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Let's Keep Talkin' about the All-Stars - Western Conference

Yo, this is a little change of pace.  Knick News will pick up in about 2 weeks when the deadline is about to pass and I think we could all use a small breather from all the Knick chatter and such.  What better way to get something goin than to yap on about the All-Star selections?!  I done did the Eastern Conference this morning, but there is a Tumbeast of a monster across the Miss'ippi that we shall call the Western Conference.  The fans (and Asia) picked the starters and the all-star coaches chose the reserves.  How did they do?  Let's throw this cherry bomb in the toilet, teenagers.

Star-divide

Good God there are a lot of All-Star worthy players in the West.  Why do we even need the East?  Just keep the starters and have the reserves chosen from the West's garbage pile. Did anyone get lost in the shuffle? You bet your candy ass they did!

I pointed out in my Eastern Conference Post about how the All-Stars are selected and some thoughts about how I feel on that process.  No need to repeat that here, though it really applies more to the Western Conference selections.  But let's jump right into the analysis, shall we?

WEST Starters

G- Chris Paul|16.6ppg, 9.6ast, 4.0reb, 2.57stl, .487fg%, .453 3pt%, .904ft%

G- Kobe Bryant|25.4ppg, 5.1reb, 5.0ast, 1.26stl, .462fg%, .824ft%

F- Kevin Durant|29.3ppg, 6.8reb, 2.8ast, 1.14stl, .94blk, .472fg%, .350 3pt%, .884ft%

F- Carmelo Anthony|23.8ppg, 7.8reb, 3.0ast, .88stl, .434fg%, .815ft%

C- Yao Ming**|injured

 

Thoughts:  Ok, so China is obviously utilizing the shit out of the online voting.  I figure at the least, they could vote for Yi Yianlian since he is actually playing!  Obviously Yao is gonna be replaced.  I am actually fine with the rest of the starters though.  Some people argue against Carmelo Anthony, but it's not like dude is playing shitty ball.  Remember, the fans choose who they want to see, so at leas they didn't go for like Vince Carter or something.  Nonetheless, Kevin Love should be starting this game.  But I'll have a lot more to say on him in a minute.  You could even swap Chris Paul with Deron Williams and I would be ok with it.  Both have been stellar.  Oooooh, that's a good word. Kobe and Durant are pretty damn top of their class too.  If I had my way, starting center would be Pau Gasol too.  He's a PF, like Amar'e but he's been playing Center for much of the season in LA (like Amar'e). 

WEST Reserves

G- Deron Williams| 21.9ppg, 9.4ast, 3.7reb, 1.20 stl, .467 fg%, .366 3pt%, .855ft%

F- Dirk Nowitzki| 23.2ppg, 2.5ast, 6.9reb, .525fg%, .412 3pt%, .877ft%  

G- Manu Ginobili| 18.7ppg, 4.9ast, 3.9reb, 1.78stl, .431fg%, .365 3pt%, .875ft%

F- Pau Gasol| 18.4ppg, 10.5reb, 3.6ast, .1.88blk, .519fg%, .820ft%

G- Russell Westbrook| 22.4ppg, 8.5ast, 5.1reb,  1.90stl, .434fg% , .851ft%

F- Blake Griffin| 23.0ppg, 12.7reb, 3.6ast, .518fg%

C- Tim Duncan| 13.5ppg, 9.3reb, 3.0ast, 1.96blk, .481fg%,

 

 

Thoughts: Oh shit.  Here we go.  Let's say something about this first though.  The West is loaded with deserving PFs and PGs.  It's inevitable that some serious contenders would get snubbed since you can only pick 7 guys for the bench and even those have to be evenly distributed amongst guards and forwards and such.  Yet another reason for expanding rosters a bit because coaches don't even want their guys playing heavy minutes in the game. Let's start with the good choices though.  I don't think many will argue against Deron Williams or Manu Ginobili here.  if they do, they shouldn't.  Both guys are playing excellent ball and absolutely are all-stars.  Westbrook is on that same level too.  Durant gets the press, but Westbrook is just as dangerous and maybe even a bigger key to OK City's success.  Is he more worthy than say... Steve Nash?  This year, yes.  Nash has all-star numbers, but this is about who has better All-Star numbers. 

