melo was suddenly playing worse than usual: http://www.nbagauntlet.com/somethings-different-about-melo/. He blamed his elbow then. Now he’s blaming his elbow again.
I compared Melo and Pierce almost 3 years ago. http://www.nbagauntlet.com/paul-pierce-vs-carmelo-anthony/
Since that time, Pierce has picked up his game even though he’s getting old. Carmelo has egotistically said that NY is lucky he brought his talents and any GM would be glad to have him.
Meant to be funny
But I wouldn’t say worthless. It’s important to know he blows when his elbow hurts. And that he thinks he has conditioning problems.
Not exactly groundbreaking
Yes, when a player comes back from an injury it hurts their game. And nowhere in there does he say he thinks he has conditioning problems.
by superturboultra on Feb 26, 2011 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
That's not true
Here’s what your article says: “He reportedly lost 9 pounds in the offseason, slimming down from 245 to 236. However, he does not look any thinner. Athletes often say they lost weight, packed on muscle, or are in the best shape of their lives. Usually lies. His NBA profile lists him at 230, but that was probably his rookie weight. This article mentions 228-230 is Melo’s ideal weight. He weighed 220 at Syracuse. Maybe his chef is too good.”
Nowhere in there does he say he has “conditioning problems” as you claim.
Your argument has essentially boiled down to one time he lost 9 lbs over the summer.
Maybe it’s time to give Melo a second chance, eh?
by superturboultra on Feb 26, 2011 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
Yup
If you’re going to spend the next 4 years bashing Melo, you’re going to have to bring more than that, sorry. Both articles are cute, but a bit superficial in my opinion. You use as much space on his hair as you do on his actual performance.
Did you just wake up one day and decide that you don’t like Melo?
by superturboultra on Feb 26, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
I didn’t claim they were completely in depth. I first realized he wasn’t that good when I had him on my fantasy basketball teams and he was just average. Obviously fantasy does not equal reality, but MVP candidates are good across the board. Then he didn’t improve between seasons 2-8, doesn’t have a strong work ethic or shot selection ability, screwed the Knicks out of a good trade, when he’s just all about the money.
OK now we're getting somewhere
Finally.
Some points are valid (stagnation, but since year 4, not 2, and still very good; shot selection).
Others are not (work ethic – never heard that before; fantasy stats – who cares?; he didn’t screw us out of a good trade, it was Dolan.).
I don’t see any reason there not to give Melo a chance in New York now that he finally has a great partner in STAT.
by superturboultra on Feb 26, 2011 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
Melo did not screw the knicks
If anything the Knicks screwed themselves but that is yet to be determined. They just did not think that Melo was going to leave 25 million on the table and frankly neither do i.
Island Red Fly - try it scrambled
I would have just stayed with our original crew for the rest of the year
we lose out on Melo, then we would lose out on Melo…but Dolan wants to raise ticket prices, have more jerseys selling…blah blah….
Fire Quin Movement!!
but with your original crew you anit winning anything ever
With Melo you have a building block to compete against miami and bulls, okc in the west. Melo will go toe to toe against kobe,lebron, KD etc. and he usually wins the duel. You need that if you wanna win ring, but i agree at least mozgov stayed, that was bad move, because i believe that moz will become dsefensive force in the nba (i watched him in this year WC-he was great, that block on d rose, man)
The crew wasn't staying together in the first place
Most of them were going to be used as assets in trades anyway. Donnie would have probably only kept Gallo and Fields.
either way, we weren't really going to win
everything this year (first round series, maybe depending on who it is)…
take the chance of calling Melo’s bluff (of staying in Denver – I think he was bluffing and going to NJ, please, I think that was another arm pull – IMO)…
I miss Strahan
Those stats decide games.
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"Feet on the ground eyes to the sky" - Landry Fields said this to me
Are you talking advanced stats?
Like PER, TS%, eFG%?
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"Feet on the ground eyes to the sky" - Landry Fields said this to me
Advanced stats? I was referring to PP36 specifically, but it belongs there with them.
Although thinking about it more, I don’t know how you would incorporate advanced stats into fantasy basketball if things have to be decided game by game.
I stopped thinking about it.
I began to search youtube videos that make me laugh within 3 seconds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYW6C44zo24
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"Feet on the ground eyes to the sky" - Landry Fields said this to me
not needed
Just by having turnovers, 3Pt%, FG%, you get an approximation overall of what goes into the advanced stat formulas.
Thank you
"The biggest thing we talked about is Going Forward. Like I said, the Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands at 4:15 on Sunday afternoon. We’ve got to get ready for them. So what we need to do is learn from what happened in the past and Go Forward, starting this morning with our meetings, our walk-throughs and our practice."
-Jason Garrett, November 10th, 2010.
This Melo hate
is a little unwarranted. Like someone else said, this happened before Melo, it happened after. He’s not a selfish guy, he has had all of 5 days to get used to the Knick way. I know we as a fanbase are still bitter about the trade, but dont become the bitter ex who keeps hatin on your former flame’s new relationship.
The Triple Felt Goose movement shall live as long as I am around.
yes & no
some are glad to see him go, but others like me would’ve been happy if he stayed, but now that he’s gone, we’re not necessarily missing him either. Of course it doesn’t hurt that Gallo & Wil have had a great start for us. Our only regret is not having Chauncey.
LOL Nuggets fan
Chandler is gone after this season unless you pay him way over what he’s worth. Felton will be very unhappy behind Lawson, and they’ll probably have to deal him after the season. If Mozgov is your starting center it will mean that Nene is gone, and that’s a downgrade. All you’ll have from thus trade is Gallo, while Melo is starring in NY. Don’t be fooled by a handful of doubters on this board. NY is going crazy over having Melo.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on Feb 26, 2011 2:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i'm not hating on Melo
like I said, I would’ve been happy if he stayed. he’ll have many remarkable games and clutch shots for you guys; i have no doubt about that. And yes, I don’t think we’ll retain all of our trade guys, but we have some options and it’s nice to see some good hustle and teamwork on the current roster. FYI, Nene is more of a natural PF than he is a C.
this right here:
t’s nice to see some good hustle and teamwork on the current roster.
I hope this comes back to the knicks somehow.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
It is his job to score points and scorers are thought to be sellfish by coaches
But off course that doesnt means that Melos only job is to score, he can easily play pick and roll (playmaking), just Dantoni have to use him that way.
Yeah I'm sure
George Karl sucked melo’s dick for the entire last 5 months to stay in Denver, and now he has the balls to throw his ass under the bus so bad. Yes, Melo has defensive issues, but the right thing to do wasn’t to blast him on national TV. At least he didn’t leave Karl with the situation Scott has in Cleveland right now.
Selfish and ridiculous of Coach Karl.
This is why players shouldn’t have any loyalty at all whatsoever to organizations, because essential you’re just a piece of meat to them. Ask Perkins how loyal Boston was to their homegrown hardworking center. You get your ass shipped out for picks and then thrown under the bus by management. You leave in free agency, then you’re considered an asshole.
by James Angelo on Feb 26, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i agree completely
Karl never said anything regarding melos defense in last five years (eventhough i partially agree with his comment, but it is coach job to demand focus and accountability on defensive end, they are paid millions, common).
Melo joined Denver against his will in the first place
fans love seeing athletes as pieces of meat, though. that desire isn’t melting away anytime soon
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
I'm not hating on Melo
he gets a lot of respect from me…
I’m just worried with the jelling of this team, and with Melo, he doesn’t really have a great history of making players around him better…
we know he’ll try to Young Kobe it everytime… he’s got Madd skills…
I just never liked the fact that we gave up to much for him…
I understand the need to get him, was I in total agreement with it…maybe not, but I was still happy to pick up a top 5 player in the league now…but you take the very good and the bad out of it… and I think now people are bringing up the bad part of Melo…
It’s cool to talk about it…it ain’t blasphemy
Fire Quin Movement!!
he makes players around him betterand melo can execute every play in the playbook
he is only (with kobe) that makes other players better by playing isos, whole karl set was iso melo and they still have won 50 plus games, you need to read article that i posted somewher on this site.
