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Mavericks 113, Knicks 97: "We can haz rebounds?"

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That wasn't especially fun. The Knicks played a couple stretches of excellent basketball tonight against the Mavericks, but they were few and far between. After a big run in the first quarter, the Knicks gradually crumbled under the weight of the Mavericks' precision from outside and dominance on the glass (see bjk1903's comment above). Dallas pulled ahead by double digits in the third quarter and never really looked back.

Danilo Gallinari (27 points) put together another splendid offensive game for New York, but Amar'e Stoudemire had an empty second half after a 21-point first, and no other Knick but Toney Douglas (22 points) offered much help.

Take the jump for some notes on how the Knicks fell.

Star-divide

- Rarely does a game this dreadful featured a run this excellent. Mike D'Antoni called a timeout with 7:28 remaining in the first quarter and his Knicks down 17-8. Following that break, the Knicks got rowdy and finished the period up seven courtesy of a 26-10 run. The recipe was simple: "Ladle liberal portions of Danilo Gallinari over painted area. Season to taste." Gallo took the keys and went for a spin, scoring 11 points on the following basketball actions:

1. A diagonal dribble drive past Brian Cardinal for an elastic two-hand jam (which is becoming a first quarterly tradition, no?)

2. A leftward drive into open space culminating in a slick lay-up in transition plus the foul from Tyson Chandler.

3. A coast-to-coast ankle break shake with a lefty finish at Cardinal's expense.

4. Two free throws after a shooting foul.

5. A lefty drive and finish despite some heavy (but legal) contact.

Amar'e Stoudemire J'd all the while and Timofey Mozgov responded to a warm ovation with good boxing out, solid defense individually and as a helper, and a very sporty alley-oop from Raymond Felton. The Mavs, previously 7-8 from the field, went 4-15 following the world's most effective timeout.

- That momentum was promptly lost by the second unit. Toney Douglas and company simply couldn't orchestrate an open shot, and the Mavs torched the Knicks' lead with 10 straight points. It was all downhill from there, really. Gallo kept making basketball things happen, but just didn't get enough usage in the game's second half. Oddly enough, neither did Amar'e. He took and missed just five shots, all in the third quarter, including a couple jumpers, a couple runners, and one dunk-up (the dreaded dunk-layup hybrid creature that feeds on unfriendly bounces).

- No other Knick could shoulder the burden once Amar'e and Gallo faded. A three-point barrage would've been just the ticket, but only Toney Douglas (3-6 from downtown en route to 22 points) had any semblance of success from outside. Not Felton (1-4), not Fields (0-4), not Walker (0-1) nor Shawne (0-1) could cook soup from deep. Mozgov got pushy and deliberate and showed very little of the tender touch and timing we saw against Detroit (nothing awful or worthy of a re-benching, just a predictable spell of overexcitement).

- Dirk Nowitzki (who KnickChick, one of our few and prized Toastettes, deemed a "beautiful assassin") kept cookin' soup even after a bit of a bump to his injured wheel (29 points on 16 shots), and the rest of the 'Ricks hit most of their jumpers and rebounded the rest. What makes a 54-34 glass margin even grislier is that Dallas is among the league's worst rebounding clubs, at 22nd in rebound rate and 29th in offensive rebound rate. New York continues to suffer on the glass, which gets folks wondering if Donnie Walsh should just dump a sack of bricks into the deadline trade pool and see who comes up with them. Somebody is needed to chase down misses. The bigs who stay on the floor can't seem to rebound and the bigs who rebound can't seem to stay on the floor. While Stoudemire fails to box out, Extra E cannot keep his hands to himself and the "United Nations" duo of Mozgov and Ronny Turiaf isn't impressing D'Antoni enough to earn minutes. If the Knicks didn't have utility glass-minders like Landry Fields (and Williams) on the squad, they'd get lapped nightly on the boards.

- Clyde during and after a deep Nowitzki three: "whhhhoooooOOOOAAHHH!".

- The Felton thing is tough. My instinct is to fault the penguinman for continuing to pull, not pass, while his dishing numbers (9 assists, no turnovers tonight) consistently outperform his shooting stats. One could make the case, though, that Raymond's jumper was the keystone of New York's mid-December brilliance, and that he ought to just shoot himself back into threat status. At this point, I'm tending to lean toward my instincts. Felton needn't match Danilo shot for shot. Not now. 