Ok, moving on.  The forwards are all-star worthy, but I don't think they are the guys who are having the best years.  I believe the All-Star game IS individual too.  People talk about Ray Felton shooting his way out of an All-star berth, but Dirk hasn't been very Dirk-like in January either.  His scoring dropped a couple points (down to 19.6 from 26 in December), as did his rebounding and FG%, FT% and 3PT%.  Enough to drop him from the All-Stars?  Apparently not, but if experts are gonna hold Ray Felton accountable for his down month, let's be consistent, especially in a conference overloaded with talent.  Kevin Love, Zach Randolph and LaMarcus Aldridge are all having career years. They deserve to be recognized more than Dirk who's numbers are slightly down from past years.  Kevin Love is straight killing it.  He should have been a no-brainer.

I suggest Pau to start for Yao and he deserves an All-Star spot.  Blake Griffin has been too good to ignore as well.  rookie, Gallo-Rookie, whatever, dude has been one of the best in the game so far.  But what the fuck is up with Tim Duncan?!  Don't get me wrong, I love the guy (professionally of course), but in this stacked conference there are far more deserving players and it shouldn't matter that Duncan or Dirk have been all-stars like 15 times each.  They passed on guys averaging 21/15, 20/13, 21/9 and that's just the other forwards.  Shit, Look at Monta Ellis and Kevin Martin and Tony Parker!  Are you kidding me?!  This is a BENCH spot too!  Get creative!!

With that, here are some highly snubtastic names to observe.

Kevin Love|21.4ppg, 15.5reb, 2.5ast, .472fg%, .439 3pt%, .870ft%

Tony Parker|17.3ppg, 3.2reb, 6.7ast, 1.33stl, .520fg%,

Luis Scola|19.3ppg, 8.5reb, 2.4ast, .503fg%

LaMarcus Aldridge|21.3ppg, 9.0reb, 1.12stl, 1,20blk, .487fg%

Tyson Chandler|10.2ppg, 9.3reb, 1.18blk, .662fg%

Steve Nash|16.8ppg, 11.1ast , .526fg%, .408 3pt%, .916ft%

Monta Ellis|25.1ppg, 3.4reb, 5.6ast, 2.23stl, .458fg%, .362 3pt%

Kevin Martin|23.1ppg, 2.3ast, 3.0reb, .444fg%, .405 3pt%, .883ft%

David West|18.9ppg, 7.4reb, 2.3 ast, .94stl, .94blk, .509fg%

Zach Randolph|20.0ppg, 13.2reb, .486fg%

Lamar Odom|15.5ppg, 9.5reb, 2.9ast, .564fg%, .383 3pt%

Tyreke Evans|17.8 ppg, 4.8reb, 5.5ast, 1.83ast

Mike Conley|13.4ppg, 6.8ast, 3.2reb, 1.66stl, .453fg%, .357 3pt%

Paul Millsap|16.9ppg, 7.8reb, 2.2ast, 1.43stl, .86blk, .528fg%

Michael Beasley|20.3ppg, 5.8reb, 2.1ast, .469fg%, .394 3pt%

There is just zero reason that Kevin Love should be excluded from the All-Star game.  Aldridge and Ellis too.  And Randolph.  Shit, I could make an excellent case for Tyreke Evans and Kevin Martin too!  People knock Monta Ellis for being a gunner, but dude is shooting better than most NBA guards and scoring in bunches!  What does he have to do to get some recognition?  He is also dishing assists like hes a PG (5.6 is solid).  And I don't know how a 20-10 season doesn't get you on the team.  Maybe his rep is still holding him back, but Zach Randolph is cleaning the glass in a major way. And Kevin Love?  Well, can I point out that while grabbing nearly 16boards a game (and 31 when playing the Knicks) AND shooting 3s at a 45% clip means that dude isn't just camping out under the rim.  He is doing an insane amount of work.  Nice job Kurt Rambis for keeping this kid on the bench and giving him only 25 minutes a game for the 1st month and a half.  No wonder your team is shit.  Hey Marcus Beasley is playing the way you'd expect from #2 pick too!  He deserves a spot, but I can't think of anyone to bump to bring him aboard.  But hey, at least there isn't 4 guys from one team here like in the East.