He posted this
http://www.basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1412
Which actually disproves the claim that Carmelo makes his teammates better
He didn’t read the whole thing, I guess
Huh?
Adding the two factors together, the player-pair statistics show Anthony improving the efficiency of his teammates by 5.7 points per 100 plays
Using the rule of thumb that each point of differential is worth approximately 2.7 wins over the course of the season, the Carmelo effect appears to create 9.3 wins per 82 games, or 7.5 over the 66 games Anthony actually played last season—a figure 50 percent higher than the value WARP assigns his usage.
Prior to this year, Denver’s Offensive Rating was at least 2.0 points better per 100 possessions in every year of Anthony’s career. The average impact in this span was +4.6 points per 100 possessions. Despite the fact that his own efficiency has been middling at times, Anthony has consistently lifted the Nuggets’ offense with his ability to create shots.
We may not be able to put an exact number on how many wins Anthony’s ability to create means for his team, but it appears to be larger than zero and substantial enough to make him an All-Star-caliber player despite his other shortcomings.
How exactly did the article disprove the claim Carmelo makes his teammates better?
the guy's made up his mind, he hates Melo and will ignore a legitimate rebuttal to his opinion.
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-Jason Garrett, November 10th, 2010.
by Rohpuri on Feb 27, 2011 2:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not top 5
Probably around top 10, I would rank.
1.Kobe
2.Lebron
3.Howard
4.Durant
5.D-wade
6.Rose
7.D-Williams
8.CP3
9.Dirk
10.Melo
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
this list is somewhat useless, because it is hard to rank players, who play different positions
But melo is on another level than all of these players (exceept Kobe) regarding offensive talent, versatility and individual play.
how can you compare cp3 to melo they are totally different
CARMELO INTRO! : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdR87JWXlbs
You have got to be kidding me
Made glorious summer by this son of [New] York.
by Anthony Randolph's Winter of Discontent on Feb 26, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
dwight hoard to cp3 how!? totally different
CARMELO INTRO! : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdR87JWXlbs
So did Deron rise on your list when the trade went through?
his “100 games left in a Nets jersey” countdown begins in a couple weeks I think if you wanted to track it
Quibbling
Top 5 or top 10, chemistry with their new teams is more important. Can we talk about that?
by superturboultra on Feb 26, 2011 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
but shitty cast
Victory goes to the courageous!!
then again they are among the best in their positions
it’s just a matter of preference… like choosing either a ferrari or a lamborghini
Victory goes to the courageous!!
cp3 is a beter pg imo
Dear FOX...
Fire Aikman and replace him with Strahan please
Bunga Bunga Party anyone???
NO Oline in the first!!!!!!!!!
Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo!!!!!!
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by 56THE REAL LT on Feb 26, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
Williams has a bad wrist, which will affect his shooting the rest of the year. Shot 3 for 12 last night.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on Feb 27, 2011 9:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
i don't agree that cp3 isn't top 5 and superman is.
also kobe #1???
durant is better than lebron imo. dirk is about were he should be, and rose is better than wade
Dear FOX...
Fire Aikman and replace him with Strahan please
Bunga Bunga Party anyone???
NO Oline in the first!!!!!!!!!
Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo!!!!!!
I wrote this sig. So if Chris Broussard says he did. he's lying. infact if Chris Broussard says he wrote any store he's lying
by 56THE REAL LT on Feb 26, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Nash?
Gaso? Garnett? Duncan? Amare? Ginobili? Westbrook? Griffin? Love? Bosh? Horford? Pierce? Westbrook?
lol, they're can't be 20 guys n a top 10 list
but i agree that alot of those names should be in they’re in place of some others
Dear FOX...
Fire Aikman and replace him with Strahan please
Bunga Bunga Party anyone???
NO Oline in the first!!!!!!!!!
Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo!!!!!!
I wrote this sig. So if Chris Broussard says he did. he's lying. infact if Chris Broussard says he wrote any store he's lying
by 56THE REAL LT on Feb 27, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
I would have him at 7 on that list...
so yeah, you are right, he’s top 10….but he’s currently top 5 in scoring, right?
scoring wise he’s top 5 – definitely…
all around player… I’d put him at #7 on that list
Fire Quin Movement!!
#1 in scoring
Dear FOX...
Fire Aikman and replace him with Strahan please
Bunga Bunga Party anyone???
NO Oline in the first!!!!!!!!!
Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo!!!!!!
I wrote this sig. So if Chris Broussard says he did. he's lying. infact if Chris Broussard says he wrote any store he's lying
by 56THE REAL LT on Feb 27, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
#6 statisticaly i think
Dear FOX...
Fire Aikman and replace him with Strahan please
Bunga Bunga Party anyone???
NO Oline in the first!!!!!!!!!
Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo!!!!!!
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by 56THE REAL LT on Feb 27, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Lol Kobe is not #1.
Follow me on twitter
"Feet on the ground eyes to the sky" - Landry Fields said this to me
agree'd
i think durant is #1. but you could also put gallo in that discussion
Dear FOX...
Fire Aikman and replace him with Strahan please
Bunga Bunga Party anyone???
NO Oline in the first!!!!!!!!!
Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo!!!!!!
I wrote this sig. So if Chris Broussard says he did. he's lying. infact if Chris Broussard says he wrote any store he's lying
by 56THE REAL LT on Feb 27, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
You even said.
He’s the only guy you’d trade for with that package.
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"Feet on the ground eyes to the sky" - Landry Fields said this to me
agreed
he’s the best all-around player out there…
he can basically do anything he wants to do…(pass,shoot,drive,defend)
and he can dominate anyone he wants to on any given night…
his only weakness is his post up game (average) & his wanna-be entertainer persona on the court (I think he tries to hard sometimes…that whole powder-krap he does at beginning of games…)
but he can guard 4 positions (not including center)
I miss Strahan
well lebron is your natural playmaker, incredible athlete and good defender. But basically he plays pick and roll and he needs ball
His off the ball play is poor, his footwork is average and his jump shot is shaky. If defender stays in front of him and makes him jump shooter than he becomes quite ineffective
in Lebron's defence
he hasn’t had a real 2nd player to play with, he had to run the show in Cleveland. I mean, you got Mo Williams, so he never really had to learn how to play off the ball – and he was always that GUY. So in Miami, I think he’s learning how to play off the ball better – but I don’t follow Miami, so I can only guess with how much better that team is jelling.
His footwork leads to his post up game (so yeah he’s average there)…his jump shot is a lot better & consistent since he got into the league. He may have a bad shooting game on occasion but who really doesn’t. Staying in front of the guy is sometime hard to do… there are only a handful of people that can do that and not consistently…plus the guy is just a straight up physical beast for his position.
I miss Strahan
agree on lot of points, but lebron is basically playin the same he played in cleveland, he is your team PG
In miami offensive system is very simple, basically wade and lebron are taking turns playin isos and pick and rolls, they dont really play with each other, only on fast breaks. But miami is playin very good d and both are always lurkin for steals, and you can take adventage of that. Well se Miami today and you can watch how they play.
i would put lebron as -1, he is great but to overrated
Dear FOX...
Fire Aikman and replace him with Strahan please
Bunga Bunga Party anyone???
NO Oline in the first!!!!!!!!!
Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo!!!!!!