- What isn't helping matters on the point guard front is the degree to which Felton and Douglas are getting burnt out on the defensive end. Opponents have learned to stay running against those two and Fields, blazing through screen after screen with the knowledge that our guys will lose steam after the second or third hip-check. J.J. Barea was the latest roadrunner to beat the Knicks on the move, scoring 22 off the bench in a flurry of rapid drives and open jumpers. Neither Toney nor Ray had a snowball's chance in hell of catching "Ba-rare"*.

- *-Walt Frazier, obviously.

- Hey, this was the most active I've ever seen Bill Walker as a ball-chaser. He caught my attention with a diving save and a neat little tip-in in the first half. I'm not sure why that little spurt of activity got me so jazzed. It might be that Bill sets kind of a low bar in that department. Either way, nicely done, Bully!

- Answer: This Maverick forward would be the most hipsterest possible choice for favorite Knick of all time. Question: Who is Brian Cardinal?

- I promised my company that I'd mention how excellent Milano cookies are in my recap, so...here we are. Ain't nothing like 'em.

- Halftime: Jill Martin interviews Chris Rock for her "Gimme a Minute" segment. I like the way Mr. Rock says "Snooki". So does he.

- Fields was probably a tad overindulgent, but he also caught some bad breaks, including an unprecedented THREE three-pointers that toilet-bowled around the rim and out in the second and third quarters.

- Only at MSG: Henrik Lundqvist of the Rangers was seen chatting courtside with Justin Bieber, presumably about haircuts. Bieber also got plenty of attention from the tween gurlz in the audience, at least one of whom was later seen in utter hysterics over her run-in with the li'l featherhead.

- The Knicks did pull off a nifty li'l 13-0 run in the third quarter. The gullible among us (myself included) got excited, but it was a mere hiccup in the Dallas domination.

- Good news: Andy Rautins and Anthony Randolph got to play! Underwhelming news: Randolph hit a three, Rautins poked away a dribble or two...and that's it.

That's really it. With Amar'e and Gallo losing touches and buckets in the second half, the Knicks really felt the absence of Wilson Chandler. Hopefully he'll be healthy and ready to go for this weekend's MONUMENTAL home-and-home with the Sixers. Philly crept within three games of the Knicks upon beating the Nets and could stage a coup on the sixth seed if New York doesn't pull it together. For now, it's time for me to do some sleeping.

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Normally I like the coach, but his slow reaction to Dallas coming out three guards to start the third quarter probably cost his team the game. That being said, how is a team with three guards still killing you on the boards? No wonder Walsh says he’s still looking for a center!

Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???

by rxmeister on Feb 3, 2011 8:27 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Really bad game

not a b/c of the loss, but they play badly. Ball movement, and too much one on five. It wasn’t a D’Antoni style for sure. Felton played a bad game. This game Knicks sure missed Chandler.

In Walsh I trust

by newknicks.com on Feb 3, 2011 10:06 AM EST reply actions  

not just the glass

Knicks sure can use this D and his scoring too. Goo.. Chandler, we need you back.

In Walsh I trust

by newknicks.com on Feb 3, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't see why D'Antoni can't just grab Anthony Randolph and say,

“I want you to go in there and get every rebound. Don’t do anything else. Don’t worry about dribbling, shooting, or passing. Just grab every rebound in the game and then let our guards come and take the ball from you.”

Seriously, D’Antoni stubborness to not play our only rebounders is frustrating me (No, I am not saying “Fire D’Antoni.” I’m just upset with him. It’s temporary).

They will be for!

by StarksMiddleFinger on Feb 3, 2011 10:16 AM EST reply actions  

because monoskilled players =/= good players

"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas

by The Rooster on Feb 3, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I know. I'm not saying Randolph is going to start playing perfect basketball.

But when we are blatantly being murdered in one aspect of the game, and that one aspect is pretty much the reason behind every loss, you have to consider putting in a mono-skilled player that excels at that one aspect.