The Western All-Stars aren't bad.  Its extremely weak that they went with Dirk and Duncan instead of a number of worthy candidates.  I don't know who replaces Yao Ming, but I did hear a rumor that Steve Nash would be added.  My guess is Duncan or Gasol get elevated to start.  I think Deron Williams will not play either so maybe Monta Ellis gets added, or Kevin Love (if Nash replaces Yao).  What do you intelligently designed people think??

**UPDATE** David Stern has named Kevin Love as Yao Ming's replacement.  Greg Popovich will determine who starts in Yao's place (umm... I'll be shocked if it isn't Tim Duncan).  So bump up LaMarcus Aldridge as the biggest All-Star snub.  Que complaining.

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Aldridge has been on a tear lately and is keeping that team afloat

Love is padding his stats on a horrible team against players probably going at 75%. Aldridge definitely got snubbed.

"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas

by The Rooster on Feb 4, 2011 5:12 PM EST reply actions  

rebounding is rebounding.

his points might be inflated, the rebounds are not..that’s all him. I doubt any team goes 75% against them, as we have seen this year the Wolves can bite you if you aren’t trying to win.

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by Rorschach44 on Feb 4, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course teams go 75% against them

everyone can’t mentally commit themselves on the same level when their opponent sucks.

Rebounds can totally be inflated, depending on a number of factors.

"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas

by The Rooster on Feb 4, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Rebounds can be inflated

But what he’s doing is legit. The Timberwolves are not as bad as their record reflects. They’re as good as any team in the league…. for 36 minutes of a game. He deserved to make it, he’s clearly worked hard on his game.

And yeah, LMA was a snub, but there just simply isn’t room for him. He’s been beast though

by WSD on Feb 5, 2011 1:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd take Aldridge over Love and Griffin

but the latter players are more marketable outside their home cities, which is what matters at the end of the day. It’s the ASG, after all.

"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas

by The Rooster on Feb 5, 2011 1:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Also, Aldridge has worked hard on his game as well

and has shown an improvement as significant or greater than Love’s – while playing for a much better team (and making more clutch plays on both sides of the ball). so not sure why that’s seemingly an argument in favor of Love

"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas

by The Rooster on Feb 5, 2011 1:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm in favor of Aldridge man

No arguments here, I wish he made it. But Love’s jump in numbers has been astronomical. He works his tail off and in my opinion, easily takes MIP. Only argument you can make against Aldridge is that they’re missing Brandon Roy, who when healthy is incredibly good, and LMA’s All-Star push has come with Roy out

by WSD on Feb 5, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Isn't that an argument for Aldridge?

He’s done this while being the #1 option and facing double teams at times, which never happened with Roy in the lineup.

and once again, I’m sure Aldridge works his tail off as well. that’s not an argument in favor of Love

"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas

by The Rooster on Feb 5, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I see what you mean

To me it seemed like you’re excluding Kevin Love who definitely deserves to be in it, and now is rightfully so.

With Aldridge I was just saying he never did this with Roy in the lineup, but I could see how that works in his favor. Either way, I wish he made it

by WSD on Feb 5, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm just saying I'd put Aldridge ahead of Love and Griffin

all three players are deserving, but Aldridge succumbed to being the least marketable of the three, despite being the best and most important of the three.

"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas

by The Rooster on Feb 5, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Love doesn't defend and Griffin disappears in fourth quarters

It’s no coincidence that Aldridge is the only one of the three on a winning team, despite all three teams having a similar amount of talent on hand

"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas

by The Rooster on Feb 5, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Not 15 rebounds a game.

Maybe you get 12 a game like Blake Griffen, but 15 a game is not something that you inflate to.

If it was then more players on shitty teams would do it.

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by Rorschach44 on Feb 5, 2011 7:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Plus grabbing all those rebounds

Would mean teams are missing shots. It’s not like you can say Minny just has shitty defense, they’re making teams miss, and Love is cleaning up

by WSD on Feb 5, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

You also don't inflate to .442 3pt% along with those rebounds

And dude doesn’t just occasionally shoot a 3.