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by 56THE REAL LT on Feb 27, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
agreed. i think hes the best player. id put durant second
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LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
Agreed
It also seems like a lot of people on this board would rather be a mediocre middle of the pack Eastern Conference team with Stat, Chandler, Gallo, Felton that never gets out of the first round while Amar’es knees keep deteriorating. So used to bad Knicks basketball w/o a star player to cheer for, they’d rather watch a guy become 2/3 of a star player than cheer for guys who give us a legitimate chance to compete in the NBA’s arms race which is the post season.
"The biggest thing we talked about is Going Forward. Like I said, the Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands at 4:15 on Sunday afternoon. We’ve got to get ready for them. So what we need to do is learn from what happened in the past and Go Forward, starting this morning with our meetings, our walk-throughs and our practice."
-Jason Garrett, November 10th, 2010.
by Rohpuri on Feb 27, 2011 2:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Nope...
I just think we could have gotten more for the assets we gave up… or we could have retained at least some of those assets. Granted Melo is a “star” and it’s nice having two on the team obviously.
My worry is we don’t have enough left to round out the other areas needed to become a championship team. With the cap room we would have had this summer, we could have added those pieces. Maybe that would have been Melo + small tweaks, maybe it would be a true big man to fill the middle. I just think now we’re VERY strapped for flexibility when we still do have needs that no one can deny.
NY needs to forget a third superstar in the future. Instead use money wisely and get good quality defenders
And a new head coach with defense first mentality. You can either be entertaining or contenders, but not both!
no offense but didn't you say that on the last thread too
CARMELO INTRO! : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdR87JWXlbs
Depends
who that third superstar is. If it’s Dwight Howard than you solve alot of problems.
But let’s not start that until after this season is over.
by James Angelo on Feb 26, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
I mentioned above, I would get D12 for Melo and pick up CP3 later
resign Ill Will during the ofseason..
= a formidable TEAM.
Fire Quin Movement!!
Cool story bro
Partially functional, half of me is comfortable, the other half is close to the Cliff, like Mrs. Huxtable
by King Henry the 2nd on Feb 26, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
You know
As a man who likes to eat I’m soooo glad that I ate breakfast today, because breakfast is definitely the most important meal of the day and if you want to be #1 you gotta go for the gold.
by superturboultra on Feb 26, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
you're gonna lose in the first round because your offense is incredibly predictable
nobody cares if you can stop the Timberwolves come playoff time
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
Well-put. I think the Bulls will be dangerous in the first round, but Celtics dangerous? Hardly.
by superturboultra on Feb 26, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
well when we're making power moves to try and win now
now’s the time to be fickle
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Anybody
who thought this move was about this season is smoking crack. Everyone knows we aren’t in contention this year, what we do with Chauncy’s expiring and/or cap space after next season is when we’re officially trying to become contenders.
by James Angelo on Feb 26, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Anybody
who thought this move was about this season is smoking crack. Everyone knows we aren’t in contention this year, what we do with Chauncy’s expiring and/or cap space after next season is when we’re officially trying to become contenders.
by James Angelo on Feb 26, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
yea
cuz we actually have assets to trade for a third guy and we know the CBA.
Talk about crack? You don’t add a $20 million max player and say this is for the future.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Yeah, this squad's run begins this year with the playoffs
We can write off the regular season as tune-up. But now that the Celtics traded Perkins, if we’re ousted by any team but the Heat, I’m gonna feel like we could’ve done better.
everything's for both
this move just might could fuck the team a little deeper
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Denver lost last night you know
and yeah, they’re not a contender so their losses aren’t looked at as critically as ours, but don’t you then realize why being wistful of what we had over what we will have potentially makes no sense?
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
don't you realize
that everyone’s ignorance of the potential salary cap issues has when you have 2 $20 million players?
Also the fact one of those assets we let get away might could have either been used in a future trade or made sure we could keep an actual viable piece if we did make a future trade?
What we want happens by trade. Trade happens by assets. We don’t have assets and even if we do, we most definitely don’t have anything other then the Jared Jeffires of the world surrounding them.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
The $20 mil players are being spent on legitimate max contract earners
and the flexibility to add a third piece does exist. Dolan’s willing to bankroll it so idk what the problem is
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
Dolan willing to bankroll it is irrelevant
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
then could you make an argument?
because the “not enough room to get Paul” thing is moot if Paul is committed to coming here, and we’re not getting him anyways if he’s not committed, so there’s no actual issue there
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
err...salary cap bub?
Now if CP3 or whoever among these three is willing to take the $14 mill or whatever the cap hit left is out there as a FA, more power to them and better for us.
Via trade, they’ll have to accept what we offer and we’ll have to accept 3 players and shit surrounding them.
I’ve said it for either side anyway. But to just think that we’re automatically getting a third star just cuz Dolan is willing to pay for it is being willfully ignorant.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
We'll get a third star if a third star wants to come here
and we won’t if he doesn’t. that’s the crux of it. fuck the money and cap room, it’s up to the will of the third star himself.
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
LMAO wow a hell of a way to view the situation
Its not NBA 2k11 can’t do anything you want.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
actually in NBA 2K11 the dude would wait to sign a Max deal
even if it threw his career away with a toilet like the Nets.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
should have kept Mozzie
I saw an article somewhere – that Denver, said they would have done the deal w/o Mozzie…
FUCKERS!!!!
Fire Quin Movement!!
The title of this column says it all...a stop
chemistry is a problem as it is with most new teams….but the issue is the same issue we had b4 the trade…suspect defense. not coming up w/ stops when needed. The shotblocking is great, but that does not make a good defense…the rotations were horrible, guys left open on or around the three, Sessions had a layup line going..
The chemistry will come no doubt, but until the D improves, I don’t care who is on the team, they are not winning a title
one reason there are so many blocks-
The Knicks very frequently leave the lane open for layup, which will be blocked sometimes. I never see a team have as many open shots as Knicks opponents.
The defense was bad because nobody knows what to do
It’s not as if they’re not trying. Did you notice how many times someone frantically tried to organize the defense? I remember, on one possession, E being so busy telling a flummoxed Melo where to go that he gave up an open three himself. Everyone’s just confused.
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
cant we hire an assistant coach who’s a defensive specialist
CARMELO INTRO! : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdR87JWXlbs
i heard mike brown is available now
Victory goes to the courageous!!
he,he even better, just picturelebrons face
Man i cant wait series miami ny, i really hope it comes down to this
how about we add delonte as well?
Victory goes to the courageous!!
im not on this sidewagon of "Melo being Melo"
i refuse cuz to believe that in our case, i do feel the bench we play needs to become more consistent and im not askin for 35-40 points a night like we’ve gotten on occassion but think right now billups and melo had back to back 20’s and Amar’e avg 25 the last 2 games, if that keeps up and we get Landry’s 10 a game then y cant we get our bench on one page to chip in atleast 20? especially against teams we SHOULD be beating, they fall asleep and it puts the burden on our 3. remember we barely pulled out that Bucks game…
by blackhova on Feb 26, 2011 2:35 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Technically
It’s not even about stops, it’s about combining a stop with a rebound. That was our biggest problem last night.
by superturboultra on Feb 26, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
Because we do not have a go to guy off that bench.
We are going to have to live with it. The guys we have left make Gallo look like the model of consistency and have all year. We are gonna have to live with the fact that there will be nights where TD, Extra E, and Bully might not miss, but there will also be nights like last night that you are not going to get anything out of them.
by Robert Currence on Feb 26, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
I asked about it in the postgame thread...
Do you guys think Knicks should/can trade for Anderson Varejao?
His numbers aren’t that great compared to many average centers in the league but he would fit great in this system
Landry Fields for ROY
should they?
yes.