They will be for!

by StarksMiddleFinger on Feb 3, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

and that one aspect is pretty much the reason behind every loss

We both know that’s not true. You can go on and say the cause for the countless rebound opportunities was our inability to hit shots, and that we wouldn’t have given up offensive rebounds if we had defended better.

Isolating one statistic without any contextual consideration just leads you to misunderstand things. The idea that one can say “We need more rebounds? Put in a rebounder” is simply illogical. No, it’s not simple, because simplicity is the result of logic itself.

"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas

by The Rooster on Feb 3, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

In the case of Randolph, it's unknown whether he'd do much better in his various individual matchups

I’d also guess that he’s not great at reading the shooter and going to the correct space, nor is he great at actually boxing out. Even marginal improvements in all those areas, however, would likely not make up for the collective decrease in production in other areas brought on by his presence.

"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas

by The Rooster on Feb 3, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I gotta agree with Starks on this one

I know you can’t say we need a certain skill and then put that mono-skilled player into the game and expect differences, but I think it would have helped last night.

We got crushed on the boards. I partially blame Stat for that. I know sometimes he’s out of position, playing undersized etc, but he’s 6’10", has incredible leaping skill, and is very strong. He’s had a lot of crappy rebounding performances lately and needs to step it up. The last three games he’s had: 5, 6 and 3 rebounds. That’s just unacceptable.

In terms of AR, I think he could have made a difference by simply just rebounding. Maybe even put him on Dirk a little to see if his length would bother him on the fade-aways. Likewise, on offense, the Knicks didn;t have too much trouble scoring in the paint or on drives, particularly Gallo and TD did well in that aspect. AR might’ve been able to get a few easy baskets on backdoors or by somebody breaking down the D and handing it off to him

by WSD on Feb 3, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

First of all you're atomizing absolutely everything

Second of all, you’re ignoring every minute of AR’s playing time thus far and projecting upon him an image of what you want him to be. Odds are, had he played last night, he would have sucked. It’s worthless to imagine AR post-realization of potential, or AR with the capacity to focus on certain tasks (including those which he has struggled with) and perform those capably. If that player existed he’d have no trouble getting in the rotation

Your post contains a lot of pie-in-the-sky hopefulness, and believe me, I wish I could agree with you. Unfortunately it also boils down to “low REBs = put in a rebounder” and if any head coach thought like that for a second, he’d instantly be toast in the NBA.

"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas

by The Rooster on Feb 3, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

So what's your solution?

How are we possibly going to improve our horrendous rebounding? You shoot down every possible solution that might conceivably lower the team’s eFG%, but honestly… if the only way for us to win is to shoot so well that there aren’t many rebounds to get… then we’re not going to win very much over the long haul. Anthony Randolph has plenty of issues, but he is a rebounding prodigy by pretty much any metric you choose, and he has been since the moment he entered the league.

Made glorious summer by this son of [New] York.

by Anthony Randolph's Winter of Discontent on Feb 3, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Become offensively efficient by finding a reliable second scorer, whoever that may be

Doesn’t even have to be you-know-who. Just someone who can allow Felton (and Amare, to a lesser extent) to not force so much offense. Be more aggressive on defense, since the second scorer gives Amare (and everyone else) more leeway as far as committing fouls goes. If we find a center who is not Mozgov and can play in our offense, then by all means do it.

I love Randolph and want him to succeed, but come on. Stromile Swift was a rebounding prodigy, too. Unfortunately rebounding numbers compiled on the 2008-10 Warriors mean next to nothing.

"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas

by The Rooster on Feb 3, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Through their first 3 seasons

Anthony Randolph: 11.1 reb/36, TRB% of 17
Stromile Swift: 8.6 reb/36, TRB% of 13.5

Yeah… it’s really not even close.

But anyway. You didn’t mention anything about improving our rebounding, just how we need to diversify our offense and add another go-to scorer. Are you saying that by adding more scoring we’ll create room on the floor for a rebounding specialist?

Made glorious summer by this son of [New] York.

by Anthony Randolph's Winter of Discontent on Feb 3, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that

offensive efficiency and greater defensive pressure lead to less rebounding opportunities for the opposing team.