My thing is… why is th conversation Kevin Love VS Lamarcus Aldridge??? They BOTH should be all-stars. Love is on the team now, but it should be Aldridge instead of Duncan. I can never hate on Duncan, but there is just no way he gets chosen this year if Popovich isn’t coaching the team. And I HATE making that statement because I have all the respect in the world for Pops. But this year, the West has far too many worthy candidates than choosing a guy going for 13/9. His minutes are limited, yes, but there are still more deserving candidates.

"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire

by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 5, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Very true

And I really like this year’s Spurs team and I have a lot of respect for Duncan and Pops too. But his role is really in presence and leadership more than stats. He can still ball with the best of the big men in the league, but the thing is…he’s not this year.

Love and LMA are both doing that and putting up ridiculous numbers. If their teams were without them, the Wolves probably would have won 1 game and the Blazers would be well below .500

by WSD on Feb 5, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

lol bite

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by tanman5 on Feb 7, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Duncan shouldn't have been an All-Star

Dirk is playing great and was a top 5 MVP candidate til his injury. He is still averaging 23 ppg and has FG% like a pure center would have.
Duncan got in because the coaches could not let the 40 win Spurs only have one All-Star. Love should’ve taken that spot and Nash or Aldridge should’ve been the injury replacement for Yao.

Now, we have Love, Aldridge, and Nash all competing for Yao’s spot, along with a host of other good, but less worthy players. I personally think Love should be the replacement for Yao, he is putting up insane Moses Malone style numbers. He would’ve been a lock if the Wolves had managed to get at least 20 wins so far.
Aldridge has been good, but he started out very slowly in the beginning of the season, and didn’t step up til Brandon Roy got injured.

by Mikel L on Feb 4, 2011 6:44 PM EST reply actions  

But credit Aldridge for keeping the Blazers in the playoff picture minus Roy and Camby

They did start slowly but he has been much better than good since Roy went down. Seems a silly thing to hold a guy back back he started slowly instead of how he has been playing for a couple months now.

The think with the West is they have a ton of guys putting up all-star worthy numbers, so its about whos MORE worthy. It bums me out that Duncan and Dirk get the nods over Aldridge and Love and even Randolph really.
It feels to me like the coaches conversation was “Uuhh… who should we pick? Idunno, there is a lot to choose from. Ehh, fuck it, just grab Duncan and Dirk. They’ve been here every year and they are playing good enough to continue the streak.”

I’m more ok with Nash not getting a nod because as good as he has played, his numbers are kinda down too. But Tyreke Evans (who also started slow due to injury) is putting up 18, 5, 5… thats terrific all-around skills!

I think Love is the biggest snub though. The guy is a one man wrecking crew and double doubling for 30+ games shows some damn good consistency even against top teams. Shit, he’s grabbed a double double in a single half a bunch of times too! And shooting 3s at such a high ? And FTs approaching 90? If that’s not all-star caliber i don’t know what is.

"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire

by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 4, 2011 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah Love's numbers aren't a fluke

What he’s doing is pretty amazing, even if the T-Wolves don’t have the numbers to show for it.

by WSD on Feb 5, 2011 1:34 AM EST up reply actions  

The West is easy...

Aldridge for Duncan- Sure hes’s a defensive presence. But I’m not so sure that if the Spurs had someone like Joel Anthony at C, they wouldn’t be winning a ton of games. That have a really good team and a really great coach.

Love for Gasol- Gasol is the Bosh of his conference. Better only cuz he’s 7"1 and a lanky bastard. If Gasol had Love’s hustle, he’d be dominating like a young Kareem. Love’s 15 boards are enough to be an all-star. The 21/game on 47% shooting should’ve made it a lock.

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by Rorschach44 on Feb 4, 2011 6:47 PM EST reply actions  

Right, and since when is the All-Star game even remotely concerned with defense? lol

Gasol is fine on the team for me. Give him the start for Yao and then swap Aldridge for Duncan and Love for Yao. I could live with that just fine.