Can they? Possibly, but it’ll likely include Fields or whoever our 2011 draft pick turns out to be
Will they? No. Varejao is on the books for $8-9 mill until 2013-14, then he has a team option that offseason.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I think that’s why the Cavs would trade him, to free up that money. He’s not worth as much to them as he is to us.
by superturboultra on Feb 26, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I read about his contract
5 more years and like 7-9 mill per year
It’s doable I guess but I dunno about the consequences it might have on the team’s short or long term future
Landry Fields for ROY
which system?
D’Antoni is not running the same offense he began the year with. From what I I saw last night, he is trying to run the triangle but so far the guys have a half assed grasp of the concept. But what have they had like two full practices and a couple of wlak throughs. But speed is not a premium anymore.
by Robert Currence on Feb 26, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Dantoni is very smart offensive mind
So thats way i believe, that he will use (maximize) versatility of carmelos offensive game, and his (Dantonis) offense is based on movement, which is directly opposite to Karls animate and predictable random offense. Karl isnot great offensive coach, he is average.
though i give him credit for his seattle supersonics teams with kemp
man give him a real pg and an offensive weapon then he’d turn that team in to an road show that wins
Victory goes to the courageous!!
a lot of flash, very little substance just like in denver
Denver teams won alot of games (regular season), they were fun to watch, heell they were in WFC and they were the better team for first 4 games, basically this was finals cause denver would demolish orlando in finals, but from a coaching stand point their offense was predictable and boring, basicaly denver ran 60 percent iso melo and rest was well, chaos (Jr shooting, chauncey shooting trees, iso nene you get the point). My point is that Karl had talented offensive team and his laisez faire approach worked, especially in regular season (very differne than playyofs), but when he came against great offensive or defensive teams this approach doesnt work anymore, jazz last year run circles around denver, despite the fact that nobody on that team cant gaurd melo, nobody. For example, Dantonis Suns usualy destroyed Denver, because Dantony actualy has an offensive system unlike Karl.
They were pretty legit...
They made it to the NBA Finals 1996..lost, but hell of a squad…
Fire Quin Movement!!
yep to the 70-12 bulls
Victory goes to the courageous!!
seattle lost against denver team in 1994
With mutombo and bunch of scrubs (go back and watch games youll see way), but my point is about denver, wheregameplan was basically melo against opposing team. And that is bad coaching.
Yeah, Seattle had 1 great year and another very good year...
other than that, they were just average back then
Fire Quin Movement!!
It's a message to
all 1994 Nuggets haters. That was one of the best underdog runs ever, they made history in the next round too
look i dont have beef with that
My point was about Karls coaching, and usually i love underdogs and players that are thrown under the bus by media (just listen to melo hate he,he)
now that was a real dynasty
in the modern era of the NBA
I mean they could have easily gotten 6 in a row…hell I meant 7 in a row if Jordan didn’t retire
I give them props…
but I hated playing Jordan and his Bulls back then…
Starks should have made at least 2 buckets that one game
and Spree should have nailed that layup the other game – that would have been 2 Championships in the 90s
Fire Quin Movement!!
Overrated Melo?
Go ask Denver how overrated Melo is in two weeks. You’ll be seeing a lot of last night’s Denver v. Portland outcome with the Nuggets now. Gallo is sloppy compared to Melo. And I think we’ve already seen that Billups is a far better player than Felton.
yes, Billups is far better than Felton
question for you guys. What’s the potential of Felton compared to Billups? He’s not had a great start for us yet, but I gotta believe that the learning curve for PG is the toughest.
Felton can be very good for you
He is fast, smart and a positive presence on and off the court. He needs some time to get comfortable with the team (that’s why Knicks started 3-8) but after that you’ll be happy with him. He was putting 9-10 assists night in and night out for us (which is comparable to Bllups’ numbers) and I don’t see why he won’t do it for you. Billups is better today, but in 2 years Felton will be in his prime and Billups will be gone.
well defensivly CB will have a lot of problems
Knicks pick and roll defensive scheme has to be very smart and oppurtunistic, othervise CB will get burned by DRose, Dwill etc. Ny will have a lot of problems with Nets (yes even now-future battle of NY), if Dantoni doesnt come up with effective defensive scheme. Basically the have to trap and be very aggresive against Dwill for example. Because in last playoffs series Dwill destroyed CB, it wasnt pretty.
Felton's biggest asset is that he is fearless
Worst is that he isn’t afraid of his own jumper sometimes
thanks for the feedback
based on rave reviews (from P&T guys) prior the trade, I figured he had more to offer than what he’s shown. Unfortunately, his start made him look a lot like our old PG, Anthony Carter, whom you have the pleasure of watching now.
Felton won’t be happy in Denver as Lawson’s backup. He’s going to be in his walk year next year, and it’s going to cost him millions in his next contract if he doesn’t get starter minutes. I read that his agent has already met with the Nuggets to discuss his situation. Denver’s going to have to trade him after the season.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on Feb 27, 2011 9:50 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
can EVERYONE just be patient!!
holy crap. we have to stop being so short-sighted!
its been two damn games!! anyone who has ever played some time of team sport EVER knows it takes time to build up chemistry with new players. OMFG some of you need to shut-up.
melo is melo. exactly. hes amazing. best pure scorer in the game (maybe durant?). amar’e is amar’e. we know what their capable of.
we scored a crap lod of points in these last 2 games and these guys are still playing pick-up ball. offense excels with chemistry, but a single effort can compensate for it.
defense on the other hand is completely a team game. they will get it. give it some damn time and you’ll see what this team can be.
we can sign barron, cut mason, than sign another big that gets cuts and lastly cut carter. it can work guys, we just need to be patient.
CHILL THE F OUT.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
by Moshe52792 on Feb 26, 2011 3:15 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
DEFENSE is a Team concept
Yes i agree defense starts with coaching, ask PP and Ray Allen.
Kevin Garnett was why they could be that good at defense.
Basically Amare and Anthony are our versions of Allen and PP. We need that big time defensive big to be our anchor.
Only problem is whether Dwight Howard will take a pay cut to play here.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Yes but, even when KG went they were still very good defensive team
Its all about bouilding defensive culture, because on defensive end everybody have to play together, defense isnot individual thing, its all bout playing hard and smart. No Amare has to be our KG, forget about Howard, its a pipe dream.
They also had Kendrick Perkins to protect the rim and Rondo to guard the perimter
yes, instilling a defensive culture is the primary thing you need to do. But the point is that even with Garnett down the culture was there.
If Garnett never went to Boston the defensive culture never exists.
Amar’e will NEVER EVER NOT NEVER EVER be KG on defense. Maybe if he was tutored by McHale when he was drafted from HS, but as it stands it’ll never happen.
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Fair points but you underestimate the role of coaching, look at chicago after or SA
No amare wont be KG, but he has to perform role similar for ous (Knicks), he has to rebound, gourd thair PF and prevent layups, he has the tools to do that.Look at Sa, thaey always play great defense and besides TD thaey dont have great natural defendars (Ginobily and TP can be bad defesivly just watch national teams) and more specifically look at chicago after TT arrival. It stats with coaching, Dantoni has to demand accountabillity and commitment on defensive and. Dont get me wrong, i understand that we dont have the personell to be top five defensive team, but we should crack at least top 15, its a must.
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Also, I think most of us are being patient, other than a VERY vocal minority.
by superturboultra on Feb 26, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
Relax people!
I told you that gutting the team would mean that we would have a new roster and cohesiveness would get lost. Give them time. If the can survive 10 games with a 5-5 record they should be on the same page enough to make a strong run over their last 18. 15-3 or something like that is a possibility once these guys get together.
by Robert Currence on Feb 26, 2011 3:24 PM EST reply actions
We also have a creampuff schedule the last 10-15 games, which is nice
Made glorious summer by this son of [New] York.
by Anthony Randolph's Winter of Discontent on Feb 26, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
Time to catch Atlanta.