I wasn’t comparing Randolph to Swift, dude

"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas

by The Rooster on Feb 3, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I mean, you said
I love Randolph and want him to succeed, but come on. Stromile Swift was a rebounding prodigy, too.

What was I supposed to take from that?

Anyway, my basic point is that it’s not really enough to limit rebounding opportunities for the opposing team. We need to have guys out on the floor who are actually good rebounders, because there are going to be rebounds to be had no matter how efficiently we score or pressure the ball, and if the other team is getting the vast majority of them, it’s a problem.

Made glorious summer by this son of [New] York.

by Anthony Randolph's Winter of Discontent on Feb 3, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah man I get what he was saying

He was saying Stromile Swift was supposed to be a rebounding prodigy as well, but still turned out to be a crappy player.

Look, AR’s had nearly a full season of practice time under his belt. To me, it’s come to the point where the dude needs actual game time. He’s not like Mozzy where he’s missing point blank range shots, fumbling the ball, etc. AR looked halfway decent the other night, and I think if he got more than 10 minutes, and got a few easy buckets the right way, it might show him how he should play in this offense.

Nobody was expecting E to play the way he has. When he was thrown in, it was because MDA was desperate and needed to try something. I’d say the Knicks were in a pretty desperate situation last night, so throwing AR into the game might have been worth the risk

by WSD on Feb 3, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

My objection to the Stromile Swift comparison

is just that AR has proven in over 2000 minutes of NBA game action that he is a tremendous rebounder. For all of his issues, the fact that he’s a glass-cleaning machine is not really up for debate. Stromile Swift, on the other hand, was supposed to be this beast but he turned to be a meh rebounder and the numbers show it.

I 100% agree though that AR needs more burn. He is by far our best rebounder, which is the team’s weakest point. He also can’t possibly be as inept offensively as he looked in limited minutes earlier this year. In Golden State he scored as efficiently as pre-this-season Wilson Chandler… in other words, not great, but not awful either.

Made glorious summer by this son of [New] York.

by Anthony Randolph's Winter of Discontent on Feb 3, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Rebounding numbers actually mean alot on the '08-10 Warriors

They were one of the worst defensive teams ever. The fact that his rebounding statistics are impressive in almost every metric show that he was boarding pretty well for a team that gave up a good chunk of points.

More simply: despite the fact the Warriors let the ball go through the hoop quite often, AR was still grabbing rebounds.

by WSD on Feb 3, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

There were still more rebounds to grab, both defensive and offensive

Also consider that opponents probably weren’t going 100% on the glass against the Warriors.

"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas

by The Rooster on Feb 4, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

It should be some sort of fun game for him.

“Anthony! I know you love to shoot, but we need some rebounds out there!”
“….”
“How about every time you grab two rebounds, you get to take a shot! Sound fair?”
“…okay.”

"It was one of those good, deep sleeps; you know, the ones where you wake up and a stream of drool is steadily racing down your shirt? Yes, that kind of sleep." -Landry Fields

by Thelonious Dunk on Feb 3, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's a novel idea

BOX THE F**K OUT!

When you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose, it's how drunk you get.

by Mase in Your Face! on Feb 3, 2011 10:22 AM EST reply actions  

And grab rebounds.

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by Gelatin on Feb 3, 2011 10:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

yea

if one bad thing can be said about amare, it’s that he does not box out. He ball watches as the shot is in the air.

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Feb 3, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

95% of NBA players these days do the same

When you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose, it's how drunk you get.

by Mase in Your Face! on Feb 3, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Boxing out leaves you in bad position on the break

It’s often practical to not box out.

"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas

by The Rooster on Feb 3, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Fuck the break if it means getting crushed on boards

You can’t even argue that it’s better to get a fast break than to box out. I know most players don’t do this and it can have benefits, but it’s basketball 101. Boxing out is extremely important

by WSD on Feb 3, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

actually, you can.

the great coaches advocate it to certain extents, depending on situation/personnel. watch the Lakers, Spurs, or Jazz sometime

"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas

by The Rooster on Feb 3, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

The Lakers have the length to just reach over/ around anyone for a board

I don’t know about the Spurs or Jazz, but Pop and Jerry Sloan are both fundamentalist guys. They both make adjustments if needed, but they’re pretty old school and I doubt that they wouldn’t get on their players for not boxing out if they were out-rebounded by 20+

by WSD on Feb 3, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

fuck the break is right

We have the talent to score in a half-court set anyway.