"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire

by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 4, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

NO

Really Rorschach? Come on you know better than that. Bosh = Gasol?
1. 2-0=2. The biggest difference is the number of rings they own.
2. Gasol is a better rebounder, interior passer, and defender than Bosh. Should he be penalized for being 7’1" physical freak?

Personally I think he gets a reputation for being soft strictly as a result of being tall and European. Love might have more hustle, but Pao went 7 games with Boston’s front line last year and came out victorious. He is NO Chris Bosh, and this is coming from someone who absolutely cannot stand the lakers.

GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!

by tanman5 on Feb 7, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions  

they both piss sitting down

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Feb 8, 2011 6:43 AM EST up reply actions  

no love? what a joke.

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

LET'S GO RANGERS!!!

by Moshe52792 on Feb 4, 2011 6:58 PM EST reply actions  

Well he's in now

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by Rorschach44 on Feb 4, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Considering kevin Love is in there now

i gotta say Aldridge is the biggest snub. Definitely should be in there over that panzy Gasol

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Feb 4, 2011 7:35 PM EST reply actions  

Monta Ellis got robbed

Also… uh, Marcus Beasley?

Made glorious summer by this son of [New] York.

by Anthony Randolph's Winter of Discontent on Feb 4, 2011 10:45 PM EST reply actions  

Baaahahahahahahaha

Definitely fixed. Shit, he’s not gonna be in the All-Star game so fuck ’em :-). Oops.

"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire

by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 5, 2011 1:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Monta has indeed been fabulous

but who do you take off the current team? Williams has been great despite offseason upheaval, Westbrook has been the best PG in the league, Manu is at his best since 2007.

"I feel like this: You can't hate me." -Toney Douglas

by The Rooster on Feb 5, 2011 1:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd say two guys being overlooked

Are Kevin Martin and Eric Gordon. Both guys are just pure scorers, but goddamn they can score. Martin is kinda like Jamal Crawford or J.R. Smith when they’re hot… he can hit from anywhere. And Gordon doesn’t get the recognition he deserves because Griffin is an animal. But Gordon has played so well, even though he’s injured now

by WSD on Feb 5, 2011 1:37 AM EST reply actions  

K.Love In!

OK Stern voted K.Love in for Yao.
As a east coast basketball guy I am sick with this west team.
The West is loaded.

Theire is only one mistake on the West Coast team.
L.Odom should have been given the spot over his teamate P.Gasol.

I also believe D.Williams over C.Paul in the starting lineup.
What a problem to have wondering about poor D.Williams starting.

The West should kick ass ove rthe east sadly to say.

by Dziedzic on Feb 5, 2011 12:35 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed about D-Will

And actually I can’t believe I’m saying “agreed” to a post from Dizzy!

But I don’t know about the matchup. I think the Eastern starters are better than the West, but the West has more depth

by WSD on Feb 5, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree

Please don’t agree with me. It only will make you sound better.

Do me a favor. Root for the trade of Gallinari and the replacement of the whole D’Antoni staff.
Then I will know that you are concern with our Knicks winning Championships instead one game above five hundred.

by Dziedzic on Feb 5, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Sigh

GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!

by tanman5 on Feb 7, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Separate topic

Anyone think perhaps the NFL should adopt a similar method of choosing players for the Pro Bowl?
Granted he wouldn’t have played in it anyway, but it is an absolute crime that Aaron Rodgers was passed over for Drew Brees and Matt Ryan.

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by tanman5 on Feb 7, 2011 11:11 PM EST reply actions  

I'd like the NBA to do an All-Star Draft like the NHL just did.

That shit was awesome in so many ways and I’m not even a hawckey fan!

"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire

by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 7, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

The NHL had 2 All-Stars as captains

and the NHL chose the All-Stars, but a day before the game, the Captains picked from the All-Star pot who would be on whose team.

They made a whole production on it. Had to be sure the positions were filled, but you could take anyone… from either conference. It added a great element of fun to the game too. One of the Captains was from Carolina Hurricanes (Raleigh was hosting) and had a chance to choose either his brother or his teammate. Stuff like that.

This was the 1st year they did it and it seemed like a success all-around.

"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire

by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 8, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah sounds like a fun idea

But I personally would still like to keep it East vs West

by WSD on Feb 8, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

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