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honestly, they should just make sure they stay in the playoffs.
but yeah, its gonna take 10 games or so for this to work.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
yes
Carmelo has an ability to get a shot off. That doesn’t make him one of the best players in the league. Even the article only calls him “one of the more efficient” guys.
I've read enough articles
There are only two positive things said about Carmelo that are based in fact- his teammates in Denver had better stats with him rather than without him. But that could be based on playing with Billups too. The other is that based on PER, which doesn’t take defense into account, he is outperforming his contract this year, but would be average for his contract next year.
look stats are fine, but dont tell the whole story, you neen to look things from coach standpoint
you have to understand the way denver played, they played random basketrball (basically isos for melo) around 60 procent, everything else was well, random. Karl had an extremely laisez faire approach regarding offense, no set plays, no picks, very litlle cuts and so on. What is significance of first article, it tells that eventhough that everybody on this planet knew how denver plays, melo still was effective and was making teammates better- becuase he drew so much attention, boston or lakers were always sliding their big mans to melo slide to help, and other were gibven room. but denvers anemic offense (no motion-no amare) couldnt take advantage of that regular basis, cause denver had no structure, no coherent game plan. Im not sugesting that playing only isos is effective, but precisely the opposite, you need versitility in your game. And my point is that melo can excels in halfcourt offense, because he can execute every play in playbook, picks, post ups, catch and shoot, every thing. And i believe that Dantoni is very smart offensive coach and will use melo in multiple ways, and we can than talk about stats. This is not homerism, but reasoning after watching denver games and seein countles times this pathetic offense, where everybody just stands and watches melo.
BTW. why do you think that lebron is being so effective, cause he is playing isos or picka and roll.
quite the opposite
with Billups just on the court, the nuggets were less efficient in TS%, TO%, and O Rating, here read
http://www.basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1412
"The biggest thing we talked about is Going Forward. Like I said, the Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands at 4:15 on Sunday afternoon. We’ve got to get ready for them. So what we need to do is learn from what happened in the past and Go Forward, starting this morning with our meetings, our walk-throughs and our practice."
-Jason Garrett, November 10th, 2010.
I mean when billups was on the court w/o Melo
"The biggest thing we talked about is Going Forward. Like I said, the Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands at 4:15 on Sunday afternoon. We’ve got to get ready for them. So what we need to do is learn from what happened in the past and Go Forward, starting this morning with our meetings, our walk-throughs and our practice."
-Jason Garrett, November 10th, 2010.
off course, because CB didnt play PG in denver offense, nobody did
That is fundamentally my point, basically was melo playmaker with his isos, wich is insane tactics, because you need playmaking from picks and other set plays. CB will be much better in Dantoni offense and Melo will be beast.
That same article says that the Nuggets offense was better with him off the court
And if you look at the adjusted +/- for the team, it’s clear that Nene is the leader of the team.
http://basketballvalue.com/teamplayers.php?year=2010-2011&team=DEN
Are you referring to this section?
Using plus-minus statistics provides another way of checking Anthony’s impact on the Denver offense. The Nuggets are actually scoring better without Anthony this season, but that is out of line with his plus-minus history (via BasketballValue.com and 82games.com). Prior to this year, Denver’s Offensive Rating was at least 2.0 points better per 100 possessions in every year of Anthony’s career. The average impact in this span was +4.6 points per 100 possessions. Despite the fact that his own efficiency has been middling at times, Anthony has consistently lifted the Nuggets’ offense with his ability to create shots.
The bolding is me. You can’t just look at half of a season. You’re cherry picking.
But yes, by adjusted +/- Nene is the better player.
give them time
they’re in disarray. chauncey has run about one successful pick and roll in 2 games, melo hasn’t figured out to pass to the corner poopers, & as a result the corner poopers are shooting too many from the wing, where they don’t usually set up. the defense will improve, some of the guys brought over will probably start getting some burn. any signings this week will address defense and rebounding. it’ll get better. hopefully by the new orleans game they’ll be in winning form.
It's quite likely that Mike D'Antoni will accomplish something that Don Chaney, Lenny Wilkens, Herb Williams, Larry Brown, and Isiah Thomas couldn't do: Win a playoff game. So, obviously, small ball doesn't work.
Hey D'Antoni gave Balkman some burn why aren't us guys going crazy?
by Robert Currence on Feb 26, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
he was ok out there, too
too bad his minutes will go straight to jeffries. i thought when isiah collected these two that their games were completely redundant, and now here they are again.
It's quite likely that Mike D'Antoni will accomplish something that Don Chaney, Lenny Wilkens, Herb Williams, Larry Brown, and Isiah Thomas couldn't do: Win a playoff game. So, obviously, small ball doesn't work.
Anybody catch the Cleveland feed on League Pass?
I think Austin Carr has some kind of neurological disorder
Speculative half JOKE half serious championship trade proposal
New Orleans new management (whoever it will be) will try to hack the shit out of there payroll….a post CBA Okafor contract is a disaster…..CP3 will be on his way out to the Knicks….
Solution.
Trade Billups for CP3, then whatever other expirings we can get together for Okafor.
cp3
fields will be gone in trade sadly
melo
amare
okafor
IM KIDDING
but am I really?
kidding? No
Nuts? Yes.
That’s basically impossible. Turiaf’s $4 million ain’t gonna help us either.
Also, Is NOLA gonna want to trade us CP3 for Billups, Fields and whoever our first rounder is this year, if they’re any good?
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Cap
It’s not about cap, it’s about expiring contracts.
If we can make expiring contracts match up with Okafor than anything is possible, because Billups already matches CP3.
The league is sick of paying NOLA’s bills, it’s pretty obvious everyone wants this team dismantled.
Now maybe I’m completely wrong, but who can we resign currently on our team to one year deals? Do we have peoples bird rights? Can we sign Azubuike to a one year deal or does he automatically walk after this year? Shawne Williams? I’m confused about our cap situation.
by James Angelo on Feb 27, 2011 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
Actually upon further math
I agree with this. I’ve actually said it all to in a different way in other threads.
Its just gonna be tough. And there’s always the situation that NOLA has a better offer on the table and doesn’t want to give the player what he wants.
Really the most we can offer is Billurps, Turiaf, Fields, 2011 drafted player and whoever else.
Okafor would actually be excellent for us. Tho if we can keep Fields……
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by Rorschach44 on Feb 27, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
CP3
If it’s known that cp3 is on his way to ny in free agency regardless, then removing a 40 million dollar okafor contract from an organization that’s not even worth 40 million dollars is a pretty damn good payout.
by James Angelo on Feb 27, 2011 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
very excited for Azubuike..he's a very good player
but not that excited. It will be a while probably before he’s moving as well as he should be.
Instead of getting angry over a meaningless game
let’s talk about the various issues and complexes afflicting the “Melo is selfish” drones
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
- incorrectly uses advanced stats to evaluate players as individual commodities to be bought and sold and weighed against each other (including their own teammates!), preventing an actual understanding of basketball
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
Yeah I think some people get confused about that
These games aren’t a series of 1 on 1 matchups with various pitchers
by Dutchmarau on Feb 26, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
you're talking to yourself
Watch a game. The whole game, not just the highlights. Then watch some more. Carmelo is not an elite shooter. He is not a team player, he doesn’t play defense, he doesn’t look for other players. He’s not a leader. He’s all ego, a me-first, second, and third player.
you're obviously a giant Melo fan
Since you’ve watched a ton of games and just joined this site to talk about how awesome he is. You’re not thinking critically.
and you're obviously a giant melo hater
not an elite shooter? his midrange game couldn’t be any wetter
fall back dude…..you’ve made your point about hating melo abundantly clear
by spreeballin on Feb 26, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You must have been reading too much from the wrong sources. Everyone on the Olympic team praised him and said he is unselfish. Not a good shooter? He is still shooting at a good percentage this season with all the drama and distractions. Carmelo made the Nuggets relevant and too bad he was never surrounded by real talent except Chauncey who came later.