When you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose, it's how drunk you get.

by Mase in Your Face! on Feb 3, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for agreeing

But we don’t really. We struggle pretty mightily in the half-court. Though it does help when Felton’s jumper is falling because it opens the floor for Amare to do his thing, and Gallo, Will, Fields, Walker, E, etc to shoot or slash

by WSD on Feb 3, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

show me a team that boxes out well

and i’ll show you a team that does NOT ever get CRUSHED on the boards

When you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose, it's how drunk you get.

by Mase in Your Face! on Feb 3, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

your dead on wsd

find your man, body your man. do not in any case let him get around you. that’s what made mase and oak so great, they weren’t the tallest players in the league, but they were like tree stumps to a car – you run right into them and you will get damaged, and will have a hard time getting around them.

you can’t leak out on a break every possession. once Antoni learns this, and puts this into practice, the numbers will improve.

Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-

by wilddre22 on Feb 3, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't put it on D'Antoni

These guys are all professional basketball players, they should know if they are being beaten on the boards that they need to box out more. If it’s a long rebound, or if you need points quickly, i can understand leaking out on the break. It can be very effective. I’m just saying given the situation last night, they need to box out

by WSD on Feb 3, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

well i'm from the school of box out

and also from the thought process of a coach pounding something into your head until you got it right. but your also right, it starts with the players themselves, and from the top dawg. and the top dog(STAT) has never been known to get possessed by the ghost of dennis rodman.

i do think however, if the Mozgod can work himself into heavy rotation, having a 7’1 guy on the floor 20+ minutes a night will certainly help our rebounding numbers.

Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-

by wilddre22 on Feb 3, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

"the dreaded dunk-layup hybrid creature that feeds on unfriendly bounces"

amazeballs. reading this recap piece-meal stylez to get me through the day.

by KnickChick on Feb 3, 2011 11:09 AM EST reply actions  

its the truth

Have to play defense to win a championship

by Airfeet on Feb 3, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

ugh. we play defense

We lack rebounding. 2nd chance points is what kills this team. And the abuse of using “switching” on defense. too many mismatches. And to add to the msg coverage on Dantoni where he was preaching defense. He was mic’d up this game..and on in cut-in..he was beating the horse:

 “we gotta play better D, tempo, effort, we have to play better D, let’s go”

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Feb 3, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

no we don't

we don’t play defense. How many uncontested shots can you see in a game, easy layups etc. The D’antoni system clearly focuses on offense and outscoring the opponent. I am pretty sure the biggest reason AR doesn’t play is because he can’t shoot or pass. The guy played 9 minutes 2 games ago and had 5 or 6 rebounds.

by Airfeet on Feb 3, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

We don't give up that many uncontested shots, actually

at least no more than the average #6 seed in the East

"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas

by The Rooster on Feb 3, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

No, we play defense

It’s just a hyper-aggressive, gambling style of defense. When it works, we force a ton of turnovers. When it doesn’t, we give up a ton of open looks.

Made glorious summer by this son of [New] York.

by Anthony Randolph's Winter of Discontent on Feb 3, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

yea we do tend to overswitch

Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-

by wilddre22 on Feb 3, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Michael Kay is expecting your call

"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas

by The Rooster on Feb 3, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Coaching is the last of the Knicks problems....

and i wouldn’t even say its a problem.

If I can make it there, I'll make it anywhere...It's up to you, New York, New York!!!!

by MrWilliams on Feb 3, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe this has been posted

it’s moderately funny, though i was expecting it to be better. apparently, we have a team full of would-be lions

(note Billy Walker’s explanation of what he likes about lions in particular)

http://knicksnow.com/posts/728-if-you-were-an-animal

by spreeballin on Feb 3, 2011 11:55 AM EST reply actions  

I've always like Barea

But he never gets much respect around the league. But he’s a tough little dude and decent too

by WSD on Feb 3, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm for it

i thought we should’ve went heavier after Ramon Sessions too, at least for depth.

Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-

by wilddre22 on Feb 3, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

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