Watch a game. The whole game, not just the highlights. Then watch some more.
already been done. you’re just doing that thing people have done since the beginning of time where people discriminate against volume scorers until they win and then all of a sudden they’re not “selfish” and “me-first” and they magically develop “heart” and “do anything it takes to win.” so I suppose I’ll just sit back and wait for Melo to win a championship and I can then guaran-fucking-tee you and your cliche-bot 2000 won’t be on the other end of this argument anymore
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
in other words
- incorrectly uses advanced stats to evaluate players as individual commodities to be bought and sold and weighed against each other (including their own teammates!), preventing an actual understanding of basketball
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
So you think stats are worthless?
When not a single statistic shows Carmelo is a superstar except points per game.
It depends how you define superstar,
but I generally agree. Carmelo is not an elite player, but probably in the top 25. His points per game and reputation overrates him.
its your opinion and you have right to it but
he is the most versetile and dominant scorer in the nba, who has still a lot of room to improve
straw man?
and team statistics show that Carmelo is a superstar. the positive effect he has on his teammates is matched by few others.
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
Well
by adjusted 2 year +/- Carmelo is about the 40th best player. But Collison is 7th, Deng 8th, Wright 9th, Varejao 11th, and Dooling 13th. So I don’t know how much that tells you. Carmelo definitely had a large positive affect on his teammates performance though. I don’t know if it’s enough to make him a true “superstar,” but definitely all-star level. I’m excited to see how he changes in MDA’s system with Amare.
please dont look just to stats to determine level of aplyer
EtSuke i have explained alot regarding melo and stats on this post, carmelo is offensive talent whose level is match only by kobe, but he needs work on defensive end. He can ecxecute everything in the playbooh, not just isos, he was built for playoofs
I understand and agree to an extent
I was responding to the Rooster saying the “team statistics show that Carmelo is a superstar.” But I do think we should lean heavily on statistics. The other stuff is just so subjective. Are you saying that he is especially effective in the playoffs, or in crunchtime, or there’s something else the stats can’t grasp? Ideally +/- would catch the intangibles, but there’s a lot of noise in +/-.
read my other post, i tackled precisely this topic or you can read this and you will get the point what im talknig about
BTW: ive watched tons of nuggets games
Link:http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/15495/the-killer-plays-the-nuggets-wont-run
This is only one game but it tells alot
So that he could be a lot better in a different system?
I’ve also read that Karl realized that the pick and roll was really effective for them, but the players just wouldn’t run it.
George Karl dont have structure offensive system, no set plays, picks, etc
He have laiset faire appropach to offensive, which kills creativity and becomes stagnant and anemic. Basically it was iso melo all the time.
Karl seems to have mastered the art of deflecting blame
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
it tells you
how good Durant, Rose, Wade, and LeBron are :p
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
but they play completely different than carmelo, they play mostly pick and rolls
Rember Carmelo was in random basketball, genious construct of Karl
Did you watch the 2008 Olympics?
The entire team and coaching staff said he was the most UNSELFISH player on the team. He was one of TEAM USA’s best defenders and best rebounders. Get your facts straight.
"The biggest thing we talked about is Going Forward. Like I said, the Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands at 4:15 on Sunday afternoon. We’ve got to get ready for them. So what we need to do is learn from what happened in the past and Go Forward, starting this morning with our meetings, our walk-throughs and our practice."
-Jason Garrett, November 10th, 2010.
The Olympics are an example that Melo is capable of playing defense, rebounding, and sharing the ball.
I’m not sure why a snarky comeback was necessary because it makes you look like you didn’t understand his point.
Hey Mindfeck
Get on board with this our team or go to Denver Stiffs and cheer for Gallinari all you want. Seriously, you are being a child right now. Gallinari is not walking through that door no matter how many snarky remarks you make about Melo. We don’t need a divided fanbase. Not at this time, and not a this hour. We need to be Knicks fans regardless. I lost my 2 favorite players of the 1990s, John Starks became Sprewell, I didn’t like it for one or two days, but I got over it. I lost Patrick Ewing for Luc Longley, and Glen Rice. I hated it, but got over it and rooted like hell for the team. I still miss Patrick Ewing, but in my mind he’s a player to be mad about losing, not some Gallinari who will never be as good as Dirk Nowitzki or Andre Bargnani. This team will find another Gallinari. In the mean time, if you hate Melo, root for Fields.
"The biggest thing we talked about is Going Forward. Like I said, the Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands at 4:15 on Sunday afternoon. We’ve got to get ready for them. So what we need to do is learn from what happened in the past and Go Forward, starting this morning with our meetings, our walk-throughs and our practice."
-Jason Garrett, November 10th, 2010.
by Rohpuri on Feb 27, 2011 2:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Gallo is already better than Bargnani
but Bargs is awful
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This team will get better everyone
Mike D needs to figure everyone out, Stat needs to figure everyone out, C&B needs to figure everyone out, Melo needs to figure everyone out.
Cleavland was pumped to win last night. The trade rumors for them are over, and I am sure they were very ready to beat the superstar team, as they were very recently fucked over by a superstar.
Things will take time. I dont know if this team can work. Selling your soul is rarely a good idea.
But Melo isnt just a hired gun. He is a one of us that made it to his team.
lets not all overreact.
Tommy Dee wrote in his pregame post that he has never been so confident the knicks would win that game. That is laughable. The way that the mass of fans have reacted to not only the trade but also the first 2 games makes me wonder about this smart fan label.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
most importantly Knicks fans melo loves new york
This will be huge, cause melo really likes new york, spotlight, pressure, cause he is cold as a mf and he will bring his a game in garden
or is it because...
we’re gonna pay him lots of money, and his wife gets to live where she wants.
a cold blooded scorer… yes
a winner? TBD
by bucketsncents on Feb 26, 2011 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
winner, what do you mean?
he is the player who has the most game winners in the nba, besides kobe.
He's only been out of the 1st round once.
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and in 2009 they were close, pretty damn close, because orlando wolud get crushed in finals
and if denver won championship that year, what would that make of melo- will he suddenly trensform from loser to all time great. This kind of reasoning is to simplistic and doesnt tell the whole story.
of course the same can be said about the 06 suns when they almost got in
but because of robert horry… you know the deal i still felt that it was phoenix’s time to win that year
Victory goes to the courageous!!
but still if it weren't for that robert horry hit
d’antoni would be praised for the genius that he actually is flawed yes but is he a wizard definitely
Victory goes to the courageous!!
i may be wrong about the year though
Victory goes to the courageous!!
i may be wrong about the year though
Victory goes to the courageous!!
Yea I'm just saying. I hope Melo does some damage in the playoffs.
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but little nicpicking
after 2007, boston and la become force to be recognized wit, extremly big and talented teams, competition got a lot tougher. Melo had nene and kmart, both undersized and with major weakneses in their game. regarding suns they were stacked with offensive power, and yes D antoni is offensive wizard (melo will be beast in NY) but defense is issue.
Not the same situation.
In Boston you had 3 older veterans fighting for a ring and sacrificing their stats for a championship. They dedicated their play to defense. I’m not sure the Knicks will dedicate their game to defense. And they don’t have to, but in some situations they need to defend. Maybe not the entire game, but for the last few possessions of a close game you need stops.
Also I think Melo and Amare are willing to sacrifice stats, but need to learn better defense.
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BtW
melo is better player than in 2009, basically he was unstoppable last year against jazz, thats the thing with melo he gets better every year, so some weaknesess from 2007 are not here anymore. For melo this season is only starting because of melodrama BSm his sister and trade, you have to understand that.
regarding boston
dont underestimate the impact of coaching of doc and especially TT, look at bulls-the best defensive team in game. Knicks are starting fresh, they have great oppurtunity to establish defensive culture, it all starts with coaching.
Well Melo doesn't get better every year.
Statistically speaking 2007-2008 was his best season or his most efficient year. While in 2008-2009 he dipped a bit in scoring, and efficiency. He’s a great player I just hope he learns defense.
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i meant
that melo polishes and improves his basketball skills, he has become better passer, better reading of the game, better post game, better defense, he has become better three point shooter and he is almost automatic from midrange,
Okay I understand that.
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Eh I'm a stats guy.
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i understand that, and stats are usefull, but dont tell the whole story
main problem is that karl used melo only in isos, which are from individual stats point inefficient plays, but can be efficient for a team as a whole (i have great article regarding melo efficiency in isos). you wanna know what is main reason why melo was the most efficient in 2007. Its funny thing and it just shows how statistics can be deceptive, because melo started to play less of isolation after the iverson trade (ai dominated the ball), but team lost more games than usual and was generally terrible.
melo can be statistical beast
melo can become deadly efficient and put up big number if dantoni starts to use him multiple ways, not just isos. Basically every play in playbook (picks, backdoors, post ups, every thing), he will put up huge numbers plus his reboundig has become very good (not yeet great), but his fundamental rebounding skills are great.
Rebounding
I’d say it is great now, because he’s leading NBA in rebounding for SF’s
by James Angelo on Feb 27, 2011 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
WE NEED
A CENTER…..
IT WILL SOLVE SO MANY PROBLEMS…..THAT WE CONTINUOUSLY ARGUE ABOUT EVERY NIGHT ONE HERE…..PRE TRADE AND AFTER
I never felt Marc Gasol was worth wasting our remaining cap on.
So I’m still GLAD about the trade.
But not we are getting closer to a complete team, It’s glaringly obvious we need a center now, whether its next years free agency or via trade or via pickup (Earl).
Chill the hell out, get away from the ledge, the Knicks are gonna be alright
by James Angelo on Feb 27, 2011 1:01 AM EST up reply actions
Statistically Melo is one of the 10 best players in the NBA
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Yea he is.
I’d say
1. LeBron
2. Paul
3. Durant
4. Wade
5. Howard
6. Melo
7. Kobe
8. Dirk
9. Amar’e
10. Deron or Rose
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TS% and eFG%, when his teammates are considered
Players benefit from playing with Carmelo Anthony. His presence is like a real-life +2 overall rating bump in 2K11 for anyone who plays with him.
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Than why's your name Jeterian
cause you realize that advanced stats say that after last year the dude should be gone.
- Diehard Yankee Fan
by James Angelo on Feb 27, 2011 12:58 AM EST up reply actions
Because I like Jeter.
And No he shouldn’t be gone because his sucking is better than any scrub we’ll get off the street.
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yeah but
who what talent was he surrounded with? Chauncey didn’t come til later. If he had Chauncey on his team earlier, he would have been pass the first round many times. Kobe, after Shaq left, still had better players with him yhet couldn’t win for years. They had to get Pau and others to finally make it back to the finals.
Jeterian he played in a stacked Western Conference
The Spurs have won 4 NBA Titles since 1999, and have been in the playoffs every year since 1998. The Lakers have won 5 titles since 2000, and have only missed the playoffs once in that same stretch. The Spurs and Lakers have been to 6 NBA Finals in Melo’s 7 seasons in Denver. The only other team to reach the NBA Finals in that stretch was Dallas in 2006. Dallas btw, hasn’t missed a post season since 2001.
Moreover, the knock on Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen when they were traded to Boston was that they couldn’t consistently lead their teams out of the first round of the playoffs, or that Paul Pierce was a selfish player who only got Boston into the playoffs in a crappy Eastern Conference either 2 or 3 times before they became a super team.
On the other hand, since being drafted, Melo’s led his Nuggets to the playoffs every single season. LeBron btw, in a much shitty Eastern Conference missed the playoffs his first two seasons.
"The biggest thing we talked about is Going Forward. Like I said, the Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands at 4:15 on Sunday afternoon. We’ve got to get ready for them. So what we need to do is learn from what happened in the past and Go Forward, starting this morning with our meetings, our walk-throughs and our practice."
-Jason Garrett, November 10th, 2010.
by Rohpuri on Feb 27, 2011 3:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
this
I definitely overreacted during the game, and immediately afterwards, but the worst the knicks will play is last night. got to be patient. hey, at least we don’t have al harrington.
but i’d be lying if i said i wasn’t worried.
by robotoverlord on Feb 26, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
Man,
I can’t believe they couldn’t trade for a single big man. I mean, I would have take Nazr Muhammed or someone boring, not that great player like that. They are just getting killed on the boards.
Not the Cuse.
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Our star player is a Cuse alum.
And so is Melo.
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by Jeterian 2 on Feb 26, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Speaking of college
What are the chances we draft a hometown hero from St. John’s?
Landry Fields for ROY
A Johnnies fan?
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Haha yes
I was just kiddin’ by the way about Cuse. They have a good chance to make sweet sixteen if you ask me
Landry Fields for ROY
I really can't say I hate St. Johns.
I mean I like what they’re doing this year. My real hate goes to Nova, UCONN, G’Town, and Pitt.
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Nova is beatable, UConn is falling, G'town is not scary at all, but Pitt....ugh
But I believe my Johnnies can do it
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Cuse vs. Johnnies Big East Finals?
I hope there is another 100 million OT game vs. UCONN.
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we'll either go all the way in the Big East tourney
or go deep into the NCAA tourney. we never do both at once.
(referring to PITT)
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Oh and I hope so.
Last season was a bit disappointing losing to Butler. We could of beaten Duke.
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Butler's run was a once in a few years sort of thing
Cuse could have beat Duke, yes
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Agree with a lot of what Seth had to say.
We need to have some patience as this team figures out their new identity. Plus, it might also be a good idea to manage expectations. This team isn’t going to contend for a title this year. They’ll be fun, but starting next year is when this team will look to make its move in the east.
d willl has to love playing in front of a 1/2 empty stadium
CARMELO INTRO! : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdR87JWXlbs
Take it to the Nets hater forum
I hope they get real good real fast, and then I hope we’re even better. There have only been a couple of seasons when the Nets and Knicks were both good, and it was a fun rivalry.
That said, I hope Prokhy gets a wicked burn from the wrong set of 12 blond sex workers.
by superturboultra on Feb 26, 2011 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
Bottom line: If you are so unhappy with this trade and are going to dish shit constantly especially after 2 games go support the Knuggets but don't come back when Melo is averaging 35 in MDA's system
This is our team these are our guys – I root for the Laundry
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Dear FOX...
Fire Aikman and replace him with Strahan please
Bunga Bunga Party anyone???
NO Oline in the first!!!!!!!!!
Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo!!!!!!
I wrote this sig. So if Chris Broussard says he did. he's lying. infact if Chris Broussard says he wrote any store he's lying
by 56THE REAL LT on Feb 26, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
And that sums my thoughts up perfectly.
The Triple Felt Goose movement shall live as long as I am around.
by JerzeeBalla on Feb 27, 2011 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
Well said sir
"The biggest thing we talked about is Going Forward. Like I said, the Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands at 4:15 on Sunday afternoon. We’ve got to get ready for them. So what we need to do is learn from what happened in the past and Go Forward, starting this morning with our meetings, our walk-throughs and our practice."
-Jason Garrett, November 10th, 2010.
a person that can just switch teams so easily
was never a real fan. As painful as our recent years been, I cursed and got heated but never could like another team because it’s from the heart. Cna’t change it. Me and Knicks were meant to be and I can’t switch like fake fans who just jump from team to team. There isn’t another team in any other sport I love like the Knicks. I may root for a team if they’re playing someone i really hate but nobody even comes close to the kNICKS.
by RASHADI on Feb 27, 2011 2:42 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
When I first read this thread I was amazed at how many negative Melo comments I saw, especially when all of New York city has been energized by this move, but re-reading it you can see it’s all from the same two or three posters. Once again, if you make a trade and the best two players in the deal came to you, you’ve made an absolute steal. They gave up some quality in this deal, but the quality is going to become expensive in the next couple of years, and the Knicks would have probably had to part with them anyway. They made that decision correctly after last season with David Lee, and Golden State is kicking themselves right now for that huge cap smashing deal they gave him. The Knicks would have been forced to make that same decision with Chandler and then Gallo, and neither one of them is David Lee.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on Feb 27, 2011 10:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
another rec
Dear FOX...
Fire Aikman and replace him with Strahan please
Bunga Bunga Party anyone???
NO Oline in the first!!!!!!!!!
Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo!!!!!!
I wrote this sig. So if Chris Broussard says he did. he's lying. infact if Chris Broussard says he wrote any store he's lying
by 56THE REAL LT on Feb 27, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Once a Knicks fan always a Knicks fan
Players come and go via free agency or trade. I liked Felton, sad to see him go, but damn, Chauncey is upgrade over him, and I’ve always liked watching Chauncey as long as it wasn’t against the Knicks. Im happy to have him. I liked Wilson Chandler in college, and liked the fact he was getting better, but once the writing became clear he wasn’t coming back after this season, I accepted it and enjoyed whatever time he was still here. As far as Gallinari is concerned, I went ape shit when we drafted him because it smelled of Nepotism when we took him, I had to grow to like him, I can never say I loved him as a Knick. Did he have his moments? Yes, but he also had his limitations, mainly being consistent, far too many times he’d get lost, and rebounding was never good. Not trying to kick a guy whose left, I’m just stating my reasons for getting over this trade as quickly as I have. Plus we did get Carmelo Anthony. I’m not going to throw this team under the bus after two games longing for guys who aren’t on this team any more. Losing John Starks for Latrell Sprewell, and watching Ewing go, while it still stings Ewing never finished his career in NY, taught me the lesson of rooting for the Knicks and not the names on the back of the jersey. I still root for the names when they are Knicks, but when they are gone, I keep rooting for the Knicks. The one constant is the Knicks and Madison Square Garden.
"The biggest thing we talked about is Going Forward. Like I said, the Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands at 4:15 on Sunday afternoon. We’ve got to get ready for them. So what we need to do is learn from what happened in the past and Go Forward, starting this morning with our meetings, our walk-throughs and our practice."
-Jason Garrett, November 10th, 2010.
by Rohpuri on Feb 27, 2011 3:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm a fan...
and somewhat disagree with this. I’ll always be a Knick fan and will admit to not liking the trade. I’ll also say I wouldn’t be happier to be wrong. Yep, I’ll support the Knuggets and hope they do well.
I wouldn’t say I’ve “dished shit”, I’m just voicing my concerns… which should be allowed I’d think. I’ll be thrilled if Melo averages 35… but I’ll be infinitely more thrilled if we win and win often no matter WHAT Melo averages.
+1
Fuck a high horse.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Feb 27, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
I think you can certainly be against the trade, and make a strong argument that we gave up too much, (although personally I don’t agree and think the correct argument could be that we gave up more than we had to) and posters like Rorshach have done an effective job of that, but when you start reading posts that basically say that Carmelo Anthony sucks, (and I won’t mention mindfeck by name here, although mindfeck knows I’m talking about mindfeck) than it’s kind of hard to give the argument any credibility at all.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on Feb 27, 2011 3:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
THAT
I’ll agree with. I’ve got nuthin’ against Melo, with my view of him being an outstanding scorer with other areas that may need work. His ability to create his own shot will most definitely help us in the playoffs when defenses really tighten up. I just hope our own defense can do the same.
And I’m not exactly sure who you were talkin’ about that was sayin’ Melo sux… could you clarify for me? ;-)
u got it
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
The melo averaging 35 may have been a bad turn of phrase
I meant to insinuate us being successful
P&T - Screw D-Will we got She-Will
Miami Heat, that's nothin' Carmelo with the shot and Stat Dunkin'
I didn’t ask, I just told Billy Walker to switch off. I told him I’ll get [James] the last seven, seven and a half minutes or so. I just wanted to take that challenge, and it helped us out - Carmelo Anthony
thank you.
"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
- Maybe I was imagining things, but I’m pretty sure the MSG broadcast caught Dick Bavetta screaming at a mop boy to get off his lawn the court while somebody was inbounding.
I caught that too. I was waiting for a player to slip and fall, sparking a revolt against Bavetta, numerous criminal/civil suits, and the development of “Mopgate” into a national scandal. Glad that didn’t happen.
"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas
Disappointed
Can’t wait for tomorrow though
Darrelle Revis once won a game of Connect Four in three moves.
GO NEW YORK
GO NEW YORK
GO
BEAT THE HEAT
I love the Knicks. They beat the Heat and lost to the Cavs. TWICE.
by WaveOcean on Feb 27, 2011 1:24 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
i do not like the second part of your sig sir
Dear FOX...
Fire Aikman and replace him with Strahan please
Bunga Bunga Party anyone???
NO Oline in the first!!!!!!!!!
Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo! Stat and Melo!!!!!!
I wrote this sig. So if Chris Broussard says he did. he's lying. infact if Chris Broussard says he wrote any store he's lying
by 56THE REAL LT on Feb 27, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
This thread was really...argue-y.
"It was one of those good, deep sleeps; you know, the ones where you wake up and a stream of drool is steadily racing down your shirt? Yes, that kind of sleep." -Landry Fields
by Thelonious Dunk on Feb 27, 2011 1:25 AM EST reply actions
pretty much was man...
Victory goes to the courageous!!
can't we just agree to disagree?
Victory goes to the courageous!!
Anyone else
have that “coming home” song stuck in their head?
Darrelle Revis once won a game of Connect Four in three moves.
Landry defense
Can Landry defend opposing Sg (especially Wade), this is crucial
No one in the league can defend Wade
Just like Lebron, Kobe, Carmelo and Durant the only ones that can defend these guys are themselves. Amar’e is sort of in that category as well.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Feb 27, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
How about giving Brewer a shot?
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on Feb 27, 2011 11:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
he won't.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Feb 27, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
It's a tough matchup for Landry. Wade's a lot quicker.
Thankfully Wade is prone to taking some pretty horrendous shots.
He nails'em though.
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"Feet on the ground eyes to the sky" - Landry Fields said this to me
in principle it is true, but wades damage can be minimized if you stay in front of him and defend pick and roll
BTW: afflalo did great job on kobe and wade, and durant can be guarded (melo can do great job on him)
I wonder how many guys in the NBA can guard Durant.
You’d have to be both big enough that he can’t shoot over you easily and quick enough to stay in front of him.
1. Melo
2. Lebron
Then there’s guys that have had good defensive games vs. Durant
3. Ariza
4. Battier
Well there are others, AI, Gay, Artest, Granger, etc. but you have to remember Durant doesnt play a lot of isos, he basically plays catch and shooth game around screens and gets quite few fast break points with Russel running the show.
by BubbaChuck on Feb 27, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I was happy to see Balkman get in and contribute
Hopefully he can earn a rotation spot (and possibly Sheldon too).
Am I the only one who thought how sick it would be to have Daniel Gibson as our guard off the bench?
Idk why (prob cuz he’s a shooting combo guard) but he seems like the perfect guard off the bench for this team.
Beat the Heat
Ha,ha i was waiting long time for showdown Melo vs Lebron on regular basis,
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